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PlayTV Preview

PlayStation 3 Preview by Oli Welsh

4 March, 2008

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Will you want to buy a PlayTV? We can't answer that just yet. Although we recently had a first-hand demonstration of Sony's digital TV tuner add-on for PlayStation 3 - and came away impressed - there are still two enormous and probably yellowy-orange question marks hanging over the device's future. How much will it cost? And - crucially - will you be able to play games while it's using the PS3's hard drive to record TV?

The first question is important because you can now go down the shops (well, navigate to your favourite online retailer) and pick up a Freeview tuner/recorder that will do almost everything the PlayTV allows you to do for as little as GBP 100. It probably won't be very good - and Sony's own 80GB recorder costs GBP 180 - but still, an extremely competitive price point is vital for a device that only works in conjunction with a GBP 300 games console. We were pleased to learn that HMV's GBP 99.99 price tag wasn't necessarily accurate, and we think 100 Euros (GBP 70 or thereabouts) is much more likely. But Sony needs to sell PlayTV as cheaply as it can possibly afford if it's to do its job - which is to help make the PS3 a viable multimedia hub, to compete with Media Centre PCs, AppleTV and the like. Sony won't even confirm a ballpark price for the unit at present; we await that announcement with interest.

'PlayTV' Screenshot 1

What's that? Liverpool 2, Inter Milan 0? (This is what happens when you let Tom do your captions.)

Another argument for a low price is that - physically at least - PlayTV does not invite aspirational gadget lust. It's a small and unassuming thing, about six inches by two inches in footprint, very light, made of dark grey plastic with a matte finish and a curved top like the PS3's. It's inoffensive to look at and the compact size is definitely welcome, but it looks and feels cheap, and the unsightly USB cable that connects it to the front of the PS3 doesn't help. On the plus side, it draws all the power it needs from that cable, freeing up some no doubt much-needed space on the plug board behind the telly. Its only other features are a power LED and a standard RF connector for your TV aerial.

An answer to the second question - can you record TV while playing games? - is vital because, for all its multimedia affectations, the PS3 is still a games machine, and there's every chance PS3 owners will be looking to record TV because they're playing a game. This is also unconfirmed, but the good news is that Sony understands the importance of this very well, has implemented the feature, and is testing it thoroughly.

'PlayTV' Screenshot 2

This doesn't appear to crash every time you toggle mute, which makes it better than our Freeview box.

"It's no secret that we want to do it, but we can't jeopardise gameplay," says Mark Bunting, a producer at Sony's Cambridge Studio, which is working on the software for the PlayTV device. "Every game known to man is under test. At the moment, out of all the testing we've done, we haven't found anything go wrong." It's no exaggeration to say the fate of PlayTV hangs on the outcome of these tests, but as it stands the signs seem very positive.

If PlayTV can clear these hurdles, though, there's nothing to stop it being a roaring success. Based on our demonstration we would recommend all Freeview-using PS3 owners snap one up. PlayTV is fast, HD-ready, with a slick, attractive and highly usable interface and some powerful features. About the only thing it doesn't offer that a Sky Plus box does is the ability to record two channels simultaneously; although it has two receivers, one is dedicated to recording, and the other to live TV.

However, that does mean that you will always be able to watch one channel while you record another, and even pause the live channel or watch previously recorded programmes while a recording is taking place. Setting recordings is simplicity itself - or you can use Select as a one-touch record button - and there's no need to leave your PS3 on for timed recordings. PlayTV will wake it up from standby just before the appropriate time.

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andromeda
04/03/08 @ 13:31
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04/03/08 @ 13:33
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"Will you want to buy a PlayTV?"

In my case no.
rascoj64
04/03/08 @ 13:35
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in my case yes
Huddy
04/03/08 @ 13:37
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Nah, would rather spend the money equivalent on Curly Wurly's. Mmm Chocolate.......
Greebo
04/03/08 @ 13:37
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If I wasn't moving to a non-Freeview part of the country this month, I'd definitely have grabbed one at £70 odd.
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04/03/08 @ 13:37
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In my case possibly in a year when my Sky contract is up, as i still dont watch much thats not on normal terrestrial TV.
Cujo
04/03/08 @ 13:38
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I may have to get a 160gb hd for this!
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04/03/08 @ 13:40
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looking forward to the confusion over the name http://www.playtvuk.com/playtv.php well done sony....
morriss
04/03/08 @ 13:41
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Sounds excellent.
bushwod
04/03/08 @ 13:46
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If I ever leave Virgin I'll probably get a PS3 with playTV to watch Blue-Ray and Telly.

Doubt I'll play any games on it though.
X201
04/03/08 @ 13:46
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@ tesco
It's also the name of a Brazilian TV channel

Big Swiss
04/03/08 @ 13:47
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Really amazing!
i'm all set to go since a few days:-)) just need that satelite.......
I think this will be some of the best, next generation has to offer, I'm very happy how Sony at its PSP/PS3 turnes out to be great.
Don't get me wrong, i can care less if Nintendo and Microsoft have same stuff, that is totally fine with me, for me is just important, that my horse is healthy! The PS3 has a lot to offer, don't miss the chance guys!
neilmw
04/03/08 @ 13:50
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Excellent preview, thanks. I'm looking forward to this and you covered all the points I wanted to know about (standby, remote, HD, twin tuner).
Darren
04/03/08 @ 13:50
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Not too keen on this... the fact that it's another add-on that connects to the front USB port makes it ugly in my book (I refused to buy the 360's HD DVD add-on too). If I wanted something like this, I'd rather buy a standalone recorder to be honest and use my PS3's HDD for game downloads and music only. The trouble with these kinds of add-ons is they're rarely as good as the standalone units anyway because they often have features missing.
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04/03/08 @ 13:52
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The replacement for your ps3 (ps4) would probably come sooner than the replacement for your freeview, which means you can buy the same gadget for your ps4 again pretty soon if you want to keep using the features. which is ofcourse always the case with all-in-one products but is worth considering.
Tweakmonkey
04/03/08 @ 13:56
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You actually have to plug something in? That's a bit clumsy.
moggsy
04/03/08 @ 14:00
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About the only thing it doesn't offer that a Sky Plus box does is the ability to record two channels simultaneously;

Or series links, or chase play, or an 80GB drive as standard, or the ability to record Sky channels, or remote recording via a website or a text message, or an equivalent to Sky Anytime...

The interface does look nice though.
Milk
04/03/08 @ 14:01
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"the unsightly USB cable that connects it to the front of the PS3 doesn't help"

Urgh! I am very interested in this but the USB thing sounds a bit naff. I also don't think I will be keeping the 40gb HDD in my ps3 for long if i get this.

I wonder if they could hit a sub £50 pricepoint? That would make it interesting . . .
moggsy
04/03/08 @ 14:02
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@ Darren

The 360's HD DVD drive rather neatly plugs in the back (the Wi Fi dongle then connects to the HD DVD drive instead of the 360).
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04/03/08 @ 14:06
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I've been holding off on Freeview to get a PC dongle, but if this is in the same general price range (say£40-£70ish), I'd get this, especially when free HD channels start appearing and everyone is buying new Freeview boxes to get them, assuming they want HD of course.
manuel_garcia
04/03/08 @ 14:07
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I'll pick one up for £70 or less, I've been holding off from buying a tuner card for the PC in case this works decently, and apparently it does \o/
Beano
04/03/08 @ 14:07
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Is there anything on TV worth recording?

When there is, please let me know...

/bitterness_off
Psychotext
04/03/08 @ 14:07
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/wants this to take a cable / satellite input

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Big Swiss
04/03/08 @ 14:12
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just imagine, you are somewhere on vacation, remoteplay to your PS3 and watch the six o clock news and Sportshow of your local channel! That would be cool! turn it off and go swimming again.............
kangarootoo
04/03/08 @ 14:15
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"You actually have to plug something in? That's a bit clumsy."

That is sarcasm right? I kind of figured it must be, but I'm not 100%.
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04/03/08 @ 14:17
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Apart from being HD ready, there's nothing here that my Humax 9200T can't do, and one pretty major flaw: 40GB is nowhere near enough storage for a PVR, let alone the fact that it's also got to cope with game saves and downloads. I'd say 160GB is the minimum (that's what my Humax has) and even that is pretty easy to fill once you start series linking lots of things.

Yes, it's possible to upgrade the HDD, but how many ordinary users are going to want to do that?

Offering twin tuners but only having one record is a bit of a let down, but I imagine they can probably fix that with a future firmware update.

All in all, it's a nice idea for people who own a PS3 but don't have a dedicated PVR - as long as they get the price right. I reckon £69.99 tops.
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lambtron
04/03/08 @ 14:19
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""You actually have to plug something in? That's a bit clumsy."

That is sarcasm right? I kind of figured it must be, but I'm not 100%."

I'm guessing not. What with my Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 already taking up way too much space with way too many wires the last thing I want is something else to attach and get in the way. I think he just means he would prefer it came as part of the PS3 rather than a an addon no?
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04/03/08 @ 14:20
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I got the space on my 250 gb hdd in PS3 for this, but isnt most HDTV will already have the ability to watch Freeview?

Mine does and the only thing left is to record the programmes, but heck I got SkyPlus in the lounge. So what the plus points for me?! Watching HD programmes via Freeview? That isnt available as of today, and I understand would have issue as digitial terresitial broadcasting do have limit on the 'broadband' of sending out the HD digitial signals for the limited number of HD enabled Freeview receivers which would limit the ceiling number of the digital channels?

Certainly it can be attractive for those without PVR and do take PS3 closer as a complete jack of all trade but it is still a game machine at the end of day.
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04/03/08 @ 14:20
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@killerbee

how do you do the remite play thing?? Cellphone??

I mean that is the real cool thing about it, everythign else can be done otherwise........
tonynibbles
04/03/08 @ 14:28
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YES.

This is going to stream hot, steaming piss all over my VBox, which will whimper and die under a cloud of SD, heavily MPEG encoded dust.
MuppetThumper
04/03/08 @ 14:30
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i'll get a PS3 when i can get this in with it in a bundle deal.
XRichX
04/03/08 @ 14:38
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F*** i cant wait to pick up a Play TV tuner. Thats the most anticipatet gadget in my book, even though i also want an Iphone, im defently gonna use my hard earned money on the Play TV tuner first. :0)

So PLEASE Sony......get moving and release it on the scandinavien market as soon as you can.

Q: Does anybody know if the UK version of the Play TV device is the same as the one that they are gonne put out in scandinavia...?
(because then i dont have to wait for it to be released in scandinavia, then i just can order it on the net from england)
Psychotext
04/03/08 @ 14:38
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@tonynibbles

You don't really think freeview has a higher picture quality than cable do you?
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04/03/08 @ 14:43
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Reminds me of when I was talking to a Sony rep in an Oxford St Megastore on the day PS3 launched. He kept on trying to sell me a multimedia hub, all I wanted to see (and play !) were the games.

Nintendo seem to be targeting everybody, Sony are chasing us gadget freaks, while Microsoft get busy with the actual games.

This doesn`t get me interested in a PS3, Little Big Planet does. Shut up about multimedia hoohaw Sony, show me the innovation and the must have games.

Go on, make me want one !
Foundry
04/03/08 @ 14:46
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Just download anything you want to watch off the internet. Or buy a dedicated PVR.
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04/03/08 @ 14:52
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so... would I be able to record from cable TV? Or is it purely a replacement for a Freeview box?
Totoriko
04/03/08 @ 14:56
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If it records only Freeview, it's useless
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04/03/08 @ 15:05
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Killerbee:
"40GB is nowhere near enough storage for a PVR, let alone the fact that it's also got to cope with game saves and downloads. I'd say 160GB is the minimum (that's what my Humax has)"

Sure, more space is better, but it totally depends on what formats the PS3 and the Humax store record in.
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X201
04/03/08 @ 15:11
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@Totoriko "If it records only Freeview, it's useless "

for you, maybe.
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04/03/08 @ 15:19
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Nope, Just the A/V, Network & Power sockets
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04/03/08 @ 15:34
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I didn't think I'd be interested but it does sound good and even though I have Sky+ downstairs, I'd like the option to record TV in my room and in HD, which I don't have downstairs. So yes, I'd be very interested to see how the tests turn out. If only there were more decent tv programs on free view, but alas, you can't have it all.
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04/03/08 @ 15:41
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I'm interested in if it's supposed to work for the non-[France,Germany,Italy,Spain,UK] people.
There are a few of us in Europe.
Don't imagin it will, but it would be nice to know.
Come on EuroGamer
wyli
04/03/08 @ 15:44
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Would be nice if the USB cable it will come with has a right angled head on it so it could sit flush.
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@Big Swiss:

Yeah, fair point - I can't remote play (unless I copy my video files from the Humax to my PC via USB link and then burn to DVD or put on a memory stick or whatever), but tbh that's not something I really wish I had on a regular basis, and it's the reason I didn't buy a DVD recorder when I was looking at PVRs. Most of the time I just watch something, then delete it. The real bonus of these things is being able to press "series link" and then (almost) never miss an episode of a show; chase play (start watching a recorded programme whilst it's still recording the end) and the ability to pause/rewind live TV - for when the phone goes in the middle of watching something.

It sounds as though Sony is most of the way there, but as I say - this doesn't seem to me as though it's a direct replacement for a dedicated PVR.
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04/03/08 @ 15:58
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sounds great!

my question is what are microsoft doing about this for their loyal customers?
rmg
04/03/08 @ 16:00
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@ wa_uk

err, Media centre? IPTV? Native xvid playback? M$ are on the ball with the media shizzle.
kangarootoo
04/03/08 @ 16:03
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"If it records only Freeview, it's useless"

/sigh

Dumbass comment.
kangarootoo
04/03/08 @ 16:06
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@lambtron

"I'm guessing not. What with my Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 already taking up way too much space with way too many wires the last thing I want is something else to attach and get in the way."

Well that is why I figured it might not be sarcasm, but how else would anyone imagine you might add TV tuner functionality to a device? I mean its not something you would expect could be patched in the firmware. It just seemed an odd critisism.
kangarootoo
04/03/08 @ 16:07
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"Would be nice if the USB cable it will come with has a right angled head on it so it could sit flush."

+1
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04/03/08 @ 16:10
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I'm interested, but ~£70 seems a little steep to me for what it offers. I'm interested also in the IPTV for 360, probably more so, actually, because Freeview reception around here is appalling. For me (and those in my position), paying an extra £70 to get the same poor signal doesn't seem like a good idea. Mind you, having to use BT for broadband (*shudders*) and subscribing to the Vision service is also unappealing, especially as it would come on top of either a 120GB HDD or 360 Elite purchase.

Looks like my search for watchable, recordable, replayable Freeview at a reasonable price will have to continue for a while longer. Ho hum.

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