PS3 still needs a defining game - Molyneux
Says Fable 2 could be one for Xbox 360.
Lionhead boss Peter Molyneux reckons the PlayStation 3 is still waiting for a console-defining game.
He picked out Wii Sports and Wii Play as those that defined Wii from launch, and even ventured that his own creation, Fable 2, could become a title synonymous with Xbox 360.
"It is always one or two games which define a platform - it's the same for the Wii, and the PlayStation 2," Molyneux told GamesIndustry.biz.
"I think the PlayStation 3 is still waiting for that definition title that represents the platform - and I think that's what hardware manufacturers need to do, find that defining title.
"Nintendo did a brilliant job of doing that at launch with games like Wii Sports and Wii Play - maybe Fable 2 is a defining title. But you are talking to the proud father of this game, so you can't ask me to be tremendously objective," he said.
But there's hope; Molyneux believes LittleBigPlanet - developed by former Lionhead staff and due out a week after Fable 2 - could be the game the PS3 needs.
"If we want to bring people in who haven't played games before, wherever they are in the world and whatever their cultural background, whatever their sex or age, then we've got to think out of the box and start creating stuff which fascinates those people. I think LBP could be one of those," added Molyneux.
Fable 2 is due out exclusively for Xbox 360 on 24th October.
Head over to GamesIndustry.biz for part one of the interview with Peter Molyneux, where he talks about Fable 2 being one of the big hopes for Xbox 360 in Japan.
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This is going to get messy
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LBP could be it, but I'm still waiting to see how much game there is after a week or 2. Platforming is all nice and well, but without goals it might be kinda random and pointless.
Agrees on the team Ico game. The whole reason I bought a PS2 was for Ico. Hurry up and show me something one screen, even a freaking idea would be cool at this stage.
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Typo? Or: FABLE 3, CONFIRMED!!!
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It won't, trust me, as far as LBP being a defining game I don't think so. 2D games are a step backwards,it's been done to death.
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I'm looking forward to Fable 2 (one of two 360 titles this year - quess the other one!) but it doesn't look like any "defining" game either - I'l be satisfied with not-as-soddy-as-the-first-game.
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Have you completely missed the concept behind LBP?
Hardly "just another 2D platformer"...
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(sorry)
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Xbox360 = Halo
PS3 = LBP
That's how it works. Fable2 will not move consoles like Halo can.
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Wii - defining game Wii Sports - exceptionally fun inclusive title => Massive sales
360 - defining game Gears - superb game, but lacking in universal appeal => Huge sales
PS3 - defining game MGS4 - great game hidden amongst too many cut scenes, again lacks universal appeal => Not so good sales
LBP has potential to branch out into more inclusion for the PS3 - it has certain gameplay structures and design which benefits this. I'm not so sure though, some of the elements are more hardcore - create and the core single player gameplay. It's certainly a strong, great looking brand though - and that is something the PS3 needs more of to distinguish it.
Actually I tend to disagree that platforms need a defining game at all. Maybe back in the days of the Megadrive and SNES where it was Sonic vs. Mario. The bigger two platforms just need a really good spread of great games across all genres. That is what did it for the PS2. For me the 360 is still doing better in this regard, but the PS3 is coming on stronger now.
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"without goals it might be kinda random and pointless"
Heaven forbid a game stand up on the fun and enjoyment of the gameplay ...
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I think LBP has the potential to be a defining game for the PS3 though, for no other reason than that it's protagonist is, like the game, so customiseable that you can make it look like any other game-character. And that seems very fitting! You can make sackboy look like Ratchet, Kratos, Snake, Nate H, Nate D, Lara or whichever other game character, and that really suits the versatility of the platform. I'm not saying the other platforms aren't versatile, but the Playstation has been known for it. With the PS3 it's been part of its problem (harder to market than say focussing singly on wii-mote, or in the case of Microsoft probably on Live), but now versatility and customisation has gotten a face, and it's sackboy.
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I await LBP to define the system (although I think sales will be conservative)
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I'm also tired of this rare is over the hill shit because one guy said so.I wonder how many actually played VP or are gonna give Banjo even a try, critics should try first, then talk.
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"Both MGS4 and Halo are not defining, they don't do much new shit compared to their previous versions so they can't define a machine."
MGS4 set new standards in cut scenes
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"I still don't believe LBP has the appeal to 'hardcore' gamers to be a system seller. No matter how good it is."
Does it need to? Do Wii Sports and Wii Fit really appeal to 'hardcore' gamers? They are certainly system sellers - they are fun - but I wouldn't say either appeal to the 'hardcore', despite getting lots of enjoyment out of them myself.
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Anyway, this is a less than subtle way for Moly to say "my game is the defining game of this genre, you should all aspire to have it" rather than any informed comment on PS3 game iconic status thangs.
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Awesome. Breathtaking.
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Maybe LBP or Resistence 2 or Killzone 2...
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A disappointment.
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God of War III could be one such title for PS3. Maybe.
But both Gears and Halo are 360's, and maybe Fable 2 will be a third one. Certainly it was the Halos and Fables that definied xbox 1 for me personally.
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Dead Rising is more defining than all of the above for instance. LBP looks like that as well. Fable might.
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In the grand scheme of all things PS3 my money's on LBP.
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I dont buy console until a game comes out i have to play......
/looks at PS3 next to Wii and 360
/whistles
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He said "It is always one or two games which define a platform".
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Quote from IGN review:
Owners of some gaming systems have to wait years before they get a true "killer app," but PlayStation 3 users get theirs on day one. Insomniac's Resistance: Fall of Man is far and away the most impressive title on the console -- delivering on everything that it promised with a strong single-player experience, plenty of kick-ass multiplayer options, and stellar gameplay mechanics that equal those found in other elite shooters.
Don't get my sarcasm wrong. I enjoyed Resistance a lot when I played it through and I'm waiting to play R2. Even when I'm more X360-man than PS3-man I'd still rather have R2 any day than GoW2.
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Surprised you didn't quote the EuroGamer 6/10 review.
I think LBP could be the defining app for PS3, but it has to be successful both critically and commercially for it to be defining, and I have concerns for LBP that it be outstanding in the former, but mediocre in the latter.
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Halo and Gears are the defining titles of the 360, not Fable 2. Just as halo was a defining title for the original XB, and Fable 1 wasn't.
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ps3 defining i tells ya! "
No, I see Lair being retooled or Wii.. sitting in the couch, a wiimote in each hand and flapping our arms... OH THE PAIN!!!
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It was for me. Not the single player campaign but the online mode which runs circles around Halo and COD4 reg. lag, stability, smoothness (is that a real word?)... and fun
And having played the R2 private beta, I'm really looking forward to R2 now
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I'm not Gears biggest fan but it does exactly what it set out to do very, very well. Where does it fail exactly?
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MP is a joke. And while its very nice to look at, the plotline in SP is so hackneyed it could have been written by the same people who do Neighbours. These ofc are only my opinions, but if I were to believe the hype, then I would have thought it was the 2nd Coming of the games world.
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Oooh touchy
Adressing doubts about what something could be is something else than saying "this sucks because they made shit I didn't like so the whole studio is crap and everything they make will be crap because of it",
I never said that. Might be doens't equal fact, just a thought. But seeing as I probably will end up in a fanboy discussion right about now, bye.
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Lenght!
I enjoyed Gears but it was just waaay to short. Sounds like Gears 2 will be longer though.
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If the game is that good, shut your mouth and let the reviews/public decide how good it is and word of mouth will do the rest.
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And if the reviews public scored it really high?
This is the same as Jaffe, Kojima, Cliffy B, Dyack,
Or Spielberg, Cameron, all actors in any movie preview ever (this movie is s much fun and everyone was terrific). Never watch movies again?
Just ignore it.
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"I've done it for XBox. Sony, make me an offer"
:-D
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Oh look at my nice level I have created, you can jump around on it if you like! Sorry, but, just sounds boring.
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Oh Dear
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I'm not sure the story was ever hyped up that much - though I suppose you could argue the "Mad World" trailer implied there was a lot more to the story than the crap that it was. I don't really care for the story in shooters to be honest - see my earlier comment on LBP - the gameplay itself is the core component and that has to be right. Gears set exceptional new standards from third person shooters in that regard and has not been surpassed.
MP I too never got on with, always felt a bit out of control - might be my aging "skillz" mind
Kind of brings me on to the next point. These days as "gamers" we expect to enjoy any game which is supposed to be "good". It's completely unrealistic though due to the diversity even within sub-genres let alone genres. Elements such as story and MP may mean you aren't so impressed with Gears, but for others the overriding factors will be the enjoyment they get from the gunplay and even the MP which you and I fail to enjoy.
Gaming as a hobby has matured significantly in what can be found to quench our thirsts as gamers. There are no longer single games which every gamer should enjoy or even appreciate - maybe there never were, but the diversity is much greater now than it ever has been. All we need now is for gamers themselves should mature a little and realise this.
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Why do you assume you should like it?
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Everyone here is a geek, including you, you're on a videogame forum for godsake.
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I retract my earlier suggestion of GTA3 SA, I think the other person who mentioned Gran Turismo / God of War was right.
God of War just reeks "Playstation".
As does Gears of War for 360, and Halo for Xbox.
DS, it's Brain Training ... unfortunately. That's what everyone knows it for... "the brain training thing".
I can't think of anything for the PS3... I don't think it has one yet... something, that when you mention it's name, conjures "PS3" into mind.
Unfortunately MGS (as a series) is too multiplatform and a little too niché as well to be defining.
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Kojima doesn't take every conceivable opportunity to shoehorn a plug for his game, he does interviews and answers questions.
Molyneux comes out with outlandish statements just to grab a bit of limelight for his titles.
For the record, I watch very little in the way of Hollywood films, I prefer niche stuff that has a bit of originality to it.
Korean cinema especially.
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He's hardly going to come out and say "I reckon Fable 2 will be shit and people will actually stop buying the 360 because of it" is he?
Still - I reckon it'll be great and can't wait for my preordered copy to arrive.
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Fair enough, that's just Japanese humility I guess.
@ranger1
So defining means exclusive then? Or first Party?
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Really? Fuck all of them.
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To its utter long-term detriment - big picture.
No doubt at all for me that LBP is going to be the icon for the PS3 - whether it'll be any good is another matter ...
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I'm not English, so could you rephrase that in somewhat dumber language. Don't know what it means. "P
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Oh do fuck off, Peter.
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He at least admits that he's not in an position to be objective about Fable 2, but these are the sort of hyping comments he makes about all his games. Why does he bother? Wouldn't it be nice if Molyneux secretly worked on a game and kept quiet. Imagine how good it could be if he put his energy into the game rather than hyping it!
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I think Bonker is implying that Gears being the defining title for the 360 is not a good thing in the long term. If you want to be seriously mass market you need defining titles with more appeal across the spectrum of people you want to sell to. How ever good Gears is as a game it will never appeal to a significant majority of your target audience.
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"He's hardly going to come out and say "I reckon Fable 2 will be shit and people will actually stop buying the 360 because of it" is he?"
He kind of came close ... link.
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You're right of course. And MS is def. trying to change it this season. They see that too.
Sony has the same problem though with PS3. I still think Killzone 2 will be more defining for PS3 than LBP. For the same reason. Young male adapters who are willing to pay money for fancy shit. LBP will be quite big with the hardcore/ gamers over here. Liitle Susy will play Singstar on her brothers PS3., not buy one herself when PS2 is also supplying that need. Or Wii is giving her Cooking Momma. It's just still too expensive.
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Yes, pithy and to the point.
I dont necessarily share that view but laughed my arse off when I read it..... Thanks for brightening up an otherwise dull afternoon at work!
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never on ps2 , ps1 , will be the same for ps3.
Molyneux tend to make comparaisons with MS. MS needed to be different. Not Sony.
Plus :a console doesn't really need a defining game to be successfull , Sony with "playstation" will continu to feed mostly entry customers from its brandrecognition.
Sony will give LBP just the attention needed , no more.
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Fable failed to live up to many of the promises, but was in no way a flop. It still sold extremely well, recieved excellent reviews and is still generally considered a very good game. It was original, fun and just plain enjoyable, despite the fact that many of the features that were originally promised were dropped before release.
If you've been paying any attention to the sequel, you'll know this isn't the case, this time around. There's been very little coverage, and what features have been hyped up, have all been domonstrated on screen. And of course, we have a much better idea of what to expect this time around.
Even with all the hype, I still consider the original Fable to be one of the defining games on the Xbox, and it looks like the sequel will do the same for the 360.
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Haven't been reading our local F2 thread then eh? I suggest that you do...
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BECAUSE I SAY SO! STOP HAVING SO MUCH FUN WITH THESE GAMES!!!!
twit.
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And yes, I know I'm in the minority
I'm really looking forward to Fable 2, I think the art style is fooking lovely, and the online and combat system both sound pretty cool. I'm not expecting it to redefine gaming or anything, and it certainly wont shift 360's like Halo and Gears Of War can, but it still looks like one of the better titles this Chrimbo.
And some of you are clearly feeling a little too much hatred for this guy, it's a bit strange. So he's bigging up his product, big fucking deal.
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He always falls short fable2 will be good until you finish the game in 8 hours and never play it again.
Fallout is the rpg of the year.
Molyneux hasnt done a great game since syndicate.
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Yeah, LBP will be the defining game for PS3 no doubt about it.
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Why doesn't he find a nice warm box, and crawl into it.
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