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Xbox 360 News by Robert Purchese
Bizarre Creations believes that Project Gotham Racing 4 is the first game in the series that it's really been able to focus on, not having to hurriedly complete it to release with a new console or service.
It was speaking in an exclusive feature with a Polish magazine, in which the developer talked about what this new PGR outing has to offer.
This time around you'll have more options when creating your driver, which will form the basis of a revamped Career Mode. Your opposing drivers will also now be more charismatic, identifiable by their racing styles and "personalities". There'll also be more spectators who will react better to what's going on around them, and might even wave a national flag or two.
In-car-view affectionados will be happy with the promise of a more engaging experience, with more reaction from the driver in question, as well as weather and road effects making your ride more realistic and bumpy.
There'll be garages of new cars to race in, too, like classic 1960s Minis, '63 Corvette Stingrays, and other retro rippers. You'll also be treated to a Shanghai location, plus two more TBC cities and a "Fantasy Track" - on top of all the environments from PGR 3.
But perhaps the most noticeable difference will be the flashy new weather effects. These will now change dynamically during the race and effect your car, puddles icing over or frost collecting on your windshield.
There are new textures and lighting effects, as well as plenty more polygons - on cars, spectators, and drivers. The car handling has also undergone its MOT, and online physics has been tweaked to cut down on dirty rotten cheaters.
Bizarre is promising that all of this will run at a solid 30 frames-per-second in 720p.
Pop over to Xboxic.com's scans of the Polish magazine to see the game in action.
Alternatively head over to our Project Gotham 4 gamepage for more information.
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I remember back in the days of Playstation and N64 for example, i would drool over images like these. Who would have thought that those images are more or less reality.
It seems that Bizarre are taking a different approach to creating a realistic game. Instead of focusing on what makes other racing games realistic i.e. simulation physics, they seem to be taking a more envirionmentally realistic approach in their games. |
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InfiniteFury
25/04/07 @ 11:07
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Oh dear, will have to hit the PGR4 forums at lunchtime to see how the 30fps has gone down. It won't be pretty...
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InfiniteFury
25/04/07 @ 11:12
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To screams of anguish yes....
I think PGR1 may have been 60fps actually but don't quote me. |
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The_Programmer
25/04/07 @ 11:36
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"It was speaking in an exclusive feature with a Polish magazine"
No point. All the Polish live here now. |
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"Bizarre is promising that all of this will run at a solid 30 frames-per-second in 720p." (Sorry but my paranoia gland insists that this was a sly dig/troll at teh 360)
/taking da bait Err, 30fps and 720p is all a bit old-next-gen isn't it? Considering all the 'extra' time they've had to work on this you'd have thought they would have sniffed 60fps and/or 1080p huh? Or is the 360 really that limited???
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"But every PGR game has been 30 fps, haven't they?"
PGR2 and PGR3 were, after they made the decision with 2 to drop the framerate to concentrate on graphics. Howeverboth MSR and PGR were 60FPS apart from a few graphical elements - the reflections in PGR, for example, which didn't refresh every frame (most people probably didn't notice). It's disappointing that they've gone for 30FPS for PGR4...while the graphics VS framerate debate goes interminably on, there's absolutely no argument that 60FPS does very much help a racing game. |
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InfiniteFury
25/04/07 @ 11:51
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If they released PGR2 + shiny + 60 fps I think I'd probably shell out £40 for it.
Sad but true. |
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"You'll also be treated to a Shanghai location, plus two more TBC cities and a "Fantasy Track" - on top of all the environments from PGR 3"
Why don't they ditch the real world modelled tracks entirely? Always thought it was a bit limiting to the sense of fun. Keep the PGR spirit and gameplay but let loose on the track imagination. Fantasy Track....YAY (just not too fantasy) Environments from PGR 3....BOO |
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Penguinzoot
25/04/07 @ 12:04
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IIRC Bizarre has always claimed that they peg the frame rate at 30 fps to allow them to both guarantee (well, as far as is possible given a normal scenario) online multiplayer performance, and that the Live experience matches the user experience for single-player.
Something like that anyway .... |
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Der_tolle_Emil
25/04/07 @ 12:15
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30fps is not that bad actually. It never bothered me in PGR3 at all. I really like the graphics of PGR3 and if PGR4 tops them but runs at 'only' 30 fps I don't care. If the 30 fps are stable then everything's ok for me.
And so far PGR4 sounds like it will be a great game. |
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Seems like most agree PGR2 was a game and PGR3 was an online F50 bore-athon.
Good to see Bizarre acknowledge it at long last. Just hope they put more in to the racing experience both on and off line and less into first corner pile-ups and dodging traffic cones. I mean what the hell is that all about????? |
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markypants
25/04/07 @ 12:51
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Hurry up and release the damn game!
Also i can't say that i ever noticed any negative side affects from 30fps. What is all the fuss about? PGR is still the best online racing franchise available bar none. |
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The Bodybuilder
25/04/07 @ 12:54
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>"Howeverboth MSR and PGR were 60FPS"
Hmmm. I'm pretty sure msr wasn't 60fps. |
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@markypants:
The way I understand the issue, from various experts who just happen to visit games forums is that the shutters in your eyes move at a much higher rate per second than 30. In effect this means that if you are playing a game at 30fps with 720 lines of information passing through your eyes which in turn are oscillating at a much faster fps than the game you end up thinking you look like a lamer. Further, the very thought that you might be a lamer makes the game crap and therefore the GT series is far superior. I'm sure the experts who have spent hours and hours discussing these sort of things can clarify, but thats the general gist of the problem of 30fps in racing games. |
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The Bodybuilder
25/04/07 @ 12:57
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>"I was extremely disappointed with PGR3, and even felt the graphics weren't as good as people made out (it seriously wasn't next-gen, by any degree). "
Fully agree. PGR3 was a dissapointment (I've only gained 2 achievements from it, can't be bothered to finish it) and so were the graphics too. But I am excited of pgr4. |
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The Bodybuilder
25/04/07 @ 13:36
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>"For me, Forza 2 died the moment they said it won't have in-car-view.
As will GT4." I guess once you get cock, you can't go back without, can ya? ;-) |
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Der_tolle_Emil
25/04/07 @ 14:12
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Responsiveness has not necessarily anything to do with the rendered framerate. You can still process inputs 60 times per second or even more but only render 30 frames per second.
Of course 60 fps feels better, every game feels better with 60fps, but I never found PGR3 to be in anyway an inferior game because it runs with 30fps. The game was still fun to play and I actually like emphasis on graphics with PGR3. If I want 60fps but less detail I will happily play Forza 2 which I really look forward to too. Of course they are different games but still. I am definetly no graphics whore and I would buy PGR even if it was looking 'worse' but the fancy graphics made it special for me and I actually expect PGR4 to look stunning. |
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So by standard next gen machines should be able to do 60fps. Some folk are simpletons i'm sure. Throw enough at any computer and it will struggle. Fact is Bizarre think the trade off of wot 30fps affords them elsewhere is worth it and is where their strength lies. Beleive it or not this ps3 and 360 dont have magical processing power made of fairy dust. Or is every ps3 game 60fps?... |
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The Bodybuilder
25/04/07 @ 15:40
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shut up bluebird. Your testimony has been stricken from the records.
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"@bonker
> (Sorry but my paranoia gland insists that this was a sly dig/troll at teh 360) I think it was more a dig at the fact PGR3 isn't rendered at 720p but a lower resolution and the resulting image upscaled to 720p / 1080i for output. It wasn't much below 720p - but still not "proper" 720p. " Ah, k, I didn't know that. I was convinced there was something weird with that statement but I couldn't put my finger on it :) |
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captainrentboy
25/04/07 @ 17:08
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People moaning about this 30fps malarky need to be shot...Dead!Fussy bastards. There was a lot wrong with PGR3, the 30fps issue wasn't one of the problems for me though, it all felt perfectly slick and smooth in motion with no slowdown.
The big problem (which according to the Official 360 mag is being rectified in a big way) was just the way the whole career was laid out, it was bastard boring. And having your choice from all of the supercars almost right at the beginning was a bit silly, I was never really striving to get anything. Rather than all of us moan about the framerate let's moan about those fooking jaggies, now they were almost game destroying!! |
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rincewind128
25/04/07 @ 18:14
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I hope they put some decent slow cars in again, mini races used to be really good in PGR2. I don't see why they took out so many options from PGR3, after a race you couldn't even see your time! How bloody hard would it be to put a simple counter in? seriously I don't know much about coding but when you've spent that long getting everything looking good can't be that hard to put a counter in. PGR3 seemed too cut down, after the triumph of PGR2, hope they put more content in the new one.
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captainrentboy
25/04/07 @ 19:40
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Yellowtruck dissing something on the Xbox???Jesus,what's wrong man?
What the hell is Grand Turismo anyway? If it's Gran Turismo you're on about i'm pretty sure the only game that is trying to challenge that in the Xbox camp is the Forza series. PGR is faaar more arcadey than it is Simulator. |
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hoathenfold
25/04/07 @ 20:25
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I wish someone would put the 'Top Gear' Power lap into a game. (Complete with parked up 747 in the background.
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Rev. Stuart Campbell
25/04/07 @ 22:02
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"good example.. PGR is a lot better looking than ridge racer... so we can see first hand the trade off. I think the world would agree Project Gotham is generally considered to be a lot better game"
Sorry - by "the world" did you mean to say "insufferably tedious dullards who wouldn't know a good videogame if you fired it up their arse with a cannon"? 'Cos obviously, if so that's quite a typo, man. |
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PGR 4 running at 30 fps doesn't bother me at all as the motion-blur and smooth-framerate of the first 360 game more than successfully conveyed a great sense of speed. However, it strikes me as odd that Bizarre Creations have not gone for 60 fps @ "true" 720p for the sequel as they always claimed that they wanted PGR 3 to runs at 60 fps but ran out of development time. That's presumably the reason the game didn't run at 720p as well but upscaled 600p and the only way to see what the game really did look like at 720p was to use the Photo mode. With Forza Motorsport 2 running at 60 fps, I thought PGR 4 running at the same framerate was a given really...
And Metropolis Street Racer on the Dreamcast ran at 30 fps not 60! ;) |
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