F1 2002 Comments by Tom Bramwell

How come Gestalt didn't review this...? Anyway, speaking as a reviewer and a consumer, this game is pure shit. Honest.

Good job you don't review games for Eurogamer Skal ;)

Good job you don't review games for Eurogamer Skal ;)

Honestly, as a reviewer it's my duty to evaluate and give an opinion about games. Seriously, this game is not even close to be worth the money, I gave it 4/10 when I did my review.

I take it your review was a little less... uh, concise?

I've got enough racing games for the moment on my xbox...
I finaly received my costumer reward pack yesterday.
But it did take them bloody ages to get it here.
Someone in Hampshire miswrote my adres or something.
They misspelled the streetname and forgot the housenumber :/
Maybe they asume that xbox owners are so rich they own the entire streets or something.
It got fedexed back to hampshire, and then finaly back here...
I did get the two games I asked for, project gotham and munch's oddysee, wich both are great, at least so far.
Project gotham isn't that great graphicaly, at least the tracks aren't.
And munch is downright fun to play, at least if you liked the precious oddworld games.

FeZZ, PGR gets better the more you put into it, I just really enjoy spinning around London in, say, the Mini.

But as racers go, Rallisport is probably up there with the best. I really wanted EA's F1 game to be the nuts, because this was good on the PS2. Then again, I'd rather spent that money on Moto GP at the moment TBH.

Yeah I've got RSC, but gotham seems like fun to play with some mates, but for now I'm mostly crashing into the scenery.

Hmmm, splitscreen Rallisport is good, mate popped in for a cuppa and four hours later we were still playing the game!

Lets just say he wasn't Mr Popular with the missus when he got home.

Not played PGR multiplayer, ain't that odd. Mates over tonight, might dig that one out.

...oh and if you're crashing lots, pick the Mini to start with, it's a bit more forgiving.

F1 2002 suffers at the hands of incessant slowdown

This is not really on, is it? EA can hardly have omitted to test the game properly(?), so why didn't someone say sacrifice a bit of the graphic detail for speed?

PGR is truly great, specially when you drive through cone-gates to collect kudos points. A game to test your driving skills to the fullest. It gets a lot better when you start unlocking new cars and tracks. Not the masterpiece RSC is, but still kick ass.

Do you write for a website, Skalman? Are you allowed to give the URL (as in, will it upset Gestalt and co). There must be a swedish to english translatng site somewhere.

EA's F1 is all about speed, first and foremost. When this came out on the PS2 it killed the Sony version. So to have framerate issues kills the spirit of the game IMO.

Get and review the PC version mugs. It's physics modelling & tweakability is far more complex than GP4.

J00 xb0x f4nb0yz ;)

Do you write for a website, Skalman? Are you allowed to give the URL (as in, will it upset Gestalt and co). There must be a swedish to english translatng site somewhere.

Now I write for the Swedish section of GameReactor which is scandinavias number one multiformat gaming site. But when I reviewed F1 2k2 I wrote for TVspel.nu (translated Consolegaming.now) . My main gripes was the bad framerate, awful trial-system, less then impressive sound and the fact that the graphics was nothing like it was shown by the official screens that was released from EA.

When the game works, the steering is good and I liked to have two options of steering.

Cool, thanks, Skalman. I shall have a mooch around.

Cant stand F1 games. cant stand F1.

Rallisport is still the game that sits on top of my pile of games. that and SSXT.

Why do u hate World Cup SSOOOO MUCH ??? I know i maybe a tad bias, but i really didnt think it was that bad for a first outing?

Ah ha, the free games make sense now.

LOL.

They are not intended as bribes i assure u ;)

I agree with skalmanxl. This is one of the worst games I have ever played, the main thing that kills it is the frame rate. It renders the game into an unplayable mess when it rains, and even with no weather effects most of the tracks slow down to a crawl when a few cars are on-screen at once. F1-2001 on the PS2 is much better; it may be a buggy POS, but at least it has some playability.
No flames please I am only comparing games, NOT games systems.

Bonanza - the shit you just wrote is the perfect example of why an "ignore unregistered posters" function was added.

Don't like the reviews? Bugger off to somewhere MCV recommends.

GP4 is bugged to buggery as far as I can tell. And that was during a brief 10 minute go on it...

:oO

"consoles aren't made for simulation games and F1 must be played in a way that the cars are difficult to handle"

That's wrong on just so many levels...

consoles aren't made for simulation

Bonanza - Read this interview and try to open your eyes a bit.

PS - if anyone wants to check out some of the forums on the US-based Firing Squad site, they're so full of fanboy flamedom it's funny. In particular, anything to do with "poor XBox sales" is a hoot. I'd love to see MCV review this!

Edit: a fine example:

"Really, your problem is that you cannot grasp the logic. That’s ok. I know you have a limited
amount of real world experience, living in your
parent’s basement and all. It’s not your fault.
You can not be blamed for the fact that your blood
line was most likely contaminated 3 centuries ago
by an ancestor who mated with a 4 legged animal of
bovine origin, starting the genetic decline which
culminated in your birth!"

twat alert.

anyho, beeman u r very right indeed. i only found that out the other day when i had a go of the ps2 version and went, cool....slipstream!! then my brain clicked in and went... hmm didnt see that in the xbx version....

"Edit: a fine example"

LOL! Well, you can bet what the quote will be in MCV if they re-review our site now. ;)

The fact that EA has included 4-wheel-independent physics is being let unnoticed.

Maybe because he didn't notice it? :-)

All the realism in the world doesn't make up for the fact that the game is apparently plagued by slow framerates. We're constantly told XBox is the most powerful games console in the world (yadda yadda), but EA couldn't make the game run at a decent speed? It just implies poor implementation and a lack of quality control.

As much as realism is a real bonus in a game, at the end of the day, they're meant to be fun to play. GT3 is realistic to a point, but remains a fun game to play for those of us who want to race, not spend hours tweaking suspension parameters.

Eurogamer isn't burning down F1-2002 for no reason - the score isn't a bad one! And I'm sure it will sell fairly well no matter what reviewers say, because it's got an "EA Sports" badge on it - and that means "quality", doesn't it??? :-P

"In the F1-gaming community it's very obvious that GP4 is an unfinished version of a small GP3 update and that F12002 is the best F1 game currently available"

Strangely enough, the one dedicated F1 gaming site I've checked recently had a glowing review of GP4. And it's all very well talking about the PC version of F1 2002, but this is a review of the Xbox game. Unusually for EA, there are actually differences between the two. The fact is that both Tom and me tried F1 2002, and neither of us thought it was *that* good.

No, we don't spend our whole lives playing F1 games, but Tom's a veteran of the Grand Prix series and I've been playing F1 games on and off since the days of Revs on the BBC Micro.

So this wasn't a review of F1 2002, but a review of the XBox version of F1 2002.

and thats why the first line of text reads "XBox Review" right at the top of the page.

So this wasn't a review of F1 2002, but a review of the XBox version of F1 2002.

There's a very obvious response to that comment...

Seriously, I'm fully prepared to accept that the PC version would be better than the XBox (you've got a more powerful machine for starters), but that would be a whole different story. And review. By all acounts, the XBox version is not that fantastic.

bonanza, if u dont like the site, or the reviews then theres a very very simple answer.....

Bonanza, how the F did you fail to notice the X next to the title on the front page, the X and XBox thingy in the review's upper corner _and_ the text "XBox Review"? XBox owners probably don't give a flying F about how good it is on a PC if it sucks on the XBox. You insult them by saying that they should buy PC games instead.

Wait a minute, I don't like the MSBox. Ah, go right ahead, sir.

"I'm a regular visitor and I like your site a lot, but criticism isn't forbidden"

Constructive criticism is always welcome. In this case though I think it's a bit misplaced. Yes, we are an all-formats site, but this review is of the Xbox version of the game and clearly marked as such. It wasn't intended to cover the PS2 and PC versions of the game.

Unfortunately as we have a relatively small editorial staff we're often unable to review games across multiple platforms, as we'd rather focus on covering as many seperate games as possible instead of trying to review every version of one game.

One-track mind? [Fired again! -Ed]

Mugwum you cheeky little... ;)

Having tested a code of GP4 of Xbox I can honestly say that the game humiliates EA's F12002.

Gestalt, you need some monkeys mate. 1000 Monkeys with 1000 PCs writing 1000 game reviews. Maybe you could get more done then. I assume that's how it works with mouse right? He just hammers the keyboard all week and you see if anything he's written has made sense.

I jest of course. I think Toca race driver will be the racing game of the year. Foaming at the mouth waiting for that.

Ha monkeys
Is there anything they can't do ?

Anyone want to swap a monkey for the PS2 thats been gathering dust under my TV? Proboscis prefeered, no marakeets coz they're bad tempered little buggers.

Ill throw some extra cash your way if youve trained the little fella to drive me to work.

I'm a regular visitor and I like your site a lot

Then register a username.

"I rather play on a console with a 32 inche TV lying on a sofa"

Your 32 inch TV is lying on your sofa? ;-)

Startled, I can do you two stuffed monkeys for a PS2 if that's any good, I need all my live ones though.

Cant you get your live ones to get up to some, err, "monkey business" and Ill have the offspring? Im preparded to wait the gestation period for a servicable simian.

Id look wierd enough sat in the pub chatting to one stuffed monkey, let alone two. Sorry mate.

"Then register a username."
That's what I did and I don't even post that much. It did give a me a warm fuzzy feeling inside though.

Erm F1 games....
I liked Pitstop II on the C64. Does that count?

What's an X-Box worth? Are we talking apes here?
Oh great here come the gibbon fanboyz

I actually think monkeys own apes any day.

Except in real life.

So how is that different to playing with a steering wheel on a console?

If I had to choose a drinking partner, Id probably go for the ape I suppose. For pure mischevious hell raising ability and outright cheek, a monkey wins hands down.

Either way, there simply arnt enough of them running wild around The Hague causing chaos and hurling cats.

there simply arnt enough of them running wild around The Hague

There's a hilariously topical witticism lurking in there somewhere involving the International Criminal Court, the US military and the American Servicemembers' Protection Act, but I can't be bothered to winkle it out.

What about monkeys playing Super Monkey Ball....

I use the same wheel for PS2 and PC playing. God bless Logitech.

Anyone want to swap a monkey for the PS2 thats been gathering dust under my TV?

There's a coincidence! I've got a monkey that's been gathering dust under my TV! I couldn't figure out where to plug in the SCART lead, so he's just been sitting there. I think we may be able to sort out a deal here