Final Fantasy XII Comments by Rob Fahey
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marine_fran
31/10/06 @ 19:48
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10/10. Company of Heroes 10/10. Canis Canem Edit por ahí. Venga hombre. Os estías vendiendo mucho, tenéis la mano muy suelta con las notas. Os vais a convertir en una especie de IGN a este paso.
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I'm so glad that games like this are still being made and generally being a lot better than the amount of tripe we have to put up with.
It just goes to show that the majority of games worthy of 10 out of 10, are infact story driven OFFLINE games, and not online ones... Microsoft should take note. Both this and Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess are exactly what the gaming industy needs at the moment... it's games like these that remind me why I actually started gaming in the first place. Not playing Ghost Recon: Advanced Tearing online. |
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HIGHVOLTAGE
31/10/06 @ 19:52
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JediMasterMalik
31/10/06 @ 20:03
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PRT? You mean PFT right?
BSG really is an amzing show, but again you need to be able to see the broader message to appreciate it. Lost is great in the way the charcters are explored, though the main story is a bit dodgy, still great though. |
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absolutezero
31/10/06 @ 20:22
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Jedi you really gotta stop patronising people by trying to intone that they simply don't understand the more subtle parts of the story.
"You don't like the story well then its quite obvious that you did'nt understand it, because your stupid. Otherwise you would have been amazed by the amazing writing. Yes." Or you know, they might just not like the story, despite how well its written. |
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JediMasterMalik
31/10/06 @ 20:32
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I'm not talking about the FF story, I haven't played the game, I'm just saying that certain stories require a bit of thinking to get the whole point. I'm not talking in particular to anyone at all. I'mnot saying that anyone who doesn't like the story is retarded, I fully accept they may simply not like it, but I just think that games are too transparent nowadays, and hope this will be slightly different.
If I offended anyone I apologise. |
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I don't want do be patronizing, but the hyperbole in this article is quite ridiculous. So, the game made "a giant, shocking leap of faith" and was "remodelled into a new, exciting form", by "creators whose intent is to tear the cloth up and find out what new thing can be stitched together from the remnants", just because the battle system now (the shock!) doesn't have random battles and (OMG!) has the battles in the world, instead of using a separate screen?
Gee, I never heard of an RPG that has something like that! They truly revolutionized gaming!
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JediMasterMalik
31/10/06 @ 21:02
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@marilena - how else could they have changed the FF series. Making it a 1st person action RPG?
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Jedi, I definitely think they made a good choice in changing the battle system. My problem is with the article's suggestion that this is a huge leap of faith, a revolution etc. It's actually the standard system for PC role-playing games and has also been done on consoles by KOTOR and possibly a few other games.
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JediMasterMalik
31/10/06 @ 21:17
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But for SE this is a huge leap, their user base doesn't know of these titles, and if they do may not like them. To do this to such a hugely popular series IS a huge gamble, especially when most don't complain about the series becoming stale, unlike something like RE, which was starting to grate before it's reinvigoration. And the gambit system differentiates this from KOTOR completely, aswell as the character development, world, and story in general. (at least so it seems)
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I understand what you're saying and I agree that it took some courage to make this change, but I still think that the introduction to the article is a massive exaggeration. It's just too grandiose, when it should have simply said "well, they finally ditched the random battles, good on them".
It's maybe a matter of taste. |
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peak_performance
31/10/06 @ 21:33
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I'm still doubtful. Though I really don't care. It's just that japanese writing, with VERY few exceptions, tend to be just the same shit in different clothing. I don't see this as being any different. In exactly what way is it supposed to be mature? No, I haven't played the game, just inquiring about it.
@Rambaldi: "Turn based gameplay is for games workshop whores. So there." Yes, because we all know how much strategy there is in real-time combat ... |
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Lex_Luthor
31/10/06 @ 21:42
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"Walshicus, what's bullshit?"
The fact a game in a series he's been trolling pretty much since he signed on here got such a high mark I'm betting. He'll be back with another troll about how Bioware is the best RPG maker in the world any time now I'll bet. Great game anyhow. Possibly not a 10 in my book, but very good nonetheless.
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Jedi, I definitely think they made a good choice in changing the battle system. My problem is with the article's suggestion that this is a huge leap of faith, a revolution etc. It's actually the standard system for PC role-playing games and has also been done on consoles by KOTOR and possibly a few other games.
Changing the gameplay formula that's been set in stone for a series in over 20 years is HUGE just like how RE4 changed the camera angle it's your run of the mill 3rd person shooter right? The article wasn't preaching like the battle system was the second coming of christ for RPG's, just the second coming of christ for Final Fantasy, just like Resident Evil. Plus it's setup the delightful looking battle system for FFXIII which i'm just anxiously waiting to hear more info about. Need to get my hands on FF12 forst though. I'm still a bit anxious about the battle system personally because that plus the story progression just made me not enjoy KOTR in the slightest. :/ |
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this review brought a tear to my eye, no joke (ok adimttedly i just got back from pub!) This is the first /game/ to give me that pang of emotion and craving that i haven't felt since FFIX... i can't wait for it to arrive next week and thank god squenix haven't 'done a sony' and made it illegal to import their games from the US ¬¬
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bunglebonce
31/10/06 @ 22:26
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I agree with marilena's point of view. It's about time that the FF series ditched some of its more famous but horribly archaic gameplay mechanics. It's a step in the right direction and the review in general I think will convince me to make my first RPG purchase in a while (not including Kingdom Hearts), but it I don't think it should be celebrated the way is has been. It had to be done and not before time.
I think I may be making the same point when we see a proper next-gen Pro Evolution Soccer. Hopefully it will get rid of some of the mechanics it has over-used by at least 4 iterations. But I think when it does it will be heralded as the greatest sports game ever, which I hope will be merited on the other more dynamic aspects of the game. |
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JediMasterMalik
31/10/06 @ 22:32
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Stop talking about random turned based battles as if they NEEDED to be changed, they didn't. The game would have done fine without the change, which is why it's gettiong praise for the change. You know there are millions of gamers who actually like the random turn based battles, it's not something which everyone hates or thinks needs to be gotten rid of.
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Derblington
31/10/06 @ 23:31
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I wasn't expecting it to get a 10! I don't get on with FF games but I tried this and love it. The GF better import it for my birthday next week...
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"Stop talking about random turned based battles as if they NEEDED to be changed, they didn't. The game would have done fine without the change, which is why it's getting praise for the change. You know there are millions of gamers who actually like the random turn based battles, it's not something which everyone hates or thinks needs to be gotten rid of."
THis is why I'm also very much looking forward to Lost Odyssey, which could be perhaps seen as the next 'true' Final Fantasy game... . But i'd still love to play FFXII, why not enjoy both sides of the coin?
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PE was real time too .... how people seem to be stuck "Square only made Final Fantasy" mode.
And with tbe exception of FF X all FF were real time, they simply changed the presentation with just show how people take style over subtance. And for FF XIII ... from what I read that team hated FF XII system and will go back to the classic system, sorry but the gambit system just turns the game into "watch mode" and the next step beyond would be just seeing the game playing by itself. |
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bunglebonce
01/11/06 @ 00:04
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Stop talking about random turned based battles as if they NEEDED to be changed, they didn't. The game would have done fine without the change, which is why it's gettiong praise for the change. You know there are millions of gamers who actually like the random turn based battles, it's not something which everyone hates or thinks needs to be gotten rid of.
Stop talking as if you ARE the sovereign authority on this. I can count at least four times in my post where I put forward that it is my opinion. We'll just have to see if millions of gamers don't like turn based battles. |
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I can't really make a recommendation unless you can say what it was you hated about FFX, since I don't know if it's something that has changed - I have to say, I was a huge fan of FFX personally, although I don't consider it to be in quite the same league as this game. A lot has changed, though, and I do believe that a lot of people who didn't like FF before now will warm to this instalment in the series.
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darkphoenix
01/11/06 @ 01:42
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Great game, but the lack of a 480p option makes it unplayable in a big plasma or lcd display.
A shame that SE stills lives in the 90s... Never a 10/10. |
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What I hated about FFX? Hmm, the whole 'feel' of it just irritated me; the cardboard characters, cheesy plot, forgettable locations and complete lack of a world map, it just felt so utterly bland.
If those things have changed then count me in! But from the praise heaped on FFX I fear they are greatly subjective. |
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Canadian_Mike
01/11/06 @ 04:18
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" darkphoenix
01-Nov-06 01:42:06 Great game, but the lack of a 480p option makes it unplayable in a big plasma or lcd display." Naw, the game is pretty good as far as aliasing goes. It holds up good on a big screen. Although theres no 480p support (i know i was pissed too) there is widescreen support (yay!!) and an option called "Flicker Filter" that helps smooth things out quite a bit, don't ask me why theres an option to turn it on or off, it makes quite a difference on and you'll want toleave it. ...like i said the game is looking beautiful on my 42 inch plasma. Don't be scared. |
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peak_performance
01/11/06 @ 05:56
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@Scimarad: "As opposed to excellent plots and characterization in western RPGs you mean? :-)
Don't mention Planescape, that was a fluke!" Nah, western RPGs tend to be pretty standard as well. Doesn't make the jap counterparts any better, though. They tend to be even more on the cliche side of things :P |
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