Prince of Persia: Rival Swords Comments by James Lyon
Any port in a sandstorm.
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Hm, thought this would be crap (it's Ubisoft, after all!), I'm surprised! Still no sale of age old game to good old me.
Oh, forgot the obligatory: As good as Resistance Fall of Man, then? XD
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Der_tolle_Emil
07/05/07 @ 08:14
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The original Two Thrones got an 8. I never played it but I loved Sands of Time and Warrior Within was mostly ok as well.
Am I right assuming the 6 is mostly because it's the same game again with no improvements and a high price tag? Because reading the review the game itself seems to be intact and the controls do work well (they may not drastically enhace the game but they don't ruin it either). So is it safe to say that this is actually quite a good game and I can safely buy this if I enjoyed the previous two PoPs? If so I'll get this, even full price. Oh yeah, does it have 480p support? |
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@Emil:
This review states its both 480p and widescreen. And yes, this seems to be the best version of the game, but the gripe everyone has is that it is not much better than the original, but twice as expensive as the GC game. It's a good game, like the EG reviewer said, and if you have never played it before and don't mind the price (or find the price justified by widescreen and 480p), then there is nothing that should stop you from buying it.
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I wish Wii game reviewers would jusdge games in their own right? I'm continually seeing "It's just a PS2 game with Wii controls, 6/10" while the original got an 8/10. Surely if it's the same game then it still deserves 8/10.
Gamer TV gave Oblivion on the 360 and PC a 4/5. They then reviewed the PS3 version and said it's exactly the same with no added content so we're giving it 3/5. Where is the logic in that? If it's the same game it deserves the same score. |
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Surely if it's the same game then it still deserves 8/10.
Agreed. Though it has to be said that there are two potential issues. One, it may be that the signposts have moved in the last two years, making this a relatively worse game compared to the current standard. However, since the reviewer doesn't really say anything about that, we can conclude that this is not the case in his mind. Two, and more probable, it may be that the pricing is actually directly influencing the score, and as such, that the score should be understood as a buyer's advice instead of a quality assessment. If this is the case, it's problematic in more ways than one: - It makes it difficult to interpret the score in a couple of years' time, when the price is probably much lower. - It makes it difficult to interpret the score if one's monetary situation is wildly different to the reviewer's. - It makes it difficult to compare EG's opinions on different games. I believe the question of whether or not the game "is worth it" should be left to the reader, and absolutely not influence the score, which should be a pure quality assessment. /statement done, gets coat
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Well, enough dissing Ubi - I AM A UBI FANBOY!
They brought us Far Cry They brought us the EXCELLENT BG&E They brought us the POP trilogy They brought us the mostly excellent Tom Clancy games (Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell) They are bringing us Assasin's Creed Seriously, can you imagine a better games line-up for a company juggling it on all current gen and next gen platforms? ANd what's more, not one of the above is a sports or racing game. Give them a break. True, they f**ked up my PC with StarForce and true, Double Agent curled and died when I installed the NVidia 8800 GTS, but still.... |
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The Bodybuilder
07/05/07 @ 10:12
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>"I wish Wii game reviewers would jusdge games in their own right? I'm continually seeing "It's just a PS2 game with Wii controls, 6/10" while the original got an 8/10. Surely if it's the same game then it still deserves 8/10. "
Does that mean 15 year old games on LIVE arcade should be getting top marks? Simply because they haven't changed? I can' speak for wii owners, but I'm sure they bought thier consoles to play great games made specifically to take advantage of the console, not to pay full price for 2 years old ps2 games. The review is justified, IMO. |
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Does that mean 15 year old games on LIVE arcade should be getting top marks? Simply because they haven't changed?
Well, I would say there is a certain difference between 15 years and two years here - wouldn't you agree? Not much has changed since The Two Thrones came out as far as game design is concerned. |
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James_Lyon
07/05/07 @ 10:27
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"Two, and more probable, it may be that the pricing is actually directly influencing the score, and as such, that the score should be understood as a buyer's advice instead of a quality assessment."
Well, yes and no. The fact that it's a full-price port of an old game with bolted on controls does come into it. Then again, the fact that there's a date at the top or review shoud put it in context with its contemporaries. Besides, the score is nothing without the words. Like I say, it's a good game and you can take that as read, but it's still an old game ported over. And yes, without stating explicitly, the (goal)posts have moved somewhat with Assassin's Creed on the horizon, Tomb Raider rising from the grave, and the leapy vertigo of Crackdown impressing us all. |
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I quite like this one. I never picked up the oiginal for the cube, despite having the other two. Yes, I could have got Two Thrones at a greatly reduced price, but I have a Wii now so I figured it's a game I want, so why not give the Wii controls a chance. OK, so it's a two year old game, the graphics aren't quite where they should be, but at it's core it's a great game. All the people who keep raising this criticism of 'it's just a port of a cube game' are the same people who are sitting there raving about how good Resident Evil 4 Wii is going to be. A double standard I think.
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The fact that you can buy the GameCube version for around a tenner surely makes this new version completely redundant? I'd rather have a brand new Prince of Persia game built from the ground up to take full advantage of the Wii not a port of a two-year old game with Wii controls added. The score is fair in my opinion; it was a great game two years ago but things have moved on now and it's no longer so impressive.
Am I the only one getting fed up of all these lame last-gen ports that the Wii is getting? Where are all the original games... where are the Nintendo games? |
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Der_tolle_Emil
07/05/07 @ 12:16
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480p and widescreen support is not really import for me but since I have a HDTV and given the choice I'd instantly go for the proper widescreen option. The image quality is a lot better, even if it costs more. Two Thrones for the cube is not really all that much cheaper here anyway (not even half the price of the Wii version; Cube games rarely go down with the price for whatever reason).
The only doubt I had was if the game aged badly in the last two years or if it was the price who influenced the score. Thanks for clearing that up. |
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"I was expressing my general opinion about the standard of the games on the Wii at the moment, not necessarily restricted to Prince of Persia: Rival Swords. Feel free to disagree as much as you want. If you think that's trolling.. Well, I think it says a lot more about you than me."
Well, in your comment, you mentioned "barely functioning controls". Now, if you had read the review, you might have noticed that controls weren't so much of an issue with this game. Hence, your comment was not relevant to the review at all. It would be better suited to its own topic in the forum, so go do that. Or, better yet, don't. There's dozens of "the Wii is a bit shit" topics already. I'm getting a bit bored of them, honestly. Anyway... the only PoP game I liked was the first one. As not much seems to have changed with this port, I doubt I'll be getting it, new controls or no. I want the Good Ubisoft to come back, damnit...
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To review a Wii game especially a Gamecube or PS2 port and are expecting better graphics; then I think that you are in the wrong line of business. The Wii doesn't do high definition we already know that; it would be a problem if the Xbox 360 and PS3 games looked like Xbox and PS2 titles. The Wii is best suited for cartoon style graphics; to judge the Wii graphically you’d have to review a game that was build from the ground up.
The bottom line is Rival Swords is a port of Two Thrones it’s the same game with the added Wii-mote functions; is the game worth a purchase? No not if you already have the original game. I wonder if Resident Evil 4 Wii will get the same treatment. |
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SeesThroughAll
07/05/07 @ 14:04
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When I read the review, somehow it felt like the game should have scored 7 or even 8. Especially considering the controls apparently did work well.
Getting lower marks because it's a port - that's the impression I got - is a bit silly.
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@Genji:
So you're tired of the forum threads that criticize the Wii? Do like me: have no clue there were forums here as well. The reason I put it in that review comment thingie was.. I had nowhere else to put it. I just expressed a feeling I've gotten over time with the Wii. If you're so tired of hearing the same stuff over and over, take a break from it. But don't blame me for repeating stuff I've never even read. I'm not bothered to read every stupid forum on the 'net just so I won't repeat something you have read before. |
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LOL at Sid.
Seriusly though a 6 is fair enough imo. With this type of a port I think it is fair to mark it down. If people have not played it then you could pick it up for under a tenner, £40 for a year old game with minor extras is basically just a con. It is a good game, I'm sure it still is a good game, but I fail to see the point of this re-release |
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Yep it's definitely fair that the game was marked down. I mean Vice City stories on PS2 got a 6 even though Vice City got a 9, it's essentially the same thing repackaged, and at least in that case they made a whole new set of missions and charged half price for it.
A lot of people seem to take every single Wii game review as something personal against the machine, but the fact is that charging full price for a rehash of a two year old game is something that should be marked down regardless of the platform. |
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The Bodybuilder
07/05/07 @ 14:52
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>"Not much has changed since The Two Thrones came out as far as game design is concerned. "
From GOW2, to even Tomb radier anniversary, have all moved the expected goalpost. |
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@ All Trolls
READ THE TEXT W*****S, NOT JUST THE SCORE I like it how they saw the 6, and went on to troll about the Wii controls being shit, WITHOUT realising that the reviewer said the controls are great, and do enhance the game (even though not much). So this is the definitive version, only marked down because of age, no visual or context enhancements, and cost. Though one could argue that widescreen and 480p are an improvement, but then again, I had the Xbox version, whixh was already widescreen (if I remember correctly) |
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tbh I don't see many people saying that the controls are shit and this seems to have been one of the more decent comments sections with not a lot of trolling, ok its not completely Troll Free, but still.
It is obviously the definitive version, no doubt about it, but if you have played it or for that matter own a ps2, xbox or gamecube then I do not understand why someone would part with 4 times the money for what is pretty much the same game. I want to see new games and ideas for the wii, not rehashes, unless radically different then there is no way I will be buying any of these re-release games. Question. Does anyone think that re-releases such as POP, Godfather and Resi4 are worthwhile and will you be buying them. |
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i'll buy the re-release of Resi 4 as many previews call it the definitive version and it is not going to be a full price game. i won't buy Godfather on the principle that i love the film, and the first prince of persia was far too easy and i didnt play any of the others, dunno why cos the first was ok, just didn't fancy it then, don't really fancy it now.
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the_dudefather
07/05/07 @ 15:36
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A POP trilogy with Wii controls at this price would have been awesome
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