PS3 firmware update on Friday

By Robert Purchese Published 19 March, 2007

1.6 available from day one.

Sony has confirmed to Eurogamer this morning that firmware version 1.6 will be available for PlayStation 3 when the console launches across Europe on Friday.

However, the hardware won't ship with the update, so you'll have to download it from the PlayStation Network when you get home. If you're lucky enough to survive roaming gangs of PS3-hungry thugs, that is.

The new version includes lots of meaty new features, like increased backwards compatibility, background downloading, full-size keyboard support and web browser tweaks.

You'll also now be able to use your PSP remotely with the PS3, globally connecting using Wi-Fi hotspots, rather than having to be directly connected to the console.

Also bundled is the Folding@home application, which aims to clue you in on protein folding, misfolding, and related diseases like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, cystic fibrosis and various cancers.

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About Robert Purchese

Bertie is Eurogamer's Senior Staff Writer. When he's not hunting down news stories he's often found playing with his kids or gabbling about fantasy games and strange online worlds.

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  • trevd72 #1 5 years ago

    background downloading - what a joke

  • lasermink #2 5 years ago

    "Also bundled is the Folding@home application, which aims to clue you in on protein folding, misfolding, and related diseases like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, cystic fibrosis and various cancers."

    Is this a joke that I just don't get?

  • mkreku #3 5 years ago

    It's actually not a joke. Sony aims to let the console try to solve cancer while you're not playing.. Kind of neat, actually.

  • Beano #4 5 years ago

    "background downloading - what a joke "

    Why?

  • CivilD #5 5 years ago

    Remote Play over wifi is so awesome that I can't even contemplate it.

  • lasermink #6 5 years ago

    "Sony aims to let the console try to solve cancer while you're not playing.. Kind of neat, actually."

    I suppose so. But it had better look cool while doing it!

  • zuljin #7 5 years ago

    @Beano
    The XMB isn't layered, meaning that when the XMB isn't running (in a game) your download stops... Not quite "background downloading" in my book...

  • DaveT #8 5 years ago

    Seriously, why folding @home?

    Yay, I can increase my electricity bill while creating hypothetical models which are still pretty useless without experimental data.

  • chupachups #9 5 years ago

    Folding@home has been available on PCs for many years, you can download the client to your PC right now if you want:

    [link url=http://folding.stanford. edu/
    ]http://folding.stanford. edu/
    [/link]

    I don't understand why they're trying to tie this in with the PS3, the PC side of this is far more significant. Even if the PS3 sold 100 million units in its lifetime it would still only be a fraction of the number of PCs sold in the same time period.

  • spongebob #10 5 years ago

    I'm feeling bad because I don't have the money to buy PS3 and a HD TV. Why can't I be rich or at least wealthy?

  • kissthestick #11 5 years ago

    Seriously, why folding @home?

    Yay, I can increase my electricity bill while creating hypothetical models which are still pretty useless without experimental data.

    its about choice ;)

  • SeesThroughAll #12 5 years ago

    I don't understand why they're trying to tie this in with the PS3, the PC side of this is far more significant. Even if the PS3 sold 100 million units in its lifetime it would still only be a fraction of the number of PCs sold in the same time period.

    Each connected PS3 will calculate over 10 times faster, do the maths.

  • Dizzy #13 5 years ago

    >Each connected PS3 will calculate over 10 times faster, do the maths.

    Pleaaaassseeee.

    >its about choice ;)

    The ultimate excuse of capitalism. Eat a nice fat uberburger and die a fat pig. It is about choice!!!!
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 11:18

  • SeesThroughAll #14 5 years ago

    @ Dizzy:

    Let me guess, "It's a lie!!!1!!!!1!!! More $ony Lies!!!11!!!!!!one!!"

  • Skooch #15 5 years ago

    "If you're lucky enough to survive roaming gangs of PS3-hungry thugs, that is."

    I've read this a lot about the PS3, but not about the 360 or Wii, which makes me laugh because it's mainly pikey 'cos-it's-playstation-innit' tards that would actually go and buy one at launch. Getting it out the XR3i and into the council house before an ASBO'd 14-yr old stabs you for it is probably par for the course.

  • Dizzy #16 5 years ago

    >Let me guess, "It's a lie!!!1!!!!1!!! More $ony Lies!!!11!!!!!!one!!"

    Dude....

    PCs are "on" most of the time and have a lot of free cycles. Claiming that PS3 does it 10 times faster is insignificant. chupachups is right.
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 11:21

  • Garulon #17 5 years ago

    "Increased backwards compatibility" - er, are you sure about this? Compared to what? The firmware on PAL PS3s or the US/Japanese PS3s?

  • zuljin #18 5 years ago

    @chupachups
    "I don't understand why they're trying to tie this in with the PS3, the PC side of this is far more significant. Even if the PS3 sold 100 million units in its lifetime it would still only be a fraction of the number of PCs sold in the same time period."

    Unfortunately people who own PCs don't know about it. It only has 190k users. 100 million ps3 users seeing folding@home on the XMB would at the least give the project a lot of publicity...

  • Dizzy #19 5 years ago

    "Unfortunately people who own PCs don't know about it. It only has 190k users. 100 million ps3 users seeing folding@home on the XMB would at the least give the project a lot of publicity... "

    That makes more sense...

  • Beano #20 5 years ago

    "I believe the background downloading is not active while you are playing a game, but if you're in the XMB it is. "

    True - but it's still a big improvement IMO.

    And you will still be able to watch movies, listening to music, etc. (AFAIK)
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 11:24

  • SeesThroughAll #21 5 years ago

    The free cycles on the PC are even going to make it slower from the PCs side. Supposing I run folding@home from a pretty decently fast PC (Core Duo and the like), in the background, the PS3 (which can only run folding@home dedicated) can easily match the amount of calculations the PC does in about a week, in half a day.

    I wouldn't exactly call this pointless.
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 11:27

  • Beano #22 5 years ago

    ""Increased backwards compatibility" - er, are you sure about this? Compared to what? The firmware on PAL PS3s or the US/Japanese PS3s?"

    Compared to the firmware which is on the EU PS3 out-of-the-box... I guess ;)

  • Darren #23 5 years ago

    I thought the UK machines were shipping with the v1.6 firmware already installed so I wasn't expecting to have to download an update as soon as I take my PS3 online. Still I'd rather have these regular updates than have to wait months for issues to be fixed and Sony are doing their utmost to address key issues. Won't be long before the PS3 is on a par with the Xbox 360! ;)

    P.S. Does anyone know if Sony have added DVD upscaling yet as they said they would or whether Blu-ray movies will now play at 720p as well as 1080i and 1080p? My HDTV supports 1080i but not 1080p and I want to play games at 720p without having to keep switching resolutions!

  • 2099net #24 5 years ago

    @SeesThroughAll

    I do. How many people are going to select the option, let alone leave it on, full pelt, for more than a few minutes?

  • Darren #25 5 years ago

    I think the folding@home thing is a cool idea if helps to ultimate find a cure for cancer and save people's lives. I don't see how anyone could say otherwise really.

  • fingersthebeaver #26 5 years ago

    Just a thought but does this mean if you don't have broadband, unlikely but possible, and buy a PS3 you will have really limited BC, I think I read somewhere out of ten of the top PS2 games only one worked with the current firmware.

  • Keso #27 5 years ago

    Folding@home can be set to run when the PS3 is idle, so when you run out the room for a beer/phone call/whatever, it can kick in then, once you return, you just continue from where you were.

    Sounds like a good idea to me.

  • HiddenAway #28 5 years ago

    Question!

    For those who don't want to go online with the PS3 (assume they have a PC), how the hell do you get the firmware updates?

  • mkreku #29 5 years ago

    Maybe Sony will have some sort of option to have the firmware sent to you on a DVD or something? I guess we'll see when it launches. I don't really believe they'll just leave everyone without Internet connection hanging.

  • McDermotX #30 5 years ago

    "The XMB isn't layered, meaning that when the XMB isn't running (in a game) your download stops... Not quite "background downloading" in my book... "


    Eh.......don't forget that any online enabled game started on the 360 ( and even some that aren't) pause any background downloading in progress..

    Not quite background downloading either really....regardless of MS's excuse of not wanting to affect possible online play..
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 11:51

  • Overlush #31 5 years ago

    This PSP-PS3 remote thing SOUNDS good, but what exactly will you be able to do with it? Adjust the backgrounds on your PS3 from the comfort of the bus? Re-shuffle your pictures and music? If that's all it is, well, wate of time IMHO.

    Anyone care to explain this concept in more detail?

  • Beano #32 5 years ago

    "Maybe Sony will have some sort of option to have the firmware sent to you on a DVD or something?"

    You should be able to download the new PS3 firmware from Sony yourself just like PSP firmwares.

  • Beano #33 5 years ago

    "Anyone care to explain this concept in more detail? "

    Listen to music on your PSP which is stored on the PS3.

  • Stormflood #34 5 years ago

    "For those who don't want to go online with the PS3 (assume they have a PC), how the hell do you get the firmware updates?"

    New game discs. They've mentioned this before.

  • manic_mouse #35 5 years ago

    "Eh.......don't forget that any online enabled game started on the 360 ( and even some that aren't) pause any background downloading in progress..

    Not quite background downloading either really....regardless of MS's excuse of not wanting to affect possible online play.."

    It only stops your download when you play online, if you're playing single player it continues to download. Or would you rather have laggy games because everyone's background downloading?

  • zuljin #36 5 years ago

    @McDermotX
    "Eh.......don't forget that any online enabled game started on the 360 ( and even some that aren't) pause any background downloading in progress.."

    Notice I actually made no reference to XBox360... :)
    But point taken, neither is perfect, although I do think the PS3 version of background downloading is very limited. But yes, better than nothing I suppose.

  • Halo.Jones #37 5 years ago

    @ Beano:

    Listen to music on your PSP via the remote play option.

  • dadrester #38 5 years ago

    "Maybe Sony will have some sort of option to have the firmware sent to you on a DVD or something?"

    You should be able to download the new PS3 firmware from Sony yourself just like PSP firmwares.

    and watch any video content that's stored on it... and eventually access 'home' and certain games.

  • Steroyd #39 5 years ago

    Disc: No they have not added the DVD upscaling yet.

    you never know if it'll be in this update though, Sony tends to "not fix" problems which they never admitted where there in the first place.

    Like the B/C issue on the US and JPN PS3's.

  • McDermotX #40 5 years ago

    "It only stops your download when you play online, if you're playing single player it continues to download. Or would you rather have laggy games because everyone's background downloading?"

    No necessarily......like I said, some online "enabled" (not playing online) games pause the download..
    Only playing Tiger Woods (single-player) the other day while downloading with a pause in the background..
    This was discussed a long while back on other forums..

  • CivilD #41 5 years ago

    "This PSP-PS3 remote thing SOUNDS good, but what exactly will you be able to do with it? Adjust the backgrounds on your PS3 from the comfort of the bus? Re-shuffle your pictures and music? If that's all it is, well, wate of time IMHO.

    Anyone care to explain this concept in more detail? "

    With remote play I can watch movies within range of my PS3, i.e. in bed. I don't know if this would work over wifi, but if it does, I should be able to watch any movie stored on my PS3 as long as I can find a wifi spot.

  • Dizzy #42 5 years ago

    "The free cycles on the PC are even going to make it slower from the PCs side. Supposing I run folding@home from a pretty decently fast PC (Core Duo and the like), in the background, the PS3 (which can only run folding@home dedicated) can easily match the amount of calculations the PC does in about a week, in half a day. "

    That is the whole point. PC are on and being used for surfing, word process, etc.... all around the world. they have plenty of free wasted cycles so running this on PCs doesn't use (a lot) more energy so it is in fact free processing power (this was the whole idea behind this kind of distributed computing). On PS3 (or any other console) it is mostly a waste of energy and a nice way to increase global warming or at the very least increase your electricity bill.

    Anyway.. nuff said. This has already gone totally off topic.
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 12:17

  • JediMasterMalik #43 5 years ago

    This should mean you can watch any movie, listen to any music, or access files on your PS3 at home, from any hotspot with your PSP. Sounds great.

  • manic_mouse #44 5 years ago

    With remote play can you watch a DVD that's in the PS3? That would be pretty awesome...

  • Steroyd #45 5 years ago

    [link url=http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/070315e.pdf
    ]    http://ww w.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/...[/link]

    The Cell/B.E. processor inside each PS3 is roughly 10 times faster than a standard
    mainstream chip inside a personal computer (PC), so researchers are able to perform the
    simulations much faster, speeding up the research process.

    To run the application automatically in idle state, PS3 must be connected to the network with both main power switch and power button turned on. Option setting must also be changed as this automatic feature is off at default.

    [link url=http: //www.mercurynews.com/lifestyle/ci_5440897
    ]http://ww w.mercurynews.com/lifestyle/ci_...[/link]

    "It's a big deal," said Pande. "Even starting small, the PS3 means a dramatic increase."

    Here's one scenario: Sony says there are about 1 million PS3 owners in the United States and Canada. If just 10,000 of them (1 percent) download the simulations and run them to completion, the project estimates it will double the computing help it already gets from personal computers around the globe.

    In other words the PS3's Cell is more efficient in the type of calculations the university needs not how many CPU cycles are left over from PC chips.

    When PS3 owners are running the folding simulations, they'll be able to see displays that update them on how close the work unit is to completion. One of the planned displays will depict a view of the world that shows a glowing light everywhere a PS3 is running the Folding@Home software.

  • penhalion #46 5 years ago

    @Disc

    Yes that should help us stop the spread of the vile machines and rid the world of them before they really do become an epidemic! Nicely spotted there. I think we may yet save the future.

  • el_pollo_diablo #47 5 years ago

    Does the new firmware address this:

    [link url=http://asia.playstation.com/eng_hk/index.php?q=ps3-faq #q21
    ]http://as ia.playstation.com/eng_hk/index...[/link]

    ?

    Eurogamer - can you ask Sony on our behalfs please?

  • SeesThroughAll #48 5 years ago

    On PS3 (or any other console) it is mostly a waste of energy and a nice way to increase global warming or at the very least increase your electricity bill.

    I really disagree there. It actually is less of a waste of energy than using any console to play games, IMO. Furthermore, do you really think the heat and power consumption generated by any console is at all comparable to that from the factories that mass produce them?

    Anyway.. nuff said. This has already gone totally off topic.

    TBH, discussing the usefulness of folding@home is a lot more on topic than the usual fanboy drivel that plagues these comment threads.

    Anyway, greetz. I fail to see how either of us could be convinced otherwise.

  • Kropotkin #49 5 years ago

    Getting back to the point here Sony have said that they are releasing a firmware update to the PS3 when it launches in Europe. This update is only available via a download which means people will *have to* connect their PS3's to the internet via broadband in order for it to have additional functionality such as an increased BC capability for PS2 games and remote access from the PSP.

    So the question is, as a percentage, how many PS3 owners will connect their consoles to the internet? My guess would be in the region of 60%, if that. This is just based on what XBox 360 sign up has. So the remainder 40% are going to be a bit miffed as they can't play their PS2 games because they can't/won't connect their PS3's to the internet. Oh dear. Will Sony release a CD containing the necessary update files for those that are not online? For their sakes I hope they do.

  • Fubdub #50 5 years ago

    I'm sure you can put the update on a memorystick and transfer it to your ps3 in the fashion of PSP.

  • The_Programmer #51 5 years ago

    @Darren

    "I think the folding@home thing is a cool idea if helps to ultimate find a cure for cancer and save people's lives. I don't see how anyone could say otherwise really. "

    So you would let your PS3 run this program burning large amounts of electricity & adding to Global warming which causes cancer. Why don't you turn it off when your not using it and stop causing cancer?

    "The new version includes lots of meaty new features, like increased backwards compatibility"

    I thought the European PS3 has in fact less backwards compatibility and not more.

  • SeesThroughAll #52 5 years ago

    @ Kropotkin:

    I agree, it's a major screw-up unless they at least bundle a CD with the necessary update. I won't be affected by this, as I'll simply download the update from a PC and burn it myself on a CD, but a lot of people will likely be left out.

  • -TKF- #53 5 years ago

    Good classic Sony hate.. kudos to the posters!

  • Darren #54 5 years ago

    @Kropotkin - We don't yet know whether the UK PS3 games will already have this v1.6 firmware on them or, if not, that games released in April will include it. What I'm saying is that it'll probably be possible for everyone to get these updates whether they're online or not just by playing the games (unless someone buys a PS3 for *not* playing games on then I don't suppose the firmware update would interest them anyway! :p )

    This is the method used by the Xbox 360 and PSP to update firmware so I'd imagine the PS3 will use it too.

  • chupachups #55 5 years ago

    "Each connected PS3 will calculate over 10 times faster, do the maths."

    Are you saying the PS3 calculates faster than any PC on the market?

    Even if it did right now, it won't next year, and the PS3 has a five to ten year lifespan.


    "Unfortunately people who own PCs don't know about it. It only has 190k users. 100 million ps3 users seeing folding@home on the XMB would at the least give the project a lot of publicity..."

    The publicity is good, but why should PS3 owners be any more likely to run this software than PC owners?

    There's also the problem that the PS3 isn't anywhere near selling 100 million, so far it's only sold 1.5 million.
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 13:13

  • SeesThroughAll #56 5 years ago

    Are you saying the PS3 calculates faster than any PC on the market?

    Yes, it does. Keep in mind, folding@home does not carry the same kind of demands as those made by running a game, it's number crunching. Not just me, the folding@home project researchers claim so. The PS3 runs a custom version, optimized to take advantage of the Cell FP maths.

    Just consider this: They wouldn't have bothered porting it to the PS3 unless there was something to gain.
    Edited by 2 at 19/03/07 @ 13:16

  • Steroyd #57 5 years ago

    LOL

    This is where the GFLOP and TFLOP numbers come into play. ;)

  • chupachups #58 5 years ago

    "Yes, it does. Not just me, the folding@home project researchers claim so. The PS3 runs a custom version, optimized to take advantage of the Cell FP maths. "

    The researchers are the ones who get free publicity for their project from claiming so.

    I don't see any independent people claiming that the PS3 calculates faster than any PC.

    In fact if it DID calculcate faster than any PC, why aren't researchers snapping them up in their millions? $600 is far cheaper than the $2000+ you can expect to pay for the highest end PCs, why aren't scientists everywhere buying bulk orders of PS3s?


    Even if you were right, by the time the PS3 has a significant userbase (1.5 million isn't significant) it will be far behind the capabilities of PCs.
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 13:16

  • urban #59 5 years ago

    oh goodie.

  • Steroyd #60 5 years ago

    Wow Chupachups IBM is using Cell for Cell blade servers they even rolled out a plan to have a petaflop server rack by 2008/9 and some big medical research facility was pimping Cell as well for their Hospital equipment etc etc.

    Siony's been selling Cell's to more than what's in the PS3.

  • SeesThroughAll #61 5 years ago

    I don't see any independent people claiming that the PS3 calculates faster than any PC.

    The same people that say it can be done, but it's very difficult. Don't expect code originally compiled for a PowerPC to take full advantage of the SPUs. If you just take existing code and recompile it, it will actually be slower than the average PC. No compilers currently optimize the code properly, you'll have to "get dirty" and inline asm aggressively.

    In fact if it DID calculate faster than any PC, why aren't researchers snapping them up in their millions? $600 is far cheaper than the $2000+ you can expect to pay for the highest end PCs, why aren't they buying bulk orders of PS3s?

    Because those universities/institutions with the money would rather buy dedicated clusters directly from IBM, for starters. Not that others haven't thought of you said already, anyway.

  • smelly #62 5 years ago

    So.

    Who's going to be stupid enough to get one on launch? And not just wait for the innevitable price drop when it turns out they're selling f-all?

  • Dizzy #63 5 years ago

    "I don't see any independent people claiming that the PS3 calculates faster than any PC. "

    They (Cell) are very fast for floating point stuff and very well suited to these kind of atomic mini calculations. That being said this software runs 100% dedicated on PS3 and only on idle speed on PCs so hard to compare. They also take a pretty low PC CPU as a reference probably and are not including the GPU version of the sofware (than one is blindingly fast).
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 13:36

  • zuljin #64 5 years ago

    @chupachups
    "The publicity is good, but why should PS3 owners be any more likely to run this software than PC owners?"

    Imagine every pc came as standard with folding@home shortcut on your desktop. A lot more people would see the good in it and hopefully use it more often. I'm not saying this should make people buy the console just for that reason, but next gen consoles could very easily make a whole world of difference in this type of research.

  • -TKF- #65 5 years ago

    CELL IS FAST!

    http://gamevideo s.com/video/id/10000 Real time!

    As confirmed here:

    http://www.g amevideos.com/video/id/10039

  • JediMasterMalik #66 5 years ago

    Smelly do fuck off. Have fun with your Mini-game console.

    /shouldn't have but had to

  • mkreku #67 5 years ago

    I still don't see how people can even try to turn this into a bad thing. It's so petty and pathetic it's actually nauseating.

    Yes, Sony has done a lot of things wrong. This is NOT one of them, no matter how you twist and bend it. And why are people "worried" that all the PS3's running Folding@Home will add to the global climate change? The calculations has to be done anyhow! Doing them on a PS3 as opposed to a super expensive super computer makes no difference. Or are Sony now so bad that even their waste of energy is worse than other appliances waste of energy?

  • Dizzy #68 5 years ago

    >Freedom is Slavery!

    Are you saying you are fat?
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 13:57

  • Ihya #69 5 years ago

    This news post is the equivalent to beating the grass with a tennis racket and watching the worms come squirming out. You can catagorically identify people whose hatred of Sony supercedes a worthy effort to assist in the cure of cancer. So simple to mark them down as the absolute morons they truly are. Thanks EG!!
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 13:56

  • smelly #70 5 years ago

    >Smelly do fuck off. Have fun with your Mini-game console.

    Wtf? I didnt mention nintendo.

    Look... I asked .. a... simple.. quest..ion.. Here.. I'll .. explain.. it .. for .. the.. reta..rd..ed.

    1. The ps3 isnt selling very well at the moment world wide (in fact it's taking a dive bomb sales wise)
    2. Even in the uk, they're struggling to sell their pre-orders.
    3. At the moment it doesnt have any decent games worth noting
    4. (apart from ones you can get cheaper on the 360)
    5. In the UK you are paying the equivalent of $1000 for a cut down machine with crappier specs than the US version which sells for nearly half that.
    6. Im sure it will be a good console and sell shed loads, and have great games
    7. But due to #1 and #2, it'll drop in price a LOT before #6 happens


    So my question is, why on earth get one at launch?

    And I cant believe just asking that has got some poor fan kid crying into his socks.. boo hooo!! Go run crying to your mommy.

    Let me guess.. You'll be the first person to moan like a bitch when it does drop in price within months...

  • Dizzy #71 5 years ago

    "can catagorically identify people whose hatred of Sony supercedes a worthy effort to assist in the cure of cancer"

    Being Naive FTW!

    People are stating that energy consumption is also causing cancer and that the basis of distributed computing was originally an idea to utilize all that lost idle energy, not increase it.

  • AcidSnake #72 5 years ago

    Ah yes, but do you have the freedom to be not free?
    In other words can one choose to become a slave?
    (Capitalism does not equal freedom)

    About the article:
    Too bad that offline users will not have BC...But then when they'll buy a game in the future it will probably sort itself out...

    About folding at home:
    I'll say it again, nice idea...

  • smelly #73 5 years ago

    >You can catagorically identify people whose hatred of Sony

    Oh come off it. I can gaurantee 99.99% of this forum owns a ps2, and will probably end up getting a ps3.

    Yes we're pissed off at sony for it's pricing decisions, for forcing blu-ray on us, for giving us a cutdown version of the US console, etc. But I doubt anyone actually *hates* sony.

    That's insane!

  • JediMasterMalik #74 5 years ago

    Wtf? I didnt mention nintendo

    Nor did I...

    And my problem with you is that you don't seem to want to allow anyone else to enjoy the PS3 because you don't think it's worth it. You practically called anyone who thinks they'll enjoy the PS3 at launch stupid. Close minded and fanboyish to say the least.
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 14:06

  • smelly #75 5 years ago

    "And my problem with you is that you don't seem to want to allow anyone else to enjopy the PS3 because you don't think it's worth it."

    No. I didnt say that. And how am i "not going to allow" people to enjoy it?

    Get a life.

    I just said, that due to the way it's selling worldwide at the moment (and even the pre-orders in the uk seem to be going the same way) that it'd be absolutely insanity to get one at launch!

    I mean the wii software line up hasnt been great since it's launch, but in comparision to whats CURRENTLY exclusively available for the ps3, it looks like the best gaming line up ever!

    So it really does seem to make sense to wait until games are available, and the price has dropped 5 or 6 times (by chrimble).

    I'm just trying to understand the logic behind getting one now? That's just pure insanely blinkered brand loyalty!

  • Steroyd #76 5 years ago

    Mkreku: Yes, Sony has done a lot of things wrong. This is NOT one of them, no matter how you twist and bend it. And why are people "worried" that all the PS3's running Folding@Home will add to the global climate change?

    You know what I find hilarious, <a href=http://www.eurogamer.net/article_discussion.php? article_id=74229>I actually made a joke about that. (11th comment down).</a>

    *snigger*
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 14:12

  • Ihya #77 5 years ago

    "Being Naive FTW!

    People are stating that energy consumption is also causing cancer and that the basis of distributed computing was originally an idea to utilize all that lost idle energy, not increase it."

    I almost spat coffee over my monitor at that one. Well if it comes down to your opinion, Mr random hater on the internet, or the Professor at Stanford University, on the checks and balances of the merit in this effort...

    No wait, you clinched it at the last moment. The Prof is clearly out of his depth here.

  • weaselrat #78 5 years ago

    To totally change the subject. Cancelled my preorder when I came to my senses and thought I'd wait to see who wins the blu ray HDVD battle. Sony restricting what gets produced on the discs won't help.
    I was soooo keen to play motorstorm but then I saw the latest colin mcrae footage and thought about all the joint platform releases, realising that this time round the only game that everyone would like to play that's on the PS3 and nothing else is MGS. Just not worth paying 500 quid for and now the 360 is running at 1080p it seems like the better choice. Not that it looks a hell of a lot better than 720p anyway. I can't be the only one thinking it either as the PS3 is not selling out anywhere.
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 14:17

  • SeesThroughAll #79 5 years ago

    Noone does inline assembler any more.

    You would be surprised.

  • Dizzy #80 5 years ago

    >I almost spat coffee over my monitor at that one

    You have problems with facts?

    Ever tried looking up how this distributed PC computing started?

    http://en .wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_c...
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 14:21

  • JediMasterMalik #81 5 years ago

    Smelly, you're saying that because it isn't selling well, it doesn't make sense to buy it? You're following a social logic which makes little sense. You only buy things that are popular? That's practally what you are saying.

    Yes, the Wii has more exclusives, but none are as good as Motorstorm or Resistance so that argument doesn't stand up either. (going by review scores here though).

  • weaselrat #82 5 years ago

    I've played resistance and it isn't that great. Hardly a FPS groundbreaker

  • zuljin #83 5 years ago

    @smelly
    US sold just over 80k units of PS3 in 2 days... And the UK got allocated 220k units on launch. I'd be baffled if they didn't struggle to sell out preorders.

    It's another case of Sony not being able to live up to expectations. If they didn't have enough units, people would be saying they screwed up yet again, and now they have enough units to satisfy preorders and apparently they screwed up yet again.

    *sigh*

  • bigbras #84 5 years ago

    This is all so tedius and predictable.

    This entire thread has become completely worthless due to the overwhelming number of morons who think its clever to try and 'out-comment' other people. For example;

    "
    @we_dont_give_a_shit
    {insert stupid comment here}
    "

    We didnt give a shit about what was said before your response, and we sure dont give a shit afterwards. Go and do something constructive, which in this case might be for you to try and win a Darwin award.

    Regards,

    Sean (no, I won't respond, so get flaming you morons!)
    Edited by 3 at 19/03/07 @ 14:34

  • AcidSnake #85 5 years ago

    @JMM:
    Didn't resistance score lower than Zelda?
    And excitetruck? And others?
    (Just pointing out, don't get me wrong)

    @Zuljin:
    80k in 2 days?!
    Considering the 127k in the whole of february that's a whopping number...
    Any sources?

  • JediMasterMalik #86 5 years ago

    If EG is the only place you look at reiews, then yes. Then again, Zelda is NOT an exclusive is it?

    [link url=http://ww w.metacritic.com/games/wii/scores/
    ]http://ww w.metacritic.com/games/wii/scor...[/link]
    [link url=http://ww w.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/
    ]http://ww w.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scor...[/link]

    (just pointing it out)

  • trevd72 #87 5 years ago

    just to back up smelly here.

    i love the playstation brand but hate sony. at the end of the day i dont like being manipulated, lied to, ripped off and took for granted. got shot of the wife for less lol.

    I want a PS3 but it will be on my terms not sony's. everything will be pre-owned.

    remember lik-sang.

  • Gurgeh #88 5 years ago

    Re: Cell processor speed, posted it before but here it is:

    [link url=http://www.ddj.com/dept/64bit /197801624;jsessionid=4NAKMGTFY2CCKQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN ]http://ww w.ddj.com/dept/64bit/197801624;...[/link]

    "The good news is that the Cell is really fast: It provides enough computational power to replace a small high-performance cluster. The bad news is that it's difficult to program: Software that exploits the Cell's potential requires a development effort significantly greater than traditional platforms. If you expect to port your application efficiently to the Cell via recompilation or threads, think again."

    Note they are talking about specific tasks that the Cell is fast at, which don't necessarily translate well to games, and "significantly greater" development effort really is significant - their Cell code was twenty times longer than their PC code.

  • trevd72 #89 5 years ago

    apparently Motorstorm is all fur coat and no knickers.

  • zuljin #90 5 years ago

    @AcidSnake
    I read it on here:
    [link url=http://www.megagames.com/news/html /console/firstps3launchfiguresreleased.shtml
    ]http://ww w.megagames.com/news/html/conso...[/link]
    Not sure how reliable that is tho.

    Anyway, even if they sold 50k in the first 2 days, the point was that the UK getting 220k units is absolutely huge, so yes it is unsurprising retailers still have preorders available. The figure wasn't put in to big up the PS3, more to show the UK preorders allocation is ginormous in comparison.

  • AcidSnake #91 5 years ago

    @JMM:
    :)
    Right, I thought as Zelda as exclusive which it ofcourse isn't...

    And metacritic scores are more accurate...

  • Darren #92 5 years ago

    Trevd72 - "apparently Motorstorm is all fur coat and no knickers."

    Unless I'm misunderstanding something, are you saying the game is more *accessible*? LOL

  • AcidSnake #93 5 years ago

    @Zuljin:
    US sold just over 80k units of PS3 in 2 days
    Actually that article talks about the japanese launch days...

    I misread it as the last 2 days in US...

    The number for the US launch was actually about 200000...
    Still, for the UK to get 220.000 is still pretty good...Point is that most signs indicate that there are not a lot of buyers...
    Still...Just a few days away...kind of exciting...
    And think of the various spin-stories surfacing the days after...
    And flame wars....

  • Walshicus #94 5 years ago

    Wait, is Sony launching a console this month?

  • zuljin #95 5 years ago

    @AcidSnake
    Whoops going senile in my old age... I can't wait either tbh, I think getting their software side up and running now I hope Nintendo/MS/Sony can get some cracking exclusives out...

  • Tomnd #96 5 years ago

    "In fact, it takes about a day to simulate a nanosecond (1/1,000,000,000 of a second). Unfortunately, proteins fold on the tens of microsecond timescale (10,000 nanoseconds). Thus, it would take 10,000 CPU days to simulate folding -- i.e. it would take 30 CPU years! That's a long time to wait for one result!"


    from the site above, quite interesting.

  • trevd72 #97 5 years ago

    @Darren

    in that the game mechanics are old hat. excellent graphics but the game is slightly broken with over long races that tend to punish you with catch up AI at the end. not many tracks or options. I think the UK gets online racing though compared to the jap and us release.

  • JediMasterMalik #98 5 years ago

    Only the Jap release had no online. The only issue reviewers seem to have is the lack of options and courses. I haven't read a review which says the actual races are bad.

  • trevd72 #99 5 years ago

    digitiser on teletext

  • Steroyd #100 5 years ago

    Doesn't Mario Kart have that bitch ass rubberband Ai. :)

  • RexRunti #101 5 years ago

    Aaah but bitch ass rubberband Ai is fine on short races.

  • smelly #102 5 years ago

    "Smelly, you're saying that because it isn't selling well, it doesn't make sense to buy it?"

    .. at the current price.. yes.

    See, unpopular expensive things tend to go down in price.


    You guys have answered my question though. Uk gamers really are stupid.. Cheers :-)

  • trevd72 #103 5 years ago

    @Steroyd yes it does and in the review on digi it compares this cheating to the races in MK.

  • Steroyd #104 5 years ago

    Yeah right Rainbow Road was fun when you don't fly off the edge too much.

  • Darren #105 5 years ago

    I must admit, it's strange that MotorStorm is in so many ways a next-gen racer yet resorts to last-gen "cheating" A.I. to keep the races tight. Surely these games should be a test of skill so why didn't the developers simply create a separate arcade and simulation mode, with the A.I. tweaked appropriately or even allow you to turn off the rubber-banding as you've been able to do in the Need For Speed games for years now?

    Still looking forward to playing the game loads but the talk about the A.I. is worrying me as I despise games that resort to cheap rubber-banding as a substitute for proper competitive A.I. as a single mistake can cost you the race on the last stretch. I suppose that's what the multiplayer is there for?

  • frag.uk #106 5 years ago

    Folding@home is just a rip-off of projects such as SETI and the BBC global climate model which have been used on PCs for years.

    Besides, why is Sony developing a cure for cancer? It would just be used on the corporation . . .

  • SeesThroughAll #107 5 years ago

    Besides, why is Sony developing a cure for cancer? It would just be used on the corporation . . .

    Sony isn't developing any cure for jack-shit. Folding@home is an initiative from Stanford University. Sony is just using the whole thing to promote the PS3.

    Folding@home is just a rip-off of projects such as SETI and the BBC global climate model which have been used on PCs for years.

    ?? "I'm sorry, I don't like your distributed computing project because it's a rip-off of SETI"

    This is just too funny.

  • Steroyd #108 5 years ago

    That's a dedicated Sony hater right there.

  • RexRunti #109 5 years ago

    I think the folding@home thing is quite a good idea but i think Sony are leaving another front open if this continues.

    Surely protien folding research can be used for say stem cell research, genetic enginering or cloning. Considering the amount of (wholly unjustified) bad press these areas get are Sony not asking for PS3 creates GM monster headlines, from sensationlist news papers (coughDailyMailcough) or evangellical nutters (coughJackThompsoncough) etc. While most intelligent people see almost all scientific research as an advancement of the human race, they is a very vocal minority who could scream blue murder. This is a PR stunt asking for trouble, at least give people the choice to install it or not to keep the zealots at bay.

  • Beano #110 5 years ago

    "Sony isn't developing any cure for jack-shit. Folding@home is an initiative from Stanford University. Sony is just using the whole thing to promote the PS3."

    I agree - but Sony aren't really hurting anybody by making this possible... with luck, this may actually provide helpfull information to the researchers. So I'm not complaining about this marketing tool.

  • SeesThroughAll #111 5 years ago

    I agree - but Sony aren't really hurting anybody by making this possible... with luck, this may actually provide helpfull information to the researchers. So I'm not complaining about this marketing tool.

    I agree it's very useful, and I do intend to contribute quite a few times, my remark of it being a marketing tool is not a criticism, just stating the fact that Sony wouldn't adhere to the project without profits in sight (obviously).

  • Moonprince #112 5 years ago

    PS3 is P0\/\/3rfu1 U.S.A have prevented it from reaching Iraqi hands for fear they will use it to take over the world :o

  • Scimarad #113 5 years ago

    I see the miserable bastards are out in force today...

  • AOFanboi #114 5 years ago

    Why are people surprised a RISC CPU full of SPU units can do floating point arithmetic faster than a general-purpose CISC processor? I mean, MAYBE if you write direct IA-32/64 code instead of Pentium or (horror upon horrors) x86 code. If you want to compute things fast on a PC, push the job onto the GPU instead.
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 18:28

  • JediMasterMalik #115 5 years ago

    WaxBrazillian, you are incredible.

  • SeesThroughAll #116 5 years ago

    We already had that one with PS2 Saddam according to Sony thought it so powerful he bought up all stock to create a supercomputer capable of magically firing Superguns and making WMDs remember?

    Poor Sony why do they have to lie? Isn't the product selling well?

    Poor WaxBrazillian, why did you believe?
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 19:01

  • zuljin #117 5 years ago

    @AOFanboi
    Funnily enough, their GPU version is now in Beta. Kinda makes sense, since you're not really using it to the full when you're just browsing the web or reading emails.

  • Virvel #118 5 years ago

    Finally PS3 is here!! Four more days and I will pick up my copy together with Motorstorm and Resistance.

    Thank God I didnt invest in the inferior XBox-360 console.

  • SeesThroughAll #119 5 years ago

    Thank God I didnt invest in the inferior XBox-360 console.

    *sigh* And so it starts again.....

    /shrugs and leaves

  • wilesy #120 5 years ago

    We all know the PS3 will drop in price. The question you have to answer is will you get your money's worth by buying it at launch? i.e. let's say it drops £100 by Christmas (Sony have said not but you never know), will you get £100 worth out of it in 9 months? Personally, my PS2 is on it's last legs but I have games that I still want to play. Do I splash out £50 on a new PS2 for 9 months or buy a PS3 at launch?
    I got my PS2 6 years ago and it was my first DVD player. I have since replaced it with a dedicated DVD player, however I'm not sure whether I will ever buy another Blue Ray/HD DVD player if I have the PS3. I may not ever get one.
    I also like the fact that I can download movies to the PS3 and watch them on my telly. Ok not a function that everyone wants or needs but I do.

    I have a question regarding the Folding@home function. Does it run when the machine is in Standby mode i.e. powered on but not doing a great deal? If so, I think it is a great addition and I certainly will be using it. I can't think of a time that I have ever powered off my PS2 for any length of time so personally won't increase my carbon consumption for all you environmentalists out there.

    I know that there aren't a great deal of A-list games for the PS3 but I know that there will be in time. I have weighed up all of my options regarding this and I still am leaning toward getting one on launch (provided the backwards compatibility works on the games I am still playing.)

    If I were just thinking of the PS3 as a games machine then no I would not buy it at launch and would wait for the price to drop, but I want it for all the functionality Sony have made it for. I've done the research and made an informed decision.

  • SeesThroughAll #121 5 years ago

    I never believe loss making multicorp's when they have something to sell it's called HYPE be it Sony, Microsoft whoever -

    No shit, Einstein...

    are you on Sony's payroll too?

    Read some of my comments, does it sound to you like I'm on anybody's payroll?
    Edited by 1 at 19/03/07 @ 20:46

  • holsty101 #122 5 years ago

    standby=off? correct? that'd be a 'no' then...

  • JediMasterMalik #123 5 years ago

    WaxBrazillian, you are incredible.

  • dadrester #124 5 years ago

    xbox 360 is for wanna be american fucktards!
    nintendo wii is for kids and pedos!
    sony PS3 is for scummy dole scrounging chavs!

    infium labs phantom is the only console for real men! phantom FTW!
    [edit] FACT!
    Edited by 1 at 20/03/07 @ 02:14

  • mike_mgoblue #125 5 years ago

    Take a look, fellow gamers, Devil May Cry 4 is now confirmed for the Xbox 360 and PC, for a simultaneous release with the Playstation 3.

    The article is great at http://xb ox360.ign.com/articles/774/7740...

    Also, the rumors about Ace Combat coming to the Xbox 360 are true, too!

  • masterson #126 5 years ago

    Fuck knows why the folks that don't wan't one come and post in this thread to inform those that do that they are "stupid", "retarded" or "morons". The thing I find most amusing is that the majority of those with the biggest gobs seem to be relying on review scores or forum whiners rather than actually ever having played on one. I've had a 360 and Wii since their US launches, got a US PS3 a few weeks back. There's not a "killer app" on any of them yet IMHO, the 360 has a few more decent titles at present yet with a year's headstart that's inevitable. If you don't fancy owning any of these consoles then simply don't buy them - it's not as if those that do have them (or want to) are going to cave in to your "logic".
    Anyone that gets so vitriolic about a manufacturer of a games console clearly has very little awareness of what's going on in the real world and a very fucked up sense of priority. Go read a paper for christ's sake and get annoyed about something meaningful you cretinous fuckwits.

  • Scimarad #127 5 years ago

    Well said

  • RedPanda #128 5 years ago

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  • -TKF- #129 5 years ago

    UPDATE: We've received word from Sony that you will indeed be able to play games while downloading content in the background. Similar to how downloads on the Xbox 360 works, you'll be able to play games offline while downloads work in the background, and if you hop online your queue will simply pause until you disconnect.

    The update is set for release on this coming Thursday, March 22nd.

    [link url=http:// ps3.ign.com/articles/774/774165p1.html
    ]http://ps 3.ign.com/articles/774/774165p1...[/link]

    If this is true i expect a few Sony haters here to be eating their dicks.. noo wait how can they, the dick is needed for Microsofts ass