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"Quite normal" to sing the Qur'an - artist News

PlayStation 3 News by Oli Welsh

21 October, 2008

Speaking to the BBC's News at Ten TV programme, Toumani Diabate, the Malian singer of the music track that has caused the delay to LittleBigPlanet's release, has defended his lyrics.

The game was recalled from retailers worldwide last week so that the song could be removed. It features two lines that directly quote the Islamic holy text, the Qur'an, the inclusion of which Sony feared might offend some Muslims.

Diabate, a Muslim himself, doesn't see the problem. "It's quite normal to play music and be inspired by the words of the prophet Mohammed," he told the BBC. "It's my way to attract and inspire people towards Islam."

The BBC report noted that the track was "widely available" through other channels.

However, Sony wasn't prepared to take any risks. "We wanted to eradicate the possibility of the game falling into the hands of the somebody who may deem the music track offensive," Sony Computer Entertainment Europe spokesman Jonathan Fargher told the News at Ten.

The BBC canvassed Muslim community groups on the issue, and they took varying positions.

"Muslims believe the Qur'an to be the actual word of God... If it were to be used in a commercial way, that would upset and cause offence and hurt to many, many Muslims," said Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra of the Muslim Council of Britain.

"The number of stakeholders in the offence industry has just grown and grown and grown. Everybody gets offended about everything," countered Yasmin Alibhai-Brown of British Muslims for Secular Democracy.

The BBC's reporter, home editor Mark Easton, drew a parallel with the controversy Sony faced last year over the appearance of Manchester Cathedral as a battleground in Resistance: Fall of Man, something that offended many in the Church of England. However, in that instance, the game was not withdrawn.

But he concluded that corporations were no longer prepared to take financial risks on religious issues.

"In an increasingly globalised world, people feel more anxious that their their identity will be lost in some corporate, multicultural soup," Easton said. "But the same forces that they think threaten their individuality also give them the power to fight for things they hold dear."

He cited the fatwa declared on author Salman Rushdie, the violence over Muslim cartoons in the Dutch press, and Christian protests at Jerry Springer The Opera as events that had changed the landscape for companies. "Now even the most powerful multinationals choose to steer clear of religious backlash," Easton said.

"Some will see it as political correctness gone mad, others as refreshing corporate sensitivity. But Sony's decision has more to do with hard-headed business."

It's an interesting report. You can view it on the BBC iPlayer; the report starts just over 15 minutes into the programme.

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Spanky
21/10/08 @ 11:07
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Surely Muslims shouldn't be playing games other than tetris anyway as the depiction of living creatures in art/games/comics etc is actually prohibited under sharia law.
Dizzy
21/10/08 @ 11:07
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Nice marketing trick ;)
HarryPalmer
21/10/08 @ 11:08
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What a farce.
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21/10/08 @ 11:08
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They just didn't want to lose the sales to those who might be offended. That's all, just business.

Oh, and of course, it's a nice marketing trick.
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trebell
21/10/08 @ 11:10
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the more i see, the more i think this is suspicious. Great way to attract huge amounts of attention to a little known (outside of the hardcore) game.

It is deserving of the sales it will now get though.
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Redeye
21/10/08 @ 11:11
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Were Sony's marketing division rubbing their hands with glee at all the free publicity?

*strokes chin*

Kyle
21/10/08 @ 11:13
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At least it's better than The Sun's take on the whole thing.
PameBoy
21/10/08 @ 11:14
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oh for fuck's sake

I'm going to call my sackboy Mohammed
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21/10/08 @ 11:15
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"We wanted to eradicate the possibility of the game falling into the hands of the somebody who may deem the music track offensive,""

Pussy.

Seriously, since when do 2 or so morons dictate the content of many.

I think they are going to have a hell of a time eradicating all the swastika's and islam references form user generated content.

At least the game is terrific.
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ruttyboy
21/10/08 @ 11:16
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You'd have to be pissed off if you a hardline Christian though wouldn't you, the two examples (Manchester Cathedral and Jerry Springer) they were told to get stuffed, but if Mumra is involved everybody runs scared. The Christians need to start burning effigies and 'stuff' to get some proper respect. That or just wake the fuck up and realise it's not the Middle Ages anymore.
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21/10/08 @ 11:17
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"The number of stakeholders in the offence industry has just grown and grown and grown. Everybody gets offended about everything," countered Yasmin Alibhai-Brown of British Muslims for Secular Democracy.

/Applauds

mingster
21/10/08 @ 11:18
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As mentioned in the other thread....
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Razorus
21/10/08 @ 11:20
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The artist is right, there was no offence here, but it was a good move on Sony's part because some Muslims would surely find an excuse to cause a fuss. As long as someone is using the Qur'anic verses to paint a positive picture, or not use it for profitable gain, then that's ok. Also, let's not beat around the bush here. The Manchester Cathedral thing is not the same issue. Many games depict religious sites, sometimes destroyed. It's done in films too. The major difference here is that Muslims are much more vocal about being offended and people are generally more afraid of Muslims than Christians. I should know; I am a Muslim.
Which leads me to my next point which is aimed at Spanky. No, those so-called "laws" are ridiculous. I have a book written by an extremist Muslim cleric which states that a human is forbidden from playing Chess against a computer controlled opponent. Something about the CPU not having a soul, or whatever. Another "law" states that Muslims are not allowed to listen to ANY music unless it is religious chanting. This is all bullshit, written by a minority of crazy zealots. I'm a good Muslim and I can live in a Western society just fine, so please ignore those crazy extremists. I don't think Prophet Muhammed played Gears of War or anything, so all these rules are useless.
wattoo
21/10/08 @ 11:23
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He did, but apparently he couldn't get past level 2.
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21/10/08 @ 11:23
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that most 'normal', i.e. mainstream Muslims would have no problem with this.

Those that would be offended are the minority who probably wouldn't realise they had anything new to be offended about until a lazy journalist desperate to for another story that paints all Muslims as bigoted knee-jerk radicals tells them what a video game is.

Just a thought.

/is an atheist
Darren
21/10/08 @ 11:27
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So this Muslim who recorded the song says it's OK to use words from the Qur'an because it's his faith and he feels it inspires people toward Islam?

While I may not share his faith or any other religion for that matter, I think this guy at least is talking sense because isn't that why people sing Christmas songs or other religious songs? They celebrate their beliefs through song. I don't see what's wrong with it.

So who is telling the truth then? Is it forbidden to use words from the Qur'an in music... or is it a case of certain people like him bending the rules? And why hasn't the Muslim community approached Toumani Diabate and told him off for being a very, very naughty boy?

Perhaps the real problem is that Islam needs to change and be made more flexible, perhaps that way more people would embrace it. The way I see it as it stands it is just not appropriate to our western way of life at all, especially if what Spanky says is true. The impression I get is that devoted Muslims must lead very dull lives by our standards... you cannot do this, you cannot do that, blah, blah, blah! Eurgh! It really makes me so glad I'm not religious really... :?
Spanky
21/10/08 @ 11:27
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But Razorus, not trying to be funny but the whole basis of islamic art is based on the principles of not depicting living creatures. It's nothing new, i'm told it's actually stated in the Qur'an(can't confirm, i'll never read it). If anything you're the progressive here but alas i think you are in a minority globally.
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21/10/08 @ 11:32
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Sorry Razorus, but for me it is the same issue, that of people being 'offended on grounds of religious sensibility' and the reaction to it. It doesn't actually matter why and how the offence is caused (as Religion abandons logic as a matter of course), merely that people feel it, but the difference in reaction to the (IMO unreasonable demands) of the various religions is telling.

As you say, the seemingly greater respect that is paid to Islam is certainly linked to fear as thankfully (in this country anyway) Christians are just not seen as dangerous whereas Muslims are. Whether that is the reality is irrelevant as it is only a perception.
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jonsaan
21/10/08 @ 11:32
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How many thousands of Muslim themed derogatory levels will be created within a week of launch? How will Sony handle that?
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21/10/08 @ 11:35
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I'm glad that I'm an atheïst, it's like what Hans Teeuwen said, religious extremist think they have a monopoly on the truth.
In the end no matter what you do, say, publish it will offend someone. So who cares.....



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21/10/08 @ 11:37
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Did everyone see that South Park episode where they remove all christian references at chistmas time, in case they offend non-christians?

It's scary how close to the truth that episode is... Political correctness will be the death of society.
anomagnus
21/10/08 @ 11:39
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shamboilic climb down by sony

probably afraid of being blown up, or a repeat of the whole dutch newspaper event
septimus
21/10/08 @ 11:40
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Religion FTL.

-edit- Oh and music is supposedly against the word of islam. It can cause emotions that aren't deemed appropriate supposedly.
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21/10/08 @ 11:43
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Of course it is ok to sing the Qu'ran. Have no one heard the prayers?

On another note: "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

Pulp Fiction recall confirmed!
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21/10/08 @ 11:44
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That's not from the Qu'aran. It's not even from the Bible.
FrankCannon
21/10/08 @ 11:47
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Yawn.
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21/10/08 @ 11:47
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"BBC's News at Ten"?

News at Ten is the one on ITV, you know, The one that prioritises stories about Britney Spears and Madonna.

Try "BBC's Ten O'Clock News"
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21/10/08 @ 11:52
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"Can't believe how many people have been stressing out that they are atheists here in the last few days. Who cares? It's not like that makes you better people. In the end it's just another believe-system."

Can't speak for all atheists but in my case it's because of misconceptions like the one expressed by you. Atheism isn't "just another believe-system" because believe has nothing to do with it. Atheism is about a world view based on verifiable facts. This facilitates rational discussion, something religion does not because of its dogmas (non-disputable non-facts).

As for whether atheists are better people than religious people, I don't think you can say that in general terms. Though atheists for example tend to be better educated on average than religious people. Personally, but this is rather philosophical, I think it's better to do good because one rationally determines one must do good than to do good because one imagines some sumpreme being instructs him/her to do so.
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21/10/08 @ 11:53
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@SliderNL

being an atheïst makes you a communist :). don't blame me, I was in bali earlier this year and it specifically said in the travel guide book, if asked what religion you belong to, don't ever say you are an atheïst.
Indonesia is mostly muslim, althoug bali is buddhist I think. well, I am a catholic on paper.
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21/10/08 @ 11:53
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oh Jesus Christ, opp's, (sorry Christians) what a load of rubbish (sorry bin men), people really need to grow up (sorry old/young people) and get a grip (sorry amputees).
Darren
21/10/08 @ 11:54
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SliderNL - Yeah, I share your view too.

As an non-religious person, I feel that the concept of religion, any religion that is, is an archaic one and it doesn't fit in with my modern scientific view of the world. It quite often doesn't make sense since it was written thousands of years ago before man understood how the world worked. And it is based purely on faith, a belief in something that may or may not exist. Faith cannot be disproven or proven, it's an anomaly as far as I'm concerned. People will always believe in what they want to believe but ultimately we all die and no-one has yet come back from that "experience" to prove that God really does exist or what happens to us after that. And if God does exist by some chance then I'd like to think that he's not an egocentric that demands his creations worship him. And what makes say the Christian God more "right" than the Muslim one or vice versa. A whole load of people are going to die and suddenly realise that they've spent their entire lives praying to a "false" god... how do we know which is the "right" one? LOL

I believe that life just is, it happens by accident and serves no real purpose. The universe just is too, no-one created it, it's always been there and always will. And if God exists then who created God? If God has a God then who created him (why is God always a man, why not a woman or an animal, etc., etc.)? When we die, I believe we just cease to exist, the opposite of what we experienced before we were born, and that's the same for every living thing on this planet whether it's an insect or animal. I also know the difference between right and wrong without a book telling me. Basically I consider myself an educated person that can think for myself.
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Les
21/10/08 @ 11:58
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"So who is telling the truth then? Is it forbidden to use words from the Qur'an in music... or is it a case of certain people like him bending the rules? And why hasn't the Muslim community approached Toumani Diabate and told him off for being a very, very naughty boy?

Perhaps the real problem is that Islam needs to change and be made more flexible, perhaps that way more people would embrace it."

The problem is in religion itself. It's not based on logic so it's impossible to have a fruitful discussion about it. Any view is defensible if logic is thrown out of the window. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong.
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21/10/08 @ 11:58
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‘D I N O S A U R S’
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21/10/08 @ 12:01
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"The number of stakeholders in the offence industry has just grown and grown and grown. Everybody gets offended about everything," countered Yasmin Alibhai-Brown of British Muslims for Secular Democracy."


I am offended by this comment. I am not in an offence "industry".
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21/10/08 @ 12:03
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One angle on all this that doesn't sit "right" with me is - how the HELL has sony managed to do a pull of all existing copies, and remaster enough replacements in a little over 2 weeks? That's a hell of an achievement.
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21/10/08 @ 12:03
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btw. has anyone actually seen the Islamic calendar lately? ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_cal...

I think that explains the reactions. Back in the good old middle ages in europe we were acting quite similar ;).
ruttyboy
21/10/08 @ 12:03
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Because Blu-ray production is scaled up enough at this point for it not to be a concern.
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21/10/08 @ 12:05
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That's violence over cartoons in the DANISH press, not Dutch. Jeeze, people don't even remember us when we act like idiots.
kelly's_h
21/10/08 @ 12:09
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I'm glad that I'm not surrounded by religious people anymore... I don't experience this nauseating WTF feeling nearly as much anymore.
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21/10/08 @ 12:18
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Very factually incorrect article..
It was the Danish cartoons.. not the Dutch.

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21/10/08 @ 12:20
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@SEVQA - Dinosaurs are creatures which God wiped out during the great flood. Everything alive in the world today was carried aboard Noah's "Tardis" Ark and saved. Obvious when you think about it.
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21/10/08 @ 12:21
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IMO the problem is the global media, most muslims in this country and europe in general are progressive, it's when the news filters over to the middle east that the shoe slapping, effigy burning nonsense starts.
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21/10/08 @ 12:27
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A couple of thoughts occur to me (an aethesist, for what its worth).

1. I can't believe some people are still suggesting this was a publicity stunt. Of course it bloody wasn't. And there ends that ridiculous discussion.

2. As an aetheist I am utterly UN-offended by this change. It confounds me how angry some gamers get about something that makes barely any different to their lives WHATSOEVER.

You have two groups of people. One is offended, the other is not. Making the correction isn't going to offend the previously unoffended group, so why not make it? Seriously, why not remove the offense if it makes no difference to anyone else? People harp on as if this change has affected their lives, but it hasn't really. Nobody is being oppressed here, save a few account managers perhaps.

If there is one thing more bloody annoying than a religeous zealot, its an aetheist zealot who has the gall (or ignorance) to assume that their particular flavour of arrogance and dogma is somehow less self serving.

Its not what you believe, its what you do. Being an aetheist isn't some kind of license to act like a bigoted cock. Aetheists acting all offended over this are just being stroppy idiot kids, because it doesn't actually make any difference does it. Doesn't it seem ironic to everyone else? I mean, isn't one of the benefits of being an aetheist that we don't get offended by stuff related to belief? Some people just like moaning I guess.
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Not really related to this whole mess, but just in response to a couple of comments about what it means to be an atheist: it's worth noting that concepts of right and wrong or good and evil are not provable, scientific things but instead are entirely dependant on your beliefs.

Ultimately everyone bases their actions on their beliefs, the only difference between religious beliefs and secular beliefs is that religious beliefs are formalised. Being an atheist doesn't make you inherently any more rational (or scientific or well educated or whatever), it just makes you rather more vague ;)

OTOH I'm agnostic and thus even vaguer... ;)
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most muslims in this country and europe in general are progressive

Oh really? And you base this on what exactly?

Wake me up when the majority of the EU's muslims OK homosexuality, interfaith relationships and view women as equals to men.
kangarootoo
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@Les

"The problem is in religion itself. It's not based on logic so it's impossible to have a fruitful discussion about it."

I know where that comment is coming from, but it does kind of imply that aetheists are always coming from a point of logic... and that is plainly nonsense. Aethesists for the most part come from the same point as people of faith, i.e. self serving and emotional meatbags with one sort of chip or another firmly lodged on their shoulder.

An aetheist is simply someone with no spiritual faith. Whether actual logic plays any part in that is rather more down to the individual.
kangarootoo
21/10/08 @ 12:30
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@Schiraman

+1
ruttyboy
21/10/08 @ 12:33
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@kangarootoo

But the change has 'offended' the 'unoffended' group by preventing them from satisying their desires, or at least delaying it. That might be a purile reason and it says a lot about the maturity and level of patience present in your average 'gamer', but it's still true.
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"Some will see it as political correctness gone mad, others as refreshing corporate sensitivity. But Sony's decision has more to do with hard-headed business."

What wonderful commentary!
kangarootoo
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Just watched the iPlayer feed.

Maybe over reaction on my part, but it seemed an odd choice of the BBC editors to use a segment of game footage showing both game characters being destroyed by an explosion (the only explosion in the clip) as a backdrop to the final phrase "fear of a religious backlash".

Coincidence I'm sure...

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