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PlayTV Review

PlayStation 3 Review by Tom Bramwell

29 August, 2008

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Sometimes, though, you can't be watching S Club 7 videos in the lounge, and so PlayTV also supports Remote Play via PSP. We usually scorn Remote Play, and the PSP in general if we're honest, but we may be latter-day converts after we synched up over the internet and started watching TMF between meetings.

As with any Remote Play, you just need to switch on your PS3 locally or remotely and have a Wi-Fi access point wherever you are with the PSP. Providing the connection's reasonable you can operate PlayTV as if you were in the same room - watching TV, watching recordings, or scheduling stuff for later. You can do it over a local wireless network too, of course, so if you want to sit in bed and watch Grand Designs, get in there. Signal strength is important, and artefacting can be a problem, but it's at least acceptable in most cases.

What you're not able to do, despite early promises, is export your videos from the PlayTV software and immediately watch them on the PSP. You can move (not copy) videos from the PlayTV library to the XMB, which allows you to watch them without loading the PlayTV software (or even having PlayTV plugged in), and back them up to Memory Stick, but if you copy them onto PSP even the latest firmware doesn't know what to do with it. A source close to the project tells us that with fiddling you can get PSP Video 9 to convert the files to a usable format, but we haven't been able to replicate this just yet.

The big question, though, is how games perform with recording going on in the background - particularly after the setup procedure advises, "This may affect gameplay or the quality of recordings that take place. Recording is not possible during PlayStation 2 format discs." Eek!

'PlayTV' Screenshot 3

The main menu. It changes colour as you rotate, but then who can't these days?

However, our immensely scientific testing procedure couldn't fault it. We played Ridge Racer 7 while PlayTV recorded Deal or No Deal and didn't notice any difference. We played Uncharted: Drake's Fortune and made sure we were doing that graphically gruelling bit with the submarine in the jungle just as Man City started to embarrass themselves against some unpronounceable Danes: not the slightest shudder as the recording started.

As with backwards compatibility and other all-encompassing software solutions, the proof of PlayTV's invisibility will be better known once it's been subjected to the masses, but given that it was held up for ages while Sony tested it with every PS3 game ever, you have to hope our experience with Ridge Racer 7, Uncharted and others was representative.

In fact, it seems as though the PS3 does more to piss off PlayTV than the other way around, judging by the slight crinkles in one of our Relocation, Relocation videos, which seemed to correspond pretty exactly to the points we initiated and exited Remote Play.

There were other minor issues, too, but these are mostly incidental, and potentially patchable if anyone moans enough. Probably the most irritating is the absence of information on what PlayTV's doing when you're not in the PlayTV software itself. Exit to the XMB, go into a game or load a Blu-ray and you'll be notified in the top-right when recordings begin or end, but there's no XMB-level access to schedules.

We also have a few wishlist items for the engineers at Sony Cambridge and Sony London, if anyone's twiddling their thumbs. How about picture-in-picture playback of live TV while gaming? And we could do with an alternative hardware model including a Conditional Access Module (CAM) for people with Setanta cards and similar before we can ditch our rubbish old Freeview boxes.

'PlayTV' Screenshot 4

The library thumbnail view gets old quickly, but you can switch to more traditional views.

That said, we suspect most of the team's time, at least for the moment, will be taken up by trying to get rid of the software crashes we experienced.

While it should be noted that our PlayTV review copy comes with the standard disclaimer that it "may not be representative of the final build", it's clearly finished in most areas (right down to the inclusion of promotional sample videos and compatibility with retail PS3s - rare among unfinished PS3 review builds), and it did crash half a dozen times, usually while trying to watch a channel with poor signal strength. Worst of all, it's a hard lock that necessitates a reboot, busting any ongoing recordings until the power's back on.

And finally, did anyone at Sony notice that the physical PlayTV unit is a bit, well, ugly? It's a light, cheap-looking bit of plastic with a PS logo on it and an LED. And it may only be as big as a sunglasses case, as David Reeves once explained, but no amount of artfully premeditated lifestyle photography can disguise the fact that it has to plug into the front of the PS3, where the USB ports are, and hang around messily on the floor.

It's not as aspirational as an iPhone or Razr, then, but apart from a few glitches PlayTV does its job: you can watch, pause and record live TV, or record things in the background while you do other things. The PS3's ability to wake up when it's needed also means that you can leave the machine on standby and return home later to find it's switched itself on and done the recording without input.

There are slicker, more feature-packed PVR boxes out there, then, but they cost more, and if you don't have one then this is a fair purchase and a good example of delving into the PS3's processing headroom for practical lounge apps.

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PlayTV is due out for PS3 on 19th September for GBP 69.99.

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stevencole7
29/08/08 @ 14:01
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Good Stuff!
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29/08/08 @ 14:05
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So as good as MGS4 then? ;)

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29/08/08 @ 14:08
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How about this for a feature: Picture in Picture support while you're playing a game.
myiagros
29/08/08 @ 14:11
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Glad to hear you can still backup data to an external source, even if you can't watch it elsewhere.

Overall it sounds a little underwhelming though. I'll be waiting untill i've heard more from real world users, before thinking about investing.

It's a nice idea, but who really has a HD telly without built in freeview? so its just for recording freeview, that can only be watched back on the PS3.

Remote-play may be the redeaming feature, especially when abroad. I never could stand missing House or Top Gear while away from home.
Mugwum [staff]
29/08/08 @ 14:12
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"It's a nice idea, but who really has a HD telly without built in freeview? so its just for recording freeview, that can only be watched back on the PS3. "

The problem with Freeview on HD televisions is typically appalling EPGs and the absence of PVR.
spookyzombie
29/08/08 @ 14:13
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Any word on upscaling etc?

Sarah Beeny won't be pleased you spelt her name wrong. Bet she's got a Wii.
Mugwum [staff]
29/08/08 @ 14:14
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Actually, a little bird tells me that if you "back up" recordings to PC, you can get them to work using PSP Video 9, although I haven't been able to test this.
cyacomini
29/08/08 @ 14:15
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Err - does this do anything my Sky+ box doesnt already?

Carlo
29/08/08 @ 14:16
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Can you record the HD channels? Not sure I saw that.

Can you record on one PS3 (say in the living room) and play back on a different one in your household's LAN?
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29/08/08 @ 14:16
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No mention of how it works when your PS3 is switched off in standby?

Does it automatically turn you PS3 on and off at the appropriate times, or will you have to leave your PS3 on all the time, guzzling a rediculous amount of electricity?
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29/08/08 @ 14:16
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I'd buy it if it was a Freeview HD box, but a basic PVR Freeview box is of no use to me with Sky+
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29/08/08 @ 14:16
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"Actually, a little bird tells me that if you "back up" recordings to PC, you can get them to work using PSP Video 9, although I haven't been able to test this."

suddenly my interest has peaked again ;-).
Mugwum [staff]
29/08/08 @ 14:23
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Me: "although I haven't been able to test this".

(Which is to say I'm doing this now.)

"Any word on upscaling etc?"

Nothing in the software yet. Apologies for Beeny error.

"Err - does this do anything my Sky+ box doesnt already?"

Probably a lot faster to operate, but otherwise no.

"Can you record the HD channels? Not sure I saw that."

They say that's coming in a patch.

"Can you record on one PS3 (say in the living room) and play back on a different one in your household's LAN?"

The files can be copied off, but I've not (ever) tried any PS3 to PS3 network sharing.

"Does it automatically turn you PS3 on and off at the appropriate times, or will you have to leave your PS3 on all the time, guzzling a rediculous amount of electricity?"

For Remote Play, it's the same setup, so it can wake from standby if you've got it configured to do that. For scheduled stuff, I didn't actually test that (sorry! Will do this evening and post something here), but it does the opposite, i.e. switching off once recordings are complete.
MasterNameless
29/08/08 @ 14:24
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It sounds great! A little annoyed about needing an analogue aerial though, wa shoping it'd get the signal from the internet in some magical way... with a crappy analogue signal - i.e. any one in London, unless you live next to Crystal Palace or have a decent aerial on your roof - the picture will probably pixelate and drop out lots.

Also, the article says "As with any Remote Play, you just need your PS3 on at home...". You don't need to leave your PS3 on at home for Remote Play at all, as long as you've checked the "Turn PS3 on over the internet"(or something similar) option turned on within the Remote Play settings, you can simply fire up your PS3 remotely, and then turn it off when you want via the START button on the PSP.

You don't to leave your PS3 on too much when your not using it either, it can be quite the power hog! As this article points out.

Nice review though, I would be looking forward to picking this up if I wasn't so concerned about getting a decent enough analogue signal from an aerial. That's a point as well, aren't they turning off all analogue signals soon? What's going to happen then, or am I confused about this siganl malarky? I work in TV, so thought I was fairly clued up, but may have missed something along the way...

Edit - fixed link, and last paragraph!

Edit2 - Mugwum mentioned the turning your PS3 on remotely if it's set up correctly, just above me there, so scratch that comment ^_^

Edit 3 - Damn it, link definately fixed this time!
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kangarootoo
29/08/08 @ 14:25
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"Glad to hear you can still backup data to an external source, even if you can't watch it elsewhere."

Surely the web is full of apps that can convert video formats of all types into each other?

Edit: ah, just saw Mugwum's post.
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Mugwum [staff]
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"Also, the article says "As with any Remote Play, you just need your PS3 on at home...". You don't need to leave your PS3 on at home for Remote Play at all, as long as you've checked the "Turn PS3 on over the internet"(or something similar) option turned on within the Remote Play settings, you can simply fire up your PS3 remotely, and then turn it off when you want via the START button on the PSP."

Sorry, that was badly worded - I didn't mean you need to leave the PS3 on at home, I meant that it needs to be switched on either remotely or locally. Will tweak.
MasterNameless
29/08/08 @ 14:31
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@ Mugwum

Hehe, some of us are easily confused! ^_^
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29/08/08 @ 14:37
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Hmm, it sounds ok, but there are Freeview PVR's on the market that offer more features and larger HDD's for only slightly more money, and guess what? they don't need a PS3 to work ;-p

The playTV box actually sounds rather overpriced for what it is, really, since its basically a freeview box which can use an external storage (in this case, the PS3) to record programmes.

Still, if I didn't have a PVR already, I'd be tempted to pick this up, but I do. So i wont.

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kangarootoo
29/08/08 @ 14:40
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The remote play features are the big sell for me. Without those it would be a much of a muchness between this and any PVR solution. With them, its an awesome bit of kit.
kangarootoo
29/08/08 @ 14:40
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Amazon are listing it for £10 under everywhere else.
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29/08/08 @ 14:41
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Please Mugwum, you must clarify the standby thing. Remote play only pretends to go into standby but consumes a pile of power even though it looks like it is off. For a PVR I think it is vital that if it claims to be off that it actually is and not eating 30-50W or however much it takes for the CPU to be spinning on a timing loop.

I suggest you try this:

1. Set it to record a show
2. Put it in standby
3. Turn it physically off at the back and then back on so it really is in standby
4. Does it wake for the show?

If yes, then try this:

1. Set it to record a show
2. Put it in standby
3. Unplug PlayTV
4. Turn it physically off at the back and then back on
5. Does it wake for show?

The first test will tell you if its really waking from standby or if the CPU is on. The second test will tell you if the PS3 can wake for itself from standby or if the PlayTV is doing it.

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kangarootoo
29/08/08 @ 14:51
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I used to think that switching appliances off instead of leaving them on standby was actually a purposeful thing to do, but I looked into things a little more over the last year or so (as I tend to do) and I've honestly changed my mind.

If you have one extra shower in a month using an electric shower, you use more power than you will have saved by switching your TV off instead of leaving it in standby mode.

I heard a prominent scientist say (I forget who it was, which is really annoying, I shall try and track down his name) that reducing home power usage is a crutch for our peace of mind. Home users aren't really part of the equation when you look at global power usage. Just think how much juice it takes to run all of the streetlights, and trains, and cars, and office buildings, and hospitals, and broadband providers, and banks.

Switching our televisions off instead of leaving them on standby is just beyond unimportant.

Sorry for the rant. I used to really believe in switching off, and I still believe in the reasons behind it. The facts however just don't stand up.
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29/08/08 @ 14:52
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But can you set those to record and watch the recordings remotely? I guess you can watch them if you have something like a slingbox also hooked up but they aren't cheap.
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29/08/08 @ 14:52
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Cool.
kangarootoo
29/08/08 @ 14:52
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Here is a good article, until I can track down that bloody quote.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/200...
johnnybrn
29/08/08 @ 14:55
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kangarootoo,

Switch your TV off might be a moot point on a global scale.

But with rising gas prices and a slowing econcomy, most consumers are becoming much more aware of how to save every extra penny they can
kangarootoo
29/08/08 @ 14:56
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Another article, linking to a chart related to the previous one.

http://www.slashgear.com/standby-myth-de...

I'm going to shut up now, as I'm starting to feel like some kind of rainforest slashing bastard, which I certainly am not.

:)
kangarootoo
29/08/08 @ 14:59
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Saving money is a perfectly valid reason to switch things off. I totally agree there.

I don't want to the give the wrong impression of myself. I'm quite a green person compared to most, but I also like to have facts bear things out. I wish unplugging TVs actually mattered when it comes to green issues, but it doesn't. And to suggest it does might actually be a bad thing because it allows people to think they are making a difference, when in fact they aren't.
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29/08/08 @ 14:59
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This is the first thing on the PS3 that I've actually been interested in. Keep it up Sony!
johnnybrn
29/08/08 @ 15:02
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kangarootoo,

'And to suggest it does might actually be a bad thing because it allows people to think they are making a difference, when in fact they aren't. '

Self-delusion is a wonderful thing
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29/08/08 @ 15:02
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It must be using CPU and IO bandwidth to de-multiplex the video data, and write it to HDD. OK, so it seems like all games written so far leave enough resource free for this to happen. What happens when developers start pushing the PS3 harder? Does every developer have to leave a bit free, just in case the console has PlayTV?
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29/08/08 @ 15:03
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@ Nbz - no, but then I don't go anywhere where I would want to take my PSP, have a wifi connection, and have enough time to watch TV. For those that do, I guess its a great feature, but for me, remote play is just a useless commodity. Nice that its there and all, but I wish I had a reason to use it.
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29/08/08 @ 15:04
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No one mentions if the back-up'd files work on PC or not. If they don't work on PSP, that's no problem really as remote play or PSP Video 9 deals with that. But does it work in PC as it is? what format does it save to? is there any DRM on the files?
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29/08/08 @ 15:08
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Surely you will have to factor in the cost of a bigger hard disk as 40GB isn't big enough even if it didn't have anything on it.
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29/08/08 @ 15:12
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Agree with kangarootoo, switching your TV from standby to off does almost nothing for your electricity usage, same with the PS3. Running a single bath uses the same energy as having your TV on standby for 3 months, to give another example.

But leaving your TV fully on, or your PS3 fully on, does in fact use a lot more wattage which will be noticable on your electricity bills. So the standby issue is a valid point and it's worth getting the facts right.
johnnybrn
29/08/08 @ 15:12
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^^^

I suppose thats why the 80gb PS3 is standard now
rhinoxious
29/08/08 @ 15:19
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"Err - does this do anything my Sky+ box doesnt already? "

Yes - it doesn't come with an expensive contract that's only worth having if you care about football.

Then again you can buy a standalone PVR for about £100 now with a 160GB hard disk, so this does look a tad expensive to me.
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29/08/08 @ 15:20
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I wish they'd do a freesat version, my telly signal is atrocious and satellite is my only option really.
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29/08/08 @ 15:21
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Going to see how Play TV beds in after people use it... and waiting for the HD Freeview standard comes in to see how it handles that. After that, a purchase will be yay or nay'd. I do like the idea of having my PS3 store and handle all. Big fat HDD a natural purchase for this.

My Philips 9632 has a horrific EPG so that would be nice to have, plus the recording bit of this is great. Don't have a PVR, am no way going for Sky+ or Virgin, Freesat loses too many channels at the moment that I'm interested in too.
johnnybrn
29/08/08 @ 15:21
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I think if they could integrate this into the box in a later PS3 that would be awesome

I'm dreaming of a slim PS3 with playTV, dual shocks, LBP, Home and £200 price.

Now that would be system shifter

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29/08/08 @ 15:23
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So all we need now is Dark_Alex or one of his buddies to modify their custom PSP firmware so it'll play back these files from PlayTV... Hopefully that's not too difficult.
dr_faulk
29/08/08 @ 15:27
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I expect firmware / software updates to improve this helluva lot.
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29/08/08 @ 15:28
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"Can you record the HD channels? Not sure I saw that."

They say that's coming in a patch.


Come on Tom.

Ask them some direct questions.
"Is the tuner inside PlayTV capable of receiving DVB-T2 ?"
"Is the tuner inside PlayTV patchable ?"
betahoven
29/08/08 @ 15:28
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By the way, giving this a score out of 10 is pretty ridiculous.
kangarootoo
29/08/08 @ 15:30
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@Chufty

"But leaving your TV fully on, or your PS3 fully on, does in fact use a lot more wattage which will be noticable on your electricity bills. So the standby issue is a valid point and it's worth getting the facts right."

Very good point, and rather more relevant to the article and product than my tangential wanderings :)
kangarootoo
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"By the way, giving this a score out of 10 is pretty ridiculous"

Lol. There is so much irony in such a short sentence.
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Regarding the analogue signal being turned off, that's not until 2012 I think. So I suppose we will be in the next generation of consoles by then. It will no doubt be very annoying for a lot of people when PlayTV becomes absolutely useless at that point though, as lots of people still have PS2's now. In 4 years, I can imagine a huge number of people will still be using their PS3's.

Maybe they'll figure a way around that inevitable problem?
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betahoven
29/08/08 @ 15:33
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Where's the irony?

According to the EG scoring policy, PlayTV... "is [in] that tricky "almost brilliant" category, that for fans of the genre in most cases will still warrant serious recommendation to go out and buy, while even people into other genres will probably still draw plenty of enjoyment from. You should at the very least try and play the demo, borrow it or rent it first, but bear in mind that it's not necessarily going to appeal to every person who plays it.

There may be stand out moments spoiled by badly judged difficulty spikes, or numerous other minor and niggly factors that gang up and chip off another mark. "

Er, yeah...
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29/08/08 @ 15:34
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PlayTV won't be useless when the analogue signal is turned off.
In fact it will be a great thing for it because signal strength and the number of Freeview channels will increase.
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MuppetThumper
29/08/08 @ 15:40
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looks good, if there is a pre xmas bundle i might be tempted

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