PES 2010: Pro Evolution Soccer Review

By Tom Bramwell Published 15 October, 2009

The revolution's coming, but not yet.

Version tested: Xbox 360

For a football game that once lived or died on the pitch, it's surprising to discover that PES 2010's most dramatic changes are to be found in the menus. Or at least it would be surprising, except nowadays we live in a world where dogs and cats play together, the FIFA games are recognised for their football simulation, and Robinho may be surplus to requirements because of Craig Bellamy.

Between them, Team Style, Player Cards, and a change in the way player skills are represented on the line-up screen, sound about as exciting as Wayne Rooney's haircut. But they rip the lid off a lot of PES voodoo. Back in the old days, squeezing the most out of 11 players meant studying endless statistics and being able to decipher skills pentagons at a glance. Withdrawing the pentagons in favour of numbers may seem regressive (and it would be nice to see the former brought back as an optional extra), but it does mean you can spot tactical errors and players out of position in a split second while surveying the whole team.

Player Cards, meanwhile, let you burrow down and uncover a particular player's unique attributes, like pinpoint passing, or poaching, and you can even toggle certain behaviours, expanding your range of tactical options considerably. Team Style, for its part, lets you adjust the team as a whole, most helpfully in how much it keeps its shape and its response to common situations. For people who have played PES forever, it's a useful trio of changes, which makes it easier to perform complex surgery on your team quickly and at very little cost to the game as a whole. For inquisitive newcomers, it's a warm embrace.

'PES 2010: Pro Evolution Soccer' Screenshot 1

The new penalty system comes as a shock. I have no idea what I'm doing with them. Good luck.

It's not the only welcome sign in a game that looked like it might be on its last legs this time last year. The UEFA Champions League is back, but the presentation is much more impressive (slicker than the main game's, actually), and it and the Europa League are now integrated in the Master League, which remains the superior option to FIFA's rival Manager Mode (unless they fix it, anyway). There's also a new "Community" area, where you can keep track of local games between you and your friends, rather than just bouncing off Exhibition mode all the time, although the latter is tempting anyway since it's quicker to start a match, with a much simpler interface.

On the pitch, PES 2010 still feels like it's running on rails rather than flowing freely in any direction, but there are more rails and the degrees of separation are smaller, allowing you to run around and turn with the ball in ways that provide greater versatility, and make it less likely your opponent will simply be able to guess what you're doing. The graphics engine has received a big boost too, with much-improved player likenesses (some, like People's Hero Steven Gerrard, are now more uncanny than Uncanny Valley). Nobody would struggle to spot the common genes by staring at PES 2009 and 2010 side by side, but in many respects the transition is as night to day (although they didn't have to take that quite so literally by saturating the right-hand penalty area in glare during daytime matches).

All the same, PES 2010's improvements are bittersweet in light of the massive distance Konami still has to cover. PES is famous for the scarcity of goal-scoring opportunities, but in 2010 this is frequently becau se of a quirk of the creaking game engine rather than a design flourish: it's relatively awkward to pass the ball around and dribble over short distances (the slow and sideways dribble buttons are no excuse for proper analogue control), changing direction more than a few degrees robs you of too much momentum, and unless you're perfectly set it also takes so long to dig out the average shot that the tracking defender, who may have been behind you for the length of the pitch, will have ample time to get a block in or put you off-balance.

Even so, it's easier to score in other ways. You may not be able to do much on the deck in the penalty area, but long-range efforts and headers from crosses are surprisingly potent, and if you're playing against the AI, you may find that it passes the ball around in its own half with no sense of urgency once you take the lead. That sense of inconsistency is something of a theme: despite improvements in animation, it's a rough and clunky experience in many places, where something as simple as playing a quick pass when receiving the kick-off almost knocks Carlos Tevez on his back, and goalkeepers are achingly slow to distribute the ball. Players also regularly take the long way around to run onto passes, or defenders allow them to do so, stretching your suspension of disbelief to breaking point.

'PES 2010: Pro Evolution Soccer' Screenshot 2

The licence situation is still stacked heavily against PES, despite a solid use of the Champions League. When those nights roll around in Master League, it feels special.

Next to PES 2009, it's still a big improvement all told, but next to FIFA, as it inevitably must be, it's still a poor second choice, losing out in terms of manoeuvrability, player movement and acceleration, simplicity and versatility in control, and - crucially - believability. Yes, you can do some weird things in FIFA 10 if you look them up, but that's nothing next to the baseline obscurantism of PES 2010, which still feels creaky and old-fashioned, despite its myriad improvements, which include more durable online netcode. That's before you get onto the traditional issues PES faces: that it has nowhere near as many licences, and that it's nowhere near as slickly composed or ambitious off the pitch. In the year EA expanded the Be A Pro concept to work across its entire range of modes, PES' Become A Legend feels more isolated than ever.

Long-time Eurogamer readers will know that I've no particular loyalty to either series. I spent years advocating Pro Evolution Soccer because I thought it was better, during which time I kept an eye on FIFA but rarely went near it (with one memorable, 2/10 exception). Last year though, EA Canada made it an easy switch, outgunning Konami in almost every area for the first time. That's not entirely true this year: PES 2010's team management options are a warning sign that the Japanese developer still has some tricks up its sleeve, and people for whom the transition to another football game is simply too much to countenance will buy and enjoy this, and discover it still plays a good, grass-roots game. For everyone else though, up is still down, because FIFA wins again.

7 / 10

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  • Zomoniac #1 2 years ago

    After yesterday's article I was expecting this to be a 9. Pleasantly surprised.

  • Eurolamer #2 2 years ago

    Bullsh*t. So worse than PES 2008 then? Pfff....

  • beastmaster #3 2 years ago

    This is not going on end well.

  • siro #4 2 years ago

    Zomoniac: Me too. I also read a more than positive writeup yesterday, claiming the game would be back on top. Seems the PES train has long gone and is not going to come back any year soon.

  • Physically_Insane #5 2 years ago

    @Zomoniac

    Why are you pleasantly surprised? Did you want it to fail?

  • onezeonx #6 2 years ago

    ohoh!!

    this thread is gonna get abuse now!

  • Zomoniac #7 2 years ago

    As an aside, how do the player skill cards differ from those in FIFA 09 UT that nobody used because they were rubbish, and how does the community mode differ from the lounge mode in FIFA 08/09 that nobody used because it was pointless?

    And... Last year though, EA Canada made it an easy switch, outgunning Konami in almost every area for the first time.

    I've said it before, and I shall say it again... did nobody other than me play FIFA 08? It was really very, very good.

  • djhsecondnature #8 2 years ago

    Compared with this seasons FIFA, PES is truly awful.

  • marcgiu #9 2 years ago

    oh dear - i can feel the PES loyalists rage and arguments (people don't understand the hidden depths etc) building.

    As gorgeous george says "this is going to get messy"

    FIFA has taken the on pitch to another level - I can't PES catching up for a few years yet

  • Zomoniac #10 2 years ago

    Why are you pleasantly surprised? Did you want it to fail?

    Not exactly. But having played the demo extensively and failed to see enough noticeable improvement on the pitch aside from some decent player faces on previous versions, I couldn't understand what all these articles popping up saying it's back on form and the PES next-gen revolution has truly arrived were going on about. Yesterday's article almost felt like a pay-off from Konami, given it was out a day before the review it seemed pointless, surely anything in it that was important could've been said in the review? It felt like sponsored hype-machine type stuff, so had concerned me slightly that the game would be substantially overmarked.

  • minusblindfold #11 2 years ago

    Is it just me or does Messi in the Shopto ad look like something from PES: I am Legend...

  • monkeyspasm #12 2 years ago

    No mention at all from EG of the masses of bugs in FIFA 10?

    This is my only option really as some of the bugs in FIFA are shocking.

  • monkeyspasm #13 2 years ago

    Ah, I see they've posted a news article about the FIFA patch, so they have mentioned it.

  • sebsal #14 2 years ago

    I like both Fifa and Pro evo for different reasons, and will play both. Is that allowed?

  • gaselite #15 2 years ago

    I've said it before, and I shall say it again... did nobody other than me play FIFA 08? It was really very, very good.

    Yeah every time I read Bramwell say that FIFA only overtook PES last year it annoys me, FIFA's been on top since '07. FIFA08 was excellent.

  • Mart #16 2 years ago

    Sounds like it's worth picking up for Master League if the supermarkets do their thang. The one area of gameplay that really grates in FIFA is the AI-controlled players and that's not something that'll be patched.
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 10:20

  • djhsecondnature #17 2 years ago

    @gaselite - Whilst I personally agree that FIFA 08 was better than PES 08, it wasn't a clear winner. Last season was the first season when it was noticeably better than PES, with this season continuing the improvements.

  • marcgiu #18 2 years ago

    are people actually thinking of buying this - what would be the justification??

  • djhsecondnature #19 2 years ago

    @Mart - Yeah the AI in FIFA is frustrating, but it is far worse in PES. Keep ball whilst being a goal down seems to be a common occurrence.

  • Dave797 #20 2 years ago

    Bit disappointed with this review as I was hoping PES would "be back" still Fifa is quite brilliant so it's not as if we're without a great footy game this year. And whilst Konami may be behind Fifa by a year or two now what are the going to do next year when EA raise the bar yet again??

  • beastmaster #21 2 years ago

    Hmm... So all the things that FIFA 'haters' could come up with are in an article saying 'fixed' & then this review comes out? The timing seems rather suspicious no?

    I switched to FIFA from 08. This time around Pro Evo seems much better than last year. But (for me) FIFA plays a much better game. I tend to play it with a bunch of mates around. Best way IMHO.

  • dahsif #22 2 years ago

    Ok, maybe Next-Gen , PES. The demo was a solid 7, so this is no surprise.



    Still waiting for my Amazon-ordered FIFA 10 to arrive!
    The first EA game I buy since FIFA 99 (sorry Dead Space, I should have bought you too)and the first Footy game since 2005.
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 10:25

  • Big-Swiss #23 2 years ago

    so how many - points will I get, if I say this could have gotten a 8?
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 10:26

  • fjharps #24 2 years ago

    I think FIFA 08 was good but really slow to play I think that FIFA started to play better on the UEFA Euro 2008 game thats when i saw the difference and made me want to buy 09 and i'm a big Pro evo fan but i have to admit that PES has not advance since PES 5.

  • TheHammerite #25 2 years ago

    Still has better gameplay imo

  • malteaserhead #26 2 years ago

    "next to FIFA, as it inevitably must be, it's still a poor second choice, losing out in terms of manoeuvrability, player movement and acceleration, simplicity and versatility in control, and - crucially - believability"

    It's the believability thing that pisses me off the most the most about how PES has waned over the years.
    PES *was* the simmier alternative to Fifa - that's what attracted me to it in the first place - and yet it seems content to be pee on its past a little more each year.

    Still on rails, still got the robot players with laser guided passing (in the demo - I know the full game should give more control over passing- as long as it isn't mapped to the rstick). Bargain only purchase for me, shame.
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 10:34

  • Trigga_Tybalt #27 2 years ago

    wow. i was expecting an 8. or even better but this confirmed my worst fears from the demo. glad to see eurogamer is is starting to use some sensible scores after giving 2008 such a high one. are tesco still selling fifa cheap?

  • TruWari3r #28 2 years ago

    Is there multiplayer lag?

    That's all I hated about pes09 360 and on a mates ps3 it was even worse where the were framerate issues in offline play.

    Really don't want to switch to fifa but if it's a lagfest again (patch sorted a lot of things out in 09 though) I will have to switch.

  • Nicolas19 #29 2 years ago

    I was very disappointed with the demo. Awful simulation. Ball goes like a train, so does players. Like they've never seen a thing in movement ever before. Last PES I played was 07 (I think) and it was miles better. Needless to say, Fifa gets my vote (in spite of the fact that it's the same as 09).

  • Zebula77 #30 2 years ago

    Disappointing score, I have to say, tho it's well justified by the review. Doesn't say anything about online, but I suppose it won't be testable till the release date.

    Still, the reviewer says it's better than PES 09 which is all I'm hoping for. Not changing to FIFA this year either lol.

  • THFourteen #31 2 years ago

    haha all you people who -ved my comment yesterday what do you have to say now?

    i told you, basically they havent really fixed anything.

  • Huddy #32 2 years ago

    But an 8.7 from IGN.

  • KevRuss #33 2 years ago

    I`m treating this article with a pinch of salt to be honest. If you read PES FANS (websites) exclusive access which was only put up at midnight last night, they mention some specifics which will endear you to the game, specifically over the demo too.

    This article actually says very little about the gameplay and thats what Pes has always been about.....or was. Now, admittedly, Pes fan site will want the game to deliver, just like myself, I am also aware how good last years fifa was, but I still preffered Pes, just. This year, I think I will still prefer it, just.

    Its worth reading the PESFAN website for there article. I`m a bit dubious about this articles timing? seems very early and perhaps, a bit rushed. How long have they had the code? A good Pes always needs to be learned again.

  • Bealsy #34 2 years ago

    So where's the PES review in this article? All I can see is FIFA bumming. FIFA 10 is good, and I own it and enjoy playing it, but PES plays a totally different game. You can not know a thing about football and play FIFA well, but you need to know your stuff to be good at PES.

  • tiredoldandy #35 2 years ago

    Penalties just take a bit of getting used to is all, I admit the description in game isn't the best, but they're just something to be learned.

    http://ww w.youtube.com/watch?v=SBkGsZZTP3A& Shows how to take them properly.

  • cianchristopher #36 2 years ago

    Ah PES is crap! Even a 7 is a bit generous, I'd give it a 5 (going by the fucking shit demo, I know that's unfair but......)

    I don't see the point of buying this? It's like buying Rock Revolution and leaving Rock Band on the shelf!!!

  • Zomoniac #37 2 years ago

    But an 8.7 from IGN.

    Konami could not bother with a game, just put a scary monster that fucked your sister and killed your dog in a box labelled PES and IGN and Official PS Magazine still wouldn't mark it down.

  • tiredoldandy #38 2 years ago

    Oh, and PESFan have been testing the online with a special demo copy made available to a selection of people from around the world, I've taken part in it too and it's lag free (aside from the button lag found in the demo that's since been fixed).

    Even when other people are on red connections from other countries I had no lag at all, all seems to depend on your internet connection this time round.

    The online demos being opened up to a few more thousand years shortly, but it's all looking great so far.

  • laudy #39 2 years ago

    Master League co-op really is the only way to play PES. If you know about footy and great players (past and present) you can really build some wonderful teams. Okay, so it will only give an approximation of what Bernd Schuster, Pele, Michel Platini etc. would be like in today's game, but it's fun to try and integrate them.

    It is said in this review that the Master league is superior to the EA offering, but how? one sentence is not enough; imo, not enough time has been spent playing it before reviewing it. Having said that, time constraints can scupper many a good game, just look at Dead Space...

    I like PES, although i was heartbroken by the shabby 2008 offering and happy that most of the frightful glitches in gameplay (seriously, after a few games, I never let the keeper launch the ball downfield for fear of a seizure, don't get me started on the replays!) were ironed out for 2009. I can't agree with the assertion that PES was more of a simulation than FIFA, if you went to watch a live game and saw that players could only run in 8 directions (stiffly) you would think you were on the set of a Clive Barker film.

    You pays your money, you take your choice. A game like FIFA earns a 9 with some hefty bugs present, so i shudder to think what will happen to this game once users have had a few weeks with it! I am one of those that will find out because it's on pre-order.

  • GamerG #40 2 years ago

    I was a huge Pro evo fan, but the game is so arcady now when compared to Fifa which is by far the better game.

    I think Konami have not given the franchise adequate funding since the game went multi platform, the warning signs were there with the gimped first game on Xbox 360.

  • laudy #41 2 years ago

    "are people actually thinking of buying this - what would be the justification?? "

    do you form your own opinion, or do you need one handed to you via a review?

  • rotmm #42 2 years ago

    @Huddy, "But an 8.7 from IGN."

    To be fair, that's an IGN UK specific review. And for a little comparison, they gave last years version an 8.5 and PES2008 a stunning 9.2

    They are hardly the most critical of the PES brand. ;)

  • Eighthours #43 2 years ago

    I`m treating this article with a pinch of salt to be honest. If you read PES FANS (websites) exclusive access which was only put up at midnight last night, they mention some specifics which will endear you to the game, specifically over the demo too.

    Sooooo, you're treating the review on EG - an independent, objective website - with a "pinch of salt", while believing an article about PES on a website called "PES FANS"?

    It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife. :)

  • Evolution #44 2 years ago

    Comparing the demos, I can't say I've warmed to FIFA. As it stands, I'd still get PES any day, not out of some blind loyalty but because I enjoy the football more than FIFA. Just a personal taste.

    Still, I'm confused about the point of yesterday's article. Isn't it a bit redundant releasing what was essentially a preview, the day before the review is out?

  • Jay-ITFC #45 2 years ago

    FIFA 9/10. PES 7/10. Exactly what I expected.

  • marcgiu #46 2 years ago

    "Master League co-op really is the only way to play PES. If you know about footy and great players (past and present) you can really build some wonderful teams. Okay, so it will only give an approximation of what Bernd Schuster, Pele, Michel Platini etc. would be like in today's game, but it's fun to try and integrate them. "

    Laudy - this is no fun if the gameplay is flawed. Also my opinion is based in the demo and the review (that's why they are there). I have no issues with people buying the game , I just can't understand why anyone would buy it over FIFA this year.

  • The-Bodybuilder #47 2 years ago

    What's this bollocks about PES playing a "different game"? They both strive to make a realistic game of footie, so its easy to judge between the two.
    And why are comment that aren't positive about PES getting -, whilst somewhat fanboyish comments about EG being biased getting +?

  • Zebula77 #48 2 years ago

    Hmf, read through the article again, and I have to say - this is not a good review. Two short pages and really little to no mention of the Master League and the improvements that have been made in that area. Very little mention of how the 360 degree movement affects gameplay, if it does. I really don't feel like I've got a good idea of how it plays.

    I'm not complaining about the score as the review reads as a seven, but I have to agree with people saying it feels rushed. It really does.

  • rotmm #49 2 years ago

    @marcgiu, "Laudy - this is no fun if the gameplay is flawed. Also my opinion is based in the demo and the review (that's why they are there). I have no issues with people buying the game , I just can't understand why anyone would buy it over FIFA this year."

    Maybe because what different people find "fun" is different for each. Some people feel that FIFA, with its drive toward being a 'footie sim', can be a little dry in play, but really enjoy the more arcade playstyle or PES games.

    Personally, I prefer the more realistic approach of FIFA. However, in the genre of racers, I prefer DIRT games to Gran Turismo.

    Go figure.

  • jambo74 #50 2 years ago

    Big deal - so FIFA is again better this year. Get over it.

    PES died when version 6 was released.
    That lazy 360 release was the exact momment the series died (in my mind)
    Gamers are unforgiving for shoddy releases - had 6 been any good perhaps I would never have tried FIFA in the first place.

    Whats hard to accept about it exactly?
    EA (canada) raised their game and overtook - good for them.

  • Mongoose #51 2 years ago

    Some people just prefer the gameplay of PES. Whether it's more arcade-like (these days) or whatever, don't just assume that because Tom Bramwell says PES isn't as good as FIFA that means no one could possibly prefer it. I like IGN's reviews, I thought PES 2008 was really fun to be fair (though the online was broken). A big stumbling point for me is the player likenesses - I'd rather have unlicensed teams and spot-on likenesses as in PES than FIFA which only has a select group of about 30 players which look anything like realistic. Oh, and I thought the 'glare' in the penalty area was from the roof of Anfield distorting the light onto the pitch. I didn't notice it on the other grounds.

  • WJF #52 2 years ago

    'And why are comment that aren't positive about PES getting -, whilst somewhat fanboyish comments about EG being biased getting +?'

    I like to picture a red-faced sweaty fat kid fuming with rage, clicking the negatives on each post going 'N-OPE!' in a nasally whine.

  • djhsecondnature #53 2 years ago

    @Mongoose - Good point. Reviews are of the reviewers opinions so there will obviously be differences which people need to consider. I thought PES 2010 was shockingly bad in comparison to this seasons FIFA, but others may not. Also, the glare was on most of the stadiums that I played which was very annoying.

  • solidSnake04 #54 2 years ago

    is it really necessary in the review to point out that FIFA wins ? Shouldnt a game be rated on its own merits ? we all kinda know that PES is going bad but that judgement is ultimately left to the player i guess.

  • seasidebaz #55 2 years ago

    @Zebula77:

    I really don't feel like I've got a good idea of how it plays.

    I have. Worse than FIFA10. That's all I need to know.

  • fjharps #56 2 years ago

    Metacritic score up to now is 79 so i think eurogamer's score is quite the average score this game is going to be getting

  • laudy #57 2 years ago

    "I just can't understand why anyone would buy it over FIFA this year."

    Hmm...let me think...personal choice perhaps?

    My opinion is based on the fact that I've played the game for years (and put up with bugs, glitches, the lot) not a demo and the opinion of an independent reviewer, who, i believe, has not spent sufficient time playing it.

    Going back to one of my earlier points, the dead space demo was absolute dross (i didn't actually buy the game because of it), but the complete experience was far, far better.

    No game is perfect, GTA IV's gameplay isn't exactly stellar but this can be overlooked if you're enjoying yourself.

    I don't need to be told why a demo and review are there, how do you know the gameplay is no fun? because Tom Bramwell told you, or because you've played an entire Master League co-op campaign in the demo?

    If the review had said that the Master League equivalent on FIFA was superior it would interest me to see how, but it didn't, so as I said, borrowing your reference to my original note, although this time I'll preface it with: "In my opinion"

    In my opinion "Master League co-op really is the only way to play PES"



  • djhsecondnature #58 2 years ago

    @solidSnake04 When you're competing directly against a similar game, it is worth putting. It's the same for Rock Band and Guitar Hero, SingStar and Lips, they are going after the same market and thus should be compared.

  • djhsecondnature #59 2 years ago

    @EarlBassett - Whilst you may think it's poor, I thought it was good. Length is not important, good reviews should be able to sum up a title in as few words possible. Being clear and concise, rather than rambling for the sake of it.

  • djhsecondnature #60 2 years ago

    @laudy - Whilst your points on opinions are perfectly valid, how can you comment on how much time the reviewer has or hasn't spent on the title?

  • M_of_the_sys #61 2 years ago

    Just like last year, both games are pants. Another year without any football games :(

  • marcgiu #62 2 years ago

    Laudy@

    Ok – well in my opinion I cannot understand why anyone would spend £30+ on a game that a 99% of the review press agree is worse than its nearest competitor. Are you saying that everyone should just take a leap of faith and judge the product for themselves – why even have reviews then. Why don’t we all just waste our money to “see for ourselves”. I am not saying one review will drive me one way or the other but I have not seen any review that says PES is superior to FIFA this year. I am struggling to see why the master league is so attractive on a game that is lacking on the pitch
    With Dead Space – the review were pretty positive and it’s a reasonably original game that leans heavily on its atmosphere.

  • djhsecondnature #63 2 years ago

    @EarlBassett - The review told me everything I needed to know. It's impossible to go into everything about a game in a review. The most obvious and important assets really only what's needed, which I felt it covered.

  • Physically_Insane #64 2 years ago

    The smugness from some of the FIFA fanboys is unbearable.

  • Eighthours #65 2 years ago

    The smugness from some of the FIFA fanboys is unbearable.

    You forget that most of the so-called FIFA fanboys would, in years past, have been described as PES fanboys. FIFA is now simply objectively the better game.

  • miiiguel #66 2 years ago

    That lazy 360 release was the exact momment the series died

    Can't agree with that 2006 iteration was quite nice indeed, even more so if taken in context. While 2008 was broken. The *only* problem was the online? Really? Well, they shouldn't have included online in it, it was completly unplayable and never bothered to fix.
    Edited by 3 at 15/10/09 @ 11:57

  • laudy #67 2 years ago

    @djhsecondnature

    "how can you comment on how much time the reviewer has or hasn't spent on the title? "

    i suppose it's because I'm entitled to an opinion, as are you sir.

    @ marcgiu

    "Are you saying that everyone should just take a leap of faith"

    No I am not. Master League isn't a leap of faith for me (been playin it for years, remember?) and I'm not everyone, at least, i don't think I am ;-)

    "and judge the product for themselves"

    You pays your money, you take your choice.

    "I am struggling to see why the master league is so attractive on a game that is lacking on the pitch"

    I wish you luck with your struggle, I can't help you with that one...

    "With Dead Space – the review were pretty positive and it’s a reasonably original game that leans heavily on its atmosphere."

    Got a 7 on this site, same as PES2010. But then I suppose you could say there are good 7's and bad 7's??
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 11:55

  • djhsecondnature #68 2 years ago

    @laudy Of course you are entitled to your opinion, however what you were doing was accusing the reviewer of spending insufficient time with the game.

  • marcgiu #69 2 years ago

    @laudy

    Decent response mate but you seem to be missing one thing - why is a league option in a game fun if the gameplay is not.

  • thesonglessbird #70 2 years ago

    The review is by a Liverpool fan and is, therefore, null and void.

    Personally, i've always had more fun playing PES than FIFA. And I enjoyed the PES demo, despite it being only 70% complete or whatever. So I shall be buying PES. I don't really trust Eurogamer for reviews anyway.

  • Situacao #71 2 years ago

    PES 2010 = Fifa 08 > Fifa 09, Fifa 10, PES 2008 and PES 2009..

    IMO, between Fifa 10 and PES 2010, it's like this:

    PES wins in tactics, ball physics, Master League, defending, AI and graphics.
    Fifa wins in animations, online modes and licenses.

    6 vs 3.. PES wins for the first time this generation.

  • laudy #72 2 years ago

    "Of course you are entitled to your opinion, however what you were doing was accusing the reviewer of spending insufficient time with the game."

    Because I wanted to know more about this year's master league offering...just seemed rushed in my opinion. Sorry if it seems like I'm accusing anyone of anything...

    @ marcgiu

    because people's idea of fun is inherently different, this forum would be awful if everybody thought the same thing wouldn't it? Not trying to force my opinion on any of you, just "speaking my brain"

    I play footy with a mate and we build teams over and over, using different players from different generations based on what we've seen/read/heard about these players. PES gives us that in a way that FIFA currently cannot.
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 12:10

  • Ant1975 #73 2 years ago

    Doesnt take a genius to see this review is spot on does it?

    Oh for the days of importing Winning Eleven from play-asia, three months in advance of the uk, peeling off the cellophane excitedly and bunging it into the PS2.

    And grinning manically WITHIN 40 seconds of gameplay knowing you were about to experience the creme de la creme.

    *sigh*

  • Ant1975 #74 2 years ago

    @Situacao

    Sorry man utter balls.

    Ball physics? A.i? You did play the demo right? You did play it?

  • zoweewowee #75 2 years ago

    The worst thing is that, while Konami still doesn't come up with the game long-time PES fans are waiting for, FIFA also has many things to improve. And so we're far from having a really great football game this year, as good as FIFA2010 might be.

    FIFA2010 is my first FIFA, after a few weeks of playing, I can really appreciate it and enjoy it a lot, but it's far from perfect. W.E 6 International was perfect in its time, but since, we get good football games, but not perfect.

  • marcgiu #76 2 years ago

    @ Laudy - oh well mate , fill your boots.

  • Zomoniac #77 2 years ago

    PES wins in tactics, ball physics, Master League, defending, AI and graphics.
    Fifa wins in animations, online modes and licenses.

    Say what? FIFA's ball physics are nothing short of phenomenal. Plus it's played with a football, not a medicine ball. Defending?? Is this the same PES defending AI that even on hard difficulties will just back off and back off until you get into the penalty area? FIFA 10's only problem with the defending is that it's made impossibly hard to do so safely because of the ridiculously whistle-happy referees. I'll give you Master League (even the most die-hard FIFA fanboy will concede that Manager Mode is shallow at best and unplayably broken at worst), but the rest is just plain wrong. PES does have great faces, but I actually think that's a bad thing. Having photo-realistic faces on a model that moves like a robot and has terrible facial animations just looks plain weird. PES's faces on FIFA's models and animations would be great, hopefully EA can get that up to scratch.

  • KevRuss #78 2 years ago

    @EarlBasset.

    Ive played fifa 10 and yeh, its a good game but I did not enjoy its feel more than pes 09. Thus why I have pes 10 on pre-order. I cant do much more than that!!!! if its cack (the demo grew on me so I dont see how it will be) I will take it back and probably leave footie this year, Fifa would then be a massive temptation though.

  • steagz #79 2 years ago

    iv allways been a pro evo fan boy and as good as fifa 10 is the players still do not feel like their real life counterparts on pro evo thierry henry feels like thierry henry wayne rooney feels like wayne rooney on fifa every player is just the same thats why i will allways prefer pro evo

  • dsmx #80 2 years ago

    Need to review the PC versions as well the difference there is bigger than night and day.

  • KevRuss #81 2 years ago

    **********Sooooo, you're treating the review on EG - an independent, objective website - with a "pinch of salt", while believing an article about PES on a website called "PES FANS"?************

    Erm, you point out what I pointed out in the first place. READ. I did say pesfan was going to favour the game, did I not. It doesnt stop it from being clear and consice, including online reference. I talk all game reviews carefully, just one chaps thoughts over another.
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 12:36

  • rotmm #82 2 years ago

    @Zomoniac, "Say what? FIFA's ball physics are nothing short of phenomenal. Plus it's played with a football, not a medicine ball."

    That comment confused me tooi. The PES ball physics are modelled on balls from the 1970's ;)

  • blackbriar101 #83 2 years ago

    Im not taking any instantaneous reviews serious.iLL play pes 2010 for a couple of weeks and then make a decision.A positive article about pes 2010 two days ago,after that FIFA 10's bugs revealed and now a 7/10 score.Hit bait.Its a poor lazy review and it reads more like the daily sport than a 7

  • M_of_the_sys #84 2 years ago

    @Zomoniac and rotmm

    From playing the Fifa demo I thought it WAS like playing with a medicine ball. This is a problem I've always had with the Fifa games.

  • Bertie Verified Senior Staff Writer, Eurogamer.net #85 2 years ago

    Im not taking any instantaneous reviews serious.iLL play pes 2010 for a couple of weeks and then make a decision.

    It sounds like you've already made your decision.

  • steagz #86 2 years ago

    Fifa 09 was very overrated in my opinion Fifa 10 is the only 1 that has kept me comeing back for more since fifa 98 on the original playstation .......... i hate the shooting in fifa 10 and whats goin on with the fifa 10 soundtrack a game as big as this should not be full of music that 80% of ppl that play the game have never heard of pro evo is crap compared to what is was in its prime on ps2 but i still prefer to play it over fifa BRING BACK THE CLUB FOOTBALL SERIES

  • Darren #87 2 years ago

    I have FIFA 10 for the Xbox 360 but haven't noticed these bugs I've seen mentioned (I don't play the game online though).

    I've played the PES 2010 demo and really enjoyed it, enough to pre-order it for the PC which is cheap (£20) and more easily moddable (is that the right word?). Personally, I do not see why you have to like only one of the games; I've always bought both versions, FIFA for the licensed leagues and PES for multiplayer (offline).

  • LiamK #88 2 years ago

    "PES 2010 = Fifa 08 > Fifa 09, Fifa 10, PES 2008 and PES 2009..

    IMO, between Fifa 10 and PES 2010, it's like this:

    PES wins in tactics, ball physics, Master League, defending, AI and graphics.
    Fifa wins in animations, online modes and licenses.

    6 vs 3.. PES wins for the first time this generation. "

    IMO, it's more like

    PES wins in menus, nicer faces on the box, sounds like a type of sweet
    FIFA wins in being easier to type, having Dagenham and Redbridge in it, it has that song that goes that way you know it's like wargh bud bah bah, the DVD was a bit shinier.

    So I'm sorry, but I think you'll find that it's 3 vs 4 and that FIFA has won this year.

    Also, FIFA 10 = FIFA 09 + PES2010 - FIFA 08 + Fable 2 ^ Chuckie Egg.

  • flinstone_22 #89 2 years ago

    Eurogamer made they job.

    The money from EA made the diference in this review.

    Its so ugly not to right a fair review and always talking about fifa.

    Nobody as the guts to say that the graphics of fifa are so ugly and the gameplay is so boring.

    BUT as im 23 and i have personality i will buy pes2010

  • blackbriar101 #90 2 years ago

    @Bertie
    PES is a game of depth.In my humble opinion you need to play the game for prolonged periods to gain real satisfaction out of it and get your moneys worth.This is something which PC WII and PS3(untill amazing patch arrives) owners cannot say about FIFA 10.And after a lengthy gameplay period i shall decide whether or not PES is a great game but i won't have to write a review because its not my job and if i did the reviews integrity would be suspect due to my bias just like yours.

  • Shadders #91 2 years ago

    obscurantism

    Vocabulary +1

  • dsmx #92 2 years ago

    So you say this review is for the PC as well but make no mention of how bad fifa 10 looks on the PC or how bad fifa 10 looks on the PSP either in any of the reviews?

  • seasidebaz #93 2 years ago

    This is something which PC WII and PS3(untill amazing patch arrives) owners cannot say about FIFA 10

    Actually, I can say it. FIFA10 has lots of depth. More so than PES. There's no less depth with passing the ball around as Liverpool in FIFA as there is with passing the ball round as Mersey Reds in PES.
    Except that FIFA has more directions you can run in.
    And more skill moves.
    And real player names.
    And more stadia.
    Oh, and the actual football leagues.
    And the Interactive World Cup.
    But apart from that, they're almost the same in terms of depth.

  • seasidebaz #94 2 years ago

    Wow, some people have some serious anger issues. -2 already for saying FIFA is better than Pro Evo, and backing it up with actual reasons?

    I'm stunned.

  • CosmicGypsy #95 2 years ago

    "Next to PES 2009, it's still a big improvement all told, but next to FIFA, as it inevitably must be, it's still a poor second choice, losing out in terms of manoeuvrability, player movement and acceleration, simplicity and versatility in control, and - crucially - believability. Yes, you can do some weird things in FIFA 10 if you look them up, but that's nothing next to the baseline obscurantism of PES 2010, which still feels creaky and old-fashioned, despite its myriad improvements, which include more durable online netcode"

    It looks like the reviewer was so bored with the game he tried to see how many commas he could put in each sentence of the review.

  • LeD #96 2 years ago

    Pro Evolution Sucker more like, amarite lol

  • Evolution #97 2 years ago

    @seasidebaz

    I wouldn't really called the amount of licences depth...

  • LeD #98 2 years ago

    Pro Evo has really turned shite over the years, who would have thought? FIFA is the one for the discerning Football fan.

  • djhsecondnature #99 2 years ago

    @blackbriar101 Why would I spend an age playing PES to then eventually enjoy it when I can enjoy FIFA from the off?

  • djhsecondnature #100 2 years ago

    @flinstone_22 Don't have the guts or don't want to lie? Tough choice.

  • blackbriar101 #101 2 years ago

    @seasidebaz
    My comment about FIFA on various platforms was regarding the fact it's only good(for the time being) on 1 the XBOX360.You repeat my comment about depth yet you rant about licences and skill moves which is shallow and superficial.I can play the Champions league,plus i can play international tournaments without having to buy another game in JUNE.Oh and LIVERPOOL are licenced and Stevie G looks like Stevie G and not Fred West

  • LeD #102 2 years ago

    I just love how the PES fanboys believe that if they repeat to themselves and to whoever cares to listen that PES is the better game, over and over again, with their hands over their ears, it will become true.

    Face it boys, the game you loved which once was the king of Football games is now broken, and has lost its crown for the third year running to a game you once dismissed as arcadey shite.

    "They think it's all over! It is now!"

  • djhsecondnature #103 2 years ago

    @blackbriar101 So you slag off people for ranting on about the licences, the proceed to talk about the Champions League licence and Liverpool? Oh dear.

  • MiniAmin #104 2 years ago

    EG are annoying sometimes (*cough* risen *cough*)

    But recent reviews - ODST, FIFA, Uncharted 2, Forza have all featured deep analysis and after (actually) reading the reviews the score at the end often seems as objective as it could be.

    Hopefully Konami will accelerate their efforts to improve the game. (I'd be happy with just PES5 in HD tbh). But as a long time PES fan who converted to FIFA last year I'm pleased to finally see a reputable website give PES the 7 it deserves. Great job EG.

    Deluded PES fanboys are welcome to neg-away.

  • bunglebonce #105 2 years ago

    Thanks for linking to that Fifa 06 article, Tom. I'll never forget how Sven looked like the G-Man.

    And I hope to never forget this line in the review, describing the players:

    which is the reanimated occupants of a mausoleum caught in the bask of a full moon

  • fjharps #106 2 years ago

    @ LeD

    In my opinion PES has not turned into shite over the years the main problem like i said before is that it has not evolved from its PS2 days and where it once was the best football game around now it looks and plays old compared to FIFA who has really evolved from those days. For me its a shame but I think that Konami needs to recode the whole thing like EA with FIFA 07

  • LeD #107 2 years ago

    @fjharps

    +1

  • flinstone_22 #108 2 years ago

    djhsecondnature

    Dude read the review and see it with your own eyes.

    Every time he talks about something nice he finished with something a lot worse.

    Even with the graphics he doesnt say nothing especial.And if you play the demo of pes and then switch to fifa 2010 you would say" fifa2010 what an ugly game to play".

    But when a website is covered whit EA publicity Shift and fifa 2010 how can that review be fair?

  • flinstone_22 #109 2 years ago

    EarlBassett

    yeah like you are doing right now right?

    You must be so ugly and im saying a lot uglier than rooney :D

  • LeD #110 2 years ago

    "But when a website is covered whit EA publicity Shift and fifa 2010 how can that review be fair?"

    There there matey, it's ok, we understand.

  • blackbriar101 #111 2 years ago

    @djhsecondnature
    IM just pointing out the fact that he was talking fact about Fifa and waffle about PES.I was just reiterating the fact 2 multiformat versions are rubbish and 1 is clearly broken and yet a 9/10.Sorry dude i know their not giving EA the mark but even the most delusional fanboy can see thats nonsense.Anyway if you like FIFA enjoy,but im looking forward to PES 2010 in a big way.

  • djhsecondnature #112 2 years ago

    @flinstone_22 I've played both at length and FIFA is far superior to PES. Your opinion may differ but a large consesus of review all agree that FIFA is just better this year. And do you really think that because they have EA adverts that they will be biased in their favour? They have had Valve ads, Activision ads, Wii exclusive, 360 exclusives, PS3 exclusive skins, so the variety is there to see.

  • M_of_the_sys #113 2 years ago

    But when a website is covered whit EA publicity Shift and fifa 2010 how can that review be fair?

    /looks at Pro Evo 2010 advert at bottom of page.

    o.O

  • laudy #114 2 years ago

    oops, now it's uncharted 2...

    and now it's back to pro evo...damn you shopto!!!
    Edited by 2 at 15/10/09 @ 14:06

  • flinstone_22 #115 2 years ago

    M_of_the_sys

    At the bottom of the page? tanks for give me reason dude ;)

    There are only 3 areas where fifa is better than pes the online(by now) the player movemnts more real and licenses

    Graphics pes is so much beautiful the stadiums the pics the player models.

    The gameplay of pes is more real some people confuse player movements with gameplay.If pes has the player movements of fifa then some would say pes is the simulation.

    And fifa 2010 and tens is such a good game that one a snow game the ball is still white LOOOOOOl

  • jimbo118 #116 2 years ago

    ''For everyone else though, up is still down, because FIFA wins again''

    Very presumptuous comment.
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 14:57

  • Earl_G #117 2 years ago

    @ulov

    Thing about the Master League is, that having only played a few matches, I'm already bored of it in the new PES! It's been the sole reason for my preference of PES over FIFA, but the new scouting nonsense and the different "ratings" per player, per position, have made it right 'mare to know how to gather together a good team!

    tbh, I'm not going to be buying either game as FIFA's MM is so dull and Become a Pro has such a rubbish rating mecanic put me off spending £40 on that, but then I'm just driven to cries of frustration with how PES feels just so wooden!

  • Ant1975 #118 2 years ago

    Someone needs to grill seabass over this.

  • BigF25 #119 2 years ago

    All respect to FIFA 10, It plays great and has some great features but I just like PES more, the feeling of the gameplay is much better imo, in FIFA it feels so scripted. In PES every match is really different and that is where the gameplay shows it's intelligence, the amazing actions and goals you can make with it.. simply awesome. I've played through FIFA 09 for months and FIFA 10 also since it's release now but I haven't seen nor experience the same things in FIFA.

  • rotmm #120 2 years ago

    @flinstone, "The gameplay of pes is more real some people confuse player movements with gameplay.If pes has the player movements of fifa then some would say pes is the simulation."

    You're right of course, if PES was FIFA and FIFA was PES, then PES wouild be the better game.

    My biggest problem with PES nowadays is that the ball sticks to the players feet, just like FIFA did in the bad old days. It's not just about "animation" of players as you seem to think, but that players in PES lack any density or weight and that the ball seems to lack a physics model that isn't tied to the players. PES is just Sensible Soccer with prettier (and 3d ;)) graphics.

    Not that there's anything wrong with that, Sensible Soccer was a fun game.

  • Ant1975 #121 2 years ago

    @Bigf25 Fixed it for you. Sounds sensible now.

    "All respect to PES 10, It plays ok and has some ok features but I just like FIFA more, the feeling of the gameplay is much better imo, in PES it feels so scripted. In FIFA every match is really different and that is where the gameplay shows it's intelligence, the amazing actions and goals you can make with it.. simply awesome. I've played through FIFA 09 for months and FIFA 10 also since it's release now but I haven't seen nor experience the same things in FIFA."
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 14:38

  • dracuanh #122 2 years ago

    Nice review, I have to say bitter truth that FIFA wins again. Konami, you tried hard, but its not enough. The king wont come back this year, I think it will took 2-3 year for Konami to catch up with EA. So sad

  • BigF25 #123 2 years ago

    @Ant1975
    what you have written doesn't make any sense at all, when you look up your name in the dictionary it says RETARD
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 14:45

  • chiz #124 2 years ago

    PES needs at least a few weeks solid play before you can really make your mind up. These reviews sprouting up are by reviewers who have played the game for a few days and judging it on that.

    It's never been a simulation either. It's always been about fun and skill. Something Fifa10 is seriously lacking, compared to the excellent Fifa09.

    I also wish reviewers would make sure they have tried the online modes before reviewing games like this. I bought PES09 on review scores, thinking it would be excellent - and it wasn't. The terrible online lag should have knocked the game review score down a few notches.
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 14:45

  • roz123 #125 2 years ago

    I am a PES fanboy at heart, but they really took a step backwards since moving to the current gen of consoles. Judging by the demo this deserves a 7 at most (keepers are awful, seems so much easier just running down the wings then trying to play decent football and other problems). But after having a few fifa10 sessions with friends we are definatly going to make PES the game of choice this year.

  • kobashi #126 2 years ago

    @flinstone_22

    You are seriously in denial. So did EA pay every single site and magazine to give FIFA 10 a high score and a low score for PES 2010. People like you are the reason why PES is stuck in the PS2 era. You wont accept it has serious shortcomings and needs a new engine ASAP.

    Oh and just to let you know that Famitsu in Japan just scored FIFA 10 36/40. I guess they are on the EA money train also right??

  • laudy #127 2 years ago

    "People like you are the reason why PES is stuck in the PS2 era. You wont accept it has serious shortcomings and needs a new engine ASAP."

    so....nothing to do with the programmers then? if only games were coded on public opinion...

  • Paulie_P #128 2 years ago

    I'm sad to see PES go the way it has.

    Last year was the first FIFA game I had ever bought and it played a solid game of football but personally I didn't get the same feeling scoring a goal in that game as I do in PES. By the end of the year the games started to seem a bit samey.

    What I really missed out on though was that all my friends had bought PES last year. I would rather play them online than some random that switches the game off when they go 3-0 down. So this year I'll be going back to PES.

  • Nephirion #129 2 years ago

    wow pwned

  • Rodchenko #130 2 years ago

    Say what? FIFA's ball physics are nothing short of phenomenal.

    I would agree, if we'd exclude the crosses which tend to spin halfway around the stadium before they touch down.

    I liked the PES demo, despite the stiff animations and the on-rails-passing wich are still in there, both areas which are arguably handled far superior in FIFA 10. Can't quite put my finger on it, though, but despite all these limitations I felt that I could plan and execute my moves better in PES and that my play was less inhibited by scripting routines especially around the goal area (such as 'magically' hitting the post or crossbar three times a match). Headers in PES have actual punch and shots feel powerful and dangerous and consequently scoring feels much more satisfying and less repetitive than in EAs offering (big disclaimer: *in my opinion*). Another reason I will get this is to confuse people like marcgiu even more, who don't seem to have a concept of what personal choice is all about.

    Nonetheless: Seabass and team better get their act together and redo the engine. It clearly has come to the end of its life cycle


  • marcgiu #131 2 years ago

    maybe FIFA should go back to being sh1t to make all the PES fans feel happy. Surely competition will improve the quality of PES in the long run

  • Vedfolner #132 2 years ago

    I will really gladly switch to playing FIFA instead of PES if the game felt like proper football. It doesn't at all. It feels like playing football with a volleyball and the series has had this problem for as long as I can remember.
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 19:17

  • laudy #133 2 years ago

    @ marcgiu

    mate, I don't want FIFA to be sh*t, i think it's a good game...

    I just want PES to be good as well. This review seemed to suggest to me "don't waste your money"...but I will anyway...

    Imo...It felt like reading the blurb on the back of a book is all...

  • dsmx #134 2 years ago

    Can someone explain why in the FIFA review there is no mention of the game breaking bugs and the crappyness of the graphics on the PC and PSP. Yet in the PES review the slightest annoyance is jumped on like it's the end of the world?

    I probably should add that I'm not saying anything against the scores each game got. But when reviewers don't mention things that effect you purchases they are not reviewing the game. As an example on the PC if you want a football game you have to get PES, FIFA just looks that bad that you can't gloss over that with 360 dribbling you couldn't live with it. The psp version looks like fifa 97 with less fluid animations.

    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 17:27

  • laudy #135 2 years ago

    @ dsmx

    because FIFA got 9/10 and PES is only worth 7/10...

    wait, that doesn't make sense...i'm going home now

  • steagz #136 2 years ago

    THEIRS SOME FIFA ZEALOTS THAT WILL ALLWAYS SAY FIFA IS BETTER THAN PRO EVO REGUARDLESS OF HOW GOOD OR BAD EITHER GAME IS I REMEMBER FIFA ZEALOTS TRYIN TO TELL ME THAT FIFA 2005 WAS BETTER THAN PRO EVO 4 FIFA IS NOT AS GOOOD AS PRO EVO IT NEVER HAS BEEN AND IT NEVER WILL BE fifa fans D E A L W I T H I T

  • old_skool #137 2 years ago

    Oh, and when did Steven Gerrard become the people's champion??

    When he picked up boxing in his spare time

    /runs

  • Perfection7 #138 2 years ago

    Hmm...surprising review considering how much I am loving the demo. Meh this wont effect my purchase, I need a football game and fifa just isn't satisfying.

  • openedonce #139 2 years ago

    Two points other posters have picked up on:
    1) I agree with those who question why the review doesn't go into any depth about the Master League, particularly when this has undergone so many changes this year. I realise that not everyone wants an in depth single player challenge, and only picks a footy game to play one off matches online or against a friend. But to me, the Master League has been a major draw for PES regardless of how good this or previous versions stack up against Fifa. Both Eurogamer and Videogamer seemed to have completely overlooked this mode in their reviews. We wouldn't expect them to only discuss the arcade mode of Gran Turismo 5 when they review it next year!?

    2) Some people have mentioned PC issues with FIFA relative to PES on the PC and FIFA on the consoles. I am both a PC and PS3 gamer and I know which system I'd rather buy FIFA for (Console FIFA is in the Premiership, whilst the PC version is Notts County - they keep telling us how good it will be!) Unfortunately until game review sites start reviewing the PC FIFA game as a separate entity (rather than lump it with PS3 and 360), the PC version will get inflated scores. Maybe EA/Peter Moore would then sit up and notice how bad the Metacritic scores would be and do something about it.

  • BartonFink #140 2 years ago

    Oh dear how the mighty have fallen.

  • Beek4257 #141 2 years ago

    @dsmx
    There's probably no mention of the PC and PSP versions in the FIFA 10 review, because those versions weren't reviewed.

    Check the header.
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 20:46

  • seasidebaz #142 2 years ago

    @dsmx:

    If you want a football game on the PC, you buy Football Manager. Want to play FIFA / Pro Evo? Buy a console.

    If you want a football game on the PSP, you buy Football Manager. Want to play FIFA / Pro Evo? Buy a console.

    That's the way it is now and always will be.

  • dsmx #143 2 years ago

    Front page shows ps2, psp, PC, xbox 360 and ps3. People will assume that the review is for all versions.

    I prefer Pro Evo's master league to football manager. I prefer being able to tell my players what to do when I'm one of them rather than sitting back and watching the computer decide if they score or not. I have played football manager and I just found it overwhelming as well. Master league to me has just the right amount of depth to it.
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 21:44

  • forestguy #144 2 years ago

    hmmm...not the review I was expecting or hoping for :-(

    Anyway as much as i've played Pro Evolution since it was ISS Pro on the PS2 back in the day. I've got to concede that for all its bugs FIFA 10 does play a good game of football. This reinforced by my two most respected reviewers Edge Magazine AND Eurogamer giving FIFA 10 each 9/10. They really are good scores expecially from Edge Magazine who seldom give football scores such high scores. Glad I bought my in Tescos for £24:97p ;-)

  • Beek4257 #145 2 years ago

    @dsmx
    "Front page shows ps2, psp, PC, xbox 360 and ps3. People will assume that the review is for all versions."

    At the top of the FIFA 10 review I only see XBOX 360 and PS3 icons, but I'm not really sure what you mean by "front page".
    I obviously didn't assume the review was for all versions, but maybe you did. In which case your point is proven.
    Edited by 1 at 15/10/09 @ 22:17

  • The-Bodybuilder #146 2 years ago

    Shut up, dynamik. Just shut up.

  • Sappy404 #147 2 years ago

    Two very different games, two schools of thought on what people want from a football game. There's absolutely no point in arguing which is "better". You can't be objective - obviously it's all opinion - so there's no point in losing your sh!t over this, especially when PES hasn't even been released. All you can do is comment on the review, which to some people doesn't cover the best and most popular aspects of the game, and to others is simply disappointing as it doesn't state that PES has reclaimed it's title as the better game.

    For the record, I bought Fifa last year and found I didn't play it much. This year's is very similar from what I've seen, so I'm going to rent PES for a week to give it a going over before I decide what to do. Also, I completely agree with the poster who stated that player animations were the biggest distinction between the two games, and the one who said he'd like a HD version of PES 5.
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/09 @ 09:56

  • LiamK #148 2 years ago

    Wanting a HD verson of PES 5 is exactly the sort of thinking that has got PES stuck in the rut it's in. It's not 2005 anymore. One game has tried to progress, and the other hasn't.

    I do also find it amusing that you could swap all the FIFA/PES references in this thread over, move it back to 2003 and it would make perfect sense.

  • Wyrm #149 2 years ago

    I had a 0-0 draw playing FIFA online yesterday and it was without doubt the most exciting videogame football match I have ever had. That's footbally enough for me.

  • Sappy404 #150 2 years ago

    "Wanting a HD verson of PES 5 is exactly the sort of thinking that has got PES stuck in the rut it's in. It's not 2005 anymore. One game has tried to progress, and the other hasn't."

    The point made was that PES 5 is more fun than anything that's been released since. PES or FIFA or otherwise. Of course that's opinion; you can disagree all you want. I'm just agreeing with the poster. Obviousy FIFA has gotten better, but it was benchmarks like PES 5 that FIFA aspired to beat. It's simply my opinion, and that of the original poster, that it hasn't - not in terms of playability anyway.

  • dsmx #151 2 years ago

    Actually this years version is an significant improvement on last years, not that this review actually mentioned the improved master league or even a glancing mention of the improved online system.

  • jambo74 #152 2 years ago

    This is all too little, too late.

  • lmephisto #153 2 years ago

    Well again fifa 10 for me :)

  • fjharps #154 2 years ago

    Got this yesterday and after playing a couple of matches on single player online is still not up all i can say is that its a great game. I'm a long term PES fan and didn't like last years entry. Well my opinion of this version is as a whole its not better than FIFA but I pretty sure lots of PES fans can agree it just gives me something that FIFA does'nt I'm really enjoying it at the moment.

    PS this morning there was already a patch out on the ps3 1.01 no idea up to now whats changed.

  • sajtion #155 2 years ago

    YES SIR FIFA SUCKS AND PES SUCKS. THERE ARE BOTH BOLLOCKS AND NO GOOD FOOTBALL GAME IN THE MARKET

  • frazzl #156 2 years ago

    I guess Tom Bramwell has a different idea of what football is than I do. AI players running into each other, goal keepers that occasionally forget how to pick up a football rolling slowly towards them on the pitch, AI controlled teams (even on World Class) running around the pitch like headless chickens without the slightest regards to formation, and a general lack of responsiveness, to me anyway, don't really constitute "realistic" football. This is basically what I experience everytime I play FIFA '10 solo. Sure playing online is a blast, but there are plenty of bugs (some grievous) that EA haven't fixed (yet) and reviewers have completely ignored. PES '10 is easily the offline football game for me this year.

  • qwerty1234 #157 2 years ago

    This game to me is absolute bollox complete utter crap. it is so unrealistic, i dont even care if they were going for an arcady game because after playing the new fifa first, this game just played like ass, seriously anybody who likes this over fifa is a moron, i know an opinion cant be wrong, but if you are of the opinion that pes is better than fifa...well....then it's wrong and you are a moron, no redeeming features for me about this game at all, oh and Fifa aint that great cos mine has frozen a few times in manager mode, just like the last one did =/

  • reddodger1968 #158 2 years ago

    HI..!!! ALL JUST A QUCK 1 I LOVE PRO EVO BUT ON PES 09 I COULD USE MY PS2 REMOTE CONNECTED TO A USB SLOT WERE AS PES 10 THIS DOES NOT WORK..? DOES ANY 1 PLAY WITH SAME METHOD OR WITH JOY PADS ON PC COS THIS IS REALLY GETTING ON MY NERVES MANY THANKS FOR YOUR TIME... REGARDS..