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Grand Theft Auto 3 Comments by Gestalt

30 May, 2002

Review - Grand Theft Auto comes home to the PC; can it steal our hearts (and wallets) again?

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brokenkey
30/05/02 @ 10:24
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Have you stopped handing out scores?

Not that I really care, I got this game last week and I love it. I don't have frame rate problems, but that'll be because its' running on a v.new computer.
Concrete
30/05/02 @ 10:26
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And the score is?
Errol
30/05/02 @ 10:31
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A score clearly isnt appropriate (it would get the same as the PS2 version). Basically the conclusion is the 'score', so to speak - it enables you to make a buying decision.
Blerk
30/05/02 @ 10:36
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Yay - no scores! Gestalt bucks the system!

"And if those pencil-pushers back at head office don't like it they can sit on thi.... oh, hello sir. Yes sir, just adding the score now sir. Sir."

;-)
Gestalt
30/05/02 @ 10:40
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Sorry guys, we are still doing scores, I just didn't put one on this particular review because there isn't a "one size fits all" score you can give GTA3. The score really depends on what kind of hardware you have and whether you have the PS2 version of the game already, so read the conclusion. :)
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Whizzo
30/05/02 @ 10:40
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Well I've got both and Gestalt is on the button in the fact that there are practically bugger all differences gameplaywise between the two versions. Hopefully users will mod the funt out of it like previous versions so new missions will turn up.

One thing about the conversion I am really annoyed about though is the replay function. I thought it would have been along the lines of the one in say Carmageddon TDR2000, allowing you to change camera angles etc and save as an AVI. It does none of these things it just replays a script within the engine with no sound that may or may not actually play the same as what really happened! For example one replay had the car I was driving explode on me (which didn't happen in the game!) and when I exited the replay it was still perfectly alright! Very sloppy.
Killerbee
30/05/02 @ 10:43
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I've been putting off getting this for my PS2 for a while now, just in case the PC version offered something new and improved. It seems from Gestalt's review that there's very little difference. My PC is a PIII 700mhz with 256MB RAM and a Geforce3 Ti200, so I think it should run okay - or can anyone tell me otherwise?

The thing I'd really like to know is how the controls for the game have been altered - is the mouse & keyboard combo better than using a Dualshock2? Any views?
Gestalt
30/05/02 @ 10:46
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"I think it should run okay"

It *should* do. I think the graphics card (and how much memory it has) is the main thing for this game.
Gestalt
30/05/02 @ 10:47
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Oh, and the controls is the one thing I forgot to mention in the review. :) The mouse and keyboard works great for the on-foot bits (probably better than the dual shock), but controlling cars with just the keyboard takes some getting used to. After a couple of hours I got the hang of it though, and I was merrily handbrake turning my way through the streets of Liberty City in a stolen taxi. Some of the cars handle terribly, but get your hands on something like a cab, police car, yakuza stinger or mafia sentinel and you're in heaven.
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Whizzo
30/05/02 @ 10:51
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is the mouse & keyboard combo better than using a Dualshock2?
Shooting is better and as Gestalt says it takes sometime to adjust to driving with the keyboard but with some practice it ends up just as easy as using a pad.
Pirotic
30/05/02 @ 11:04
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i hope they release a demo so we can test its performance on our system without having to waste £30 first. i refused to get a choddy PS2 conversion but now the xbox port is canned this could be my only option.

bionutz
30/05/02 @ 11:06
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is it possible to drive cars with the steering wheel? I mean in the game not in real life
binky
30/05/02 @ 11:07
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im looking at getting a game or 2 this weekend.

Think this might be on the list.

Also fancy either , on XBOX, Spiderman (have to wait a week i know) or Jedi starfighter... I have a new game to trade so i wont be paying full price.

any thoughts?
Pirotic
30/05/02 @ 11:09
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i would recommend spiderman, its a good solid game.. not brilliant but if you ever played the PSone titles you'll feel right at home.

Jedi Starfighter is nothing special.

Nemesis
30/05/02 @ 11:11
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Well this Friday you have Morrowind, but personally I'd wait for some reviews on that one before committing to it. SOF2, which is quite cool in the demo once the gore is enabled. The ship level was superb, very MGS2. Bit fast though, an inherent problem of Q3 based games IMO.

Must admit Starfighter has caught my eye, I'll play this before buying.

Pirotic
30/05/02 @ 11:16
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Morrowind is a brilliant game, but sadly its the most bug-ridden peice of software i've played in all my life.

the indoor scenes use about 2/3 times the amount of polygons that the outdoor sections use, so you keep having to change the resolution down when you go into a house, then raising it again when you go outside.. which is very bad game design.

Combat is surprisingly fun, and the character creation is fanastic.. i have a short cloaked assasin with a sniper cross-bow atm :P
Jesus: Action Figure
30/05/02 @ 11:20
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HAving recently seen the new Star Wars movie, I'm really tempted by the Clone Campaigns expansion for Star Wars Battlegrounds this weekend.

It would involve me having to buy the original game though :o(
bionutz
30/05/02 @ 11:21
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I have both Morrowind and Sof2. My opinion is that Sof2 gets a bit boring (and it's quite difficult compared to sof1) with the time. Besides even with my high end system I sometimes have slowdowns/ have to wait a lot to load the first time a save. For Morrowind, I just started to play, and besides the fact that it looks awesome I liked a lot the generation of my own custom character class. But now I have to explore the village and find out what it goes on around.
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30/05/02 @ 11:23
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aye Jedi starfighter caught my eye due to the film :)

good marketing me thinks
GrahamS
30/05/02 @ 11:25
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i refused to get a choddy PS2 conversion but now the xbox port is canned this could be my only option

Seems to me that there is one other rather obvious option...
bionutz
30/05/02 @ 11:26
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I think I'll reinstall the system again... I have win98 and its install is at least 6 months old... Athlon1466/gf44600/256megs/hdd@7200rot/min.
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brokenkey
30/05/02 @ 11:28
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if you are going to re-install 98, get yourself over to www.98lite.net and use that. Makes 98 super stable.
binky
30/05/02 @ 11:30
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ooh just found GTA3 on play.com for 19.99

gotta be worth it i spose :)

/me places order.
Nemesis
30/05/02 @ 11:31
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I think your best bet is to leave Morrowind alone for a while until Beth' patch it, which seems to be a normal thing for their stuff.

Play the original first Jeez. I picked it up the other day as I knew the expansion was coming out and I wanted to have a mess about, but oddly I haven't cracked open the box. Still messing about with JK2.....friend and I are linking up on DSL for arena style 1on1 lightsaber fights tonight. Should be a laugh.
brokenkey
30/05/02 @ 11:31
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just found? it's linked to at the bottom of the review!!
binky
30/05/02 @ 11:36
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LOL oh yeah.

thats my subconscious telling me to type in things again
Aka
30/05/02 @ 12:02
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This game is fantastic!

Controlling the character with the keys and mouse is great, then grab a car and use your joy pad - just like a racing sim.

On my system (Athlon 1.4, Geforce 2 64mb, 512 mb) it's beautiful @ 800x600. I was very disappointed with GTA3 on PS2 cos it was soooooo slow, this is wicked!
GrahamS
30/05/02 @ 12:13
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I was very disappointed with GTA3 on PS2 cos it was soooooo slow

Eh? I don't think its slow on the PS2. Just about right if you ask me. Its pretty hard to control some of the best cars a top speed, I think any faster would be completely impossible.
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30/05/02 @ 12:20
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"if you are going to re-install 98, get yourself over to www.98lite.net and use that. Makes 98 super stable."

Interesting, but actually I've never had 98 crash on me in the three years I've had it. Must just be lucky I suppose.
Whizzo
30/05/02 @ 12:24
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Strange that you have had these problems not only have I and several mates been able to change the camera angles in when playing back
Yes you can move the camera around with the mouse but I meant that there are no fixed camera options that allow you to setup the action very well such as in C:TDR, Driver and a lot of other games that have replay functions. In comparison to other games the replay function is pretty poor.

playing these back it did not generate something that had not occured.
I've had strange things happen a few times and the replay function is definately bugged here's an easy way to complete fire truck missions : get in fire truck, start the fire truck missions then hit replay. As soon as the replay is finished or you quit it the fire is extinguished instantly with you doing nothing!
Super Stu
30/05/02 @ 12:28
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On my system (Athlon 1.4, Geforce 2 64mb, 512 mb) it's beautiful @ 800x600. I was very disappointed with GTA3 on PS2 cos it was soooooo slow, this is wicked!

See, I prefer it on a 28" widescreen and in Pro Logic.

Speaking of which.. I'm about 52% done, having just finished the last Columbian mission and decided to have a faff about with the options... and discovered that there was a widescreen and pad vibrate option. D'oh! I've had this since Christmas and haven't noticed til now ;)
Amnesia
30/05/02 @ 12:34
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GTA3 lubs a GF3 to death. First game I've really *really* felt required one rather than it just being nice.

BTW if anyone's having graphical hitches with a GF3 or d3d8.dll errors in Win98/ME try reinstalling Nvidia 21.83 drivers in the archive section of nvidia.com. The game would not work fullstop with the current 23.82 drivers for me. WinXP users may also have the same d3d8.dll error but it's something different to do with the .dll itself requiring a small update from m$.com. Details on GTA3.com.

Lastly, if you've got slow frame rates make sure you turn off 'trails'.

Whizzo
30/05/02 @ 12:39
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The game would not work fullstop with the current 23.82 drivers for me.
Works fine for me on my ME setup with a Gf3-Ti200.
ssuellid
30/05/02 @ 12:48
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"See, I prefer it on a 28" widescreen and in Pro Logic. " - you should try it with ProLogic II which does wonders with a normal ProLogic source. Either that or try DTS NEO.
Concrete
30/05/02 @ 13:00
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Talking of Morrowind - Anyone know when the Xbox version is due to be released?
GrahamS
30/05/02 @ 13:12
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"See, I prefer it on a 28" widescreen and in Pro Logic. "

Absolutely - GTA3 is a good example of a game that I prefer to sit on the couch and play on a big screen, rather than hunched over my PC.

Glad you found the widescreen option - didn't it look a bit wierd without it?? Personally its the first thing I check for in a new game.
Blerk
30/05/02 @ 13:19
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I don't know how gta3 plays on the ps/2

What, that old PC range from IBM? (showing my age)

Seriously though, the PS2 version plays fine. A little bit of slowdown when there's tons going on, but not so much that you get annoyed.
Super Stu
30/05/02 @ 13:46
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Why didn't they iron out the bugs before release, or is that a rhetorical question?

Sounds like Renderware hasn't exactly been optimised for the PC, does it?
Super Stu
30/05/02 @ 13:48
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surprised it sold so well, the console market must be pretty desperate :)

Nope, we're just happy to buy polished games. The PC market is apparently happy to buy buggy shite (RL notwithstanding).
Blerk
30/05/02 @ 13:51
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the controls are over simple

How can the controls ever be 'over-simple'? You don't like it because it's not hard enough to control?

"Well, it's okay... but I wish I could just sort of rotate on the spot and get killed sometimes instead of going in the direction I want to..."
Whizzo
30/05/02 @ 13:52
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surprised it sold so well, the console market must be pretty desperate
Perhaps it's because it's an incredibly fun game that even in the 6 months since I bought it I'm still playing on it on my PS2?
Aka
30/05/02 @ 13:53
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> Also make sure your HD is up to speed

Good point - if you have've got a fast HD you get stutters. (However they do smooth out once all the textures are in memory.)

Blerk - ps/2; We've still got our old ps/1!
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Super Stu
30/05/02 @ 13:58
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Nero was 5MB/sec and the dude at the PC shop said it was ATA-100 >:(

ATA-100 means that you'll get burst transfer rates of 100mb/sec. The sustained transfer rate will be quite a bit slower.

Whizzo: absolutely. I'm still playing my copy of GTA3 having bought it last Christmas.
Blerk
30/05/02 @ 14:03
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Blerk - ps/2; We've still got our old ps/1!

What the heck do you use it for? Keeping the door open? :-)
eviltobz
30/05/02 @ 14:10
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ATA-100 means that you'll get burst transfer rates of 100mb/sec

additionally, thats the spec of the bus, not the speed of the hard-drive. high bandwidth busses like this really come into their own when you have a number of devices connecting a communicating simultaneously, such as if you stripe your data accross a raid.
Nemesis
30/05/02 @ 14:11
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"Well, it's okay... but I wish I could just sort of rotate on the spot and get killed sometimes instead of going in the direction I want to..."

That'll be Resident Evil then........
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30/05/02 @ 14:14
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http://www.teamxbox.com/news.php?id=3273&fc=1
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Blerk
30/05/02 @ 14:16
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That'll be Resident Evil then........

You read my mind! :-)
binky
30/05/02 @ 14:19
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ok with all the fuss with slowdown (which generally annoys me) should i buy this game for pc?

(i haventclicked buy on play.com yet)

My pc setup is....

1000mhz athlon
256mb ddr
gf2 64mb

Or should i just borrow my brothers ps2 with it over the next week, play it and be done with?
Blerk
30/05/02 @ 14:21
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Or should i just borrow my brothers ps2 with it over the next week, play it and be done with?

It'll take longer than a week. Seriously.

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