PS3 to dominate in 3-5 years, says Reeves

By Ellie Gibson Published 30 April, 2009

"It's a tortoise and hare situation."

Outgoing Sony Europe president David Reeves has said it will take the PS3 years to win the console war - but he reckons it WILL win, oh yes.

"I don't think it will be next year, but in three to five years it will become dominant on the market," he told GamesIndustry.biz.

"The legacy will be that people will see a tortoise and hare situation. In a way, in the end it will be a dead heat."

Reeves was speaking while putting his favourite pen and the framed picture of PaRappa the Rapper in a cardboard box, as today is his last day at Sony. He's been with the company since 1995 and it's been a rollercoaster ride.

"People will say PS3 took a while to get going but it really caught up very quickly and confounded many of the critics from the first year," said Reeves.

"The lasting legacy is that I took Sony Computer Entertainment through the harder years but still managed to keep PlayStation as a very prominent brand in all PAL territories, both for PlayStation 2, PSP and PlayStation 3."

It hasn't been easy, though: "Europe and PAL markets normally have to launch last and that stirs up a lot of criticism. And normally we have to launch with a currency that's quite strong and therefore the price is quite high, and again we get a lot of criticism for that... And that, in the last three to four years, has made it extremely difficult," Reeves said.

"But even so, we as a PAL market are the leading region for all of those formats, despite those difficulties."

According to Reeves things can only get better: "When I see the line-up ahead, when I see what's lined up on the new product side, I'm very, very optimistic for what I see for PlayStation's future in the PAL territories."

Look out for a special roundup of Reeves' best ever quotes on Eurogamer later today.

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  • MisterCraig #1 3 years ago

    Who cares.

  • Yossarian #2 3 years ago

    Sony, please fire your PR.

  • AphoticCosmos #3 3 years ago

    What a bleedin' idiot

    TBH in 2-5 years time the PS3 will be competing with a brand new Microsoft console. The market will have completely changed. Way to see the future, idiot . . .

    If only all marketing gurus were prescient.
    Edited by AphoticCosmos at 30/04/09 @ 10:32

  • Golgo #4 3 years ago

    Seriously, what planet is the c*** from?

  • PearOfAnguish #5 3 years ago

    Haha. They've been saying this since it launched and we've yet to see any proof. Not going to be much use selling the PS3 when MS and Nintendo have released their new hardware.

  • Razz #6 3 years ago

    "It's a tortoise and hare situation"

    LOL! You woudln't say that if you'd have seen the recent American Dad Delorean episode.

  • Dizzy #7 3 years ago

    3-5 years???? We will be in the next gen then.

    BTW Reeves... it hasn't caught up anything yet. Maybe it will win, maybe it won't but at the moment I would not put a lot of money on it TBH.

    I thought a Sony guy said that they would be dominant this year?
    Edited by Dizzy at 30/04/09 @ 10:34

  • anjin #8 3 years ago

    Excellent, thanks Mr. Reeves, now I know when to bother buying one!. Presumably in 3-5 years it'll be cheap and have enough exclusives to make it worth my while.

    Not sure thats the best plan mind, if everyone follows Mr. Reeves advice I doubt its going to dominate. . .

  • Apostle #9 3 years ago

    I agree with AphoticCosmos. In 3 - 5 years I'd like to think I'd be playing the next Xbox. Although, admittedly some PS3 games could tempt me back to the Sony console. MAG has potential, and Drakes 2 multiplayer looks very interesting.

  • alimokrane #10 3 years ago

    This makes me SOOO glad he's retiring.

  • Toothball #11 3 years ago

    He's saying the PS3 will be dominant, but that it will actually be a dead heat? And weren't many of the complaints regarding the Euro launch about the length of time between it and the US launch and that they'd removed the hardware Backwards Compatibility, rather than just about the price?

    I'm sure I'll get a PS3 one day, as there's no way I can do without whatever Team Ico are doing. There just aren't enough compelling reasons to do so at the moment. Except maybe Noby Noby Boy. I'm desperate to have that one.
    Edited by Toothball at 30/04/09 @ 10:47

  • Quint2020 #12 3 years ago

    PS3lol etc etc...

  • rotmm #13 3 years ago

    @Toothball, "And weren't many of the complaints regarding the Euro launch about the length of time between it and the US launch and that they'd removed the hardware Backwards Compatibility, rather than just about the price?""

    Yes. And this is the same David Reeves who told us that the very first PS3's to come off the production line would be headed to Europe.

    That didn't exactly turn out to be true, did it? ;)

  • youhavenomail #14 3 years ago

    So what he is actually saying is, we'll be waiting three more years for a PS3 price cut?
    Edited by youhavenomail at 30/04/09 @ 10:51

  • RobertDeZero #15 3 years ago

    @Razz +1

    That's the first thing that popped in my head after reading the quote :)

  • SBfistfun #16 3 years ago

    "in the end it will be a dead heat." but will also dominate in 3 -5 years?!

    What a tool

  • FooAtari #17 3 years ago

    Sony's PR is so tiring. Easily the worst PR department of the the hardware makers. Why do they bother making statements like these?

    As others have said In the next 2-3 years we will probably be in the next genertion. And anyway I really don't see any chance of either MS or Sony catching Nintendo in hardware sales.

    I don't own a 360 or Wii, just a PS3. But certainly not for the games. I own because it's a good BluRay player and great as a media center for streaming content from my PC. Problem is, so far, most people generally don't care about those functions.

  • Darren #18 3 years ago

    In three to five years won't the next Xbox and Wii be out, hopefully with the former being a lot more reliable that the current model and powerful enough to handle 720p for *all* games? ;)

    Despite having had the luxury of playing every single PC game I've bought at HD resolutions (as in above 720p, i.e. 1280x1024+) and framerates for over a decade with v-sync on, I'm still waiting for the consoles to deliver that same level of quality for all their games.

  • Razz #19 3 years ago

    Dunno about that. LBP, PixelJunk Eden and Wipeout HD are my most played games atm. PS3 has some brilliant games imo.

  • miiiguel #20 3 years ago

    3-5 years? Dude... wake up! there's this big recessession going on and everyone was spending like crazy less than a year ago, you guys don't know what's going to happen next week, let alone 3 to 5 years.

  • Skooch #21 3 years ago

    Sony's treatment of Europe will not be forgotten by gamers. The list of how they have exploited European gamers is almost endless...

  • chicknstu #22 3 years ago

    in 3-5 years I'd hope we'll be going into a new generation of consoles!

  • Britesparc Verified Creative, ITV #23 3 years ago

    Maybe it'll have caught up with the 360 in 3-5 years, especially as MS will have another console out by then, but it still won't have caught the Wii. Nothing will. It's EVERYWHERE!

  • Vistrix #24 3 years ago

    I wish they would stop stating the same thing over and over.

    Everyone knows the PS3 will eventually overtake the 360. Microsoft have run out of steam once again.

  • Dizzy #25 3 years ago

    You must live in a very happy rainbow world.

  • B0MBJ4CK #26 3 years ago

    "Everyone knows the PS3 will eventually overtake the 360. Microsoft have run out of steam once again."

    "I wish they would stop stating the same thing over and over. "

    There.... that's better...
    Edited by B0MBJ4CK at 30/04/09 @ 11:34

  • darkphoenix #27 3 years ago

    yeaahh, because the war starts and stops when we say so!

    stupid f*ck.

  • Spiral #28 3 years ago

    The problem with using the tortoise and hare fable is that the tortoise won because the hare was complacent, not because of any natural ability. Sony were the hare at the start of this generation, and relying on your opponent screwing up is rarely a good strategy. Hopefully they recognise this.

  • BillyBrush #29 3 years ago

    @Darren

    I wouldn't say 360 has exactly performed the worst at outputting things in proper HD

  • lambtron #30 3 years ago

    Umm, in 5 years the next xBox and Wii will have been out for quite some time...

  • Vin #31 3 years ago

    Quite frankly, astonishing scenes.

  • Dizzy #32 3 years ago

    Maybe his next job is as a candidate in The Apprentice?

  • peterfll #33 3 years ago

    I think he sees the PS3 selling well alongside the next gen Xbox \ Wii just as the existing PS2 has continued to sell well in the past coupld of years. That's my intepretation.

    However, whether I agree with him or not........

  • BBIAJ #34 3 years ago

    @Darren:

    I'll think you'll find that it is the PStriple that has failed to offer true HD more so than the 360.

  • GreyBeard #35 3 years ago

    I'm interested to find out what exactly people are expecting from the next Xbox?

    I mean that absolutely seriously. Assuming it launches at a price point comparable to what the 360 did, what would it take for you all to punt out another £399 or whatever?

    Is an improved GPU enough?

  • Kenshin001 #36 3 years ago

    "When I see the line-up ahead, when I see what's lined up on the new product side, I'm very, very optimistic for what I see for PlayStation's future in the PAL territories."

    This is true. Whatever Reeves says about future sales there is no denying the coming line-up looks great.

  • Xerx3s #37 3 years ago

    It will dominate in 3-5 years because everybody else has moved on to the next gen by that time.

  • FooAtari #38 3 years ago

    @Grey
    I'm interested to find out what exactly people are expecting from the next Xbox?

    I mean that absolutely seriously. Assuming it launches at a price point comparable to what the 360 did, what would it take for you all to punt out another £399 or whatever?

    Is an improved GPU enough?

    I didnt think there was a massive improvement from the Xbox to the 360 apart from better graphics. Apart from the downloads and cross game compatibility Live isn't a massive improvement over the Xbox either, just better integrated. Still playing the same old games at the end of the day.

    Maybe the next gen will do proper HD at a decent framerate at least.
    Edited by FooAtari at 30/04/09 @ 13:57

  • Xerx3s #39 3 years ago

    "I mean that absolutely seriously. Assuming it launches at a price point comparable to what the 360 did, what would it take for you all to punt out another £399 or whatever? "

    Couldn't care less what powers it. I want a new toy that dazzles me with awesome new games and functionalities.

  • MaxiSleep #40 3 years ago

    It will dominate this generation in 5 years since it will be the only console of this gen left.

  • Darren #41 3 years ago

    I want reliable hardware above anything else in the next Xbox. I expect better graphics and games as standard.

    Certainly I hope that the next consoles have the power to run all the games at a minimum of 720p @ 30 or 60 fps without any screen tearing (my personal pet hate of the current generation). Oh and mandatory anti-aliasing is a must. The good news is that 1080p seems to be becoming the norm for TV resolutions so the next generation of console hardware doesn't need to be able to output above that. That means that the GPU can be used for pushing more detailed graphics while maintaining a decent resolution and framerate.

    I always thought that the HD revolution came too early to the 360 and PS3 as their hardware was clearly not powerful enough to display all games at 720p and it would have been better had their extra performance been used to display more detailed visuals with AA and a v-synced framerate at standard definitions. The graphics would still have outclassed the Wii's (as those are still GameCube quality IMO). True HD as marketed by Sony was little more that a promotional tool for Blu-ray as the PS3, like the 360, runs very few of its games at 1080p and not all of them run at 720p either.

  • JensonJet #42 3 years ago

    I agree, in 3 to 5 years the PS3 will have sold more units than Microsoft's NEXT CONSOLE!!!! So while the PS3 at this time will be ancient and probably barely comparable to your average mobile phone in terms of processing power, PCs, the next Xbox, and probably the next Wii will have moved on to the new 'next generation'.

    Sony's marketing department does work, very well... for Microsoft! It's unbelievable that what was once such a market leader in several technical fields has fallen by the wayside.


    BMXBandit... please explain how I, as an Xbox owner, or anyone else I know who owns one has ruined gaming? Personally I don't think anyone or any company has ruined gaming as an industry. Personally I'm no fan of Microsoft, but I own a 360 because the controller is far superior to that 10 year old thing on the Playstation. The Playstation has fewer games (and specifcially none that interest me at all). While I'm no fan of the cost of Xbox Live, having experienced (at a friend's) the PS3 online, I found it far less enjoyable for the fact barely anyone communicates. Sure there are some idiots trash-talking on Xbox Live, but it's easy enough to ignore them or move to another server, but at least I have options to communicate. So please explain, as intelligently as you can, without insults or childish comments, exactly how Xbox has ruined gaming?
    Edited by JensonJet at 30/04/09 @ 13:50

  • Aphexman #43 3 years ago

    the guy's right, in 3-5 years x360 won't handle next-gen games due to dvd space issues, unless you're ready to pay for already overpriced dlc which became bad habit. next xbox till then? who's gonna pay for it (min £300) with economic downturn for another 3 or 4 years, when people were complaining that ps3 with its price is too expensive before economical crisis. another thing is which developers will afford to create games for new xbox when lots of studios dropping like flies today struggling to create games for current gen? if i'd have only 360 i'd start to have a need of next gen console, if new xbox will launch it'll be in the worse position than ps3 was 3 years ago. p.s. sorry for my grammars.

  • PearOfAnguish #44 3 years ago

    So, not content with arguing about whose mass-produced electronic box is better, you've now moved on to argue about which of the hypothetical future consoles will be more successful than the other. Love it.

  • Darren #45 3 years ago

    @JensonJet - The original PS was a standard setter but I'm not so sure that the PS2 and PS3 were. Despite all the hoo-hah over the Emotion Engine, the PS2's visuals were very disappointing even back in 2000 when I bought mine. I remember how surprised I was that the graphics actually looked far worst than my year old Dreamcast. I then discovered that it was a bitch to code for and that reflected in the quality of the games at the time. The very same thing is true of the PS3 too so it seems like Sony learnt absolutely nothing from the PS2 at all.

    The Xbox was marvellous though, I was always impressed by how Microsoft managed to release a console that was both innovative and easy to code for. The standard HDD, custom soundtracks, online gaming, etc, were ground-breaking additions to consoles and as such the follow-up Xbox 360 was, IMO, comparatively disappointing because it didn't innovate in quite the same way. It was just a refined version of what went before, only with lousy hardware reliability and high-definition crowbarred in. I'm not saying it isn't a great machine for games, it certainly is (better than the PS3 and Wii combined I reckon), just that it failed to do anything new or exciting like the original Xbox.

    Unless Microsoft and Sony intend to do something different with their controllers, to attract the Wii crowd, then I expect their new consoles will just add prettier graphics and little else.

  • Dizzy #46 3 years ago

    >in 3-5 years x360 won't handle next-gen games due to dvd space issues

    Ha yes.. *that* must be it.

  • Melan #47 3 years ago

    "we have to launch with a currency that's quite strong and therefore the price is quite high",

    That is nonsense. With the strong Euro we should get imports cheaper. Because the EURO has more value in the countries we buy from (sony=japan)

  • Dizzy #48 3 years ago

    Ha yes... the emo whining douchebag-shouting teen. Hate them.

  • FooAtari #49 3 years ago

    "the guy's right, in 3-5 years x360 won't handle next-gen games due to dvd space issues"

    Still waiting for that to happen as claimed when PS3 was released. What exactly do you think is going to change in the future that space will suddenly become an issues on the same hardware.

    Shouldnt you be in school bmxbandit?
    Edited by FooAtari at 30/04/09 @ 14:07

  • JensonJet #50 3 years ago

    Darren, I'm a little confused about these 'ground breaking' additions you expect on consoles? I don't think the games industry ever does anything ground breaking. So our pads rumble these days, or we can point a plastic box at the TV and it moves a cursor, or whatever, or we can talk to other gamers online... none of this is particularly clever or ground breaking in my opinion. So yes, I agree, the next Xbox, and Playstation or Wii for that matter, will do exactly what every other console before them has... improve on sound, graphics, maybe give us another type of controller, and hopefully give the game makers a bit more processing power to make physics and AI a little more advanced than they're currently doing.

    On the subject of the current economic climate and the future consoles... I don't think it's even a prediction to assume a new console will appear from Microsoft within a few years. Regardless of the economic climate, the games industry is still making massive amounts of cash. and Microsoft have entered the gaming world to dominate as much as they can, and make a ton of money out of it in the process. Whatever we think of the company, we can't deny it knows how to make money. So for as long as there's a market for consoles, I can't see any reason why Microsoft won't continue producing machines for gaming. After all, while no one else has managed, Microsoft have actually managed to get away with charging us to play online!

    As for the developers that go under... it's their own fault. For as long as there are many developers still in business it must only mean those that disappearing are run by poor management, or made poor decisions with their business or products, or just aren't able to compete with the best in the industry.

    BMXBandit, so I can assume you're not using a PC or anything Microsoft related while you surf the net and reply on this forum? Sorry dude, but I just don't understand why you're so bitter about Xbox or it's fans. I don't care for a Playstation, but I certainly don't have a problem with the machine or those that use it. As it happens it's in all our benefit that there are a few console makers out there. If you hate Xbox owners so much, you must be very, very unhappy, as there are plenty of us.
    Edited by JensonJet at 30/04/09 @ 14:16

  • Dizzy #51 3 years ago

    >Nerds will support anything if the nerd next door does.

    Remember when people said that nobody would support Sony because they only made walkmans? Ha no.. you were not even born in those days.

  • PearOfAnguish #52 3 years ago

    You're on a videogames web site defending one console against another. This makes you a nerd too.

  • Darren #53 3 years ago

    Does anyone expect the next generation of consoles to be download-only as Microsoft keep insisting will happen? Or is it far more likely that they'll ship with built-in Blu-ray drive, only much faster ones that what we have now?

    My money is on Blu-ray because I don't believe that the broadband infrastructure will be good enough to support mass downloads on a wide scale for all commercial full-priced games. There are some PS3 games now that take up more than 20 GB of disc space so imagine what requirement there'll be for next gen ones with higher resolution textures? I think it's a bit much to expect people to download 20 GB+ games on UK connections certainly and then you have to consider storage space for those games. I know it's the age-old argument but nothing beats having the game on a single convenient disc that you can play whenever you want to, take round to a friend's, lend out or trade in.

    If Microsoft are bold enough to go the download-only route then I reckon the next Xbox will be a failure. Being able to play your existing CDs, DVDs and (on the PS3) BDs is what makes consoles so versatile. A switch to download only would initially seem like a step backwards IMO and I don't believe the public will like it myself. I don't think the retail outlets will either.

  • Wastelander #54 3 years ago

    It's a shame Sony can't convert bitter tears and fanboy wails into sales.

  • Dizzy #55 3 years ago

    Woah.. bmxbandit is gonna blow.

    /captures bitter sweet tears

    I better get some training.

    BTW this article is also Wii/360 related.
    Edited by Dizzy at 30/04/09 @ 14:25

  • Spekingur #56 3 years ago

    Let's see what E3 brings the X360 gamers. Maybe there will be interesting news from there.

    DVD9's are enough. If you need any more space then you are just making too much stuff, developement wise. Besides, the next Xbox console (whenever it'll be released) might be included with the possibility of more than one HDD, with hot-swap tech. With a minimum of 320gb HDD. My guess is that MS would concentrate alot more on the DLC front, making their gaming infrastructure look more like Steam than the current situation. This would make developers happier but retailers and resellers not so happy. If they did such a thing though they would have to ease up on their regional download restrictions.
    Edited by Spekingur at 30/04/09 @ 14:27

  • JensonJet #57 3 years ago

    I don't think anyone need worry about what drive is in the next generation. It's likely to be backwards compatible with DVDs at least, if not support blu-ray. Then again the Wii's done alright without supporting any movie format. I think it's safe to assume it'll have a drive as there's too much business to lose out on by going download only. However downloading games will almost certainly be an option. Microsoft, Sony and whoever else is building consoles in the future will do whatever they see deem to be the most profitable business plan for them.

    BMXBandit... I never called you a chav, or a child. And I'm pretty sure no one else has directly! But being so angry against a fellow gamer without justifying exactly what your problem is with us doesn't do you any favours. I understand your dislike for Microsoft. I'm no fan of the company either, I just happen to think their console is the best about right now, as well as them having the best pad. I don't own a PC, so I'm pretty sure I support them less than most around here. I'm on a Mac because I'm a designer. So while I understand how you feel as the minority (owning a Playstation), as it happens I'm actually pleased I'm in the minority with my choice of computer. I like being the minority in this case, but in console terms, yep, I'm one of the many millions happily gaming on a 360!!
    Edited by JensonJet at 30/04/09 @ 14:37

  • Darren #58 3 years ago

    @JensonJet - The Wii has motion-controls and the Xbox added a standard HDD, custom soundtracks and online gaming to the consoles; those are the kinds of innovations I'm talking about. OK so they're not entirely new, the PC has had most of those for years, but they were ground-breaking for the consoles. Those things open up new avenues for developers so they can make bigger and better games. That's in theory because it's easier to make a game in an established genre that you know will sell well than something new and original that possibly won't.

  • Spekingur #59 3 years ago

    Haha, you know what be extremely funny? If MS would include backwards compatability in their next console for PSOne and PS2 games X)
    Never going to happen, I know, but that would still be funny as hell :D

  • Dizzy #60 3 years ago

    "So before I was a child ... now i'm a chav ... good god, why do you allow yourself to become such a stereotype? "

    We are just messing with you. We have no way of knowing what you are. But OBVIOUSLY not a geek and NOT somebody who uses ANY Microsoft tech. Linux is out, that would make you a geek. So an Apple user surely. Arty and intellectual..; hmm maybe not. Those kind of people usually do not start insulting others. What is left?

    BTW next gen systems.... I would hope they are going to dump the Optical Media. Slow, noisy and eats power.
    Edited by Dizzy at 30/04/09 @ 14:32

  • Wastelander #61 3 years ago

    As long as it's backward compatable there's nothing stopping them using a proprietary drive/media.
    I wouldn't be surprised to see a HDDVD variant just for games.

  • cheekyjay #62 3 years ago

    Wasn't it the "hare" that originally came out, all guns blazing, boasting of its superior pace and incredible powers, whilst mocking all the others for not being even close in power. If that's the case, then the "tortoise and the hare" race has clearly already taken place, twice in fact: first with the non-Blu-Ray-enabled, then-believed-to-be-technically-inferior Xbox 360 getting early market share and maintaining a lead over the PS3; later with the little underpowered underdog, the Wii, sneaking up on both the big-talking hares, armed with nothing but clever marketing and new gimmicks.

    Just don't see how the PS3 can ever be considered an underdog in this generation, when it was so shamefully boastful in the lead up to it's launch.

    I'm one of the fortunate few who own all 3 current-gen machines, and certainly play on my PS3 more than I do my Wii, but I often find myself struggling to find obvious differentiators between content on my Xbox and PS3, as only a handful of exclusives and features seem to seperate the two in my eyes. Still, as long as that slight competition continues to deliver rare gems like Braid and Flower, I'll still be content.

  • Darren #63 3 years ago

    @Spekingur - I live in absolute dread for the day when games go download-only. I only have to look at the ridiculous prices Steam ask for new PC games to know that we'll likely end up paying more than we do now for our games and with no second-hand sales to make up for them either.

    For example, I've bought several games for my PC recently that have all been £24.99 or less at online retailers, one was just £18, but they sell for £34.99 or more on Steam. That is quite frankly disgusting IMO since their are no overheads, no disc production costs, no game cases and no manuals to add to the cost of the games. So why do Steam charge so much? Are they just plain greedy? Is this what we can expect in the future?

    /shudders

    Granted, Steam have the odd cheap bargain but for new games they are a complete and utter rip-off. Anyone, IMO, who buys full-priced games from them must be either mad or so rich that money doesn't matter to them.

  • miiiguel #64 3 years ago

    ^^
    Classy stuff...Is this the PSN/PS3 "clever ppl" archetype ?
    FFS, I need I new hobby.

    :{
    Edited by miiiguel at 30/04/09 @ 14:51

  • geeza2020 #65 3 years ago

    reading all the fanboy trash on here from both sides has actually made me feel ashamed to own a console, and feel physically sick.

  • GamesConnoisseur #66 3 years ago

    I seem to remember PS2 tards tearing into xbox articles at one time?!

    bmxbandit sorry you are full of anger, and righteous fury against the like of X360 owners which include me and many others but perhaps, you should vent your frustrations with Sony for not making sure in first place that PS3 can inherit the PS2's winning formula?

    I love PS3 and X360 and X360 edging it for me due to being a better performing gaming machine all round, PS3 a superior multi media machine plus the unmissable exclusives.

    3 to 5 years time, a lot will and can change, so what do we know? We cannot see that far ahead, could be none of us still around due to swine flu version 2 wiping humans, 'tard x360 owners and bitter PS3 owners out!

  • JensonJet #67 3 years ago

    Nothing like a little exageration when conversations fails you huh, Geeza?

    So while BMXBandit couldn't explain in any way why he hates 360 owners with a vengence, can you at least explain why reading through a few messages makes you feel 'ashamed to own a console'? I thought we were just discussing the current and future consoles... brought on by an article which mentions '...in 3-5 years'.

  • des #68 3 years ago

    "PlayStation 3, you will see, will be far and away the winner when you look at it by March '08. They really, really will. It's something that is going to be a slow burner, and suddenly it's like a tsunami; it will just overtake you." July 2007

    He is not good at predictions,heh

  • Spekingur #69 3 years ago

    @Darren: It all depends on where you live in the world. Seeing that you might live in the UK then it means that you have alot of choice. We don't have the same choice here. It can actually be alot cheaper buying our X360 games from the UK through the web instead of buying it from the very few retailers that still sell X360 games here.
    And then there are rumours of X360 being possibly completely dumped by all retailers here. Consoles, games, everything. I'm in a non-X360 aknowledged country. And I'm told that the same goes for the PS3, yet every Playstation product sells extremely well (and is extremely advertised). Neither Nintendo or X360 get the same amount of, if any at all, advertisement. So, yeah.

    And yes, MS has quite often announced exciting things at E3 in the past. It might be worth the wait till then before shouting about who is winning this years games line-up.

  • FooAtari #70 3 years ago

    @bmxbandit

    Shouldnt you be waiting for MS to actually announce some games this year?

    You guys are pathetic. Remember back when people said nobody would be a big enough moron to get suckered into supporting Microsoft ... lol. They were so wrong. Nerds will support anything if the nerd next door does.

    Erm... I don't own an Xbox.
    Edited by FooAtari at 30/04/09 @ 15:11

  • geeza2020 #71 3 years ago

    I just find the whole concept of trying to offend/insult somebody over their choice of console extremely juvenile and ultimately pointless. BMXbandit for example: what the fuck do you hope to acheive? do you think your immature rantings are going to suddenly make every 360 owner think "oh wow i didnt see it that way until a retarded little shit on a message board told me microsoft were bad. thanks so much". Jesus. fucking. christ. grow some pubes, realise that consoles arent the most important thing in life then maybe i can have a conversation with you. And people wonder why the gaming industry is seen as infantile by all other media.

  • FooAtari #72 3 years ago

    I'm sure it wasnt bmx...

    FooAtari
    Shouldnt you be in school bmxbandit?

    then, the very next comment directly below;

    bmxbandit
    Shouldnt you be waiting for MS to actually announce some games this year?

    Sure seems like it was directed at me. If not, who was it directed at?

    geeza:
    And people wonder why the gaming industry is seen as infantile by all other media.

    So true.
    Edited by FooAtari at 30/04/09 @ 15:14

  • PearOfAnguish #73 3 years ago

    Bumbandit is upset because Mummy took away his Playstation until he does his homework.

    :(

    FUCK YOU MUM I WON'T DO WHAT YOU SAY

    :( :(

    /puts on Nickleback CD

  • geeza2020 #74 3 years ago

    "Sorry dude but i'm listening to Flying Lotus and waiting for the day I meet an xbox fanboy who isnt a total waste of space."

    Can't you do it quietly though? Please?

    have a fun life by the way. lol

  • miiiguel #75 3 years ago

    Fuck... now I'm really depressed..., there's this guy who supposedely has the same hobby as I do... My god... what have I done ??!!

    Please lend me a gun, I'm going for a walk, on a lonely beach...
    Edited by miiiguel at 30/04/09 @ 15:25

  • PearOfAnguish #76 3 years ago

    Oh no dear, I'm not angry, I am amused at your ridiculous comments. Silly boy!

    And I'm not an xbox fanboy, I'm a PC fanboy. PC 4 LYFE PLAYA. BOOYAH.
    Edited by PearOfAnguish at 30/04/09 @ 15:24

  • PearOfAnguish #77 3 years ago

    But, you are also a fanboy. And a big queen.

  • JensonJet #78 3 years ago

    Ok, well that explains it then... because Microsoft don't make their own games, 360 gamers are scum of the earth!!! Not entirely sure of the logic there, but I accept your opinion. I have to admit, I don't care who makes the games I like. If I enjoy a game the developer doesn't matter to me. But I'm like that with everything... I watch movies I enjoy regardless of who directs them, or who produces them. I would buy a car I like the look of, but don't care for any particular manufacturer.

    Admittedly having a Sony CD player, CD writer, monitor, car stereo, and TV all go wrong within an 18 month period certainly has made me wary of purchasing Sony products again. And yes, I do see the irony in owning the single most unreliable console ever producted! Would the 360 problems put me off future Microsoft products... nope, because I believe they've learnt their lesson and that won't happen again. And if it did, maybe once I've gone through as many MS products as I have Sony, then I'd probably consider steering clear of their consoles.

    I can't speak for other gamers, but I'm under no illusion Microsoft isn't looking out for me. They are however after my money, and for their efforts have an excellent console and occasionally have games produced for it that I like and purchase. I'm a pretty fussy gamer, and only ever own about three or four games at a time. And I can honestly say that there are no exclusives on the Playstation that particularly interest me.

    So yes, it's true, when a new game that I want comes out, I do continually 'keep going back for more', and purchase the games for the 360. As it happens my problem with Microsoft is because their business software, compared to the design software I use, it utter shite... but then, in fairness, it's not designed for me. My other problem is whenever I've used a PC I've found it to be an unpleasant experience compared to my Mac. But I feel it's fair to critise Microsoft because I do resent having to pay to play 360 online, but I think that's a fair complaint.

    So yes I support Microsoft, just as everyone on a PC supports them. It's not a bad thing... we all support every company who's products we purchase. It's just a fact of life, not something to be angry about.

  • PearOfAnguish #79 3 years ago

    No I've downloaded all the games now (ALL OF THEM). I'm waiting for new releases tomorrow so I can pirate those as well.

    Your ice burns cut me deep :(

  • miiiguel #80 3 years ago

    I'm also intrigued, if these so called "scum of the earth because they like to play ludic programs that run on a MS console", go out right now and buy a PS3, are they automatically promoted to the fine example of a human being that bmxbandit (no shit... a bandit, in a bmx... - in a couple of years he'll be hondabandit I presume) is ?
    Edited by miiiguel at 30/04/09 @ 15:34

  • koji_m #81 3 years ago

    in 5 years? AWESOME!

  • Cider-X #82 3 years ago

    Ignore button makes me happy

  • PearOfAnguish #83 3 years ago

    I think he's calling you gay, Miiiguel.

  • Razzajazz #84 3 years ago

    Hah, this is goddamn hilarious! bmx"bandit" (I think "bandit" being the operative word) clearly feels he has to justify his purchase instead of just enjoying it. How about you just say you think Sony is better and leave it at that? And this BS I keep hearing about Microsoft killing gaming.... Do you realise just how bad a state the PS3 would be in now if MS weren't constantly on their case? Do you think you'd have in-game XMB yet? Or Trophies? Or any of the other stuff they've HAD to add in just to keep pace?

    None of these companies are good, and none of them are evil. They're just companies. That's all. Forming an emotional attachment to a monolithic corporation is not a good idea....

  • PearOfAnguish #85 3 years ago

    Everyone here is a nerd apart from Mr Bandit. He is a cool gamer. Aw yeah.

  • miiiguel #86 3 years ago

    I wish I was "too young", young enough to be able to erase and rewind. I would have asked for a golf club insted of that Speccy on that Xmas.

    :{

    Bah... pretty depressing. And this has nothing to do with segregation based on hardware choices. Widge; ps3owner (yeah with that name..., who would figure) are fine community members, not every PS3/360/Wii is the same.
    This guy now even adds xenophoby to his atributes. I think I'm going to puke.

  • FooAtari #87 3 years ago

    @bmx
    I'm sorry ... I guess the guy who doesnt own a Wii or 360 and doesnt use his PS3 for gaming is the sort of chap I should be listening to when it comes to gaming discussion.

    Dude, what the fuck are you even doing on here?

    I didn't say I didnt game on it, just that it wasnt the reason I kept it. I used to own an Xbox 360 and a Wii along with my PS3. But I didnt have time to play games on all three. I mostly game on the PC. But I do have a few games on my PS3 like GT5P, Uncharted, Guitar Hero World Tour and Guitar Hero Metallica.

    When I decided to sell two of the consoles I kept the one that was useful to me, and that was the PS3 due it other features apart from gaming.

    And I'm here because just because I don't many two of the three main consoles I'm still interested in whats going on with them.
    Edited by FooAtari at 30/04/09 @ 15:48

  • BartonFink #88 3 years ago

    I see the comments section has a new playtard - bmxbandit

    Good stuff not quite frothy enough can do better - 6/10

  • PearOfAnguish #89 3 years ago

    Fuck man, benga and skream. You're cool. You're a cool dude.

    Screw the rest of you nerds, I'm gonna hang with Bandit, he's fucking aces. Lets put on some Benga Bus and practice not being flaming faggots together. You try not to suck me off and I'll try not to slip a lubed finger up your bumhole.

  • FooAtari #90 3 years ago

    @J1GSAW

    There's always a Mac with OS X or Linux.

  • FooAtari #91 3 years ago

    I find the notion of someone vigiriously insulting others on an INTERNET FORUM because of their preffered GAMES CONSOLE calling others nerds bloody hilarious.

  • BartonFink #92 3 years ago

    Zero_Cool wrote
    The 360 has ran out of steam. So, maybe....

    Since when?

  • Razzajazz #93 3 years ago

    @PearOfAnguish

    That last comment was our hands-down winner! "Let's practice not being flaming faggots together" LOL!

  • PearOfAnguish #94 3 years ago

    Hey man gimme a break, I've only just started not being a flaming faggot. I've not levelled up enough to get to 'not being a nerd on a games forum' yet. I need more XP.

  • JensonJet #95 3 years ago

    I'm not neutral... I have a 360, I love it, and I would never consider a Sony console for as long as they continue to produce that pad of theirs. As it happens I'm a keyboard and mouse fan, and love FPS, but as I dislike PCs and don't care to spend any more money on gaming than I do already, so I'm happy to stick with the 360.

    The recent games I've owned are Call of Duty 4, Forza 2, Pro Evo, Far Cry 2, Bioshock and Mass Effect. I find the MS pad more comfortable to use (not to mention enjoy having the rumble effect!) for these games than I do using Sony's effort. I could argue that Bioshock and Call of Duty came out much later on the PS, or that Pro Evo is widely known to be superior on the 360, but I geniunely don't care about that. I'm never going to have two consoles, so having been impressed with the original Xbox, and never bothered with the PS2, the choice for me was easy.

    Also having played CoD4 on a friends PS3 I will say from my experience the standard of gamer on the 360 does seem higher, but I guess that's only to be expected when the 360 has a larger audience and I'm sure a slightly more mature one too.

    J1GSAW
    I mentioned that anyone on a PC is also supporting Microsoft in answer to the wonderboy BMXBandit's argument that all 360 owners are fools for supporting Microsoft. Personally I don't have a problem with anyone buying whatever product they want and certainly understand that buying a product doesn't mean you love the manufacturer. But that seems to be the way the conversation around here has gone. It started out as a discussion about the future of consoles.
    Edited by JensonJet at 30/04/09 @ 16:02

  • geeza2020 #96 3 years ago

    bmx bandit is kewl dood. i want to be his friend! He's just misunderstood. I think all that aggression is just pent up homosexual urges. If he just admitted it to himself, the world would be a much more happy and fun filled place for him. At the moment hes just locked in his bedroom wanking over Mens Health magazine with the curtains shut. Let the sun in bandit, let it in!!

  • FooAtari #97 3 years ago

    @JensonJet
    Also having played CoD4 on a friends PS3 I will say from my experience the standard of gamer on the 360 does seem higher

    Really? I eventually went freinds only in CoD4 as the arsehole count on Live was so high. Although it's not much different to many other games on PSN or PC. Internet turns people into 'tards. As has been proven here...
    Edited by FooAtari at 30/04/09 @ 15:58

  • PearOfAnguish #98 3 years ago

    Hey fuck you geeza, don't you insult my friend. We'll come round and fuck you up.

    (But not fuck him, right Bandit? Because we're not flaming faggots like that nerd)

  • BillyBrush #99 3 years ago

    Damn...the Benga bus is coming...and it's dropped a mentally retarded passenger off right in the middle of this thread!

    I like the proper 90's dance BMX, you know, Altern8, NRG, before you were born...this makes me twice as cool as you, please please tell me you're into 'bassline' it'll make my whole month..

    g'wan, drop some more cool names, under ground, overground, wombling free, you look like a proper retard to me.

  • Arcadiian #100 3 years ago

    /guffaw.

    Hilarious argument. Does it matter what Sony or Microsoft will be doing in 3-5 years? I justified the purchase of my consoles based on their current merits. I saw it mentioned earlier that Microsoft apparently ruined some multi-format games due to DLC. I'm thinking that's a reference to GTA IV? The games industry is extremely changeable, whether it be the demise of SEGA as a hardware developer, the resurgence of Nintendo with the DS or Wii, or the massive changes we saw when Sony or Microsoft entered the industry. If you find yourself justifying your console purchases on potential, or 'tortoise and hare' races, then you're probably going to be let down. That or finding yourself foaming at the mouth in a foul rage at an entire games forum. Just sit back and enjoy the games.

  • Razzajazz #101 3 years ago

    Dude, if you're surrounded by old people and 'neckbeards', why are you still here? You're not winding anyone up, you're just looking like a prat. Either talk about games or do one, this is called Eurogamer.net, not EuroI'mtotallycoolandyou'renot.net. It's all about the games, man. I just don't get it....

  • miiiguel #102 3 years ago

    So... are you old, or are you young? What's the *cool* age to have? And from what country? The console we already know...
    Because, everyone wants to be like you, you have some je ne sais'quois of social magnetism as you probably noticed from the friends you made here in a few minutes. A fine example...
    Edited by miiiguel at 30/04/09 @ 16:10

  • FooAtari #103 3 years ago

    nm
    Edited by FooAtari at 30/04/09 @ 16:09

  • JensonJet #104 3 years ago

    FooAtari,
    Sure, there are some idiots on Live... but I guess that's to be expected... fill a server up with a bunch of English and Americans and they start insulting each other, and for every couple of decent gamers, you find the odd 'disruptive' one who lacks the skill to compete so starts teamkilling. But on the whole I found the standard of gamer within Call of Duty 4 on the PS3 lower than I've experienced on Live. But the biggest problem is the lack of communication. The best sessions are without doubt those with gamers that communicate and work as a team. Unfortunately with Sony not forcing you to own a headset, most PS3 gamers don't seem to bother, so most naturally end up working alone rather than as a team. With Live, of course, everyone gets a headset, and although as previously mentioned it's often abused, there are still a handful of gamers that use the communication to work better within a team. For co-op games it's absolutely essential... I suppose co-op's not popular on the PS3.

    Arcadiian
    You've missed the whole point, at least originally, of these messages when we were discussing the future of the consoles. We weren't specifically discussing the pros or cons of the current generation... until a PS3 fan starting slating the 360 owners for their choice in console.
    Edited by JensonJet at 30/04/09 @ 16:16

  • FooAtari #105 3 years ago

    Yeah got to agree on the communication thing. Not including a headset with the PS3 by the standard was a bit of a missed oppertunity.

  • Benno #106 3 years ago

    lmfao

  • miiiguel #107 3 years ago

    /note-to-self: remember to buy condoms (this personality must be inate, and fuck me if I ever live with such thing).
    Edited by miiiguel at 30/04/09 @ 16:18

  • SAH1977 #108 3 years ago

    You only need look at the PS3's ever more impressive exclusive software line-up and the 360's lacklustre releases to see Reeves has a point.

    The 360 has had a great 3 years with Microsoft relentlessy driving down the price, Sony have taken a longer term stance.

    Perhaps Microsoft could actually release some decent, new, titles, then 360 fanboys would have something to talk about rather than trolling on PS3 related stories.
    Edited by SAH1977 at 30/04/09 @ 16:24

  • miiiguel #109 3 years ago

    Believe me creature, it is not a joke, unfortunatly.

  • Arcadiian #110 3 years ago

    Arcadiian
    You've missed the whole point, at least originally, of these messages when we were discussing the future of the consoles. We weren't specifically discussing the pros or cons of the current generation... until a PS3 fan starting slating the 360 owners for their choice in console.

    @ JensonJet.

    No, I didn't miss the point, I understand what the rest of you were talking about. I think an interest in how things might develop in the games industry in the future is something we all have. Just that actually justifying your purchase on a possible 3-5 year window is absurd, which the 'PS3 fan' seems to have done.

  • FooAtari #111 3 years ago

    Prime example is joystiq. The Playstation news section is updated with new stories almost every 30 minutes, yet the Xbox section gets about one story a day (Usually about some Halo DLC offer or a multiplat game).

    It doesn't really mean much when the news sections are filled with crap like this story though. And that goes for MS' and N's PR as well. Most of it is fanservice or bait. Nothing of any interest for the most part.

  • JensonJet #112 3 years ago

    BMXBandit, seriously dude, the more you keep on the more you sound like someone who's really pissed off with their choice of purchase. Be happy you have this wonderful PS3. You don't need to continue insulting people because they purchased differently to you. I can't imagine what you're going to be like when you drive. Are you going to drive about with your window constantly open screaming at everyone that drives a different car to you? Perhaps you already walk down the street screaming abuse at people for wearing different clothes to you. If all the 360 owners around here upset you so much, and we're all unforgiveable for daring to ridicule the Sony marketing department for making such a stupid comment about Playstation selling really well in three years time, you perhaps should find a pro-Sony forum to spread your messages.

  • BillyBrush #113 3 years ago

    BMX, are you white but say things like 'bear tings' and 'wagwan' so the cool kids don't beat you up?

    Tell you what, you've identified TRG there, who does have one good tune, oi killa, you should try visiting gay bars more often because they play better stuff...you'd fit right in...until they realise you're a douche and kick you out.....and yes, compare dubstep bollox with 90's and it gets buried...here's a tip...you're ohh 18 -22, i'll let you in on a secret, the mid twenties cool kids are into breakbeats and reggaeton at the mo...you're more on the 15yr old vibe right there, move on up, and when you get even older, you can maybe listen to what old folks listen to, it's called developing taste as you mature...like brussel sprouts, your dad has to give you 20p to eat one now or stop your pocket money, but beleive it or not one day you might actually start to like em....i know, this is hard to contemplate right now, but listen to Old Man Billy, wise am i in the old ways.

    Another good tip if i may keep furnishing you with advice is go out more (to gay bars if need be), this may also help your musical handicapping and you might appreciate more things than Benga and Benny...ribbba dibba dibba (there's this old MC and DJ combo DJ Luck and MC Neat, from the sounds of you're fine ears you'd love the shit outta them, ribba dibba i say oii, you say oii, ribba dibba skibba skee dibbie skii)....wikid

  • JensonJet #114 3 years ago

    evilfoxhound,
    Yeah, and the latest news on PS3 at this amazing website... "Guitar Hero World Tour May DLC lineup detailed"

    Look, it doesn't matter what console we've got... can't PS3 people just converse sensibly, or do they have to continually insult. On this forum at least, you all sound like extremely upset and angry gamers. I think for no other reason than the fact we're generally pretty happy with our 360s did we make the right choice of console. It sounds like PS3 really does make you unhappy. And I always thought gaming was supposed to be a fun hobby!

  • Marshall2008 #115 3 years ago

    Yeah, it will dominate the 'Last Gen consoles'

  • Machiavellian #116 3 years ago

    I haven't seen this much troll feeding in a while. You know if you keep feeding him he will start to look like you as well.

  • BartonFink #117 3 years ago

    evilfoxhound wrote
    This is why so many xbots troll PS3 news stories. They have fuck-all else to talk about!

    LOL - both as bad as each other tbh, Xbots and Sony fantards

    Go back to the start of the thread I think you will find it was some Sony fantard that started with the trolling. So much for that theory.

  • LowEnergyCycle #118 3 years ago

    BMXBandit's crazy posts have disapeared... They seemed like fun. Now this thread just looks odd.

    Ah well. I'm sure there'll be another under-educated frothing fanboy moron around here again someday.

  • SAH1977 #119 3 years ago

    'rubbish. they both have excellent games. this year is like last, we don't know all that's coming for the 360 yet.'

    It's almost May, if it's not been announced by now it's unlikely to be released this year. Microsoft rely on outside development teams so it's unlikely they can spring something onto the market by suprise, Sony have already announced a stack of exclusive titles but can still hold news back, i.e. GT5 which is well into development, yet zero has been shown.


    'happily ignoring a great run of games over the life of the console there. Just stupid. Plenty to talk about and play and , like last years, MS will deliver the games rather talking about them forever.'

    Gamers are always looking forward, the 360 has delivered a relentless line of FPS and shooter titles, I'm looking for a little more from my console, greater functionallity and reliabilty. I like FPS titles as much as the next guy, thankfully the PS3 has the best so far this generation in Killzone 2, but I'm also interested in games like LBP, Flower etc.

    'fuck it, ignore list employed.'

    Can 360 owners not engage in reasoned debate and accept fortunes change. The 360 has had 3 years were it's not only dominated sales wise, it's also had the best titles from a playability and technical standpoint, and been far cheaper.

    The PS3 is now stretching it's legs, begining to show a clear graphical superiority, and a stronger future line-up of exclusive titles. That being said it's still too expensive so unlikey to topple the 360's sales lead for some time.

  • JensonJet #120 3 years ago

    LowEnergyCycle
    In another forum, on another site, I've just read through a few comments on Forza3... and the PS3 users are shockingly bitter. It's unbelievable. I never knew those guys were so angry and upset. The guy on this other forum said Forza 2 looks like a PS2 game!?!?!? I can see where any anger towards PS3 children/users comes from. They just make stupid comments, not even opinions, let alone any attempt to justify their thoughts. I guess the point is there probably isn't much thought behind comments like 'Forza2 looks like a PS2 game', or 'Poor rip-off of Gran Tourismo'. As I won't ever be playing Gran Tourismo I would never consider leaving a message on a forum about the game. Maybe that's another reason for their anger... we get Forza 1, 2 and 3 in the time it takes them to get just one sequel to GT.


    To Eurogamer,
    Could you please add a list below our names where we can display what console/games system we use. I would really like to automatically ignore all PS3 users. After todays messages I feel completely justified in stating I have no interest in reading their angry, bitter, childish, thoughtless comments. I naively thought forums such as this was full of like-minded gamers with a common interest... how wrong was I?
    Edited by JensonJet at 30/04/09 @ 17:35

  • PodlingJuice #121 3 years ago

    Dominant does not equal dominate, FFS.

  • Dizzy #122 3 years ago

    Bmxbandit has left the building folks.

    Move along now...

  • RedSparrows #123 3 years ago

    SAH, you know what the best method is to seem superior? Not to engage in this fucktarded discussion with posts that are at the same level, just dressed up.

    Apparently I already have BMXguy ignored. woop.
    Edited by RedSparrows at 30/04/09 @ 17:47

  • LowEnergyCycle #124 3 years ago

    I find it very disturbing that anyone would become so consumed with rage over something as innocuous as mother-fucking consumer electronics.

    Where are these mysterious breeds of human created? What reprehensible division of science is responsible?
    Edited by LowEnergyCycle at 30/04/09 @ 17:53

  • ronuds #125 3 years ago

    "They do until some 15 year-old kids who can only afford 360s show up."

    You PS3 fanboys LOVE to blame "xbots" for how retarded you are. Just because someone else is retarded doesn't make you any less so.

    Anyhow, Sony keeps moving the bar. They were supposed to have beaten the 360 already by now, from what they said earlier. Now it's 3-5 years? And when that doesn't happen, then what? And what about the Wii's monstrous lead?

    Just like how they guaranteed the PS3 would be ahead in the UK by July..... of 2008! LOL
    Edited by ronuds at 30/04/09 @ 18:05

  • GamesConnoisseur #126 3 years ago

    Loyalty to MS or Sony? I think gamers should look after the interest of gamers first and foremost, as we get shafted by MS, ignored by Nintendo and misled to by Sony!

    However as others said, there are much positives in all consoles and I never, never understand the actual feelings of hate and anger toward a particular console or people owning them?

    When we are out and about in the world, we never know who owns which! The person you willing engage in a chat at a pub may owns a different rival console to you the fellow to your right at your home club and so on.

    Humans tend to form clans, I just state imo that X360 for me is a better gaming machine but I likewise cannot do without PS3. I think this is the similar views for many multi platform owners but for some the favourite console is reversed. Nothing wrong with that innit?

    You dont want to buy X360 or PS3, good for you its your decision to meet your requirements. To actually HATE and spouts biles and all that shite.for what?!

  • BartonFink #127 3 years ago

    @LowEnergyCycle - yea evilfoxhound does tend to get a little rabid when it comes to defending the PS3.

  • bad09 #128 3 years ago

    Ah look what I missed here!

    3-5 years? Hell my PS3 is hanging on by media/ps1 threads as it is, with (unless you show something not 2-3 years away at E3) sod all (for me!) until Autumn, while the better gaming console gets 95% of the multi-platform. You really think I'm gonna wait another 3-5 years?

    Reeves, tell Sony if E3 is another snooze fest I may go standalone blu, and chuck the George forman by Christmas THIS year!

    Besides in 3-5 years I'll have slipped nicely into the new xbox, Sony tell you what, call me when the PS4/PSP2is a out...you may get your s**t together by then. :)

  • SAH1977 #129 3 years ago

    bad09 it may have past you by but the PS3's recent and announced software line-up is significantly stronger than the 360.

    Just saying as you appear to be stuck in 2006.

  • bad09 #130 3 years ago

    @SAH1977

    OK no offense but what part of (for me!) is hard to understand? As far as I can see next in line I'm remotely interested is GOW3....coming at least autumn, there are others as my wanted list shows but they are all TBC therefore ages away.

    Please no lists, I know what I like and Sony are not giving me it this gen (well I got a little last year), the Sony exclusives I liked are now canned/forgotten/multiplatform. PS3 is on shakey ground FOR ME, regardless of the huge amount of uninteresting stuff (FOR ME!) on the thing.
    Edited by bad09 at 30/04/09 @ 19:48

  • des #131 3 years ago

    This sound more like admitting defeat,but there is one fatal flaw,last place consoles never come back and support for them is dropped like a rock...

    PS2 had(s) massive userbase and it was dominating hardware and software sales charts from the day it was released,that is why it lives today...

    PS3 has neither of those,only thing it has is the competition that is much stronger...
    Edited by des at 30/04/09 @ 19:48

  • ronuds #132 3 years ago

    "bad09 it may have past you by but the PS3's recent and announced software line-up is significantly stronger than the 360.

    Just saying as you appear to be stuck in 2006."

    That's because MS waits until the last minute to announce their holiday lineup. Splinter Cell's release date was only announced yesterday and it's coming out before the end of the year. This has been going on for the last couple years now: Sony announces their lineup way in advance (2 years seems standard), while MS lays low until E3. What year are you stuck in?

    And I don't know that 2009 so far has been that spectacular for either console. We've had KZ2 and Halo Wars. Whoopie.

    Edited by ronuds at 30/04/09 @ 20:10

  • bad09 #133 3 years ago

    "And I don't know that 2009 so far has been that spectacular for either console. We've had KZ2 and Halo Wars. Whoopie."

    Ronuds speaks the truth IMO.

  • Rash' #134 3 years ago

    we gamers certainly are a deluded bunch. neither of the HD consoles have captured the imagination of the mainstream like the wii or indeed the past playstations so to assume the coming of the next gen will in someway be detrimental to PS3 sales is wish full thinking. it is important to stress that the Sony platform is still the most expensive console on the market so in terms of competitive standing in the long term the japanese giant has room to manoeuvre. as the cliché goes; it's a 10 year business strategy.
    Edited by Rash' at 30/04/09 @ 21:44

  • BartonFink #135 3 years ago

    To be honest who gives a flying .... as long as they both keep on churning our quality titles fairly frequently.

    Although I am with rounds and bad09 on this. This year has been far from spectacular. The positive part of it is I get to clear my backlog of games :D

  • BartonFink #136 3 years ago

    As for the long term who knows Reeves may be right. Maybe 09 will be the year of Playstation they did say the same thing last year though.

  • Rash' #137 3 years ago

    BartonFink wrote: "To be honest who gives a flying..."

    evidently you do. why else would you have bothered to engage the thread. ;p

    people who band about fanboy inciting remarks like "Year of the Playstation" really shouldn't ask who cares.

  • BartonFink #138 3 years ago

    Sorry Rash' so you are the Eurogamer who can post where police now? ;)

    As for the who cares bit - well I will be enjoying my gaming on both consoles how about you? ;)

    Way to take a post out of context.
    Edited by BartonFink at 30/04/09 @ 22:45

  • Rash' #139 3 years ago

    BartonFink, i enjoy my gaming on two consoles, thanks for asking. i'm beyond hardcore dedication.

  • Spekingur #140 3 years ago

    @farticusmaximus: Sorry to break it to you but I do not think that Uncharted is in any kind a Gears of War ripoff. I think you are mixing up some of the games.

  • man.the.king #141 3 years ago

    Man I like the PS3, but they should can the "hoorah" talk and just let current and future actions speak for themselves rather than resorting to such cheapness.

  • man.the.king #142 3 years ago

    @Spekingur

    No sense hoping for any kind of sense from farty. I think the old 360 troll has gone insane :)

  • NegativeZero #143 3 years ago

    @GreyBeard:
    "I'm interested to find out what exactly people are expecting from the next Xbox?"

    - Guaranteed hard drive or other storage system. If devs have it there there's a lot of things they can leverage from it.

    - Blu-ray drive. This is pretty much a given. It's a proven technology, and they're not going to be anywhere near as expensive a few years from now, which is when we'd be looking at seeing a new Xbox model.

    - Integrated wireless. It should be a standard feature already.

    - Exact same or completely compatible internal GPU / CPU, but with a significant speed bump. This way Microsoft can continue to license 360 dev kits at a cheaper price and the 360 itself can continue to exist for years after the new system launches, because any 360 game can run on the new platform. This is where Sony really, really dropped the ball on the PS3. Probably the CPU wouldn't get a significant bump in speed, but rather get extra general-purpose cores added.

    - Vastly improved build quality. This time I expect them to actually do their R&D properly and not rush to market - they don't need first-mover advantage over Sony - so they should be able to come up with a system that doesn't RRoD repeatedly if you look at it funny.

  • FromTheLandUnknown #144 3 years ago

    I just can not understand these fanboi wars, even if it is for the fact, that I am a little bit on the older side. I think they must be a result of a pent up sexual energy, some deep complexes and /or child abuse.
    Namely everyone is choosing a console from HIS own perspective. Some of them even can afford, and buy all three, along with a PC.
    At least these have more insight than most of us, but that doesn't stop some of them to take sides, so the reason has to do something with the first paragraph.That and the fact, that it IS HIS perspective.
    The fact remains, that no console (or company that manufactures them) is without flaws, if you admit it to yourselves, or not. And these fundamentalistic religious wars confirm it. When somebody realy believes in something, he has no need to fight another conviction or even a religion. It is you, the zealots, the fundamentalists, who are the least sure in your choice, be it a console, conviction or religion, and can not tolerate an argumented discussion because of that.It is namely the valid argument, that enrages you the most, because it further undermines your belief.
    I hope that some day it gets to you, that you do not convince anybody. These debates are futile, because they are convincing the convinced ones, and not contributing to anything.
    Get over the fact, that the life is a complex thing, not a simple black and white one, and that in most cases, there is no absolute truth.Then the things actually go forward and life becomes nicer and easier.
    I'm looking especially at You, @Farticus. I mean, wtf, did someone from Sony raped your prepuberty sister in the ass, or something?Did your wife, if you are old enough to have it, which I doubt very much, that you'll ever be, eloped with some Sony employee?
    In such or similar cases I could partly understand your rage against Sony, but however still think, that it is totally unproductive to hold a grudge against a company as a whole.
    I am not defending a ps3, which i happen to own.On the contrary, I too think, that Sony's PR is annoying as fuck with their statements, of which I ask myself everytime, how much more arogant or simply stupid can they be. I, for myself at least, also do not believe in PS 3 hidden potential and power for a long time already. Even when it is there, I doubt it very much it will be reached very often because a simple fact, that it's much easier to achieve similar results on 360 and PC. I also like FPS genre very much, of which I hear is more prevalent on 360.I also seriously don't like LBP, which was treated like a second ressurection of Jesus, but from MY perspective IS a level editor with playability for retards.
    I was seriously considering a 360 purchase.
    So, you see, I was already very much "converted", and i found some of your arguments very valid ones. But what puts me off in your case, or any similar, be it on Sony's side or not, is the frequency and art of your posting, which borders at some behaviour disorder at least, or some mental disease even.
    This diseased need, to establish an absolute truth, is just that, even vhen you support it with some valid arguments, but Sir, You also include some blatant and utter lies, and when you dont have anything sensible to say, you include "I factor", or YOUR PERSPECTIVE, in other words, which could be interesting, if not so much overrepeated, but NEVER much relevant.
    Also, your claim to be a gamer, a connoisseur even, is as exaggerated, as it can be. COD4 a ten? This overhyped nonsense shit, which I traded not finishing it, a ten? How old are you? Or educated, at least FPS wise? Remember, I like FPS genre, and i can assure you, there are many better ones, even when they don't have such graphics or are much older. And a GTAIV, a one? I mean, I don't like it either, but one?I would not rate so low even LBP, which i dislike immensely. Don't you realize how pathetic you are?And then you dare to comment Uncharted.
    We can do that too, you know, just the majority of us never consider it, you cretin.
    But let me tell you, why I personally still don't have 360 from MY PERSPECTIVE, even when I will include some facts, just to annoy you.
    First reason, as someone else said it, the 360 was until recently supported very bad in our country. It still is, software wise. Online gaming is impossible, because MICROSOFT doesn't recognize, that we exist, and a prepaid cards are not sold anywhere.But I am more into single player, so that wouldnt bother me very much.But anyway, I could be, in your world at least, angry at MS, very much.
    Second, it is UGLY, and LOUD AS SHIT, my wife would not tolerate it, and I still love her more than games, as sick as that may seem to you. MY PERSPECTIVE, REMEMBER?
    Third, Sony did produce a very nice and above all reliable machine (launch 60gb, bc), which doesn't considerably underperform in regard to 360. It does, but not in any meaningful way to me. Apart from that, it is, like it or not, a very good Blueray and other media player, so much, that i dont use other players anymore.
    Fourth, and here I tackle the thing you tell the moust blatant lies about, is 360 UNRELIABILITY:That one has nailed a last nail in my 360 purchase. And I didn't gather data from internet. I have much better and practical source. My friend works in a very large electronics and game shop, which has stores all over our country. They recently adopted 360 in a same way, as ps3. He owned 360, and sold it. When I uttered a wish to buy it, he didn't allow it, and then as an employee showed me some data in a store computer. 360 had around 10% of all console sales, Wii 2-3, the rest PS3. But there was 2-3 times more 360 returned in crude numbers as PS3's!!!And I'm talking Falcons and Jaspers, I checked, so don't begin with that shit...

    As said, this is my perspective, but I will gladly admit, that I would like to play many 360 exclusives, but just will and can not be bothered with returning such piece of junk of a console that 360 is.

    So, is this an absolute truth, apart from console return rates, even if I can not prove it? Absolutely not, it's my perspective. And if I annoyed you 1/100 of that, as you annoyed me with your jihad ( sacred war, you cretin) against Sony, is the purpose of this post fulfilled.

  • FromTheLandUnknown #145 3 years ago

    Get treatment ASAP YOU FUCKING MORON! Now I have put it with much less words, but sorry, no pictures. I hope you get it, you degenerate.
    Edited by FromTheLandUnknown at 01/05/09 @ 16:55

  • ronuds #146 3 years ago

    I could build a house with that wall of text.