PS3 has "no chance of making money" Comments by Robert Purchese
Lost more than PS2 made, says Perry.
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SeesThroughAll
20/08/08 @ 11:31
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JUSTICE!!
SEGA HAS BEEN AVENGED!! ALL HAIL OUR RIGHTEOUS SAVIOUR, MICROSOFT!!!! |
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@Beano
yeah, but it has to be games that they are interested in themselves, which usually gives way to the oh so useful "there are no good games on the ps3 (in my personal opinion which is actual fact, nay, LAW)" http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png
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The biggest problem the PS3 has is that is not stricktly a games console - it is a media centre that among other things does games very well. That is also it's biggest strenght, in a way: the PS3 is potentially a media product that could fit nicely in any household, including households that don't include anyone particularily interested in gaming. When the PS3 can record TV as well, that becomes even more true. I use my PS3 to play music, DVD's and home movies, oh and check the weather and display holiday photos when I have guests. So all the family's using it, but I'm the only one using it for games.
That is fairly unique, and this versatility tells me that the PS3 might indeed have a very long lifespan and reach a very wide audience... ultimately, some time down the road. It is a bit of a problem that the games division has suffered under this strategy, but perhaps that was unavoidable. I feel that the games part is pretty well sorted now, with many good exclusives and all the important mutli-platform games (except Dead Rising - come on, get it converted Capcom!) I think that the PS3 is still just warming up, and I can actually see it surpassing the Ps2 in sales some time down the line, when the TV recording bit has bin integrated (along with a radio tuner?), and the box shrunk a bit and made cheaper. The thing is: I can't see the Xbox 360 reach such a wide audience - and the 'box is also heavily subsidized. They sure aint making money off it either, and their potential market is much narrower. I would not use the 360 to play music or how holday snaps, for instance. |
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I think when it comes to making money on hardware sales alone (console only) we can all agree that the Xbox360 as well as the PS3 are failures.
just the old school wii toilet is making money. how ironic. so let's wait for the next gen and see how they try to copy Nintendo, just to fuck it up again and nintendo will just release a true next gen hardcore console... lol... aeh ;) |
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apparently being able to do many things very well is a VERY BAD THING.
@Widge I didn't know the PS3 did many things very well. Their games aren't always made very well...ie bad framerate, no AA and multiple delays...some are though Their online system isn't so great. Their price is still an obstacle. Blu-Ray hasn't taken over the world yet either. Last generation, they wiped the floor with MS & Ninty...now they are just holding on. |
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SeesThroughAll
20/08/08 @ 11:44
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@ ps3owner:
To be fair, it looks like SCE are trying to place themselves in a similar position to Nintendo in previous generation: secure enough first-party IPs and developers to guarantee a manageable sustainable business. They have been doing this even during the PS2 sales peak already. I'm sure that PR-speak and investors arse licking aside, they're already quite aware that this generation is all but lost. Their priority is most likely survival at this point. And as much as many hate them, they represent much needed competition in the industry. I've said it countless times already, I sure would hate to see Microsoft get the same kind of grip on gaming that they already have on PC software... |
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SeesThroughAll
20/08/08 @ 11:47
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@ DjFlex52:
"I didn't know the PS3 did many things very well." Do you have one? Curious. "Their games aren't always made very well...ie bad framerate, no AA and multiple delays...some are though" Third-party titles ported to their exotic hardware as an afterthought. What an excellent example! "Their online system isn't so great." It's better value for money than charging people a fee for the priviledge of playing online though. "Their price is still an obstacle." Gradually less so. "Blu-Ray hasn't taken over the world yet either." Does have better chances at doing that than HD DVD. |
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@ PS3Owner - The original Xbox made massive losses but that's a long-term business practice called 'investing in loss'. It cost a lot of money but it took Microsoft from being a non-player to being arguably the most important 'hardcore' platform for most of the world's gamers. The Xbox project as a whole has now broken even thanks to the success of the 360 and Live. This is the inverse of what Sony is doing with the PS3 - they were on top but have poured silly amounts on money into a project that has seen them undeniably lose ground at best and at worst drop the ball to competitors like Nintendo, who now own the 'casual' and 'middle' markets that used to be Sony's exclusive domain.
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PS3 is beating the 360 in the US this year. Just thought I'd mention it. ;)
However, Wii is the big thing here that's holding back the PS3, I think. The PS3 hasn't reached the proper price-level yet, which it will soon enough. It may never be as big as the PS2, sure, but I think it will turn out pretty good eventually. They just shouldn't be afraid to release something like MotionPlus themselves ... it's the only thing that the competition has that I would like to have myself. |
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SeesThroughAll
20/08/08 @ 11:56
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They just shouldn't be afraid to release something like MotionPlus themselves ... it's the only thing that the competition has that I would like to have myself.
MotionPlus is the same tech as the sixaxis, mate. What are you talking about? |
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farticusmaximus
20/08/08 @ 11:58
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"I didn't know the PS3 did many things very well."
"Do you have one? Curious." You dont need to own one to know whether it's a worthwhile product or not. "Their games aren't always made very well...ie bad framerate, no AA and multiple delays...some are though" "Third-party titles ported to their exotic hardware as an afterthought. What an excellent example!" First party titles have been generally shit too, and suffer from the same problems as multiplats. Oh, and 'exotic hardware'? Lol, try overcomplicated and underpowered. "Their online system isn't so great." "It's better value for money than charging people a fee for the priviledge of playing online though." Matter of opinion, and millions of gold subscribers disagree with you. "Their price is still an obstacle." "Gradually less so." It IS still an obstacle. "Blu-Ray hasn't taken over the world yet either." "Does have better chances at doing that than HD DVD." Avoiding the point, well done. Also, the 360 wasnt designed as an HDDVD trojan, and MS arent the owners of the format so the death of HDDVD has no impact on MS. |
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farticusmaximus
20/08/08 @ 12:01
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"MotionPlus is the same tech as the sixaxis, mate. What are you talking about?"
Umm.. no, not even vaguely close. The sixxaxis is completely and utterly useless. It is a tilt sensor. Motionplus gives full spatial coordinates. They are not the same thing at all. |
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"I didn't know the PS3 did many things very well."
Do you have one? Curious. --- Does it matter? No....I don't have a vagina either but I know the ins and outs of that too ;) "Their games aren't always made very well...ie bad framerate, no AA and multiple delays...some are though" Third-party titles ported to their exotic hardware as an afterthought. What an excellent example! --- Well since 90% of the PS3 or 360 games are third party, it's an excellent example ;) "Their online system isn't so great." It's better value for money than charging people a fee for the priviledge of playing online though. --- It's no value since pS3' online doesn't cost anything. You and I both know xbox live is more than just playing online. "Their price is still an obstacle." Gradually less so. --- But still an obstacle nonetheless and to go back to the original point.....their pricing was not executed "very well". "Blu-Ray hasn't taken over the world yet either." Does have better chances at doing that than HD DVD. --- Shouldn't you be comparing it to the platform leader DVD not HD DVD? But if you did that you wouldn't have an answer :) |
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SeesThroughAll
20/08/08 @ 12:07
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You dont need to own one to know whether it's a worthwhile product or not.
You need to own one to know what it's capable of, especially as far as media capabilities are concerned. Marketing about the entirety of features has been pretty bad, I'm afraid. First party titles have been generally shit too, and suffer from the same problems as multiplats. Oh, and 'exotic hardware'? Lol, try overcomplicated and underpowered. Likewise. You sound to me like be one of those people who refuse to touch a PS3 (since you don't need to use it to know it's bad), and yet you know so much about the best titles available for the filthy thing. Amazing! Maybe I should consult your crystal ball next gen. ;) Matter of opinion, and millions of gold subscribers disagree with you. So is yours ;) It's their money, not mine ;) Avoiding the point, well done. Also, the 360 wasnt designed as an HDDVD trojan, and MS arent the owners of the format so the death of HDDVD has no impact on MS. You too. Excellent way to avoid the point, I should say. Here's another way to look at it: MS invested in HD DVD as a means to delay adoption of Blu-Ray, nothing more. And since MS aren't owners of the format, they didn't care whether HD DVD would survive or not. Where does the consumer fit in all this? |
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I don't think the Sony fanboys on here realise what a financial disaster the PS3 has been for Sony. Every PS3 they sell sends them further into the red which software sales are barely able to lift them out of.
Look at Psychotext's figures on the first page of comments. It makes very grim reading for Sony.
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SpyroViper
20/08/08 @ 12:12
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and I think this stupid Acclaim idiot should stop spinning his mouth off. O yeah, Acclaim knows how to make money doesn't it.... O wait..
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btw, sony, as well as MS are not just game console selling companys. they do infact do other stuff on the side... I know that for MS the console thing is more of a "we are dominating the software market, let's find something new to do" whereas for Sony it's a bit more serious than that. I am sure sony knows that though and they are working towards making a profit. eventually... in 10 years ... or whenever they come around to it.
as long as they don't ditch the console all together I don't care if they make a loss or profit. I don't own any shares anyway. I just own the ps3 :). and I like it. especially the free online gaming, good stuff. |
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SeesThroughAll
20/08/08 @ 12:13
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@ DjFlex52:
Aaaah... but a vagina... you have "experienced" in some way already, I'm sure ;) Ok, about PSN/XBox Live: Can you enlighten me about the main differences between Silver and Gold accounts? Yes, it is more than the online play, but that single feature is the most important net feature in a console, one would think. A good number of Live features have been copied to PSN by now, and it still has no additional costs attached to it. Each console cost them about 800 dollars to build initially, so I don't see how many options they had. For sure, I'd rather have given 300 euros instead of 600 on launch, but still... It is a business, not a charity. More of a costs problem, than pricing one? |
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Its not comparing apples with apples though, comparing the PS2 with the PS3. PS2 made money through peripherals and games. The PS3/Sony makes money through, Software sales Including BR and Downloadable games, Expansions packs, full mini games, copyright on every BRD sold, more peripherals and to come as well the other media in the pipeline, like films, music and so on that will be sold through the PSN.
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SeesThroughAll
20/08/08 @ 12:18
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The sixxaxis is completely and utterly useless. It is a tilt sensor. Motionplus gives full spatial coordinates. They are not the same thing at all.
Here's some news for you: MotionPlus. Motion. Motion sensing. It's the same accelerometers, that combined with the pointing, allow position tracking via software. Same tech, different implementation. Just because Sony rushed motion sensing in to compensate for lack of rumble (everybody with a brain knows that was the real reason, NOT copying Nintendo), and as such never made full proper use of it, doesn't make it useless. |
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SeesThroughAll
20/08/08 @ 12:24
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miiiiguel:
I used it for steering in Motorstorm and it worked well with Big Rigs at least. I've played High Velocity Bowling and had fun with it. fl0w works well with it too, but that's a... "non-game", anyway. Burn me as a heretic, if you will, for finding at least a couple of games that use it well. When I said "they didn't use it well enough", I meant developers, of course. Mostly Sony's fault of course. But it's not completely useless tech. Just very underused. Same reason the Sidewinder died back in the day, I guess.
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Oh man..., leave that..., believe it or not I have no prejudice against Sony, and I think, regarding this issue, the only diference between us is that I also don't have for MS (or M string).
Even after they sorta mocked me when I tried them to replace my PSP with dead pixels, I hold no grudge. I am entitled though, to have an opinion that with PS3 they didn't do a good job for the video-game community, they cared more with the Blu-Ray stuff. So, for me, roll on PS4. The controller is a fine example... what the heck? the same controller with no rumble? Are they kidding me?
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Doctor_What
20/08/08 @ 12:33
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Let's be honest, all three systems are a bit lack-lustre at the moment:
360: the best games, the hardware is noisy, unreliable, and has batteries in the controller, XBLA is mostly a collection of Flash games. Pay for online. Still not profitable. PS3: decent games, the hardware is lovely, the multimedia stuff is great, and PSN Store has some weird and interesting titles. Free online. Still not profitable. Wii: a couple of stand-out games and the rest are one-note filler, but at least your parents aren't afraid of it after a few glasses of wine. Profitable. They could all do a lot better. I use my 360 for games but was very disappointed with Gold Live so let that slip after two months. I use my PS3 for games, films, and downloaded TV. I use the Wii for an easy and social workout. They've all got their undeniable good points and bad points, so can we please stop the bickering! |
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rufus_the_stunt_bum
20/08/08 @ 12:33
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lol... this is the reason I visit Eurogamer. I love these completely pointless and utterly entertaining debates on why one console is better than the rest... keep up the good work.
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el_pollo_diablo
20/08/08 @ 12:35
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I like my PS3.
Couldn't care less if Sony are losing money on it or not. Couldn't care less if they're 'winning' or not. Couldn't care less what Dave Perry thinks either, although he's perfectly entitled to his opinion. I just like it. Why can't we all get along? |
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rufus_the_stunt_bum
20/08/08 @ 12:37
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^^ +1 el_pollo_diablo
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SeesThroughAll
20/08/08 @ 12:40
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Oh man..., leave that..., believe it or not I have no prejudice against Sony, and I think, regarding this issue, the only diference between us is that I also don't have for MS (or M string).
Even after they sorta mocked me when I tried them to replace my PSP with dead pixels, I hold no grudge. I am entitled though, to have an opinion that with PS3 they didn't do a good job for the video-game community, they cared more with the Blu-Ray stuff. So, for me, roll on PS4. Fair enough, mate. I do respect that you'd be displeased with their service regarding the dead pixels issue on the PSP (just because I was lucky with that doesn't mean everybody would) and would understand that you dislike them as a company as a result. My dislike for MS ages back from real problems I've had using NT when I was studying in Lisbon and that did hurt my workflow. I wished I had a working effective choice back then. But in those days, I wouldn't even know where to find a good Ubuntu edition. Good thing it's a hell of a lot easier to find nowadays. ;) I still think that the PS3 biggest problems came from Krazy Ken's megalomania in the beginning, and that Phil Harrison, despite being an arrogant twat, did have a good eye for quality Indie developers and should have stayed in SCE. Firing him was the Jap exec's latest big mistake. But I'm still confident great games will come out for it and am pleased with the product in general. Just like I was with the PSP. BTW, since you're a tech freak like me, have you heard of the Pandora? ;) |
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ps3owner - technically yeah the 360 is a flop.....but seen as its actually beating sony at is own game this generation i dont think M$ will be crying into their gold plated cereal bowls anytime soon....."
Not just technically, commercially it's as big a flop. MS are blind and think that with snatching away exclusives from PS they can reach PS2-like success. They're very wrong and stupid for still not seeing it. xbox has been perfectly targeted at the hardcore and americans. Too bad for MS they're too small a market to actually make any money... |
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farticusmaximus
20/08/08 @ 12:49
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@SeesThroughAll
"Same tech, different implementation." Yes its the same tech, in the same way that my digital watch uses some of the same tech as the hubble telescope. The implementation of that tech means that the Sixxaxis is nothing at all like MotionPlus, which was the original argument. "doesn't make it useless." It really does. There is not one single usefull implementation of sixxaxis control. It's bolted-on and pointless, and YES I have played most of the games that use it. "You need to own one to know what it's capable of, especially as far as media capabilities are concerned. Marketing about the entirety of features has been pretty bad, I'm afraid." I've spent plenty of time with a friends PS3. Enough to know it's a really nice and slick media center. "You sound to me like be one of those people who refuse to touch a PS3 (since you don't need to use it to know it's bad), and yet you know so much about the best titles available for the filthy thing. Amazing! Maybe I should consult your crystal ball next gen. ;)" Sorry to dissapoint, but I'm speaking from actual experience of using a PS3. |
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"Let's be honest, all three systems are a bit lack-lustre at the moment: "
True. The last 5-10 games I bought are from the PS2 back catalogue. Game quality is deteriorating fast and the only thing the gaming press and hardcore gamers do is congratulate themselves with one lacklustre graphics upgrade/gameplay downgrade title after the other... Pathetic. |
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SeesThroughAll
20/08/08 @ 12:52
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Ok, farticusmaximus. If you really used it and played with it, then your opinion on it is a valid one. Fair enough.
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smoothn00dle
20/08/08 @ 12:53
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I watch this guy's interview on GT Bonus Round before. He strikes me as a game developer who knows nothing about business.
PS3 already makes a profit this quarter. The real profit for PS3 may not be the hardware but is the softwares and services. Software royalty from games and download movies and games. This is a huge!! PS3 is going to become EB games. Why buy games at the shops, just download them. Use PC? no way! PS3 only and Sony can charge every games on their network 30 percent of its revenue on top of royalty and ads. Money$$$$$ Thx to PS3, Blu-ray won. This mean every Blu-ray consumers buy, blank or not blank, Sony will make a 10% percent profit. If it take off and became DVD today, this thing print money$$$$$$ 2 billions dollars per year kinda money$$$$$ David Perry knows shit. He properly just said that and read our comments for answers. Sucker! Pls DP, keep your mouth shut and make some goood games. |
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SeesThroughAll
20/08/08 @ 12:55
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PS3 already makes a profit this quarter. The real profit for PS3 may not be the hardware but is the softwares and services.
Not really. The gaming division is still in the red. But next fiscal year they'll begin recovering for sure. Which is good news for whoever bought the PS3, because it means it will be supported for a while as originally planned. |
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SeesThroughAll
20/08/08 @ 12:56
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miiiguel: It looks pretty neat, doesn't it? Tell you what, maybe after it's out we can "sit together" and make some homebrew for it. :)
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