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30 May, 2002

Review - Grand Theft Auto comes home to the PC; can it steal our hearts (and wallets) again?

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Whizzo
30/05/02 @ 23:49
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For the timed missions if your driving is a bit crap use the Stinger, it's nice and quick and the handling is the best of the sports cars even if it isn't the fastest.

I'm pretty sure the health does respawn but it takes ages, however there are plenty of them hidden away on each island so just learn where they are and it'll help and always wear armour, which is also scattered quite nicely around the three islands. If you complete a certain amount of ambulance missions a health pickup will appear at your home. Ambulances increase health by 20 points but will decrease your health to 100 if you've been enjoying the "freelance nurses" that walk around Liberty distributing health bonuses...

Oh and remember to do the police vigilante missions too, for every 10 you get a police bribe at home, to the maximum of 6 when you've done 20 missions on each of the three islands.
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Khab
30/05/02 @ 23:56
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b) get the fastest car you can.

Actually, I find that that should be

b) Get a cop car and turn on the siren.
Moonbender
31/05/02 @ 00:25
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Not really. Cop cars are neither the fastest nor the most nimble cars in the game. I like Stingers the most, but the other sports cars all seem to be pretty awesome. Cop cars are pretty stable, though, which might be a reason to use em.
The siren is very cool, you just have to love how all the other cars actually break and try to make room for you, but I preferred to drive without it, since I found the other cars behaviour to be pretty difficult to predict, for instance if and which way they would drive to avoid you.

BTW, I didn't know about the police bribe and health appearing at your hideout, that's pretty cool. Gotta try it right now. :) How many hidden packages did you find so far? I'm at 35 (without any walkthrough, of course) right now, I've got the pistol, the uzi and grenades at my hideout.
FWB
31/05/02 @ 00:41
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Out of interest, what tracks do you listen,if you do, on the MP3 player? I'm talking about songs that you think are ideally suited to causing destruction and chaos. A few that I have running are:

Sabotage - Beastie Boys
Been caught stealing - Jane's Addiction
I fought the law - The Clash
Wonderful world - Louis Armstrong (this is great to produce that surreal atmosphere)
Anarchy in the UK - Sex Pistols (there are so many you can pick, but this is probably the most fitting one)
Ignite, Looking for action and Born to kill - The Damned
Perseverance - Terrorvision

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Moonbender
31/05/02 @ 00:56
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LOL ... my mp3 subdir contains a couple of songs randomly pulled out of my main MP3 archive. The songs aren't anarchic at all, quite to the contrary actually - a couple of songs by Elton John, Sandstorm by Darude and Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm by the Crash Test Dummies. As I said, very random bunch.
If I had to choose a couple of songs that fit the mood, then Jimmy Eat World, Marilyn Manson and the Prodigy would be it. Neon Genesis theme songs would qualify as creating a surreal athmosphere. ;)
FWB
31/05/02 @ 01:19
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Yeah, I have a large collection of alsorts in my directory, but I thought I'd just name a few that really are neat during intense action. There's just something about hearing...

I've been caught stealing, once when I was five
I enjoy stealing, its as simple as that
Well its a simple fact
When I want something, man, don't want to pay for it

...while driving a hijacked car. :)
oxinan
31/05/02 @ 07:06
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Rearviewmirror by Pearl Jam is an old but good one. Bad Habit by Offspring would also work quite well I guess:

I open the glove box
Reach inside
I'm gonna wreck this fucker's ride
Gestalt
31/05/02 @ 07:12
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"More safe houses or more flexible saving options would be nice"

The most annoying bit is the missions, as you can't save during a mission. That means that if you fail the mission, you not only have to repeat the entire thing over from scratch (which is fair enough), but you also have to monkey around driving out to see whichever gang boss it was to get the mission again and wait for the cutscene to load up, skip through it, wait for it to drop you back into the game... It's just plain annoying if you end up retrying the same mission several times. I want to be able to just jump right back in while I'm still worked up, not have to faff around driving a couple of miles across town just to get started.


"the one where you have to go to all the phones"

That one's a bit tricky - I made it on my first try, but only with literally one second left on the clock when I finally reached the end of the phone trail. All I can suggest is steal a fast car and park it so that it's facing in the right direction before you go to get the mission, so you can just hop in and screech off once the timer starts.


"I get this huge urge to get out of my vehicle and give "bad" drivers a good slap"

The funny thing is, some of the other drivers are just as bad as you. You'll sometimes see cars punting each other off the road, colliding at junctions, mounting the pavement and generally messing up. Staunton seems to be the worst for that - must be all the rich idiots with their Ferrari and Porsche substitutes. ;)
Tricky
31/05/02 @ 07:54
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Bah - you're all an uncultured bunch. I always tune into the classical/opera radio station (been a while since I played it so can't remember the channel's name) - nothing like cruising liberty city to the strains of some diva belting it out, especially when the action is really getting hot as it makes it kind of surreal ;-)
Pirotic
31/05/02 @ 08:09
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i think a bit of Sinatra would go down well
Gestalt
31/05/02 @ 08:25
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"Start spreading the news..."
binky
31/05/02 @ 08:25
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nothing beats driving around in RALLISPORT on the XBX with either the star wars theme or some music from Clockwork Orange. TOP STUFF
Super Stu
31/05/02 @ 08:31
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b) Get a cop car and turn on the siren.

Pah, I've got an FBI car in my Staunton Island lockup ;)
Super Stu
31/05/02 @ 08:34
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Can't understand how anyone can play GTA3 for 6 months

Well, I haven't been able to play it non stop for 6 months because I have to go to the toilet occasionally :P

I'm still playing GT3 a year after having bought it - a mark of a good game.
skalmanxl
31/05/02 @ 08:34
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Pah, I've got an FBI car in my Staunton Island lockup ;)

Overrated car, I think.
pjmaybe
31/05/02 @ 08:37
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Hahaha! I love it! Everyone moaned about the frame rate on the PS2 version and it turns out that the PC version is WORSE!

Excellent.

Peej
Blerk
31/05/02 @ 08:38
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I like that enormous army surplus truck you can get from the arms dealer on the second island. Almost completely indestructable, cars just bounce off it! Excellent fun to just plough along a busy road sending cars flying in all directions. Helped me to finish many a difficult mission, that one - not fast, but the cops can't touch you! :-)
skalmanxl
31/05/02 @ 08:41
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->Blerk

I love that one too. I pick it up, and just bully everyone else by going in the opposite direction of the lane. I usually take the small bridge by the constructionsite, just to get to bob a few of them down down down. I specially like hitting Landstalkers with it, since they do some quality bounching.
FWB
31/05/02 @ 08:42
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A couple more that I have:

Caught by the Fuzz - Supergrass
Crosstown Traffic - Hendrix

Hendrix's one has some really great lyrics:

You jump in front of my car when you,
you know all the time
Ninty miles an hour, girl, is the speed I drive
You tell me it's alright, you don't mind a little pain
You say you just want me to take you for a drive

You're just like crosstown traffic
So hard to get through to you
Crosstown traffic
I don't need to run over you
Crosstown traffic
All you do is slow me down
And I'm tryin' to get on the other side of town

I'm not the only soul who's accused of hit and run
Tire tracks all across your back
I can, I can see you had your fun
But, darlin' can't you see my signals turn from green to red
And with you I can see a traffic jam straight up ahead

You're just like crosstown traffic
So hard to get through to you
Crosstown traffic
I don't need to run over you
Crosstown traffic
All you do is slow me down
And I got better things on the other side of town


It is a fantastic track in its own right anyway... well, it is Hendrix.

Whizzo
31/05/02 @ 08:58
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I like that enormous army surplus truck you can get from the arms dealer on the second island.
The Barracks at full speed into oncoming traffic is lovely, just a pity it's as fragile as all the other vehicles when the Rhinos are on the streets...

I specially like hitting Landstalkers with it, since they do some quality bounching.
Hitting Landstalkers is just what they deserve, they're top heavy, unbalanced crap, one of the worst cars to be around when you really need to 'jack something to get away from the cops!
skalmanxl
31/05/02 @ 09:02
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I love the Landstalkers myself, a pure challenge do drive. I tend to jack one, pop on Game Radio and go gangsta on people's polygonal asses.
Super Stu
31/05/02 @ 09:09
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Pah, I've got an FBI car in my Staunton Island lockup ;)

Overrated car, I think.


You're missing the point - it's in my garage.
skalmanxl
31/05/02 @ 09:10
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Well, I have one was well. I think the enforcer is crammed in there too,
Whizzo
31/05/02 @ 09:11
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You're missing the point - it's in my garage.
When you've gained a Rhino, without cheating, that's something to be proud of! ;-)
Super Stu
31/05/02 @ 09:15
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When do you actually gain the Rhino? It was parked up in that mission where you have to protect the war veteran, but it was locked.
Super Stu
31/05/02 @ 09:15
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Whilst I think about it... where on earth do I get a Mr Whopee? That's all I need on that list of cars you have to boost.
Blerk
31/05/02 @ 09:21
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where on earth do I get a Mr Whopee?

The easiest way to get one is to do Vigilante or Fire Truck missions. I got one on my second or third Vigilante mission - a crook had boosted it and I had to chase him down. Don't damage it too much and you can take it away afterwards. :-)
Whizzo
31/05/02 @ 09:22
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When do you actually gain the Rhino?

There are three non-cheating ways :-

a) nick one from the army (the best way but v.dangerous)
b) nick one from the army and complete the emergency vehicle crane requirements of one of each EV and you get the ability to pick one up from the docks anytime
c) complete the game and the arms dealer's Rhino is unlocked and respawns.

Until you hit the third island the army don't turn up, so there's no way to get one until you're quite far into the game.
Gestalt
31/05/02 @ 10:03
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"Hitting Landstalkers is just what they deserve, they're top heavy, unbalanced crap, one of the worst cars to be around when you really need to 'jack something to get away from the cops"

It's a pity really - the Landstalkers are pretty fast, fairly rugged and handle well, but as soon as you so much as tap it with another car it flips over and blows up. They must've modelled it on the Canyonero from The Simpsons. ;)
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Whizzo
31/05/02 @ 10:14
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They must've modelled it on the Canyonero from The Simpsons. ;)
Or early model Vauxhall Frontera's...
Super Stu
31/05/02 @ 10:15
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Dear Mr Rockstar

Please, please, please may we have an 18 wheel articulated lorry to drive in GTA4.

Luv

Stu.
Whizzo
31/05/02 @ 10:24
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Please, please, please may we have an 18 wheel articulated lorry to drive in GTA4.
And motorbikes, although if the cover of Vice City is accurate, they will be there!
Blerk
31/05/02 @ 10:26
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And motorbikes, although if the cover of Vice City is accurate, they will be there!

Oh yeah! A 'Steve McQueen-em-up'! Fantastic! :-)
Super Stu
31/05/02 @ 10:27
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And a Segway!
skalmanxl
31/05/02 @ 10:29
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Oh yeah! A 'Steve McQueen-em-up'! Fantastic! :-)

You certainly have good taste Blerk, Steve McQueen is one of the coolest actors ever! The great escape (with the kindest germans ever in movie history) is my fav. movie with him.
Whizzo
31/05/02 @ 10:32
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The great escape (with the kindest germans ever in movie history) is my fav. movie with him.
The Great Escape is truly one of the best movies ever, now I've just to find some time to actually watch the recent DVD I bought of it!

One thing that would add a certain McQueen influence to GTA would be whenever you're in a chase there should always be a green VW Beetle lurking nearby... :-)
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skalmanxl
31/05/02 @ 10:33
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Wasn't it yellow?

Besides, we all know that a 72 Ford Mustang have about 7-15 gears going upwards. Plenty of hubcaps too.
Blerk
31/05/02 @ 10:36
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The great escape is my fav. movie with him.

And precisely the movie I had in mind at the time I wrote that. :-)
Whizzo
31/05/02 @ 10:41
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Wasn't it yellow?
Nope dark green.

Plenty of hubcaps too.
Yeah I think it ended up losing about 8 or so, even for an American car that seems extravagant!
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LaundroMat
31/05/02 @ 11:20
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Gestalt: The most annoying bit is the missions, as you can't save during a mission. I want to be able to just jump right back in while I'm still worked up, not have to faff around driving a couple of miles across town just to get started.

That's not a bad thing, imho. I guess only one times in three do I actually reach the same boss again, only because I can't withhold from trying to fool around with pedestrians, other drivers, the cops eventually etcetera (and have fun in the process). Surely makes the game last a lot longer.
Khab
31/05/02 @ 12:07
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i think a bit of Sinatra would go down well.

I've got 'My Way' in my folder. :) It's excellent, whenever it comes around I can't resist going on a killing spree, running people over and doing drive-bys... :D
Blerk
31/05/02 @ 12:11
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Surely makes the game last a lot longer.

It's generally not too bad until you get to the second island and it starts sending you on missions to the first island. Get mission on island 2, drive to island 1, get killed, have to go all the way back to island 2 to get the mission again, then all the way back to island 1, get killed, shout, throw, swear. :-)
Errol
01/06/02 @ 08:59
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For the PC version, it should have been possible to save anywhere, at any time.
bystander
01/06/02 @ 09:07
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For the PC version, it should have been possible to save anywhere, at any time.

Wouldn't that have made a bit too easy?

Perhaps they should have made auto save points every place where you can pick up a mission? So just before you pick a mission the game auto saves, thus saving you from needing to backtrack to find the mission again should you fail it.
Whizzo
01/06/02 @ 10:09
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Wouldn't that have made a bit too easy?
Yes it would, unless the mission is timed you can do pretty much anything to get a new car, health, weapons and armour so if things go bad just back off re-stock and then go back, hell you can even pay a visit to a freelance nurse if you want...

Never be afraid to scarper.
st3ph3n
01/06/02 @ 10:22
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Suppose I should add my 2 pence worth on the graphics.

They are perfectly acceptable on my 32mb GF2MX at 800x600. Anything higher than that and it suffers badly.

And that's with me using an AthlonXP 1800+ with the rest of the trimmings.

Should probably get a decent GFX card at some stage.
Errol
01/06/02 @ 10:46
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'Should probably get a decent GFX card at some stage'

Yes, you most certainly should ! Your otherwise ninja PC is being seriously held back by that shoddy graphics card ! Get a Geforce 3/4, and be astonished !
Gestalt
01/06/02 @ 10:56
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"Perhaps they should have made auto save points every place where you can pick up a mission"

Yup. I like the idea of limited saves, but in GTA3 it's just bloody minded because you have to drive back and forth across town every time you fail a mission. If you could just auto-save outside the hot spot where you go in to meet the boss, that would save a lot of time and unnecessary frustration.
FWB
01/06/02 @ 13:37
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Well I figured out that pickups definately return, an dthat includes polic bribes. My next question is whether failed missions return, in particular the non gang related ones.

Yup. I like the idea of limited saves

Well the current save system isn't great. I'm one of those players who will save every other minute if I can, but I like restricted saving because it adds more tension.
mouse [staff]
01/06/02 @ 13:43
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"My next question is whether failed missions return, in particular the non gang related ones."

Yes, they do.

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