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Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Review

Xbox PC Review by Tom Bramwell

16 June, 2005

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, then. A game in which you live a huge section of the life of an uzi-hugging street-talking gangster, who buds, sprouts, flowers and would even have pollinated were it not for a last-minute sex-game excision, working your way through an entire state's worth of locations carrying out shooting and driving missions and all manner of other mini-missions in a seamlessly linked game world that's brimming with things to do, people to talk to, ways to kill and areas to explore. All done with more big-name actors and diversity than the average Hollywood nightclub - which you can probably visit while you're playing it.

Yet, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is a game that I wish to crush. No, this is nothing to do with my much-shouted stance on the game's hip-hop style (a stance which involves standing over it stamping on its face bellowing, "Stop that! Don't you bloody dare get up!"). When I say "crush" I mean it in the literal sense.

I think that, were it compressed into roughly the same space as Grand Theft Auto III, San Andreas would offer so much fun per square mile that you'd shave your chest, throw on a tank top and adopt a much more reserved attitude to the idea of driving along a street shooting at people wearing the wrong coloured hats. As it stands, there's more fun to be had here than you'd find if you put ten rival games back to back - the problem is that you'll spend as much time as you would playing ten rival games back to back in order to eke it all out.

San Andreas is also a game that I wish they hadn't rushed. Now, granted, it's hard to imagine a game that's had more man-hours thrown at it in recent years, nor paid greater dividends for the publisher. On PlayStation 2 alone it sold more copies in the UK along than I will earn pounds (or even dollars) in my entire lifetime. (This is one of those occasions I hope to be proven wrong, dear reader.) But for all the work that went into it and the enormous volume of things to do in it, it's still hard to escape the feeling that it needs another six months of polish.

Lip-synching, in some areas, is tragic. A lot of the mini-games are poorly formed or tediously prosaic in their execution. A great many of its "100 plus" missions are either conceptually flawed or identikit [or just plain tedious - 103 story mission completing Ed]. And technically it's got more issues than its lead character - a man who not only got his brother killed, but over the course of this adventure will use remote control helicopters to kill geeks, slaughter rival gang-members at a funeral, and even engage in demented sadomasochistic antics with an equally demented South American firebrand of a girlfriend. Thankfully behind closed doors. Porting it to Xbox from the weaker PS2 hasn't really fixed anything.

'Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas' Screenshot 1

But, as you may have spotted, San Andreas is a game that I'm not prepared to trash. That is a nine-out-of-ten sitting on the bottom of the review. And the reason it has that is that for all its flaws - flaws that you could spend as much time listing as it takes to write the average 2,000-word long-form review - there's about ten times as much to talk about in terms of adrenaline-kicks, hilarious, personal gaming anecdotes and moments of sheer genius - whether deliberately or accidentally comedic or just mechanical. Even generalising its successes eats up half a paragraph. And although it will frustrate and prompt you to fulminate, for the most part it's well above average, and it spends more time in the realms of excellence than at least half of the ten other games I've already lined up nearby. And of course, thanks to its zeitgeist-redefining third-person freeform structure, fun - and fun of your own design as much as the developer's - is rarely more than a few streets away.

It could have been closer, sure, but here you need the exercise.

And in actual fact you do. To drag this review into the realms of actual description, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is like previous GTA games except with barbells on. You take up the reins of Carl Johnson, a kid returning to his neighbourhood in Los Santos - an oft-convincing facsimile of Los Angeles - where his mother's just died. Reuniting with his old pals and brother, he sets about bringing his 'hood back up the rankings, completing drive-by shootings, stealing guns, taking down rivals, running errands for crooked cops, seizing territory by way of the odd bloodbath and driving like a maniac at all points in-between. And in-between he has to eat, go to the gym and generally mind his stats, which are Sims-esque in all but that game's ability to hack you off by dominating your routine with them. Here it's worth working toward, but it's not going to obscure your fun.

'Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas' Screenshot 2

But while this is all pretty serious stuff - on the gangland front, the kind of material that Spike Lee would make you cry with - Rockstar gives it to you straight but works as hard as possible to lighten the tone with banter between the stars, acted - and acted well - by a mixture of knowns (Samuel L Jackson!) and unknowns (er, yeah, I dunno), and comedy ticks that run throughout, whether it's ticklish radio adverts playing in-between the copious early '90s pop tunes on the radio, the back-and-forth spoken over the top, the roadsigns (True Grime: Street Cleaners), the silly eatery names (Cluckin' Bell) and clothes stores (Pro-Laps sportswear), listening to someone mouthing off about Driver 3 ("Tanner, you suck!") while you sneak past his couch, giggling at your hippy drug dealer pal's conspiracy theories, or the simple absurdity of smashing through cartoon people on the high street and blowing up cartoon ambulances. And when you've just about had time to explore one area, it thrust you into another. And another. And another. And another. Then comes full circle.

It would be pretty easy to adopt a kind of moral discomfort about the blend of seriousness and flippancy that keeps San Andreas - and the whole GTA series - ringing up dollar signs in the eyes of Take-Two executives, but if you treat it all in the spirit in which it's been designed - to entertain, nothing more - then you can't go too far wrong. Later in the game you can steal a jet, fly it over the desert and just leap out of it with a parachute. The game always has you more interested in the experience of riding down with the parachute than what's happened to the plane you just leapt out of - and that's pretty symbolic of the whole approach. There are a wealth of unique stunts to perform by jumping off well-hidden ramps, but it's the fun of watching a car arc over a barn in slow motion and then clip it and tumble upside down into hay-bales that you care about; not the cost of replacing the weathervane.

And since we're heading in that direction, let's consider just what you can do, and how likely you are to stick with it. As with previous GTAs, you've always got something to do. Usually it's a mission, or a couple of them - serious endeavours that see you really risking death by taking on gangs, kidnapping record producers and driving their limos off piers, chasing down sexually repressed bishops as they try to "convert" prostitutes, playing driver to mad blind Triads with uzis who want to gun down their neighbours from the passenger-seat, killing witnesses guarded by FBI agents in the hills and photographing them, then biking down the side of a mountain to save your game, tapping buttons in time to music to convince a beach girl to (foolishly) let you into her sound van, sneaking around a rapper's mansion to pinch his rhymesheet, using a mini-gun to target remote control aeroplanes as they threaten your electronics guy's rooftop antennae. And so on.

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And the execution is often good enough - thanks to Hollywood car handling that lets you thrash around performing absurd handbrake turns, rolling cars and leaping out of them at high speed, and simple-enough shoot-'em-up mechanics that while frustrating at times are often compelling enough. Sometimes it falls short - most notably in the case of off-the-beaten track missions like the "Zero" efforts in middle-city San Fierro, which spike the difficulty curve so high that you might as well be injecting pure frustration into the nearest vein - but, of course the missions are never the whole story. And with a bit of time away you come back with renewed purpose.

If you can't be bothered to do a real mission, you can look for those jumps I mentioned, find yourself some guns hidden in obscure spots (like on your neighbour's roof) and go mad on the streets trying to drum up as much police attention as possible and then bat it back, and although your extra-curricular activities aren't as prescribed as previously (Rampages, for example, are no longer obvious), there's usually something hidden away in any given block to amuse and, critically, give you an idea for something to do. If it's not just making you chuckle.

GTA is of course the original "sandbox" third-person game, full of toys with which to amuse yourself - and, as you may have spotted, any attempt to broadly describe its appeal at this late stage winds up going round and round in circles within a few paragraphs. So let's try and inflict some form of structure on this mess again and head toward the conclusion with a few pertinent observations beyond the fact that, dur, it's big and, double-dur, there's lots of mostly well-done things to do.

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First, neither PC or Xbox gets it right on the control front though. The PC version only falls down when it comes to mapping buttons to a control pad, which it doesn't do particularly convincingly (not obviously allowing you to double up certain functions onto the same button, for example, even when they're mutually exclusive and behave like that on PS2/Xbox), but the Xbox's problem is sadly innate. The White and Black buttons, used here for looking left, right or behind you in a car, are almost impossible to hold at the same time as each other, let alone driving and firing. The PS2 Dual Shock wins out here.

Second, this game still does not run properly on a console. When it chugged and lurched into stupidly low frame rates on PS2 [which, to be totally fair wasn't that often - Mr '100 hours' Ed], had ludicrous pop-up and fogging issues and still managed to look pretty backward-arsed in terms of its graphical accomplishments, it was easy to say "Well, it'll look better on the Xbox. The other versions did." This one, frankly, does not. On a high end PC with 3x anti-aliasing and the draw distance whacked up to the max it looks splendid, going into silly resolutions, but on the Xbox it looks dreadful. Or, to be more accurate, pretty much the same. It still slows down. It still pops up. The degrees to which it does these things have perhaps lessened slightly, but the extent to which they make you frown has not.

Fortunately, the low-res style screams "cartoon", the stylistic animations often make up for the lapses in quality, and the entertaining gameplay - for there's so much going on here it'd be churlish to specify - dominates your view of it all. And, brilliantly, the addition of custom soundtracks means that areas that used to be incredibly dull, like the long trawls through the countryside and desert, are now so much more enjoyable. Rocketing through the countryside on a dirt bike with music you actually like blistering your eardrums arguably does more to keep San Andreas above the "nine" threshold in my little world than a hundred and one variations on the word "ho".

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But, ultimately, GTA - and San Andreas in particular - is a game that cannot be easily bound by critics. And that, to my eyes, is because it's so all-encompassing. You can come home from work and feel like playing a sports game, a shoot-'em-up, a racing game, a rhythm-action game, or whatever. Most of the time you can come home from work and feel like playing a GTA game, because while it only flirts with some of those genres it does a good enough job of nailing the core interests of most gamers and padding them out with humour, ingenuity and variety.

It's one of the few games that recognises the unpredictability and psychology of the consumer - or at least accidentally seizes upon it. Back in the day you could throw on your favourite sports game for ten minutes, then your favourite shooter for another ten, then read Super Play for another ten and do your homework. These days ten of those minutes would be spent on load screens and in menus, waiting for discs to spin up and managing memory cards. GTA is a one-stop timesink that only asks for a couple of minutes to get going. It may not be best at everything, but it's best at doing everything. It's a gateway to doing lots and it goes against the current technical grain; in a few generations' time it's going to be a terrifyingly consuming piece of software.

As it stands now, it's far from perfect. But, divisive though its hip-hop ideology may be, and under-furnished some areas may feel, it still edges close enough often enough to be worthy of one of our highest marks. To put it another way, when I sit down of an evening and can't think of what to play, nine times out of ten I'm likely to settle for a Grand Theft Auto game. This one's no different. Low-rides over the 8/9 threshold. Now let's bounce.

9/10

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Nemesis
16/06/05 @ 12:35
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/round of applause

Top review and nailed the spirit of the GTA series.

/jaffa cake handout.

Shame they didn't do more with the Xbox version, which is why you should all run out and nab the PS2 version.........which'll set you back about 12-14 notes. BARGIN.
Blerk
16/06/05 @ 12:38
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Anyone would think that Ken was bunging RockStar a bundle of tenners to make sure the Xbox version was no better than the PS2 one. :-)

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16/06/05 @ 12:38
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Better than Halo... On the XBox as well as the PS2...
therev
16/06/05 @ 12:47
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I do like the music in SA. Reminds me of my student days.

I am concerned that my 'most favourite radio station' is K-ROSE according to my stats page, though.
Madder Max
16/06/05 @ 12:52
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So in other words..."The dogs bollocks". :0D
gizmo
16/06/05 @ 12:53
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No mention of the replay facility?
Pike
16/06/05 @ 12:55
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I'll wait and see if it drops in price. With the BF 2 demo out, and the full game just around the corner, I wouldn't play GTA:SA anyway.
markypants
16/06/05 @ 13:01
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Couldn't agree more.
Rumpy Stumpy
16/06/05 @ 13:06
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Changed my ps2 version for xbox version which is better. It's clearer, crisper and a tad smoother. However the controls are crap. How the hell are you meant to do a drive by if you don't have a controller s?

I only have the original (and best pad ever imho) xbox pad. So pressing white and b is a bit rubbish really.

Why not give an option for both?

JHuxley
16/06/05 @ 13:12
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I've played both PS2 and Xbox versions and I'd stick with the PS2 version if I had the choice, if only for the better control scheme. Great game on any platform.
stoopidgreg
16/06/05 @ 13:16
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haven't read the whole review yet, but noticed this from the conclusion: "As it stands now, it's far from perfect." yet you give it a 9/10?? that's just plain confusion...
krudster [mod]
16/06/05 @ 13:23
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Then read the review and all will become clear...
BBIAJ
16/06/05 @ 13:28
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My only issue with this game is that it's too easy!

I nailed most of the missions on my first go.

Granted, I had played up until Las Venturas on the PS2, but even after that, and the final mission included, I still breezed through them

Anyway, I'm off to do it all again in nothing but my boxershorts...
rocketdog
16/06/05 @ 13:28
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Having been playing this on my neighbours ps2 for the last 6 months and knowing what a fantastic game this is, I have now got the xbox version for myself. I think Tom is completely wrong to say that this looks no better than the PS2 version it looks miles better, clear, crisp and smooth to play. I recognise the control problems when you are doing a drive by but I'm glad to say that I have a logic 3 controller which has the black and white buttons on the shoulders of the pads, so no problem at all when it comes to whipping arse in the hood!! :)
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octo
16/06/05 @ 13:29
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I'll have to enjoy the San Andreas experience on budget as I've recently sold my Xbox. Hopefuly it will be one of the games emulated by the 360.
therev
16/06/05 @ 13:35
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Too easy?!? TOO EASY?!?!

::goes to cry in a corner::

It took me over three hours of constant play to pass the flying school, and as for the missions I'm currently on Las Venturas...
JHuxley
16/06/05 @ 13:42
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rocketdog: the shadows and textures appear to be slightly improved from the PS2 version and there's more street furniture lying around, but I wouldn't say the Xbox versions looks 'miles better'. Far too similar to really warrant another purchase, anyway.
Chtulie
16/06/05 @ 13:47
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I also have to say it´s pretty easy, I´m playing it with a gamepad on a pc that can´t really keep up with the game, and so for I haven´t had any troubles at all, anywhere (except at the beach mission, I have no sense of rhythm). Zero´s missions, for instance, were finished on the first go, and the flight school, only the barrel roll took me more then one go.

And buttons on the pad on the pc version CAN be given more then one function, it just won´t say so in the menu, but a given function to a given button gives that button the same alternative functions as it would on ps2 (say, the button you give the function for the stats will then also centre the camera behind the character as well as be the button to use to aquire property and anwser the phone, the select forward backward weapon bottons will also select different targets when pressing the target button and so on).
zErOb_cOOl
16/06/05 @ 14:12
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""As it stands now, it's far from perfect." yet you give it a 9/10?? that's just plain confusion... "

Its a similar reason why you love a TVR or a Ferrari. While the reliability is poor, when they are working they provide instant fun.

A great game is a great game. Nit picking at small details can't lower the games greatness. I suppsoe the choppy framerate is a fairly large detail, but it seriously has never bothered me when playing for some reason, and the graphics are adequate on both XBox and PS2.
BBIAJ
16/06/05 @ 14:12
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Yep, definitely too easy, as I had it totalled inside of 5 days.

Great game though. Catalina is a riot, and James Woods is fantastic.
The Bodybuilder
16/06/05 @ 14:15
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I'm still not convinced.
I've lost interest in both gta3 and vice city. Vice city being the fastest, as I just switched off the xbox and never played it again (I just got the mansion).

Something tells me I'll just loose interest in this too.
p3rks
16/06/05 @ 15:09
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Its just not as good as vice city.
captain-future
16/06/05 @ 15:16
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It still slows down. It still pops up.

so I'll stay with my ps2 version WITH the best controller layout. I'm a little disappointed because Xbox Double Pack offered me enough added-value to buy it despite I already owned the ps2 vice city.
therev
16/06/05 @ 15:17
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I reckon it's about six billion times better than Vice City. VC's definitely my least favourite 3D GTA, by quite a long way.

In VC, I didn't like the city and I didn't like the missions and I didn't like the eighties and I just gave up on the game after unlocking the second island.
p3rks
16/06/05 @ 15:26
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each to thier own eh... I preferred the 80's setting, the city was a manageable size (SA is _too_ big) thought the story and acting was better and that Tommy is a much better character than CJ. I don't like all the RPG-lite stuff either, would be better if you could just do everything from the off...

I'm not saying its crap, just a bit overrated.
Tricky
16/06/05 @ 15:28
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"also, how about doing a review at least on launch day, so it'll prove useful to those who like to get the games straight away?"

They said why in last Friday's "What's New" article - basically they weren't given their review copies until the day before it was released. Now would you prefer a half-arsed review or one that has actually been given some time to mull over?
UncleLou
16/06/05 @ 16:02
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I am enjoying it a lot more than Vice City, which bored me to tears, beginning with the map, to the main character, to the missions. And I hated the 80ies music. :)
Tiiti
16/06/05 @ 16:25
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Still a toilet game as far as I am concerned
Bring back the 2D versions!
ekko
16/06/05 @ 16:48
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Body Harvest is better.
smelly
16/06/05 @ 17:04
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driv3r much better
m2h
16/06/05 @ 17:45
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Enjoying the PC version. Only issue is the music cuts out really fast, makes the DDR mini-games pratically impossible.
BBIAJ
16/06/05 @ 18:04
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To the guy who said where's the humour, one can only assume that you have yet to meet up with Paul and Macca (as voiced by Shaun Ryder), as they are one top quality double act!
Tyronne
16/06/05 @ 18:06
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Playing this on the pc with the ps2 controller is a joy and the ps2 to pc converter only cost about 9 quid so it doesnt break the bank.The biggest problem I had was working out how to get my own mp3s working as its not exactly well written in them book that comes along with the game but now I worked it out its not so bad.
The Bodybuilder
16/06/05 @ 18:30
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>"I am enjoying it a lot more than Vice City, which bored me to tears, beginning with the map, to the main character, to the missions. And I hated the 80ies music. :)"

I guess I might consider giving it a shot.
If you can hate VC (like me) and still like this, it means I may possibly like it too.
Toonster
16/06/05 @ 20:03
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I love the GTA series but I wish it would come out for the Cube, and I'm not gonna buy a PS2 or an Xbox just for one game.
Kiigan
16/06/05 @ 21:26
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Too big, too flabby, too unfocused. None of the humour of GTA3. Mostly really awful missions on the "critical path". Too many tedious concessions to realism that just don't really work or make for a fun experience (having to eat regularly, having to work out, having to change clothes etc). Replacing health pickups with burger bars. Dozens of new minigames, all of them so poorly realised that they are not worth a second of your time. Yes, San Andreas has "more" but I'm not sure that's for the best.

Don't get me wrong - I love the GTA series, and I love hiphop. There are some improvements in San Andreas, such as the targeting and being able to climb walls etc - features I'll definitely take for granted from now on, rendering earlier GTA games unplayable. In my own opinion though, San Andreas is mostly a horrible experience. That "flying below radar" mission. That "picking up boxes with forklift" mission. And so on.
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Galvanizer
16/06/05 @ 22:39
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GTA?

Meh.....
kgthatsme
16/06/05 @ 22:47
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I loved the game to death but as it's expanded hugely since GTA3, the limits of the game engine have become horribly clear. It worked well for outdoor mindless shootouts with hoads of police etc, but introducing all the indoor missions and stealth, complex missions and stuff was too awkward and inexact. Compared with the precision controlling of say Splinter Cell, it's inadaquate.
I didnt like the radio stations either- crap talk radio (Not enough Lazlow AGAIN) and the music was as iconic/ catchy as the GTA3&VC.
Aside from that, the shear quantity is incredible and embarrasses other games imo.
Royal Fool
16/06/05 @ 23:51
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Nice DMA reference there. :)

I like the Xbox version more because of the far more robust and accurate analog sticks, the better draw distance (Although not a huge increase), slightly better resolution on the interface from what I can tell and obviously just better framerates.

What I don't like about this version is that the promised replay facility is utter crap (Only last 30 seconds of gameplay, and you cannot save the replays for later viewing... not to mention that they tend to freeze the console for no reason), very disappointed with the stuttering and often downright silly way the textures and new cars/people are loaded into your surroundings and of course the fact that the character models and most of the textures are still terribly bad.

But thankfully, San Andreas is such an awesome game filled with content that you might just have too much fun to care about these problems. But they still exist and tend to irritate me. This is nothing more than a port that's not even rewritten to take advantage of the Xbox (Or PC for that matter).
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Fixxxer
17/06/05 @ 00:31
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I just noticed today that the game has gravestones with "R.I.P: The Competition" written on them.

THere's also an "EA sucks" number plate.

That's why I love these games.
Shadar
17/06/05 @ 01:50
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Played it a bit on the PS2. Crap.

Played it a bit on the PC. Crap.

What's the deal with these games? They're all about broken free-form gameplay that takes way too much time; frustrating, horrid mission design that close to NEVER are any actual fun to play and now they even removed the arcade possibility of carelessly blowing up cars to gain points. Carl is an uninteresting character, his dawgs are occasionally funny, but only because they're silly rather than because the humor contains any actual sophistication and the script is weak apart from the voice work.

How can this be gaming's most valuable intellectual property? How can this be the pinnacle of interactive entertainment?

*Sniff*

I guess I'm just not down enough.
roofles
17/06/05 @ 09:08
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San Andreas actually had me laughing more than Vice City did.

I LOVE YOU MAGGIE!
Madder Max
17/06/05 @ 09:39
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"That "flying below radar" mission. That "picking up boxes with forklift" mission. And so on. "

Eh? The flying below radar one is pish easy. Take off and go north until you are past the beach and over the sea. Obvioulsy dip down to the approriate height and cruise West. Turn south (still over the sea) cruise all the way down to the bottom of the map, turn East (still over the sea) and when the icon is level with you on the left hand side, turn North. Fly over the beach (flight height is relative to ground height) cruise through the circle between the 2 bunches of trees, bank left and fly out to the sea again (west of map) and then just cruise North turning east around corner at top of map. Fly along above sea then a quick turn right and land.


With the forklift thing there is no timer so whenever you hear gunfire, stop forklift and get out. Shoot TA bod then get back to forklift and continue. Repeat when necessary.
Mugwum [staff]
17/06/05 @ 14:18
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"also, how about doing a review at least on launch day, so it'll prove useful to those who like to get the games straight away?"

Take that one up with Rockstar. They didn't get it to us until 5:30pm on the day before it came out.
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17/06/05 @ 16:30
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Take that one up with Rockstar. They didn't get it to us until 5:30pm on the day before it came out.

It's amazing how, even with something like San Andreas, Rockstar send out review copies like they were trying to sneak a 2/10 game onto the shelves without magazines getting to unleash their critical bile upon it.

Why the hell do they do it?!
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Scimarad
17/06/05 @ 19:10
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GTA:San Andreas is the first of the GTAs I've even come close to completing. Lots of fun, especially the planes:-)

One complaint though - How about losing all the backtracking and having a simple 'Restart Mission Y/N?' when you fail.
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UncleLou
17/06/05 @ 20:47
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Played it a bit on the PS2. Crap.

Played it a bit on the PC. Crap.

What's the deal with these games? They're all about broken free-form gameplay that takes way too much time; frustrating, horrid mission design that close to NEVER are any actual fun to play *snip*.


That's pretty much how I feel about the series too - and yet I am really enjoying GTA:SA a lot. Weird. :)
Mugwum [staff]
19/06/05 @ 07:44
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"It's amazing how, even with something like San Andreas, Rockstar send out review copies like they were trying to sneak a 2/10 game onto the shelves without magazines getting to unleash their critical bile upon it.

Why the hell do they do it?!"

I don't know exactly so I won't speculate, but it makes me cross. So cross I'm going to have to go and play Katamari and Psychonauts.
Darth_Flibble
19/06/05 @ 11:27
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To be honest i think San Andreas is a bit over-rated as the new things are not a bit improvement from the last one. The flying missions are fucking annoying. I managed to do about 3 flight school missions before giving up and find a save game to get past them
crashVoodoo
19/06/05 @ 17:54
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while i like the game i'm totally fucked off with a bug thats in it.

doing the 'reuniting the families' mission, its all easy till i get to the section where i'm stcking out the top of the car and shooting the cop cars chasing us. these twatting motorbike cops leap off their bikes and start punching me. i can litterally fill them with lead and they don't die at all !!!!!!!!

he just sits there punching the fuck out of me till i die. played thru the mission like 15 times now doing different things and its always the same :(


AAAAAAAARGH !!!!!!!!!11

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