Championship Manager Season 01/02 Comments by Tom Bramwell

Anyone know how well this has sold (xbox) so far ?

(Sigh) good to see the power of the X-Box being put to good use then. There it is, can shift millions of polys per second and they use it to run a glorified footy spreadsheet package.

Peej

Whaaaat? This got rated higher than Halo?

You... wait a minute, this is an Xbox game. Hmmm.

How can this get a better score than Halo!!!!!!!!!!

Exc3l Fanb0yz

It's the best footy game on XBOX and you can't play footy, nnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooo. Dam you Microsoft, bastards.

(Sigh) good to see the power of the X-Box being put to good use then. There it is, can shift millions of polys per second and they use it to run a glorified footy spreadsheet package.

It makes a change to the rest of the 3D shite churned out on consoles these days.

Anyone know how well this has sold (xbox) so far ?
It's number 8 in the Xbox Top 10 according to Charttrack, how well that means in actual sales I don't know.

Xbox version runs on the PC equivalent of a minimum database...

will the new season be on a cheap update cd?

I doubt it, considering CM4 is due out at Xmas...

Will CM4 see the infamous online functionality? I've not been keeping up with CM4 for quite some time now, so if anyone has any tidbits on what we're likely to see.. fire away.

Dont worry. This game will never come close to Halos sales numbers.

I can't be arsed to look it up but I will eat my daughter's soiled nappies if Halo has sold half as many copies as CM in the UK (or even Europe as a whole).

It's supposedly going to be a lot quicker online, probably some dedicated servers along the lines of Sky Sports Manager. Sneaky feeling that there will be some sort of subscription based model as well...

"I will eat my daughter's soiled nappies if Halo has sold half as many copies as CM in the UK"

I hope you mean across all formats, because if you're just talking about the Xbox you're going to be having a pretty stinky dinner. ;)

yeah I meant all formats obviously :)

Bet you this would've sold better on PS2 - I mean it's the console MADE for the Beer and Footie brigade. The X-Box is more for sandal-wearing ex-Amiga fans with more money than sex appeal.

Peej

The X-Box is more for sandal-wearing ex-Amiga fans with more money than sex appeal

Ho ho ho! They're gonna kill you peej! But you made me laugh. ;-)

"Bet you this would've sold better on PS2"

i'll ignore the other comment...

but it would be so slow on the PS2 it doesn't have pure power that the xbox does it would make the PS2 look puny you can cover up the xbox's better graphics but cm is pure power which the ps2 doesn't have very much of :(

but it would be so slow on the PS2 it doesn't have pure power that the xbox

It would be slow on PS2 because of the CD access (instead of hard drive) and hence probably not feasible. 'Pure Power' has nothing at all to do with it - the Xbox and PS2 aren't that different in terms of processing, especially on a game like this where there are no flashy graphics.

but it would be so slow on the PS2 it doesn't have pure power that the xbox does it would make the PS2 look puny you can cover up the xbox's better graphics but cm is pure power which the ps2 doesn't have very much of :(

Smiggs, that's pure conjecture. Frankly, I'm not sure if it's well known nor if it is indeed a fair comparison between the Xbox's CPU and that of the PS2. I haven't really looked into the specifics, but I would bet this can of coke next to me at the very least that the PS2's 300mhz RISC processor is hardly a slouch.

`Super Stu' Frankly, I'm not sure if it's well known nor if it is indeed a fair comparison between the Xbox's CPU and that of the PS2. I haven't really looked into the specifics, but I would bet this can of coke next to me at the very least that the PS2's 300mhz RISC processor is hardly a slouch

Have you had your PS2 clocked up last i heard the PS2 clocked at 295mhz. And the reason why the PS2 can't handle Champ Manager is that it doesn't have a hard drive yet to store the fast amount of data.

Doh! Ever wish you hadn't said anything.

Good point, that happy X-Box owner who claimed poverty. I mean there are cheaper hobbies aren't there, like collecting faberge' eggs, investing in Victoria Beckham's pop career, betting on England to win the world cup....

Heh I'm such a beeeatch!

Peej

Successfully knocking one out is not the same as sex appeal, jaa...

Yeah well he appeals to himself. It's a start.

Its ironic Amiga ment 'Girlfriend'.. the closest most amiga owners ever got to a real one :)

no wait, i had an amiga... erm... forget that.

jaa: I don't know you but I already have a picture of quite a studly chap in my head? a/s/l? ;-)

"Of course, a lot of women find that attractive"

They do?? Where are they? :(

"And the reason why the PS2 can't handle Champ Manager is that it doesn't have a hard drive yet to store the fast amount of data."

Champ manager is so good a sim precisely because the players database changes and the game is affected by those changes, without a harddrive to store those changes any version you played would be a lobotmised shell of the actual game.

you're a married man too, otto - with a small child and all

must be why I don't notice them then :P

"Bet you this would've sold better on PS2"

When/if the hardrive comes out for PS2 over here they're planning a port. Would be a big market, but pretty pointless if the hardrive is gonna be something like £200. A cm/hardrive package for £100 would be a fairly smart move.

"In other news, Xbox has outsold GameCube in Japan for the second week in a row."

Although sadly about 1/10th the number of that really old, pathetic and quickly fading console with it's piss poor graphics, the PS2. Or Gameboy probably.

Scum, I was being sarcastic.

Give the guy a break, he's American. ;)

"The other day we talked about accurate player statistics in Pro Evolution Soccer, but Championship Manger is so thoroughly researched that even in small-print the list of contributors is longer than my arm"

You do realise that the stats in PES are taken from CM?

"Xbox is outselling GC in Japan"

I think it did for one or two weeks, but either just before or just after that it only sold a few hundred units and was getting drubbed by the Wonderswan (oh the indignity). Japanese charts are weird - they all come out at wildly different times, so you might get a chart from one source for last week, and then a couple of days later another one pops up for some time in the middle of May. :-/ Tends to be confusing, so always make sure to check which week the chart is actually for.

This week, sales were at 5,700 for XB and GC about 5400.

Still crap though, isn't it?

Anyone up for verifying this?

They are correct, that was the week before the Xbox got a price cut i Japan.

XBox 834

I'm guessing that's the 834 people who hadn't heard that the price was dropping the week after. :-)

Actually I think this is a good article on the fundamental design differences between the PS2 and Xbox (which bascially shares PC design principles).

It has good reason's for Sony motivations about designing the PS2 in the way it has been designed.

Whereas IMO the Anandtech article simply seems to diss the PS2 because it isn't a PC and because its a different architecture.

He says that the PS2 doesn't have enough cache, but he's still thinking too much IMO about how the way a PC works. The PS2 has a fundamentally difference design approach and if you look at it from a PC perspective it won't work. Here's an analogy:

Xbox = big buckets (cache) and smaller pipes (bus sizes).

PS2 = small buckets but incredibly large pipes

The Ars-technica article does have examples of how the PS2 should be used, boiling down to the fact that the PS2 has bandwidth to burn, but not internal cache.

"When/if the hardrive comes out for PS2 over here they're planning a port."

I bet you, that what they are actually doing is not planning a port and are actually busy doing the next proper version of champinship manager. There would be no point to doing a port for the hd until it had sufficient numbers or until sony gave them a big bag of money.

"...I appreciate the fact that you try to defend the XBox against slander here--as this place is full of uninformed or anti-Xbox/MS opinions..."

I couldn't agree more.

"...There's so many people stuck so far up Nintendo's ass on these boards that it's ridiculous..."

Again, I couldn't agree more.

Nice to see that this board in not entirely 'owned'.

Cheers,

England Team news -

Butt in for vassel, and Heskey pushed up front. Beckham plays.

Here we go !

Can England give us what we really, really want ?

Live online coverage of the World Cup here - apparently... ^_^

Any bets?

1:2 me says (no flattery included)

edit: good live-ticker: http://sl.sports.com/en/

ingerland!

Hey you'll get no anti-XBOX stuff from me, I'm anti-everything that's a rip off!

And right now the X-Box is!

Peej

My congratulations go out to our fish 'n' chips eating fellows.

Woohoo!

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w00t belongs to gamers the world over. It seems to have been derived from the obselete 'whoot' which essentially is another way to say 'hoot' which itself is a shout or derisive laugh. But others maintain that w00t is the sound several players make while jumping like bunnies in Quake III. Still others want you to believe that it comes from the phrase 'wow loot' used in multiplayer RPGs many moons ago. Fiction or fact? I suppose you'll just have to decide what 'w00t!' means to you...

Noooooo.. we won :*( when will this torture stop