PS3 has outsold Xbox 360 in Europe

By Ellie Gibson Published 6 May, 2008

So says SCEE boss, with 5m shifted.

SCEE boss David Reeves has told the audience at the PlayStation Day conference that Sony is beating Microsoft in the console battle - in Europe, at least.

"I am delighted to be able announce today that we have sold more PlayStation 3s throughout Europe than Xbox 360 - even though they launched sixteen months before PS3," he said.

More than 5 million PS3 consoles have now been shifted in Europe, according to Reeves. "We are particularly proud of this as it has been achieved in a similar time frame as PlayStation 2 which retailed, if you remember, at a significantly lower price," he said.

Referring to Xbox 360, Reeves said Sony's machine has been outselling its closest competitor since October 2007, despite the latest price cut. He offered no comment on sales of the Wii.

Reeves also said 12 million PSP handhelds and 48 million PS2s have been sold in Europe. He added, "These numbers are a testament to the strength of the PlayStation brand throughout our region, the ever-increasing number of titles being launched, the rich content on offer and its appeal to different demographics and cultures."

Other stats revealed at the event included the fact that 3.2 million gamers have now registered on PlayStation Network, and more than 57 million items of content have been downloaded from the PlayStation Store.

Sales of EyeToy games have now reached 6.7 million, while for Buzz! the figure is 6 million and for SingStar it's 12 million. On average, each SingStar PS3 owner has paid for and downloaded six additional songs.

Reeves said new global hardware sales figures will be revealed in Tokyo next week. He reiterated that by the end of 2007 more than 10.5 million PS3s, 34 million PSPs and 127 million PS2s had been sold around the world.

So what's helped PS3 reach the 5 million mark in Europe? It's all about "the quality of the software", reckons Reeves. "And now with exclusive titles such as Haze, LBP, Resistance, MotorStorm, customers are buying into PS3 as the ultimate gaming system."

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  • redneon Verified Programmer, SUMO Digital #1 4 years ago

    Qualityofthesoftwarelol.

  • drumbaby #2 4 years ago

    At least 360 still outsells PS3 in USA....right?

  • Vice.Destroyer #3 4 years ago

    Erm, and so it begins. Playstation has found a new home at the top of the tree in Europe. Congratulations. Let's hope that 360 fights back.
    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 18:29

  • Madlax #4 4 years ago

    I,m glad europe is making the right decision, there is absolutely no reason to pay for online gaming.....ever.

    Never accept less than what you deserve, until Microsoft stop charging for online gaming, europe should really boycot them.

    Edit:missing word


    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 18:35

  • bengray66 #5 4 years ago

    there is absolutely no reason to pay for online.....ever.

    Please tell me where you get your free internet, the free console you play it over and the free games?

  • MrChallacombe #6 4 years ago

    Quality of the software!!
    Both Motorstorm and resistance are good at best - hardly system sellers
    LBP and Haze aren't even out yet.

    Most of the big games of the last year were either on 360 or both.

    PS3 is probably selling well due to being a cheap high-quality blu-ray player. Can't be the games

    (note to self - why did i buy one in january?)

  • CitizenGeek #7 4 years ago

    My loyalties lie firmly with the PlayStation brand (for various reasons) so this news is great! :D

  • neil_likes_bums #8 4 years ago

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  • GamesConnoisseur #9 4 years ago

    Good news for SCEE, is it that much of a good news for European PS3 fans/owners? Just look at the other PS3 news today in EG regarding the MSG4 PS3 pack. Look at the difference what is available for US and Europe, the inclusion of DualShock 3 or SixAxis, that say much about how easy Europe is to win for Sony. We must be so easy for them not to consider more thoughtfully how to add value as available for our dear cousins across the pond.

    /Should have been born a Yank or even better a Canuck or whatever they call Canadians!

  • Hangman #10 4 years ago

    Yeah right, sony pulls figures out there arse all the time, pretty soon they'll announce they've SOLD not SHIPPED those totals, tards

  • LeD #11 4 years ago

    Shipped etc.

  • Inquisitor #12 4 years ago

    Ironic that Europe loves a brand that treated them so badly in the past.

    At least Microsoft treat us as almost an equal with the states, with Sony we're simply the continent who are there to take a raping and, from these sales figures, happy to do so.

  • Gaol #13 4 years ago

    "At least 360 still outsells PS3 in USA....right? "

    Nope, PS3 has outsold it almost all weeks since turn of the year.

    Don't ask me why though...

  • LeD #14 4 years ago

    MY PENIS > YOUR PENIS

  • wewillselfdestruct #15 4 years ago

    @ Inquisitor
    "At least Microsoft treat us as almost an equal with the states"

    That's true - they sell us the same defective hardware they sell everybody else ;)

    But more pertinently - he talks about platform exclusives and mentions Haze but not MSG4? If either of those titles were to go multiformat down the road, the smart money would be on Haze. Ubi aren't known for their platform exclusives. So could this be a clear indication that MGS4 will be coming to 360 at some point? Probably not, but it's always fun to perpetuate a rumour.
    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 18:57

  • killyourtv #16 4 years ago

    ps3 owns

  • Rash' #17 4 years ago

    wewillselfdestruct, No sorry. He clearly states MGS4 as PS3 exclusive. Read the live text.

  • thewolfiv #18 4 years ago

    the other ones got bells on it....

  • smelly #19 4 years ago

    >Qualityofthesoftwarelol.

    Nah.. more like:

    Qualityofthehardwarelol.

  • Waldo #20 4 years ago

    JUST WAIT UNTIL ______ COMES OUT!

  • smelly #21 4 years ago

    "Cant you just accept the 360 has not sold the best everywher?

    be content with it having sold well full stop"


    it hasnt though really has it? it's been out for 3 years and has only hit 20 milion.. That's not much better than the original xbox.

  • smelly #22 4 years ago

    "As long my PS3 doesn't break and the AAA titles keep coming I don't find any reason to complain as that's exactly what I want from a gaming console."


    For me the decision was easy.. All the games i wanted to play on 360 are out on the ps3 as well.

    But the ps3 has more EXCLUSIVES (that i cant play elsewhere) that i want to play.

    Added to which the blue ray drive and the hardware reliability and it was an easy choice.

  • wewillselfdestruct #23 4 years ago

    Dear mem,

    Please accept these as gifts from me to you:

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    Use accordingly.

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    PS Also is your Caps Lock key broken?

  • Rash' #24 4 years ago

    "it hasnt though really has it? it's been out for 3 years and has only hit 20 milion.. That's not much better than the original xbox."

    That's an interesting point Smelly. It didn't occure to me before that in the same space of time as the original Xbox MS seem to have shifted less units. It makes more sense now why Sony keep referencing PS2 sales figures when talking about PS3 penetration rates. Their benchmark is their own figure with good reason... it's PS2.

  • mikew1985 #25 4 years ago

    @ Madlax

    Give it a rest already, you say the same thing over and over and it's beyond boring.

    Just because you believe one thing doesn't mean others should.

  • StixxUK #26 4 years ago

    I still think it's kind of odd.

    I literally only know one person that's got a PS3 and he got it through some dodgy pyramid scheme.

    I know about 6 people with 360s and fuck knows how many with Wiis.

  • dsmx #27 4 years ago

    @Rash' that thought hadn't occurred to me either. It does mean that microsoft haven't managed to get any significant new customers for the xbox brand and they've sold xbox 360's mainly to people who owned an xbox last gen.

  • jovus #28 4 years ago

    @StixxUK
    I know one person with xbox360(i've heard that he has it, did not see it dough), and around 10 to 15 ppl with ps3. I live in Serbia, and when you say console here, you either thing of Sega(mega drive 2) or playstation. its just like that, ppl asociate console with those words, and only acept playstation.

  • Frumper #29 4 years ago

    If these figures are correct then the 360 really is doomed.

    The PS3 has had no AAA titles, it's been reasonably expensive (you can argue a same 360 would cost the same but Joe Bloggs perception has been that it's expensive), Cross platform games have mostly been less than equal 360 ports, BC removed, second rate yet free on-line, no rumble and in my opinion the sixaxis/dual shock controller is and has always been a poor controller. And yet it sells by the bucket load.

    This can't just be for Blu-ray surely. When the games do, hopefully, arrive it's going to be a monster!

  • Madlax #30 4 years ago

    "@ Madlax

    Give it a rest already, you say the same thing over and over and it's beyond boring.

    Just because you believe one thing doesn't mean others should."

    Calm down MIke, i,m not pulling a gun over your head to agree with me....this is simply what i believe.

    And to be honest with you, the reason i hate Microsoft is not the gaming devision, its Windows. ;)

  • TagemandBagem #31 4 years ago

    "Ironic that Europe loves a brand that treated them so badly in the past."

    'Your problem Bret, is the kind of girls you go for. You're attracted to bastards. Bastard girls.'

  • ronuds #32 4 years ago

    @ swam

    "Early indications are that the Ps3 has benefited more from GTAIV than the 360 as a platform, even though the larger install base of the 360 saw it sell around 80% more units in the US."

    PS3 sales apparently "grew" by 127% over the first week of GTA IV's release and the 360's hardware sales grew by 125%, so not much of a difference. Not nearly as much as I had expected, anyway.

    360 version of GTA sold about 100k more copies. This is in the UK only, of course.

    [link url=http://www.mcvuk.com/news/30468/360-out selling-PS3-in-GTA-software-battle
    ]http://ww w.mcvuk.com/news/30468/360-outs...[/link]

    So it looks like this generation will end up with the Wii, of course, taking all territories while the PS3 takes Europe and the 360 takes the US. Before you counter the US claim, know that the PS3 would have to outsell the 360 by 100k a month for the next 4 or 5 years to overtake it.

  • Kryon #33 4 years ago

    smelly, swam = cretins. Good news for Sony though, I guess. I feel the death of HD DVD has a big part to play in this scenario.

  • GrandpaUlrira #34 4 years ago

    So part of the boast is about how the PS3 has sold about the same as the PS2 but costs 'significantly' more? Awesome. Awesome to the Max.

  • ElNino9 #35 4 years ago

    God, this thread could be interesting come the morning.

    /sets up popcorn stand

  • hula hoops #36 4 years ago

    That article should actually read:

    "The PS3 is winning in Europe even though we have shafted the european gamers by waiting for the console a year after the Japanese and a few good months after the Americans. We, Sony Entertainment, are proud to be once again the preferred console maker of these fools".

    The End.

  • Ihya #37 4 years ago

    Good news.

  • Ryze #38 4 years ago

    Interesting.

    Shame those 5m aren't buying any games.

  • schoozzzmmii #39 4 years ago

    I was a big fan of the original Xbox and have been loving the 360 since it was released. But recently i've been thoroughly screwed by Microsoft customer services. When the wireless racing wheel got recalled I sent mine back as per instructions. After six or seven calls to customer support over a period of a few months and with them telling me each time to be patient on the repair, finally a threat of court action caused them to say they'd never received it and that it must have been the fault of the courier. They have since been quite happy to see me out of pocket by 70 quid.

    After the way they've treated me I'm pretty much rejoicing in this news and am planning on getting a PS3 as soon as little big planet is released. The only thing that has me hanging on to my 360 is RezHD and Ikaruga which I really don't want to lose.

  • pollster #40 4 years ago

    Well I hope those these new PS3 owners feel better about their purchase than I do. I bought one at launch (the hype got me) and i'm totally underwhelmed. Most people I know have a 360 and take the piss out of me for spending so much on one (I evently bought I 360 too). 'Quality of the software' - complete bollox! Come on Sony, justify my purchase!

  • Andy247 #41 4 years ago

    Quality of the software.... have I missed something? Do you even get games for the PS3?

  • CitizenGeek #42 4 years ago

    Considering most people branded the PS3 a failure after the first two months, this news really flies in the face of those doomsayers.

  • Vic #43 4 years ago

    Looks like Europe has had its say on RROD and rip-off accessories.

  • MBar #44 4 years ago

    Wow, this race for second place is really awesome.

    Not.

  • Rash' #45 4 years ago

    pollster, Justify your purchase? Go and buy some games, man. Oblivion, Burnout, Warhawk, Resistance, Motorstorm, Uncharted, GTA, Tekken, Super Stardust, Everyday Shooter, Gripshift, flow and CoD4. Then look at the games coming this year. What more justification do you need? If you're not happy then get rid, but stop spouting uninformed bull.

  • Frandroid #46 4 years ago

    While the PS3 may have out sold the X360 in Europe, I suspect that the X360 has sold more in the UK. We seem to be more similar market to the US than mainland europe.
    Also, claiming dominance through the quality of their games and then naming games not yet released, betrays the argtument slightly. To be honest, I'm a little mystified at the PS3's success, I have no real desire to get one - it's exclusives don't really appeal to me. That said, if I didn't have an X360 and was contemplating the purcahse now, BluRay would be a powerful lure.

  • byron_hinson #47 4 years ago

    I still find it funny that people are surprised by this - the PS3 has been outselling the 360 over here for months so how is it a surprise that it has managed to overtake the overall sales of the 360 in a shorter timeframe? People state they have been screwed over by Sony in the past which I agree with, yet MS had been selling everyone faulty 360's that they knew were problematic and that's just as bad if not worse in my view.

  • Rash' #48 4 years ago

    MBar, Wow this race for HD is really awesome...

  • schoozzzmmii #49 4 years ago

    Certainly i've had enough of the rip-off accessories. It's not so much that they're overpriced but they are very badly supported. I picked up a vision camera as part of a live gold account subscription. It only added a tenner on to the price and I still feel ripped off. I mean, what is the actual point of it. It's used in about three games and in none of them is it used in a interesting manner.

  • pollster #50 4 years ago

    Rash - I bought my PS3 over a year ago for Sony exlusives - So far all i've got is second rate xbox conversions.
    This is why Sony's "Quality of the software" comment is complete rubbish! In my eyes the only reason why the PS3 has sold so well is that some people will by anything with a Sony badge on it. (and up until now, me included)
    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 20:05

  • DUFFKING #51 4 years ago

    Is there a group for people who couldn't give a fuck which console is winning, hate fanboyism, and rather than argue about which game has a better FPS on which console, would rather FUCKING PLAY THEIR GAMES AND ENJOY THEM, and hope that Sony, MS and Nintendo shut the hell up and get on with making games?

    How to tell if a forum poster is a gamer: check to see if they are a fanboy. Fanboys aren't gamers, they're twats.

    The games industry is the biggest fucking joke in the world. Both the people who make the consoles and the people who play the games are a bunch of morons.
    Edited by 2 at 06/05/08 @ 20:09

  • Rash' #52 4 years ago

    pollster, The public aren't that gullible, the PS brand sells because it's a prove commodity. You think PS1 and 2 sold because Sony didn't know what they were doing? Yes, they've made mistakes but all companies are falliable. To believe they're not and to expect otherwise... well that's gullible.
    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 20:11

  • mattigan #53 4 years ago

    I prefer the 360, do I lose?

  • byron_hinson #54 4 years ago

    Nope you don't lose - I love it too - but own all three, I don't really care but it's still no surprise to see it outsell the 360 here - they didn't sell enough when they got the massive gap between the launches that and the RROD didn't help.

  • ronuds #55 4 years ago

    @ Rash
    "the public aren't that gullible"

    Are you serious? EA sales say otherwise...

  • byron_hinson #56 4 years ago

    @ronuds - yeah can't understand why they would buy Fifa 08, Euro 2008, The Sims, Boom Blox etc when they are good titles, the idiots.

  • InsoFox #57 4 years ago

    I have to know who the PS3 is selling in europe. I know one guy with one, and he's well off.

    But anyway, assuming the PS3 can get it together a bit better than it is at the moment, maybe I'll even buy one a year or two down the line. Until that point, it seems to me there's just no contest. Which is a shame because the PS2 is one of the best consoles ever.

  • Ryze #58 4 years ago

    @DUFFKING

    You're shouting at blinkered geeks - you'll get nowhere with most of them, and that's why gaming remains largely stigmatised and poorly represented in the mainstream.

  • byron_hinson #59 4 years ago

    @InsoFox - That's almost as non-point making as me stating 3 friends own a 360 and 11 others own the PS3 here from me - it doesn't mean anything just because you don't know people who own it, others do.

  • ronuds #60 4 years ago

    Well, pointing out 4 of their 30 franchises that sell well doesn't really prove any type of point.

    Army of Two? NFS? MoH? Etc....

  • Rash' #61 4 years ago

    ronuds, EA release notoriously bad games is a last gen myth. They released Burnout and Orange Box after all.

  • byron_hinson #62 4 years ago

    @Ronuds - Medal of Honour Airbourne got good reviews too. But its like stating any companies around, they all produce some shit! But we'll forget Burnout, Crisis etc too won't we eh.
    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 20:28

  • Rash' #63 4 years ago

    ronuds, MoH was one time a good game and NFS isn't a bad game. Not a great game but then it's not the public's faulty that not enough games are catered for that particular market.

  • Ryze #64 4 years ago

    @mattigan

    You'll continue to reap gaming goodness for years to come. The hardcore chose the 360, and if MS keep up with the improvements, decent games and new features, then 360 is going to be around for a very long time to come. the PS3, regardless of it's userbase, just can't compete with the gaming experience that I've had so far with my Falcon Elite.

    PS3 is... a sexy Blu-Ray player with a few nice games and some future potential if Sony do the right things. It's way too hard to develop games for, but worthwhile in the long-term if things go well. I'll join the party in a couple of years once it's started. Hopefully by then I'll be able to see which of my friends is online, and message them while playing games and listening to a custom soundtrack.

  • themorganator #65 4 years ago

    @ Madlax

    LIVE costs because its really, really good. PSN is free because it pales in comparison. I know this because i have both consoles and I'd rather pay £40 for a year of great service than accept a bad one for free. I couldn't care less about whether PS3 outsells 360 or not - its all about the games people and I'll continue to use my ps3 for Blu Ray films and my 360 for games.

  • Ryze #66 4 years ago

    @swam

    ...rather than the PS3 fanboy site that you'd be better off commenting on...

  • Rash' #67 4 years ago

    Ryze, don't expect to wait too long.

  • byron_hinson #68 4 years ago

    @themorganator I agree its a great service and I'm lucky enough to get it free each year - but to me £40 is still too much for online gaming, its not like you get anything else from it other than that as the demos etc are never exclusives to gold users anymore. The major differences are the guide and friends list that Sony really need to pull their fingers out with,
    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 20:32

  • Rash' #69 4 years ago

    byron_hinson, when that in game xmb is introduced later this year the pressure will on MS to re-evaluate isn't online strategy. Online gaming isn't a problem in my experience it's that lack of features when in game.
    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 20:33

  • ronuds #70 4 years ago

    @ Rash

    That's certainly a matter of opinion. I don't see many, if any, of their games ranking too highly...they seem to top out at around 85% for their best efforts. Certainly not what I'd call quality products from the 2nd largest publisher in the entire world.

  • byron_hinson #71 4 years ago

    @Rash - I agree with you but right now I feel its vaporware

  • CaptCastle #72 4 years ago

    Awesome news.

    That means both major consoles have sold millions of units in Europe. Check that out, MILLIONS! Regardless of which you own that means both consoles have an install base that makes developing games for either financially viable. Whether you own one or both I think this console war is already won, by us, the gamers! Go us! Woohoo!

  • Rash' #73 4 years ago

    ronuds, People used to argue that about Sega but they still had jewels in their crown. Personally, when a publisher offers games like Paradise and Orange Box then they aren't that bad in my book. Are you telling me the games buying public are gullible for buying those two games???
    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 20:37

  • JediMasterMalik #74 4 years ago

    I'm getting really sick and tired of the argument that because a certain person doesn't see value in the PS3 as a games machine, the rest of us must be morons for buying the thing. Really childish points of views, I really don't know whether hardcore gamers were always this immature, but it seems this may the reason gaming as an industry is finding it difficult to be taken more seriously.

  • ronuds #75 4 years ago

    @ Rash

    I didn't say ALL of their games are rubbish, but you also can't tell me that all of them that do sell well are good either. I mean, EA alone accounted for something around 30% of ALL games sales last year in the UK. With the quality of games we've been getting these days, there's little justification for it and personally I'd like to see the 2nd largest publisher held to a higher standard.

    I guess if you had a 360 you'd know what I'm talking about. :p

  • captainrentboy #76 4 years ago

    Quite simply, as long as I get another couple of years quality gaming from the console that I chose (360). I couldn't give two flying fucks which of these two big companies gets that super special prize of SECOND place in this console war.
    £350 initial spendout on my console, and 5 years entertainment from it, isn't something to get pissed off about.
    And everyone who isn't a rediculous fanboy should surely be thinking along the same lines :/

  • Masarin #77 4 years ago

    And I feel ready for the next genereation and it sure won't be Sony that will produce one first. So when Sony catches up with the XBOX 360 there are other news on the horizon. :-)

  • Ryze #78 4 years ago

    @Rash'

    I've waited way too long over the past 5 years for Sony to get things right:

    PS2 online play
    PSP online play
    PS3 online play
    PSP Gran Turismo
    PSP video / TV / movie downloads
    PSP sequential video playback
    PSP web browser
    PSP keyboard
    PSP voicechat
    PS2 Gran Turismo 4 with online play
    PS3 / PS2 backwards compatibility
    PS3 vibration controller
    PSP Sat Nav / GPS
    PSP music downloads
    PSP right-analogue
    PSP broken D-pad
    PS2 broken DVD drives
    PS3 BD drive speed
    PSP optional game memstick game installs
    PSP messaging

    I've stopped waiting by avoiding buying their products until they've actually finished them and stopped lying and wildly speculating to entice stupid people while insulting my intelligence.

    Sexy Blu-Ray player, though.

    I like.

    /2 years...

  • septimus #79 4 years ago

    I'm sure this news didn't read well on 3u60gamer. Awww :(

    /own all 3 but dislike xbots, even more than Nintendo fans.
    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 20:54

  • Ryze #80 4 years ago

    ^ prick

  • Xerx3s #81 4 years ago

    "I,m glad europe is making the right decision, there is absolutely no reason to pay for online gaming.....ever.

    Never accept less than what you deserve, until Microsoft stop charging for online gaming, europe should really boycot them. "

    Ah yes, this kind of stupidity is why ms will never stand a chance really.

  • Tuffty #82 4 years ago

    @ DUFFKING

    +1. I couldn't care less about which version of a game has a higer framerate or slightly grainier textures. Also not the type of person to go, 'Oh this game only sold 2mil? LOLZ. EPIC FAIL' I mean we're gamers, we're not meant to care about sales, let the publishers/developers care if it made expectations or not. Absolutely unnecessary to get into a flame war online. I know people probably want to justify their purchases, but just sit back and thank God you live in an age where there's 3 home consoles with excellent choices in software as well as 2 portable gaming machines.

  • Dizzy #83 4 years ago

    So Sony sold more PS3 in Europe than in US? Impressive.

    Guess we like it up the ass here.

  • Ryze #84 4 years ago

    The latest 360s are perfect for gaming and ok for movies.

    The latest PS3s are perfect for movies and ok for gaming.

    I think I've made a great choice so far, and I know that Eurogamer is the right website to visit having made that choice.

  • Rash' #85 4 years ago

    I don't need a 360 to know that the games on MS's console have done little to stop the Wii's continued success. I think your issue is with the mass market which is a large section of EA's business. The mass market aren't gullible, they just know what they like and not enough companies cater for their needs. The Wii is a perfect example of that. Look how long it's taking the third parties to catch up with Ninty and their strategy for mass market success. If more companies cratered for the mass market, the competition would improve the quality of the content and you wouldn't be sitting here generalising the public as gullible for buying into that which interests them. Not everybody is a like minded gamer. Content is king and tastes are different. This industry's immaturity hasn't allowed it to understand that.
    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 21:04

  • ronuds #86 4 years ago

    @ trebell

    It's not doing worse...it's a bunch of FUD people are trying to spread to make the 360 seem a failure because compared to last generation, that's about what PS3 sales are. To go from the position Sony was in last gen to where they are today certainly can't seem like a success.

  • ronuds #87 4 years ago

    @ Rash

    Agree to disagree.

    My contention isn't regarding games no other publishers offer, like the Sims. It's about games that others do offer and are much better, yet since they don't have an "EA" slapped on them, don't get the sales.

    Like if COD4 didn't sell well, but Frontlines did sort of thing...

  • Xerx3s #88 4 years ago

    Tuffty: That's pretty disappointing as in the old days we used to have a lot more choice in consoles in a faaaaaaaar smaller market. 3 = too little imo.

    Ryze: There is no right choice other than the choice of the platform which suits your taste best.

    It's funny though, put all consoles on the market together and they would still be eclipsed by pc sales. We don't hear any of the companies about that (there was a nice little article on the forum a while back). :D

  • Rash' #89 4 years ago

    ronuds, I think it's wrong to demonize one company for that, especially when said company is making efforts to improve their output.
    Edited by 2 at 06/05/08 @ 21:12

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #90 4 years ago

    Jedi master malik "I'm getting really sick and tired of the argument that because a certain person doesn't see value in the PS3 as a games machine, the rest of us must be morons for buying the thing. Really childish points of views, I really don't know whether hardcore gamers were always this immature, but it seems this may the reason gaming as an industry is finding it difficult to be taken more seriously."

    You mean your getting really sick and tired of people that dont agree with you and their point of view is therefore childish? And the fact that not everyone thinks the PS3 is worth buying is the reason that the games industry is failing to be taken seriously? ROFL
    It may just be that you have contributed to their backlash by sounding so blinkered in the past, yes you've toned down recently but you used to be one of the most fervent Pro sony people of these comments sections.

  • ronuds #91 4 years ago

    @ trebell

    I don't know why, but I find that in EG's comments sections there is more nonsense than it most other parts of the web. Though, from what I hear, the SDF fansite takes the cake like no other.

  • ronuds #92 4 years ago

    @ Rash

    I'm very surprised to find someone who feels the way you do about EA. It seems more rare to find one like you than someone who agrees that EA is held to a lower standard than everyone else. It's like a breath of flatulant air rather than fresh.

    Not holding them to higher standards will only compound the problem. Not saying all of their franchises are horrible, but many of them are - and the fact they've trashed many fan favorites they've "acquired" over the years only makes it worse. Not to mention, but nearly alll movie franchises they own end up not being worthwhile purchases in the least. I love LoTR and Potter, but I'd never buy the games as long as EA's behind it.

  • Xerx3s #93 4 years ago

    We used to have a SDF group. But they mysteriously disbanded after a certain thread.

    /looks at certain people
    /grabs chair

  • JediMasterMalik #94 4 years ago

    @CHAZ- Learn to read.

  • ronuds #95 4 years ago

    @ Xerxs

    Which thread is that?

  • Rash' #96 4 years ago

    ronuds, I'm not wholly backing all their output, but I don't think it's fair to imply they should be held accountable for poor content when you look at the games they've recently produced and are producing. It's a matter of perspective I guess. I'm looking forward Mirror's Edge, Battlefield, Spore, Burnout DLC and finally picking up that Orange Box. All EA published games and all held in high regard in the press.
    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 21:23

  • ronuds #97 4 years ago

    @ Rash

    That's 5 out of, like, 100 games they publish a year.

    The jury's still out on half of those, too. I was in the BF Beta and I've seen a lot of negativity surrounding that game from users. The press seems in love with the game, but the average Joe doesn't seem quite as enamored. You'll probably see my views as biased, but I was hoping to like the game and I walked away completely disappointed. The beta convinced me that BF was a game I didn't need because compared to shooters already out there, it fails in many areas.

    Mirror's Edge seems a bit too early to be excited over as well.

    Definitely all a matter of opinion, though. My simple belief is that many of their games sell much better than they should because an "EA" sticker is slapped on the box when there are better offerings out there.

  • Madlax #98 4 years ago

    360 obviously has an advantage in content.

    With the 360 computer entertainment system, you actually pay money for themes and wallpapers, unfortunately for PS3 gamers and Sony, we can only download those for free with the PS3.

    So i think the PS3 still have a long way to go, it still doesnt charge gamers for wallpapers and it offers free online gaming, its way behind the 360.

    ;)


  • ronuds #99 4 years ago

    @ Madlax

    Does Sony offer many free 3rd-party generated themes and wallpapers that are directly tied to a game? Like, how many are on PSN that are hosted by EA for Burnout or some such?
    Edited by 2 at 06/05/08 @ 21:43

  • JediMasterMalik #100 4 years ago

    Actually, there are quite a lot of wallpapers and themes on PSN, they're all free.

  • chrisjm #101 4 years ago

    with 360's attatch rate its far from teh doomed. ps3 would probably need 3x the user base of 360 for same software sales.

  • Madlax #102 4 years ago

    "@ Madlax

    Does Sony offer many free 3rd-party generated themes and wallpapers that are directly tied to a game? Like, how many are on PSN that are hosted by EA or some such?"

    Dont fight this one, its a losing battle, Defending charging for themes and wallpapers will just make you a fool, not to mention a tool. ;)

    Themes and wallpapers are free everywhere, in my Ubuntu installation i have over a dozen different themes for icons, window themes, and wallpapers all are proffesional looking. and they cost me nothing.

    Only with the Xbox360 computer entertainment system do we get the honour of paying for things that we always had for free, from themes and wallpapers to online gaming and 'properiatory' storage mediums.

    But some people seem to like it, so i guess i cant complain much. ;)





  • DAN.E.B #103 4 years ago

    well not sure about sale figues but i own both a XBOX 360 and a PS3
    and i have hardly used my PS3 to be honest i wish i got a Wii at least its got mario kart!

  • wa_uk #104 4 years ago

    don't believe the hype

  • ronuds #105 4 years ago

    @ Jedi

    I understand that, but it doesn't answer my question. There are plenty of free themes and wallpapers on XBL, too, but what most fail to mention is that the stuff we DO have to pay for is mainly through 3rd-party developers like EA, Ubi and the like - while on PSN you don't have those options at all.

    I'm not saying PSN needs them, I'm saying I don't think it has them - but I don't know. So one of the common complaints against XBL vs. PSN is that we have to pay for themes and pics for XBL, but nobody mentions the content we're actually paying for. The real difference is that you can have user-created content for PSN, whereas the user-created content for XBL has to go through MS certification. If XBL and PSN had the same, say, Burnout themes and pics and XBL users had to pay for them while PSN users didn't, THEN there'd be something to brag about.

    As it is, though, Madlax is just being the usual PS3 fanboy in that he hasn't a clue what he's on about. Not to mention that his comment was completely random.

    And now I see that Madlax has danced around the question as well. Sweet! A losing battle that I'll never have anyone to combat against.
    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 21:54

  • drumbaby #106 4 years ago

    "At least Microsoft treat us as almost an equal with the states"

    Yup, our 360s just fail almost as much as their's. Almost a nice one, Msoft.

  • ronuds #107 4 years ago

    I'm sorry, but I must further comment on Madlax's comments because it's so riddled with holes that it's looking like a bowling ball for a 10-fingered man.

    We've always had free themes and wallpapers, eh? You've never been to a site where you have to pay for any of that? I suppose you don't come out of your cave much then. Just like XBL, the PC offers both pay-for content and free. More FUD.

    And how could you say ANY-THING historically regarding consoles when the option for themes and wallpapers was never there in the past?!?!?

    And, no, you really have no room to complain given the fact that you've probably never even used XBL, but rather sit there in your Sony-built tower and talk about what's good and what isn't. It's funny that most of the people who complain about XBL's charges are PS3-only owners who've never even used the service. The few I know who use both PSN and XBL have no qualms whatsoever about paying.

  • drumbaby #108 4 years ago

    "The few I know who use both PSN and XBL have no qualms whatsoever about paying. "

    If they're paying for it then they won't have qualms, right?

  • Nithron #109 4 years ago

    @trebell

    Actually yeah, a lot of the comments people come out with in these threads does sound suspisciously similar to the kind of language used in press releases and other promotional garbage. You know, the kind of language that usual people would never, ever use in conversation.

    Apologie is one of the worst culprits for this. Also, companies do have a track record of actually hiring people to spread stuff like this on messageboards. It does make me wonder if there's one or more of these corporate shills spreading their crap on here.

  • ronuds #110 4 years ago

    @ drumbaby

    That's funny, but you know not entirely true. People pay for stuff and complain about paying for it all the time. Look at gasoline!

  • chicknstu #111 4 years ago

    "the ever-increasing number of titles being launched, the rich content on offer"

    Can someone clarify?

  • UsedActionMan #112 4 years ago

    New to this. Hello there.
    I can assure you, of which I'm sure that most of you are aware, that this has nothing to do with the software. My PS3 is used as a cheap Blu-ray player, not much more, other than the (few) exclusive games. I would imagine that this is a similar situation for most and not as David Reeves said because it is "The Ultimate Gaming System". If anything can be of course.

  • Rash' #113 4 years ago

    ronuds, haze, mgs, and dark sector spring immediately to mind when you mention free wallpaper and themes for psn. not that i bother as it's all a bit tacky really.

  • BartonFink #114 4 years ago

    Hey Xerx3s looks like SDF is well and truly alive in this one, smelly and swam

    And I thought the raving Xbots were bad these two alone are more than a match for all of them idiots.

  • Rash' #115 4 years ago

    ronuds, As for EA, well like said I'm not wholly defending their content. I'm cynical too of their output, but credit should be due to some extent. Not in your opinion, which is fair enough.

  • BartonFink #116 4 years ago

    So is this a Sony shifted then? i.e. shipped :D

  • Ryze #117 4 years ago

    @Xerx3s:

    I made the right choice for my own requirements at this point in time.

    I implied no differently, as far as I can see. You just like to jump on peoples comments prematurely.

  • Madlax #118 4 years ago

    @ronuds

    I gave you an advice not to defend paying for themes and wallpapers, but it seems that i hurt your feelings in the process. and for that i apologize. ;)

    If you wish to pay for themes and wallpapers by all means do so, there is no need to care about what others think of you, only 'you' matter to 'you'. so even if paying for those things makes you a drone....you really shouldnt care. ;)

    Maybe its because i never practiced making a fool of myself by paying for normally free things, i think i should try it sometimes, i see that there are a lot of people happy with it, i see that you are happy with it, so i guess i,l just have to try and find out for myself.








  • BartonFink #119 4 years ago

    swam wrote:
    Quite simply you are all wrong, the XBOX is teh rubbish and the PS3 is the awesomest. it has untapped potential, and the power of the Cell. Whereas the XBOX 360 has untapped potential in that every single one RRODs regularly.
    Anyone who says different is an XBOT paid for out of Microsofts pcokets.

    You seem to bring up the old RROD a lot and seem to forget that the reliability record for the PS2 was also quite appalling (maybe equally). Thankfully they sorted that out with the PS3.
    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 22:38

  • Sevens #120 4 years ago

    Japan and Europe. Brand strength, trust, and possibly no interest in 'we launch no matter what' RROD policies. That software claim is over the top, though. Naturally.

  • GamesConnoisseur #121 4 years ago

    Sony have huge advantages moving into third generation of console, brand awareness and brand association. They will sell X number without question even if total tard pack.

    I was in the local Tynemouth watering hole on Sun night (bank hol) and talking to quite a few mates I havent see much the past six months. All got PS3 on strengths of Blu-Ray, GT5, MSG4 and most of all its 'Playstation' brand. I was there with my regular mates as well, them lot all owns X360 but both crowd knew I got both consoles as cannot dare miss anything out!

    The difference is that X360 mates were more 'hard on' gamers, and we do play online quite often and PS3 play theirs on the side and not so often play each other (I had hard time trying play online with em).

    I am not saying one lot is better than other, but it does indicate to me that perhaps X360 is seen more as a gaming machine with more intergrated online service (despite cost) and PS3 is the more mass market pick up gaming and fanastic HD movie player.

    To cap my starting point, PS3 had huge advantages going into third gen and their brand is great, but look at it this way, it will be good for MS and Nintendo if they can overtake their previous market share from last gen and poor for Sony to lose their previous runaway dominance? That is still a possible whatever the position each ends up in (1st, 2nd or 3rd!).

  • skillian #122 4 years ago

    Dont fight this one, its a losing battle, Defending charging for themes and wallpapers will just make you a fool, not to mention a tool. ;)

    Only with the Xbox360 computer entertainment system do we get the honour of paying for things that we always had for free, from themes and wallpapers to online gaming and 'properiatory' storage mediums.

    This is the fucking truth, and the fact that people come on here not just defending these practices but somehow accusing the PS3 of being a rip off is completely laughable.

    A monthly subscription to play games, paying 5x the cost of hardware to get a MS badge on it, and forking out a tenner to for a couple of multiplayer maps - the games industry is taking the absolut piss out of you and you are are so blinkered by your loyalty to a games console that you don't see that you are all being taken for mugs.

    You are the equivalent of the morons paying £1.50 for a 30 sec Timbaland ringtone, but you don't just buy this crap in the first place, you come on here talking like MS and Sony are doing you a fucking favour.

    EG, I'm sorry to say, has fallen in the same trap. Whether it's advertising money or just a love of games that causes snow-blindness like so many other gamers here, the only place to get an honest opinion on gaming is on blogs and forums. In another comments thread, DanWhitehead was trying to justify to me just recently the idea of paying for upgraded guns in an online shooter. Even the company themselves admitted their mistake a week or so later and withdrew the idea ofter constant criticism from real people. If even a games journalist can't see the problem with that, wtf is going on in this scene.

    I had a lot more to say but just can't be botherd - this thread and a million like it are an embarrassment to the whole gaming industry, and yet some people get offended when someone suggests this isn't real art. There are artists in the gaming industry I still believe, but most of them are fresh out of university, and the truth is MS nor Sony want anything to do with them. While I've heard people say this has been the best generation of games yet seen, the truth is this is the generation that that has finally seen the internal organs of gaming ripped out and replaced with 1s and 0s.

    [/melodrama]




    Edited by 1 at 06/05/08 @ 23:12

  • JJrabbit #123 4 years ago

    Wow, it was fun seeing the fanboys out in this thread. Unfortunately genuinely interesting discussions were masked by fanboy crap, but that's to be expected on the net. I was always a PlayStation guy, but felt (simply on games present), that an XBox 360 would be better for me. That was topped by the fact that most of my friends have xbox, so we can play online together. Not to undermine the PS3, which will come into it's own, I'm quite happy with my xbox. No denying the strength of the PS brand though, so it'll be interesting to see where this is heading. As mentioned somewhere before, it doesn't say what the numbers were in the UK which would be nice to know in such a discussion.

  • Dizzy #124 4 years ago

    ""the ever-increasing number of titles being launched, the rich content on offer"

    Can someone clarify? "

    Hmmm.. he probably snorted some cocaine before going on stage :)

    ANyway... the battle heats up! Good for the gamers!

  • Nige #125 4 years ago

    Excellent, I hope they sell another 5 million at a loss... proprietary format pig fuckers.

  • Tuffty #126 4 years ago

    "That's pretty disappointing as in the old days we used to have a lot more choice in consoles in a faaaaaaaar smaller market. 3 = too little imo. "

    Too little? :o You didn't have the internet or message boards back in the days though. Can you imagine what it would be like now?! XD

  • Masarin #127 4 years ago

    @swam: Quite simply you are all wrong, the XBOX is teh rubbish and the PS3 is the awesomest. it has untapped potential, and the power of the Cell.

    You know. God has has untapped potential and I still don't believe in him/her/it.

  • Masarin #128 4 years ago

    Btw. I luuuuve all the meta comments.

  • ElNino9 #129 4 years ago

    Just read through some of the comments.

    /cringes
    Edited by 2 at 06/05/08 @ 23:40

  • UsedActionMan #130 4 years ago

    Post deleted at 15:48:58 14-12-2011

  • Charlie_Miso #131 4 years ago

    I hear the Xbox/PS3 (delete where appropriate) is crap. Can anyone confirm?

  • Redeye #132 4 years ago

    If this goes on long enough, do you reckon certain people will just spontaneously combust in a shower of whatever it is fanboys are made of?

    /gets umbrella and popcorn

  • Slipstream #133 4 years ago

    Not surprised with all the 360's that get returned...

    More often than not, after about their 2nd return due to the 3 Red lights, people opt for a PS3.

  • IneptPercy #134 4 years ago

    All this because you could chip the PS1 and get games for 5 pounds... That is the real reason everybody bought a playstation.

    As a 360 owner I still have no reason to buy a PS3, it needs to be cheaper, have more good games and a DS3 in the box and then I will buy it until then its a no go.

    That's what it comes down to, most 360 owners will admit the PS3 has potential and buy one eventually (some already are doing) yet the playstation fanboys it would seem would rather die than own a 360.

  • cyber_nicco #135 4 years ago

    I'm really getting sick of Eurogamer and these forums. I know if I'm gone I won't be missed, but things have just gotten so stupid, pointless, and mean. I suppose at times I'm as guilty as the rest (or at least guilty), but it has jus become so draining.

  • Vandrius #136 4 years ago

    Sigh. Here's a few facts for some of the idiots.

    1) Paying for online multiplayer is WRONG. Any PC gamer can tell you that. There is only 1 type of game I will ever pay to play online - a MMORPG. Anything else is a rip-off. Half-Life, Counter-Strike, Tribes, Quake, Team Fortress... every top-notch FPS... how much to play? ZERO.
    Oh, except Halo. *cough* Yeah, right, MS loves its customers. They're all cuddly. Thats why they get hit for billions in anti-trust lawsuits every few years.

    2) Who cares which console sells more, as long as you are happy with your purchase and games.

    3) Trying to flame a console on a forum WILL NOT help make the most popular. You get written off as a fanboi.

  • Yaz #137 4 years ago

    Vandrius wrote: "Paying for online multiplayer is WRONG. Any PC gamer can tell you that."

    That's not a fact, that's an opinion (so you shouldn't call people idiots for disagreeing with that view). Therefore it's not about being right or wrong.

    Personally, I see nothing wrong in paying for what XBL provides for console gamers, and has been doing do since its release on the XBox 5 years ago, especially when compared to online on the PS2/PS3, which has been playing catch up for years.

    Without XBL, console online gaming would be far behind what it is today, since Xbox owners wouldn't have enjoyed the benefits it offers and Sony wouldn't have a high level of service to aim for.

    There is only 1 type of game I will ever pay to play online - a MMORPG. Anything else is a rip-off. Half-Life, Counter-Strike, Tribes, Quake, Team Fortress... every top-notch FPS... how much to play? ZERO.
    Oh, except Halo. *cough* Yeah, right, MS loves its customers. They're all cuddly. Thats why they get hit for billions in anti-trust lawsuits every few years.

    "2) Who cares which console sells more, as long as you are happy with your purchase and games."

    Agreed :)

    "3) Trying to flame a console on a forum WILL NOT help make the most popular. You get written off as a fanboi."

    Yep.

  • Luvbeers #138 4 years ago

    Hmmm... I stopped by the electronics megastore here in Austria, they only had a handful of Elites. No arcades or premiums. I asked one of the workers and he said with GTAIV the 360 has almost sold out. Meanwhile there was a mountain of PS3 GTAIV bundles. I asked if they were selling and he told me not really... They did better when bundled with GT5p.

  • muscleblade #139 4 years ago

    I believe this. I just dont understand it. In my country the PS3 is also outselling the 360. As a former owner of both systems i just dont get it. Why are so many consumers so misinformed. As long as the 360 is doing well i dont really care. But how the superior console ( price, games, online service, power ) sells less than Wii and PS3 in Europe is weird.

  • SHPanda #140 4 years ago

    ""it hasnt though really has it? it's been out for 3 years and has only hit 20 milion.. That's not much better than the original xbox."

    That's an interesting point Smelly. It didn't occure to me before that in the same space of time as the original Xbox MS seem to have shifted less units. It makes more sense now why Sony keep referencing PS2 sales figures when talking about PS3 penetration rates. Their benchmark is their own figure with good reason... it's PS2 "

    It would be interesting if:

    A) The 360 had actually been out for 3 years and not 2 and a half (yes you might think half a year isn't that big a deal, but that half a year will include the latter months of the year where console sales rise in time for christmas)

    B) The 360 has had stock issues, and I know it sounds like a bullshit excuse from MS but it's true. Working in a GAME shop myself I can tell you that the only 360s we have in are Elites and Core's. The Core systems don't even get made anymore, they were replaced by Arcades months ago, so no-one will buy those, and the Elite's while they do sell are no where near as popular as the Premium or the Arcade.

    C) Software sales will mean more to both companies financially, and so far it's looking like Microsoft are the clear winners of this generation, and that would even include the Wii. The 360 had an attachment rate of 7 games per console, and after the massive sales of GTAIV that number is likely to have risen to 8 games. And speaking of GTAIV sales, we had 400 copies of the 360 version and 100 PS3, by the end of the 1st of May (2 days after release) we'd sold all the 400 release day copies on 360 and then another 45 more we got in a delivery that day, whereas the original PS3 release day copies had still not sold out, didn't Sony say GTAIV would be a bigger benefit to themselves than MS? They sold far less games and only a 2% higher increase in console sales than the 360, I think the GTAIV launch belonged to MS.

    D) I'll give some credit to Sony here, they've kept the dream alive by not the PS3 but the PS2, aslong as they keep making consoles and producing new games for it, a huge majority of the market will not move on to the next generation. So 20 million in two and a half years isn't nearly as bad as it sounds, as soon as the PS2 dies, which it'll have to do eventually we'll then see the full potential of these two consoles, but my bet is on the 360 personally. We have a lot of customers (and I'm talking your average joes not hardcore gamers) coming up and asking for PS3s saying they want one because it'll play all their PS2 games, as soon as they find out it doesn't they all change their minds and go for the 360 instead, at the end of the day... Why pay more? You have a larger selection of higher quality games for the 360 and the games and console itself cost less, plus you have online play (Sorry but PSN can't be counted as an online service it's absolute crap). That's not a dig at Sony either, I have owned a PS3, but I found myself buying all multiplatform games on the 360 and there were no exclusives on the PS3 coming out, plus there aren't really any that interest me. MGS4? Why would you want that? MGS2 was just 3 feature length films with a tiny bit of interactivity thrown in, MGS3 was pretty much more of the same and I have no doubts in my mind that MGS4 will be the same.

    E) If sony didn't make up sales figures by announcing shipped figures and then adding on some extras.

    And what is it with people and the reliability issues of the 360? It's over, they're no longer an issue, if you get a new console (any time since they introduced HDMI) and you're not going to have any issues, or at least you'd be highly unlikely too. Sony however are killing their consoles with system updates, game updates at the moment, because average Joe doesn't want to just replace his corrupt hard drive he wants a new console and who can blame him.

    And the Wii is waining, sales are dropping slowly and more people are selling/trading them in after realising what could have been a phenomanon and a revolution is gaming ended up being a gimmick. Absolutely no games use the control system that could have changed games, they all just tack it on at the end, even Nintendo themselves. Stuff like Mario Galaxy, didn't use it in any way, the only thing it did was replace button presses with the waggling of a remote or a shake of the nunchuck, and at the end of the day, I'd rather just press a button, it's both quicker and easier to do.

    What they should have done is had real time tracking, so when you swing the remote your sword/bat/stick moves exactly as you do on screen, this would have made for far more interesting gaming, and they should actually build games around the controller not the other way around. Look at the hacker community, look at the 3D tracking they've done with the Wii, why haven't Nintendo done something like that?

    I'll give them a hats off for Wii Sports and Wii Fit, the only two games worth getting on the console, but if your free launch title and a game that's really meant for unfit people to gain fitness are your two best games (plus one of which requires an expensive additional peripheral) you are going to have problems eventually.

    I'll stick to my 360 for now, if it weren't for the fact the family want to use Wii Fit, the Wii would have gone the way of the PS3 too, i.e. sold. The 360 just has it all for me, better games, more games, best controller since the N64 trident, looks better aesthetically, far better online service, worthwhile DLC, games that don't require 4 hour manditory installs, all updates/patches/DLC come to the console first because developers actually know and care about the system, we get proper versions of games like Orange Box as opposed to EA style ports which have huge bugs and issues, built in rumble from day one, wireless controllers and peripherals always work with other games i.e. Guitars with RB and GH (shame RB is so expensive over here though and no-one would consider buying it). Sorry, I see no downside, yes Blu-Ray would be nice and online being free would be even nicer, but I'd rather have the choice of paying for a decent service than only getting access to a useless free one, constant disconnection from games and PSN itself being a huge issue for me, the lack of proper voice communication, the lack of messaging and voice chats (private), the lack of a seamless friends list, and despite the rather aesthetically nice looking new PSN store.... a decent online store for downloading from. If PSN actually gets a work around and they address all the major issues I had with it then I'll actually some what regret selling my PS3... slightly.
    Edited by 1 at 07/05/08 @ 08:50

  • anomagnus #141 4 years ago

    been trying to think of witty arguments, intelligent posts, and all sorts of things to make me sound good, and prove my point


    then i realised this is the internet baby, i don't need ANY of that shit

    PS3 is an underwhelming blu ray player that also plays games without any iconic exclusives that i am interested in

    XBOX360 is a great machine that gives to the dedicated gamer what he/she wants.

    Using this scientific formula of ps3=x

    edit - hmmm, strange, half my post wont appear, and it was so fucking witty as well!!!!!
    Edited by 4 at 07/05/08 @ 09:06

  • anomagnus #142 4 years ago

    ^^^^^^

    Half my post wouldn't appear, why EG???? WHY??!?!?!

    Anyway, what i wanted to say was - FU sony, for not giving my a silver ps3 for MGS4, you can cram your PS3 up your asses, you and your loyal fan base of pill chewing, spide boy racers, who sit around talking about how cool hackers was, and the banging tunes on ridge racer!!!

    FU sony

  • Vordred #143 4 years ago

    i dont get why the PS3 is selling more in europe. sinse Sony treats europe like crap.
    i think some of it must just be blind devotion to the brand. it was the same when the PS2 was on the way, no one seemed to care or look into the other consoles, they all just said the ps2 is going to be the best.

    and i will admit, i owned the PS1 and PS2 and was all up for buying a PS3, but as the luanch got closer, i stared to realise, the 360 was looking more and more like the best way to go. and you can even see that blind loyalty online aswell. with people always sounding like some kind of sony sales rep, going on about the power of the PS3 and so one. yet there is zero proof so far, that it can kick out stuff better than the 360. but everyone has there reasons for buy which ever console. so i think this war will rage for quite some time.

    and i think the ps3 will keep outselling the 360 for awhile yet, mostly because everyone already has a 360.
    and altough its being outsold, there have still been more 360's sold over all. so both console are in a strong position.
    Edited by 1 at 07/05/08 @ 09:48

  • Buztafen #144 4 years ago

    Let them sell 50 million for all i care....until they stop anally raping europe (40gb and no BC or DS3, FFS!!!) and start shipping something thats worth the price tag with games that i cant get on the 360....they aint getting my money!

    @swam.... I initially thought that in this lifetime, it would be nigh on impossible to find someone who's as much of a retarded, kiddy fiddling, cock worshipper as you, but i stand corrected.

  • JeroenZM #145 4 years ago

    Still waiting for the inevitable "Wii doesn't count because they aim for a different group" comments

  • Ryze #146 4 years ago

    Yawn skillian - mobile phone providers and 3rd parties do the same shit.

    It's called doing business, and it doesn't interfere with gameplay. As soon as I saw that the stuff costs money, I chuckled and ignored all of it.

    The same with ringtones - I'm sure you've seen all of the ads on MTV et al where you 'subscribe for £3.50 per week' or whatever.

    How many of those are you signed up for?

    Wake up.



  • izerman76 #147 4 years ago

    Aren't both consoles still not profitable for ms and sony? They earn most of their money from the games that they've sold - so they should focus on increasing those numbers (especially sony which has released very few quality titles).

    It's really simple math
    Total Profit =( number of games)*profit - (number of consoles)*loss

    p.s. I own a ps2 and a 360, i don't care which company r00lz da universe, i just want to play good games.

  • RexRunti #148 4 years ago

    Out sold or out selling? I can believe the PS3 is outselling the XBox 360 in Europe, infact at this point in both consoles life I think I would expect the PS3 to be outselling the 360 in Europe, however I would be pretty suprised if MS had sold fewer than 5m of it's 18m consoles in Europe. After all everyone knows that it basically hasn't sold any in Japan and markets outside the big 3 are tiny in comparison. Which means MS have sold about two and a half times more 360s in north america than Europe despite Europe being a slightly larger market. If Sony's figures are accurate (and they're not just talking about mainland Europe in which case the figure would be suprisingly high) it would suggest that MS are really strugling to break out of the US and Sony are finding it difficult to break in.

  • L42yB #149 4 years ago

    @RexRunti -
    That's exactly what I was thinking. MS have sold more than 18million world wide. Sony have sold over 9million... so they are half way to catching up.

    There are two interesting things to note here:

    1) If Sony have sold 5million in Europe, then that means they have sold less than 4million in the rest of the world... which is a very bad sign indeed.
    2) If MS have sold less than 5million in Europe then that means they have sold more than 13million in the rest of the world!

    Sounds like Sony's PS3 is in a bit of trouble really - altho they spin it to make it sound like a good thing...

  • anomagnus #150 4 years ago

    @ butzafen

    @swam.... I initially thought that in this lifetime, it would be nigh on impossible to find someone who's as much of a retarded, kiddy fiddling, cock worshipper as you, but i stand corrected.

    un-real

  • CARL05 #151 4 years ago

    Wii is selling more due to its family friendly persona - everyone knows that!
    but the ps3s sales are probably due to the same sort of market.
    In Europe the PS3 is selling more as the people who buy consoles for their little-uns only know the Playstation brand due to them having previously owned the only real contender for the last console war, the PS2! and mothers aren't gonna compare consoles spec or libraries!

    I own a 360 tho as i'm not a playstation fanboy (even tho I loved my ps2) and I like having a vast variety of games and an impressive online marketplace.

    If I were to ever get a ps3 it would be for the blu-ray player, but at it's current price it's way too overpriced.

  • hexauk #152 4 years ago

    "whereas the original PS3 release day copies had still not sold out,"

    Strange in EVERY store near me (walmart, futureshop, best buy etc.) BOTH versions on both systems were completely pre-ordered and sold out, so that from that what you will.

    And with sales figures stating the 360 got 100k more copies sold, I'm not sure that 50mil MS dropped was really worth it.

    Also, Sony treating Europe like crap? Boohoo. MS gouge you for expansion hard drives (the ones that are marked up like $60 more than the actual disk costs), MS gouge you with O/S's, e.g. Windows Vista costing $400 in the US and yet somehow converting to 400 pounds?!?! Ok then... COMPANIES/CORPORATIONS ARE HERE TO GOUGE MONEY FROM YOU.

    Both consoles have some great games, but for me, there is only one single exclusive I would every consider getting a 360 for and that is Fable 2. Everything else is cross platform and I prefer the feel of the sixaxis to play. And no i do NOT miss rumble, its a retarded feature that makes grinding a car against a brick wall feel the same as shooting a rifle, big whoop.

    Oh and the PSN is usually solid for me, I only wish you could background EVERY download. Had a demo once want to apply a 600meg patch that couldn't be backgrounded so PS3 was sitting there for 10-20 mins. Other than that, happy purchase.