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Hidden & Dangerous 2 Review

PC Review by Kristan Reed

23 October, 2003

Despite being one of the buggiest games in history, the original Hidden & Dangerous had so much going for it that, somehow, Illusion Softworks got away with it.

In broad terms, the sequel retreads the original ambition to capture tension and fear of World War II and the deep tactics required to deal with a determined enemy. Once again you're in control of a four man SAS squad, sent all over the world to gather crucial intelligence, disrupt communications and generally choke the enemy war effort using a gratifying mixture of stealth and ugly brute force to do your bidding. And it's not just the Nazis you're fighting this time, either, with a four-year, 20-mission campaign taking in extremely diverse terrain and climate.

Bullet in the head

'Hidden & Dangerous 2' Screenshot 1

Kicking off in the icy Arctic conditions of Norway in early 1941, the game delights in throwing up one extreme after the other, taking in the arid desert waste of North Africa, the humid dense jungle of Burma, the Alpine lushness of Austria, before moving onto with the rubble strewn villages of Northern France and concluding in Czechoslovakia. At times the sights are so spectacularly beautiful, you often forget you're in the middle of a bitter war, strolling around like a gormless tourist admiring the architecture and the sunset before - thwock - another bullet lodges itself in your cranium.

But before you can join the war effort you have a number of modes available; the standard four-man Campaign mode, a Lone Wolf version which forces you to go it alone, and a more challenging Carnage mode that tasks you with killing everyone on every mission, while the Single Mission and accompanying Carnage alternative simply allow any of the completed missions to be played all over again, maybe to try out different tactics.

Once you've chosen your preferred gaming style, it's then a case of which solider or soldiers you fancy to do the job. A pool of 40 is available to you, and it's up to you to decide which of their skills attributes are most appealing. Each soldier is entirely different to the next, being a vast variety of ranks and abilities, so it's wise to pay close attention. On the attribute side, Health, Strength and Endurance give you a fair idea of the amount of punishment they can take, how much kit they can haul around and how fast and how far they can move before they get knackered - which also has a bearing on shot accuracy.

Stealthy, healthy and wise

'Hidden & Dangerous 2' Screenshot 2

Four skill sets are also listed, detailing their abilities in Shooting, Stealth, First Aid and Lock Picking, and the first comes in particularly useful in a game that has you doing rather a lot of killing. Stealth is less important, but any attempt to sneak up on enemies to kill silently certainly depends on this, while the latter two are of lesser importance, although being able to quickly get into a locked door, or perform a more efficient heal are certainly useful attributes to have.

Fortunately, if you can't be arsed with poring over the stats, the game provides the ability to automatically select your squad and subsequently kit them out. Experienced players might prefer to take certain weapons and items with them, but Illusion knows this won't be for everyone and has wisely automated a lot of the potentially more tedious elements of putting a squad together. All told, it does a decent job of providing the tools for the job anyway, so you'll never be ill-equipped.

The mission briefings are largely in keeping with the rather stylish original, complete with a sweeping war map, arrows, highlighted buildings, BBC-English voiceovers confirming what you're supposed to do, and complemented with some reasonably adept FMV to set the scene. In terms of presenting your mission objectives, it's hard to think of a game that does it better, managing to simultaneously remain authentic (with sketchy aerial maps and paraphernalia), informative without being patronising, and ultimately giving you a sense of purpose rather than making you feel like it's another videogame level where you have to shoot stuff.

Panic on the streets of Normandy

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From there it's pretty much a blank canvass for you to tackle the objectives how you see fit, and it's this relative sense of freedom that's simultaneously the genius of Hidden & Dangerous II and the most intimidating aspect. Time after time there's this almost palpable sense of panic. You know the enemy's out there, but you're never quite sure where (until you've played through the same mission a few times of course). Often they're just going about their business, patrolling a perimeter fence or just standing guard, manning a sentry post. And when there are so many variables to deal with it's not a game you can just mechanically pick your way through, seeing the enemies spawn in precisely the same place every time you play.

In H&D 2 there's a sense that you've got to have your wits about you 100 per cent of the time. You can't just assume you've cleared a section and can safely charge about making loads of noise. Time after time you'll find a straggler lurking, ready to fire hot lead into you before you've even had time to blink. Maybe he was disturbed by all the racket you were making during your approach and decided to stealthily investigate. Although it's fair to say the AI suffers from plenty of quirks and inconsistencies, this is a world away from the run and gun cannon fodder grunts that storm into the fray like so many shooters. To kill in H&D 2 is never less than an achievement in itself, because you'll rarely be allowed the time to get close enough to them to make it conclusive. It's a game of duck and dive against overwhelming odds, never allowing you to get too cocky, and always reminding you how fragile life really is.

On your side is some useful and sharp buddy AI. Your men always alert you to any incoming danger, which appears as a red blob on the appropriate point on your compass, allowing you to focus your attentions on that precise spot. Better still, they're pretty good at taking the aggressors down too, meaning you don't have to do it all on your own. The game also features an ingenious direction indicator on the compass for incoming enemies via a small cone of sound, red for bullets, grey for footsteps. So even when you can't actually see your foe, you can get a good idea of where they are camped out, allowing you to maybe seek cover, lob a grenade or take an alternative route. In practice it's incredibly useful, providing the kind of instant feedback that most games have never bothered to provide, and forces you to think about your situation on a completely different level.

Your flexible friend

'Hidden & Dangerous 2' Screenshot 4

How you decide to actually control, order and manipulate your squad is entirely down to you, in one of the most flexible pieces of game design we've come across. On a basic level, H&D 2 works as a third-person action/strategy shooter, an FPS, a real-time strategy game, and even a turn-based strategy game where you can pause and plot your moves ahead, or a mixture of all four if you fancy. We admittedly preferred to play it straight through in a mixture of third and first-person with a minimum of strategic planning (as that's how we wanted to play it), but for those with a penchant for the strategic side of things, the ability to pan out to an isometric viewpoint, plot waypoints, queue up commands and watch the action unfold with literal military precision is immensely satisfying.

I've sat for ages watching other people play the game this way, and it's an impressive sight to see a game you've previously experienced as an action game turned on its head and played another. Personally, the interface could have been made a little more intuitive, and I was scared off more than anything (and happy to play the game my way). While it's a massive improvement on the utterly confusing and broken original (keeping the action on the screen at all times for one thing), it arguably needs to be as simple to control as an RTS before people will consider removing their third-person action head. Sometimes you can have too much control, and H&D 2 presents such a bewildering array of commands it might intimidate those with more action leanings.

To illustrate the point, the command trees (accessible via the num pad) allow you to order movement, attack, action, silent movement, silent attack, silent action, formation, tactical mode, and call support. Most of these categories also house a further half a dozen sub commands, creating rather a comprehensive set of potential permutations that allow you to direct the action exactly how you want to. As complicated as this initially seems, it's a fairly simple system that becomes second nature once you learn the basics. In the main you can carry out most, if not all these actions within the main action-based strand of the game, albeit individually, but it comes in most useful within the strategic view when you're requiring a very specific command.

Quick save to victory

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In our experience, the game doesn't suffer a jot by merely ordering your squad to follow you around and fire at will. The more gung-ho approach might result in you taking more enemy hits, but it certainly allows you to make quicker progress, largely thanks to the fact that they follow your actions. For example, if you crouch, they crouch; if you run, they follow - there's no need to tediously alter the commands each and every time. For those who don't fancy plotting the game like a game of chess, there's also a limited save function which effectively allows you to 'cheat' to a certain extent, but the fact there's only one slot can often mean you're forced to restart when it all goes utterly pear-shaped (which is quite often, if truth be known).

In the four years since the original emerged, other titles have come along to build on the legacy, adding vehicles and greater variety, and H&D 2 obliges with a few extras, such as covert underwater missions, aerial dog fighting, an escape-in-the-jeep level, as well as the ability to jump in enemy vehicles, and it all contributes to keeping things varied. Some levels insist you don't raise the alarm; others have you stealing surrendered enemy uniforms off their back and working undercover (trying to stay out of their line of sight lest your disguise is rumbled). Others are all out guns-blazing warfare, and sometimes all of this is mixed up in the same level. Madness. You're never quite sure what's coming next, and this certainly helped by the regular changes of scene and enemy type as the campaign unfolds.

Take in the view

'Hidden & Dangerous 2' Screenshot 6

As a spectacle, H&D 2 is regularly breathtaking. The initial campaigns in Norway and North Africa - great as they are - can't prepare you for the immense impressiveness of Burma, Austria and Normandy. The jungle scenes and the bunkers in Burma are among the best designed videogame environments we've ever clapped eyes on, with a degree of texturing, lifelike foliage and artistry that really bring the game to life and make me want to play them all over again just writing about them. Later, in the castle in Austria and the lighthouse level of Normandy, you'll be spellbound just taking it all in. It took four years to make, and with impressive architecture such as this you can see why. As an engine the LS3D tech still lacks in some areas, however, having a rudimentary level of destructibility and fairly basic physics. The character modelling is pretty decent though, with each and every soldier sporting unique features and that creates a personality so lacking in many, if not most other games. At times H&D 2's atmosphere is so engrossing and immersive you're utterly captivated. For me, this is what role playing should be about, not spells and dungeons.

This rich environment is marvellously complemented by some of the most well considered audio ever used in a game. The music was always one of the highlights of the original, with its sinister theme tune, and the sequel follows in this stark tradition, with a score that sweeps over the action dynamically in as good an advert for the capabilities of Direct Music as we've come across. The ebb and flow of the action is always matched by the orchestra that plays along diligently behind you. For most of the game you'll probably not even acknowledge the subliminal changes of tone and tempo, but take a step back, listen, and you can't help but marvel at how it's all so intelligently constructed. On a similar level, the rattle of gunfire, the panicked shouts of enemy soldiers and the shriek of death would make it harrowing if it were any more real. Is there a helpline for shell-shocked gamers on the box? There should be.

Of course, there are problems, just as there were issues with the original. Although we never came across any really show-stopping bugs, the were incidents that brought us tumbling back to reality, and it's mainly to do with AI and path finding once again - those old bugs bears. The improvements on H&D are legion, but in 2003 we really weren't expecting to have to deal with 'the corridor incident' all over again. Yep, walking into a dead end or a small room and attempting to exit is hampered by a gaggle of squaddies running into you, or walls, as they make a ludicrous attempt to get out of your way. If the room's big enough or the corridor's wide enough it's never an issue, but some levels have simply not been designed to cope with the AI system, simple as that.

Illusion loves bugs

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As good as the AI is, most of the time, some really quite bizarre incidents occurred that should have been spotted and ironed out long before its release. For example, on a few, admittedly rare occasions, my previously alert squad just stood blankly while an enemy walked down a corridor - in full view - and killed two of them. Reload. On one memorable night time mission, a series of tanks arrived in among a convoy and rather than engaging us and shelling our fortress, just meekly came to an arbitrary resting point until I eventually found some M1 rocket launchers with which to take them out.

On another occasion, an alarm was sounded literally the very second I performed a silent kill, despite no one being around who could have possibly heard the swift and deadly strike. On the flip side, sometimes the alertness of guards is utterly questionable; on regular occasions, the whole scene is a charnel house, and yet there's Hanz still vigilantly patrolling his little corridor, just yards away from the scene of twenty minutes of carnage and gunfire. Late on in the game we even encountered an ugly case of entire walls disappearing (although it was admittedly only in one small part of one map in the entire game). And so on. They're not massive issues that ruin the game, but these untidy inconsistent loose ends conspire to chip away at your respect for the game, whatever the justification. Sometimes it's hard to believe no one spotted such gaffs, especially as they're largely repeatable bugs.

Endurance test

'Hidden & Dangerous 2' Screenshot 8

Multiplayer was more or less impossible to appreciate for this review, and we may come back to this in a separate addition or article. We've played some basic LAN Deathmatch and Domination in the run up to its release, but the servers had three people in the world playing on them at the time of review (not surprisingly as the game isn't out yet). But the Gamespy software has been integrated into the front end (as with Halo recently) and it's a breeze to join or set up your own game for up to 32 players across any of the 20 maps. A point worth noting is the game forces you to play in first-person mode, unless you specify 'allow third person' when you create a game.

It's not a point we've mentioned in the review so far, but the addition of an Endurance bar could have interesting implications for multiplayer. Essentially it's your ability to sprint or jump, so if your player runs out of puff not only will you run slower, but you can't jump over or onto obstacles either, lending a degree of strategy to your player choices and movements.

The multiplayer set up gives you the option of various predetermined weapon types, such as Sniper, Assault, Heavy Assault, but you can only carry one main gun (and a pistol in your pouch). You can, of course, pick up enemy weapons and carry one on your shoulder after that, but the limited weaponry should make for an interesting set of battles, and with some superbly designed maps we can foresee this being a very popular element of the game. At present there's no co-operative mode, but we're assured this is coming as part of the already confirmed mission pack.

Still Dangerous

All-round, despite some mildly annoying oversights and irritations (which we dare say will be patched within weeks), H&D 2 is a true sequel, a worthy advancement of the covert sneak fest and never less than captivating. It takes all that was good about the original, improves every element, successfully adds new features and delivers a well-rounded game that will demand more from you than perhaps any other title you'll play this year. If you're looking for the definitive World War II experience, then you won't come away disappointed - it's often unbearably hard and will have you cursing long and hard into the night, but then they did say that war is hell.

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Nemesis
23/10/03 @ 13:03
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I'm just so.......weak.

/buys another game.
Lutz [mod]
23/10/03 @ 13:08
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Bad Nem.
FWB
23/10/03 @ 13:13
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Ok, so let's be honest here, what are the real min requirements?
Nemesis
23/10/03 @ 13:16
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I know Lutzie :-(

I've got a real soft spot for WW2 stuff. Still playing multiplayer MOHAA.

UncleLou
23/10/03 @ 13:23
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FWB won't know if he should be pleased or not. :-)

Krudster, please tell me there's something wrong with the screenshots, they just look terrible. :-/

And aren't there severe problems with the team AI? I've read that (in the tactical mode) they shoot when they're supposed to sneak, try to kill enemies through walls, get stuck constantly etc.
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Tyronne
23/10/03 @ 13:24
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Why oh why do all publishers release so much good stuff at exactly the same time....just how much money do they think we have ?
itamae
23/10/03 @ 13:31
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/grits teeth

Must... resist... urge... to buy another game so soon. Oh, wait a second. No coop? Patches likely to follow sometime in the future? Great, I'll wait for the mission pack then.
Lutz [mod]
23/10/03 @ 13:31
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I really don't see the big deal about WW2 stuff. It's just about the only genre I've never liked in anyway shape or form...
Maybe I'm odd.

/hides Nems wallet.

No more spending for you Mr.
krudster [mod]
23/10/03 @ 13:53
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You're actively encouraged to shoot/grenade through walls according to the manual.


Quote: "Bullets can penetrate weak material...you can shoot through tent canvas, wooden walls, wooden doors, glass and other similar building materials"

And enemies - for example hiding in a tent - won't hesitate to do the same.

The AI is problematic as discussed, but as for tactical mode problems, I can't really comment because that wasn't the mode for me.
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Machiavel
23/10/03 @ 13:55
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Loved the first one. Hope this comes out on a console (as I'm not updating my PC just yet, Shivoa suggestions or no)
FWB
23/10/03 @ 13:58
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Proper min requirements. Anyone know? This sounds right up my street. WW2. Tactical shooter. BBC voice overs.
UncleLou
23/10/03 @ 14:10
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Have you read the whole thread the guy in the trailer thread linked to? Cause further down someone said The graphics are not incredible, but it runs very nicely on my system (better than Mafia) and I have to give special mention to the animation - pure quality..

He doesn't say what system he has though, but iirc Mafia ran fine, didn't it? Come on, buy it already, you know you'll do it anyhow. ;-)
krudster [mod]
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"Recommended" (from manual)
P4/Athlon 2GHz
512MB RAM
2.4GB
128mb DX8 graphics

Which is more or less what I've got, and it runs just Jim Dandy. Very very minor slowdown at times, but nothing like the original.
krudster [mod]
23/10/03 @ 14:13
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Some of the graphics aren't that special; for example, the way the grass pops up as you approach looks a bit duff in the Austria level, and some of the texturing is naff, but then you'll come across the complete opposite of that. As I said, later on, beyond the first two campaigns things get really really impressive. Shame they don't wow you right at the start, because I fear some people will get the wrong impression.
FWB
23/10/03 @ 14:18
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He doesn't say what system he has though, but iirc Mafia ran fine, didn't it?

Indeed it did.

Come on, buy it already, you know you'll do it anyhow. ;-)

You're evil, pure evil, but oh-so-right. I guess if it runs like a slug I'll just wait till I buy a new machine in Jan/Feb.
commander dixon
23/10/03 @ 14:22
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sounds very nice
but ... anybody can explain me the difference (and maybe the pro/contra) between this one and call of duty ?
i played te demo of COD and liked it too ...
thanks
FWB
23/10/03 @ 14:30
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anybody can explain me the difference (and maybe the pro/contra) between this one and call of duty ?

BBC voice overs.
striker
23/10/03 @ 14:48
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moanem reforem dalasem tirusem
striker
23/10/03 @ 14:49
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molasen!!! LOL!!!

And faresil!!! OMG!!!
krudster [mod]
23/10/03 @ 15:01
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Call of Duty is a bog standard WW2 FPS...anyone trying to play this like an FPS will get a very rude awakening.
krudster [mod]
23/10/03 @ 15:19
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Sorry, i didn't mean bog standard as in shit, just as in 'not deviating from the norm'. It will rule, but they're two totally different games.
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commander dixon
23/10/03 @ 17:04
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ok i 'll get both
my wife will hate me :(
Dirtbox
24/10/03 @ 10:58
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This is a corking game, I've been looking forward to it for a long while, was a big fan of the first one too.
WriterUK
24/10/03 @ 12:46
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Top review. This is one that hasn't even been on my 'watch out for' radar, but now it is... in a big way. Thanks Kristan
BravoGolf
24/10/03 @ 13:34
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I have a laptop, so i shall not be able to upgrade it...

/smiles lovingly at laptop

*ahem*, anyway, the specs are as follows:
2.0GHz Pent Processor
256RAM
64MB dedicated GeForce4
DirectX9 blah blah blah.

In your educated opinion, would H&D2 run on my Dell, been waiting for this game for a long time :)
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BoyWonda
24/10/03 @ 13:44
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Isn't co-op coming later in the form of a patch/add-on? I'm sure I heard that...
krudster [mod]
24/10/03 @ 14:32
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Mission pack dear boy, mission pack!

And as for that laptop, I would've *thought* so, but adding more memory will help, which I'm sure you can upgrade.
krudster [mod]
24/10/03 @ 14:41
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Maybe they're just actually good games, rather than us getting all over excited. We are pretty hard to please y'know.
krudster [mod]
24/10/03 @ 16:49
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Woah, who let the tards in?
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24/10/03 @ 18:20
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/closes door and locks it

Sorry they were standing outside and looked so cold and lonely.

Damn this game is harder than I remember, maybe my l33t skills have faded while I've been arseing around on consoles.

commander dixon
25/10/03 @ 01:55
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maybe the door wasn't well locked ...
krudster [mod]
25/10/03 @ 13:19
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The textures are a disgrace? Hmm, think you're playing a different game, chum. Wait til you get to Burma or Austria and tell me it's a disgrace.
Tyronne
26/10/03 @ 15:10
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Well after having my eye on this for some time and reading the reviews I decided to get H&D2 today...brought it home along with max payne 2 and went to install it....enter cd key it said...sure...look at the back of the manual and what do I see.....bugger all....blank...not a sausage....so now i have 30 odd quids worth of sod all that I cannot do anything with until I go AGAIN back into town tomorrow....is it really asking that much to have some decent quality control with these releases after all they are not cheap...what kinda muppets do they have packaging these games ?
Sleepy Magpie
27/10/03 @ 01:30
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Much discussion on the graphics here I see.

Now I cannot speak for those who's rigs are kitted out with ATI Radeons, I still run a GeForce 4 Ti4600 on mine, but the graphics are excellent IMO.

Yes, there are flashier titles. If you want off the wall colors and weird textures, Unreal will most certainly fit your bill better. But this is a 2nd world wartime stealth simulation, and the Czech development team wants it real. War is pretty grim, and blasted and wartorn villages are grey indeed. But, moving to a tropic scenario brings in much more color, as is witnessed in the Burma campaign for example.

I live on the west coast of Norway, but for many years I lived further north, near the polar circle, and I can attest to the verity of the colors in the Norwegian campaign. Very real.

The true brilliance of this game however, is that the gorgeous graphics (IMO) are fuelled by decent programming, that allows the game to run well on decent, normally spec'ed PC's.

To those who are complaining about the graphics I wish to end by recommending they look over the games' setup program once more, and also checking out their graphics' board setup.

I run H&D2 in 1280X960 rez, 2XFSAA, 8X Anisotropic filtering, Intellisample set to performance. In the game setup program I have maxed all the settings.

My rig is a finely honed P4 2Ghz, 1Gb RAM, GF4 Ti4600, running XP Professional edition. Spyware and stupid unnecessary services have been taken out and shot at dawn.

Good luck lads,

Sleepy :)
UncleLou
27/10/03 @ 01:52
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Yes, there are flashier titles. If you want off the wall colors and weird textures, Unreal will most certainly fit your bill better. But this is a 2nd world wartime stealth simulation, and the Czech development team wants it real. War is pretty grim, and blasted and wartorn villages are grey indeed.

You don't seem to know the difference between "grim and grey" and "blurry and washed out ". And no thank you, I hated Unreal 2, and there's certainly nothing wrong with my settings. Though I dare say it's the art design rather than the engine itself, seeing that Mafia that uses the same engine is still a real beauty.
krudster [mod]
27/10/03 @ 10:00
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Finished the game yesterday, and have to say the last few levels of the Czech campaign are a major disappointment. A real antil climax.
addam12
28/10/03 @ 09:07
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I'm very interested in buying this game but I would
like to know if it's like a Tom Clancey style gameplay
where you have to tell each of your guys what to do
and plan out the mission, or is it like MOH where your
guys mainly act on there own?

I bought Ghost Recon and only played it once because
my guys kept staying put unless I held there hand and
kept clicking them along. I'm not knocking this type of
gameplay for those who like it, it's just not for me.

With all the new games coming out I don't want to get
the wrong game.
dynarama
28/10/03 @ 09:22
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addam12 - your teammates need an incredble ammount of hand-holding. The AI all round is very very suspect. Psychic enemy, dumb teammates (emptying a magazine into a wall anyone?), lack of persistent state (fences magicaly repaired, trucks you blew up replaced with new ones).

Overall there are so many bugs / quirks that I really can't recommend this game in it's current state. The music's great though!

6 /10 max.
krudster [mod]
28/10/03 @ 13:32
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Persistent state is one thing this game is great at. All the enemies you kill stay lying where you killed them for the entire level. I never saw blown up tanks being replaced - that's utter bullshit.

Sure, there are problems with the AI at times (as discussed in the review), but that didn't stop the first H&D being a classic, and it barely detracts from this one either.
If you don't want team mate "hand holding" (which is a very misleading statement), then play it in Lone Wolf mode, where you're entirely on your own.
Why do people keep insisting on comparing this to MOH AA? It'd be like comparing GT to Burnout.
dynarama
28/10/03 @ 13:50
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Re: persistent state. Norway mission part 1 - meet the contact who leads you to the camp. Stop as there is a truck full of explosives. Shoot said truck. Explosion - truck now a burnt out shell with no wheels.

Fanny on in the bunker for 15 mins.

Norway mission part 3 - escape from camp and go back to crossroads. Voila - one brand spanking new truck. No wreckage. No bodies, just a nice new shiny truck you can drive around in.

I'm not imagining this. Utter bullshit it is not.

dynarama
28/10/03 @ 14:13
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And while we're on the subject, in order to get into the base you have to cut a hole in the fence.

When you emerge from the bunker, magically it's all been repaired.

These may seem to be little things, but when there are loads of FPS's out there, it's only the little things that distinguish them.

And let's face it, the AI is utter pish.


dynarama
28/10/03 @ 16:19
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'Pre-release warez version' - not unless they're selling them at Game now. That truck was 100% there because I got in and mowed down two Germans in it! Same crossroads. (btw if you don't attack it it moves off anyway so why would it still be at the crossroads).

It definitely happened.

This game has obviously got more bugs in than I thought.



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28/10/03 @ 16:28
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agh... when did eurogamer become such a hideout for trolls?
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29/10/03 @ 05:39
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I'm not comparing it to MOH. I just used that as an example
of a type of Gameplay. If I go Lone Wolf then it's more like
MOH?? If I use a Team is it like Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six ect??

Or are the Team guys more solo minded and will act on there
own without constant ordering??
krudster [mod]
29/10/03 @ 19:01
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Ok, buggy game it most certainly is (as the review freely admits), and inconsistent AI issues aside, it's still one of the best games I've played this year.

If you want to bang on about the myriad of quirks, be my guest, but it doesn't alter the fact that it's an utterly compelling, richly atmospheric and well designed game in the main.

Persistent state - I'm sure there are the odd examples where things change back, but in the main it's one of the few games that even bothers to try. Take Conflict Desert Spoon 1 and 2 as an example; full of stupidity that no one bothers to question, yet it garners huge review scores everywhere: magic ammo lying around in odd places, yet you can't pick up anything from dead soliders that vanish before your eyes, no persistent state, even more questionable AI, unimaginative, bland environments and so on.

Why are there so many trolls determined to pick holes in what is so obviously a great, albeit flawed masterpiece? I get the impression most people just find it too hard and decide to lash out by blaming some quirks in the AI! Psychic enemies? No pal, that's just you being crap at it.

I bet half of the trolls here just went and downloaded it.



In Lone Wolf it's essentially the same game
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meepster2312
31/10/03 @ 12:58
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Anyone else having real problems joining one of the online games
at all?
dynarama
31/10/03 @ 14:48
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Since when did this place become North Korea?

For the record, I didn't download it:- in fact I bought it twice. Once from play.com (you can see the friggin receipt if you want) and once from Game while I was waiting (which I still am thank you Royal Mail).

What the hell is the point of a review if you can't pick holes in a game? Having just read the Club Football review it seems clear that you are able to pick apart a sloppy bit of programming so why are people who don't think that H&D 2 is the best thing in the world...ever, some sort of unpleasable pond-life?

I've not played Conflict Desert Storm but that's not what H&D is up against. The best games (imho) in this field are things like Flashpoint for game world freedom, Half Life for decent AI (which is what, 5 years old) and MOH:AA for atmospherics.

None of the above games is perfect but for me, they set the benchmarks for each particulary category that a new game has to measure up against in order to be the new top of the pile.

A patch has been announced and I'd love for it to clear up all the issues I have with this game. Until then, the flaws ruin the experience which is a shame.

I still love the music though...
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04/11/03 @ 06:46
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So has anyone played through the game Lone Wolfe?
I haven't had any practice leading a squad around,
but still would like to try the game. Is it harder? Is there
differences in the game if your alone? Would you still
recommend the game avidly still for the Lone Wolfe
experience?

Thanks!
blablabla
05/11/03 @ 08:08
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Dun dun dun!!

It's......teh patch!!

(That is, it will be when .co.uk comes back up of course.)

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