Prince of Persia

A chat with producer Ben Mattes.

The teaser trailer for the new Prince of Persia game was one of the highlights of this year's UbiDays press conference. It introduced us to his new sidekick, Elika, and revealed a little more of the game's unique visual style. Unfortunately it was all we got to see of the game in action, as nothing else was shown during the event.

However, Eurogamer did get the chance to sit down with producer Ben Mattes. Read on to find out more about Elika, the balance of combat versus exploration why Mattes believes controversial decisions will pay off.

Eurogamer: Can you just clarify the name of this game?

Ben Mattes: Prince of Persia. That's it.

Eurogamer: Why have decided not to stick a subtitle in there?

Ben Mattes: It's surprising how difficult the decision regarding the title was. We considered many options. Ultimately we decided we're really starting fresh, starting over. We're trying to rejuvenate the franchise, to take ownership of the genre and establish ourselves as the number one action adventure game. We also want to differentiate ourselves from the Sands of Time trilogy and the Disney movie, because we're not connected with them.

It seemed like saying the game title was Prince of Persia was a bold statement, and that's what we're about with this game. We're doing things people think are controversial, but when it sinks in it's that much better. The title, I feel, is part of that.

Eurogamer: How concerned are you that fans of the previous games will react negatively to those decisions?

Ben Mattes: Yes, there's a risk. We're sort of betting our jobs on the fact this is still going to feel like a Prince of Persia game. Maybe not directly - we wouldn't get fired if people didn't passionately love every decision we make.

But we're taking risks we think are going to pay off, and we're very respectful and truthful to the brand DNA. What made the previous Prince of Persia trilogy special? Was it the fact there were Sands of Time powers? I don't think so. Was it the fact you played a particular prince? I also don't think so.

'Prince of Persia' Screenshot 1

Honestly, have these people never heard of wheelchair access?

Eurogamer: So what was it?

Ben Mattes: You controlled a young, powerful, acrobatic hero who saved the world in collaboration with a beautiful girl. There was a balanced mix of combat, acrobatics, and puzzles, with a great story and great characters. That's the brand DNA, that's what Prince of Persia is.

So as long as when you're doing acrobatics it has amazing flow, and when you're fighting enemies it looks super-cool, and there's a great story about the hero and the world and the supporting character... As long as we're truthful to all of that, I think we can paint the walls whatever colour we want.

To people who aren't convinced by that, I would say this game is more true to the magic of Sands of Time than either Warrior Within or The Two Thrones. And I was the producer on Two Thrones. It was my intention to bring the trilogy back in the direction of Sands of Time, which was just spectacular. For this game, we're doing that even more.

So yes, it's bold. Yes, it's risky. But I'm pretty confident that when people see all of these claims in action they're going to say, 'Okay, I get it, and he's right.'

'Prince of Persia' Screenshot 2

Combat has a heavy emphasis on one-on-one duels.

Eurogamer: So the balance of gameplay has shifted further away from combat?

Ben Mattes: Yes, it has. It has shifted towards acrobatics and exploration. There's certainly more exploration than any previous Prince of Persia game, because it's not linear. You're looking for different paths, and you can travel through the world how you want, in the order you want.

But you have to drive all the corruption out of this world systematically, so there will be a lot of platforming back and forth in areas you've already been through once. So you might travel through a level to complete an objective, then come back through the same level. We have all these gameplay mechanisms in place to make sure that level feels different, that it's not exactly the same acrobatic or visual experience, that it has evolved and feels new.

Because you revisit certain areas multiple times, the balance certainly favours acrobatics and exploration over combat. Fans who don't want a lot of combat, and only want to fight the boss when they have to - they can make the ratio 80 to 20 or something like that. A lot of time can be spent doing acrobatics and exploration, if that's what you want.

Eurogamer: You mentioned controversial decisions earlier, and one those is likely to be the introduction of the Prince's new sidekick, Elika. For many action adventure fans part of the thrill is the sense of isolation, of going solo. Adding a sidekick doesn't always work out - take Kurtis in Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness, for example...

Ben Mattes: Ben Mattes: Did you play Shadow of the Colossus? Did you consider yourself to be isolated in that game? We look at Shadow of the Colossus and ICO as inspirations for the Prince and Elika. You are in this big, scary, oppressive world and the two of you alone have to solve that challenge.

We firmly believe that with the way we're designing Elika's gameplay and the way we're treating her as a character, she's going to make the things you love about the Prince better. His acrobatic abilities - better. His puzzle-solving - better. She brings out the best in him, because her role is to support him and just make him cooler.

In terms of the isolation element, maybe a little of that, you might feel, is lost, because they are going to be talking as they navigate through this world. But in terms of the feeling of it being you against the world, the significance of the challenge that's before you, it's there. It's there in spades.

Eurogamer: Can you give us some examples of how Elika will help you out? How will she help you perform acrobatic moves - will she throw you over a ledge or give you a leg-up, that sort of thing?

'Prince of Persia' Screenshot 3

We like the black edging effect, because we can do it in Photoshop and it makes us feel special.

Ben Mattes: Ben Mattes: Yeah, basically exactly like that. Say you're running, you jump from a wall and you need help. You summon Elika with the 'Help Me Elika' button. The AI makes sure she's close enough behind you all the time so if you need her in order to do an acrobatic move, in she pops. By collaborating, the two of you can reach destinations you might not have been able to reach on your own.

In combat - if you're fighting an enemy, Elika's just on the periphery, kind of dancing around and ready when you need her. If the enemy has thrown up a magical shield to block your sword attack, you'll need to break that shield. Press the Y button and Elika will jump into the middle of the frey and perform a magical attack. She's not way in the background casting lightning bolts - she's literally jumping and flipping and attacking with you.

If you keep pressing Y, she'll keep doing magical attacks. If you switch back to X, the sword button, she's back on the periphery. She's there if you need her, but she'll stay out of the way if you don't want her there. That encapsulates our Elika philosophy.

Eurogamer: Atari's Phil Harrison was recently quoted as saying he reckons Alone in the Dark will be one of the last big budget, single-player adventure games, that gamers want more online functionality and downloadable content now. Do you agree?

Ben Mattes: I read that, and I don't totally agree. I know where he's coming from - I certainly see a lot of the industry moving in the direction of more community, more multiplayer, that sort of stuff.

But in my opinion, there are things you can do in a carefully crafted single-player game - experiences you can create, emotions you can elicit and magnitudes of engaging the player - that you're not going to reproduce in the uncontrolled environment of multiplayer.

For some time yet, there's going to be a market of people who say, 'You know what, pander to me. Suck me into your world and just make me believe. I don't want to be distracted by griefers and high scores, and dealing with the stuff not everybody loves about multiplayer games.' I do think there is still a significant market there.

'Prince of Persia' Screenshot 4

We do this all the time.

Eurogamer: You've said Prince of Persia is out this "holiday", which suggests it's six months away or so. That's not very long in development terms, and UbiDays is your company's big event of the year, so why aren't you showing the game off here?

Ben Mattes: It sounds like a cheesy answer, but because we want to do it this way. It's part of the PR and marketing plan we created back in January. We wanted to start with screenshots so the hardcore can see the artistic direction, then have the teaser trailer - here's the Prince, here's Elika, they fight together, it's cool, that's it.

Then everyone will get to see the game in action in what will hopefully be a real wow, impactful moment at E3.

Prince of Persia is coming to PC, PS3, Xbox 360 and DS at the end of this year.

Comments (26) Latest comment 4 years ago

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  • MBar #1 4 years ago

    Yeah.

    So.

    The black outline on everything?

    Are we cell-shaded now or something?
  • [maven] #2 4 years ago

    I certainly find the style (and by that I'm talking more about the character and enemy design; not the shading) interesting. Consider my curiosity piqued, especially if the bit about acrobatics and exploration is true.
  • MrXBob #3 4 years ago

    @MBar: Yes. It's cel shaded. Get over it, please.
  • sailesh #4 4 years ago

    E3 eh.....

    referring to a Y button eh....

    hmmmmm eh....

  • ccfb #5 4 years ago

    I don't understand the decision to promote the idea of avoiding combat in favour of acrobatics and exploration, only to slap you with a boss fight which (I assume) you have to complete before proceeding.
  • Machetazo #6 4 years ago

    That's great that the focus is pulling more towards exploring, and puzzles. I imagine they intend to make most fights more in the vein of Prince's initial tussle with Shahdee, in Warrior Within - and in that way, expanding on the action, bringing stronger value to each encounter; than the one-two-tap, rinse/repeat often forgettable affairs of the last series. I think their stated approach should work really well, so that when you do encounter enemies, it really is a fight; but at other times, your enemy is more the world around the Prince. :)
    Edited by 2 at 30/05/08 @ 16:16
  • alimokrane #7 4 years ago

    This game is going back to the roots of the original classic prince of persias more than sands of time ever did and this can only be a good thing. SCREW combat, I can play ninja gaiden if i wanted combat, Prince of persia HAS NEVER been about combat.
  • JonFE #8 4 years ago

    There are some bold statements in that interview; I sure hope the final game will back them up. An acrobatics/puzzle PoP is far more interesting than a combat one.
  • ChthonicEcho #9 4 years ago

    "What made the previous Prince of Persia trilogy special? Was it the fact there were Sands of Time powers? I don't think so."

    I do. On the other hand, that's one of the gameplay elements that made the previous trilogy special, so I don't blame them for moving on.
  • Waldo #10 4 years ago

    The fighting was always the weakest part of the series; nice to see they're moving more away from it.

    As far as I'm concerned, if you can't have fighting as good as Severance, don't bother. ;)
  • laur #11 4 years ago

    Shame it's not as linear as Sands of Time. I liked being told exactly where to go - the fun was in working out how to do it and pulling it off, not trying to work out where to go next.
  • PinkSpider #12 4 years ago

    Interesting.

    I could certainly go for a more focussed acrobatics-fest (minus boring rooms of baddies).

    Dont mind bosses though, as long as they feel in place. Baddies should be a challenge, like bosses. Not a horde to mow down :/
  • PinkSpider #13 4 years ago

    Interesting.

    I could certainly go for a more focussed acrobatics-fest (minus boring rooms of baddies).

    Dont mind bosses though, as long as they feel in place. Baddies should be a challenge, like bosses. Not a horde to mow down :/
  • Pasco #14 4 years ago

    The game looks gorgeous but if Ben Mattes is responsible for Two Thrones then I don't trust him. They promised to go back to the roots with that game as well and what we got was a Dark Prince with even more brutal kills, a normal Prince that is still a drug addict asshole, lame dialogues and things like the big statue where you ultra-slowly trial and errored your way through a puzzle where the biggest challange was trying to figure out what is going on and not throwing the joypad away out of frustration.

    The QTE-like thingies were an OK addition though. They didn't break the game, were not especially intrusive, didn't kill you if you got them wrong and they were nice too look at
  • mazk #15 4 years ago

    Sorry to be a big hype-face, but this game sounds amazing. A great hub which turn into linear levels (Zelda), A partner to share the adventure (ICO), and less annoying combat - mainly bosses (Shadow of the Collosuss). Big games to be trying to add yourself to.

    @ Laur. Your totally right. I reckon this sounds linear enough to be challenging though. Dont you hate when you spend a lot of time in games just faffing about trying to start levels and stuff. Burnout Paradise and Assassins Creed fail for this reason.
  • hiddenranbir #16 4 years ago

    I'm glad he still believes in creating single player games, still.

  • Nithron #17 4 years ago

    I'm liking that weird cel shading effect they're going for. Stylization > photorealism in my opinion: We're nowhere near photorealism yet, so if you can't actually manage your goal, you may as well fail in style.

    Also... Has anyone else noticed that the prince of persia now appears to be a white guy? He looked sorta... well, persian in the last games. Like you'd expect.
  • Lateralaus #18 4 years ago

    I love the style of this, its prince of persia too so I'll be buying it.
  • UncleLou #19 4 years ago

    I'm liking that weird cel shading effect they're going for. Stylization > photorealism in my opinion: We're nowhere near photorealism yet, so if you can't actually manage your goal, you may as well fail in style.

    If noone even tries, we'll never get there. Whether it's desirable is another topic, but your argument is flawed.
  • ManicDrunkMonk #20 4 years ago

    Looks good so far. I bet only ten copies sell no matter what its quality is.
  • Nithron #21 4 years ago

    @UncleLou

    You have a point. But at the moment, when we can't actually reach photorealism, i prefer the way games look when they take a stylized approach. As you say, though, we need people working on it to make sure we have the techniques necessary to actually get there.

    Which particular graphics style you prefer is a personal thing, anyway
  • onedeadcop #22 4 years ago

    sounds like assassin's creed with less-repetitive missions. i'm interested, at least, although i didn't bother with two thrones.
  • crickson #23 4 years ago

    Re. the comments attributed to Phil Harrison, I would be very sorry to see the bulk of the games industry turning out MMO-type games. I'm probably in a minority but on-line play, esp. first-person shooters, still leaves me cold. I'd take an immersive single-player experience every time.
  • dustrat #24 4 years ago

    Sounds like it could be fun!
  • RedFoxOne #25 4 years ago

  • magusat999 #26 4 years ago

    It sounds like one of those "lets make it feel like it had multi player elements" games. Sad indeed. There needs to ba a correction here, this may be the last big budget ATARI singleplayer games, Ben Mattes. Unless you work for every company, plus the companies that are going to pick up the slack if there is ever a dry point, you cannot verify a sweeping statement like that. Furthermore, your statement is not echoing the wishes of gamers, but rather the intent of greedy game companies who are more interesting in making cheap games (which online multiplayer games are, btw) and soaking people for as much as they can get out of them.

    Ben Mattes also makes this all encompassing statement about people who come online, as if they all are one breed with one purpose. The person who comes online to download mods for Oblivion, for example, or updates to the scads of PC games out there aren't all there to play - they are there to download content for their game. Is there data that separates the casual online player from the serious ones? How about the people who come on just to get mods and updates, but aren't interested in the online game? Ben Mattes mixes all of these people up in his "conclusion" of the facts, and tries to make it look like there is some kind of mass movement towards online play, when in reality it simply isn't true. All you have to do is count the total numbers of games sold vs. the number of CONSISTENT online players to see the invalidity of Ben Mattes' flawed assertion.

    I take Phil Harrison's statement one step further, and bear it out on many, many forums that I visit. The majority of gamers don't want one or the other - they want both, and they want both to be independent and fully flushed out. Even a multiplaying fanatic has to admit that if his / her internet access is interrupted, or if the server goes down, or if the game just loses popularity that it would be good to at least have the singleplayer mode of their favorite game to fall back on. Singleplayer mode should be included as the staple, as a given, for every game that it can possibly be made for. Sure there are some games that are totally not a good fit for Singleplayer - but those are far and few between. It's simply inane to create a game that everyone knows and expects to be single player - and change it up just because you want to get tyour hands in the pockets (hello Age of Conan).

    I could go on, but suffice it to sy that this isn't over. Singleplayers are like the sleeping giant, we aren't saying much right now - because we don't feel we have to. But keep on poking at us...