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Any chance of bringing it out for PS3?

Oooh, PC. Might hold off on episodes on 360. I've been curious of the PC GTAs for a while (even last gen ones) but I always heard bad things of buggy GTAs on PC (even 4).

What do you reckon fellow EGers, worth a look on PC and is 4 as bad as I hear?

Well, it's an agreement with Microsoft that Rockstar signed. So, there shouldn't be a problem bringing it to Windows.

Playstation? I don't think it'll be heading to Playstation. Unless, they could do a Ninja Gaiden II on it. Or a Fallout 3 style GOTY?

@bad09: Get the GTAs on pc, man! That's the best platform for them (up to IV anyway).

You can get 'em on Steam in a pack for about £20 (includes GTA, GTA 2, GTA 3, GTA Vice City & GTA San Andreas)....

GTA IV, well that's a different story. You'd need an absolute beast of a machine to run it well. It's far more demanding than, say, Crysis....

Not bothered whether this comes to PS3. Got bored of GTA4 a long time ago and from what i've seen of the DLC, it ain't gonna change my mind.

Although we (on all platforms) are due a good sandbox game.....

From what I understand, its the CPU that GTA4 really taxes... needs some serious multicore action.

@ cianchristopher

Yeah Steam is what I'm eying up funnily, the £55 pack with all the GTAs, Max Payne, MC and Manhunt as well. :)

My specs run Crysis pretty well (and will get better as soon as I sort out some another 4gb of ram, windows 7, and some SLI action!) so I might give 4 a try. It's a good value pack, beats buying MW2 :)

Cheers for the tip!

Inb4 "GTA4 is shit".

@ Widge

I got a quad core Q8400. Any ideas how that will do?

I am awaiting a GOTY edition of the whole thing, then I can finally buy GTA4

I have gta4 on PC and absolutly loved it, the main benefits were the radio station where you could put your mp3s and the video editor which was absolutly superb. It isnt buggy, its just not as well graphically optimized as some people expected (But it still looks good though).
I hope this extra content does come, but i doubt it will happen for a long time.

AHA!! Lovely news!

Happily I bet! I think someone posted a link to a benchmark article showing performance across a variety of different CPU's in the GTA4 PC forum thread.

It really did start flying up the FPS the beefier your CPU. A quad should romp it though.

LOL the PC haters are marking people down for no reason! Truly sad... :)

Thanks roz123, I forgot they put a video editor in and didn't know about the custom radio. Sold! Now I just need 55 notes...

The painful irony is I was gonna use a £30 credit note for the Episodes disc tomorrow. Does Steam take credit notes? :(

EDIT - Nice one Widge, thanks for the info.

Let's hope it gets available on PC at least.

bad09: What graphics card? I have a Core 2 Duo with a 260 GTX, it plays okay in 1650x1080 but struggles a bit sometimes. It sure looks better than on the 360, but not that much, a little disappointing.

Widge: Good to know, maybe my scheduled CPU upgrade is needed then.

It would be nice too if Rockstar could patch the PC version of GTA IV to support AA as those jaggies really do tarnish the otherwise excellent graphics, even at 1920x1200.

I run a Core 2 Duo E6400 oc'd to 2.6GHz with a Geforce 9800GT and GTA4 runs ok, playable but the visual settings are certainly turned down a bit.

It's definitely the CPU that's the biggest requirement for GTA4 on PC, a Quad Core with any good card (and of course at least 2GB RAM), you should be pretty sweet.

@ Skurmedel

At the moment I have 1 Gigabyte 9800GT 1GB (and 4gb ram - up to 8 when I sort windows 7). They are mid range but quite cheap and one of those serves me quite nicely at the mo so not sure on getting 2 new cards or just bunging another 9800 in when I go SLI though as they are quite old now, still thinking on that one.

Any advice would be welcome actually I'm fairly new at graphics cards!

9800GT and a Q8400 bad09?

Without a doubt that's capable of running GTA4, infact it should look pretty damn purdy too! :)

Infact despite the 9800GT being a relatively old card now it's still a beast and there aren't many games you wouldn't be able to run on that kind of setup, good rig you got there!

Not tried it on my PC but with a Q9550 at 3.6Ghz, 8Gb RAM and a 1GB 4870 Toxic it should be fine.

It does sound more like its the physics slowing the game with slower processors rather than graphics cards not being able to render it all.

Also I do believe rockstar tried to maximise for the future, so basically turning all bars to the top will cause death to most PC's currently but will of course get easy as PC's get better.

Will sell my 360 version and get the PC version if the DLC is coming.

Oh come on Bad09, as if you don't know that the Q8400 is a good processor. If you're going to show off, at least be blatant about it. :p

@ MrMarc

Cheers yeah it's very pretty, especially on the big telly that's mainly why I looked at GTA4! I giggled like a girl with Batman, looks amazing :)

Got the "the bug" though....need....MORE....hardware....and...a nice electric blue...LED fan... :)

@ cragtek
With I7, I5 etc. I'm honestly still learning, I've only built 2 PCs and this one is my first gaming rig. So cut me some slack! :)

Sorry bad, my bad!

You get so many digital willy-wavers banging on about their processors online I naturally defer to cynicism. In your case I shall make an exception :)

Good news. Loved GTA IV to bits (and I wasn't even a big GTA fan, or maybe that's the reason)

The engine could be better, but it was never anything less than "perfectly playable" on my oldish C2D, and patches have improved the performance since. And in all honesty, people who complain too much about the performance on the PC probably haven't seen the console version running.

@insincere_dave

What a small vulgar and obscene little man you are

"Oh come on Bad09, as if you don't know that the Q8400 is a good processor. If you're going to show off, at least be blatant about it. :p "

My Q9550 is better than your Q8400...

... hides before an i7 with a bigger e-peen appears.

On a serious notes I thought the Q8***s had to small a cache for a quad and for what the cost I would have gone for a dual core.

It is true about the PC performance it may not be great, but the consoles do suffer massively aswell.

Darren, I wasn'r aware there was no AA, you tried forcing it?

Widge: CPU that GTA4 really taxes... needs some serious multicore action.

Well on Xbox there's 6-virtual cores and on PS3 two-virtual cores plus SPEs so it's likely the PC version needs at least two cores to run properly.

I've got a quad-core and the game is super-smooth and nowhere near spec of Crysis required, one of my friends has dual-core and he gets the odd slowdown, but I get 60FPS+ in the in-game benchmarks with everything maxed out (including resolution).

I might be wrong here but i heard the reason for the AA problem was because of the dithered light model used by the engine. under DX9 you cant have AA and dithered lightning, the engine needs full DX10 support to do both at the same time but sadly GTAIV doesnt have DX10 support , same issue with bionic commando PC.

Silly issues like this are a hang over from developing them to work on consoles which have no hope at full DX10 style effects.

Sounds like one need a better CPU then, much appreciated info. I think that might help ArmA 2 quite a bit as well, it's a bit taxing on the CPU as well.

Given the PC version uses Games for Windows Live, it's hardly surprising that the PC version would get the DLC, that would be pushed through the Live Marketplace.

I have it on good authority from a Rockstar North employee that a PS3 version of Episodes from Liberty City is currently in the works. Off the record, can't name source, etc.

@IneptPercy - Forced AA doesn't work although I've seen a mod that adds AA in the form of supersampling, which basically renders the game at a higher resolution then downsamples it to give the effect of AA much like ArmA II did prior to proper AA support been added via a later patch. ArmA II uses deferred lighting and supports AA so there's no excuse for GTA IV to not support it.

There is a blur filter which kind of smudges the image to give the effect of AA, I believe the 360 verion also uses this, but seeing as DX10 has been around almost three years now since the release of Vista, again there's no excuse for PC games not supporting AA. The truth is that so many PC games forgo basic things like in-game v-sync and AA options because the engines are ported lock, stock and barrel from the consoles where such things are considered 'luxuries'. Fortunately you can force v-sync for all PC games and AA can be forced for 95% of PC games too. Sadly not GTA IV though. It's a good-looking game but AA would have made it look even better IMO.

I have used super sampling before but get a feeling this may need some serious power as I play at 1080p

Got a 5850 on order so may give it a try.

This makes my day. GTA IV was only the 3rd game I've played that I thought deserved a 10/10. I got it on the PC for $30 and felt it was worth 3 times that. It ran just fine (~35-40 fps) on my E8400+8800GT, for what it's worth.

@Sharzam
FYI, the 360 version has AA (2x I believe: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/grand-...

I feel GT4 was a bit too ambitious for consoles. Getting the whole city routines with citizens going about their daily lives, and with the whole scale of the game I'm surprised they managed to get it too run so well. I wasn't shocked with the unstable frame rate when I started playing The Ballad of Gay Tony but I'm sure my PC will cope much better. Looking forward to the release and to the new machinima we will see as a result.

@Keivz - Well I remain unconvinced that the 360 version has proper AA because it still has a lot of jaggy edges that don't appear to have any AA at all. If it does have AA then it looks selective much like the type used in Gears/Gears 2. But if the 360 really does have AA then why doesn't the PC version support it? The Xbox 360 has a much weaker, comparatively dated graphics chip than a modern PC and uses mostly DX9 with some DX10 extensions so there really is NO excuse for the lack of AA support in the PC version of GTA IV, especially considering its ridiculously high system requirements. Even 2xAA would be nicer than no AA at all as you could then remove the blur filter instead and have a much sharper looking game without serrated edges everywhere!!!

It's a good game but it has been poorly converted to the PC IMO. It runs smooth on my system at 1920x1200 on Very High settings with the Detail Distance at 37 (the maximum my graphics card's 1 GB of RAM will allow) but then so it should: I have a Core i7 920 and GeForce GTX 280 graphics card.

The GTAIV Dlc is much better than the main campaign/story.

TLAD is my favourite, but TBGT was incredibly entertaining too. Perfect lenght too. Didnt outstay its welcome like the Nico Bellic story did imo. I rate it like this. GTAIV story: 7/10 TLAD: 10/10 TBGT: 9/10.

Thanks, R*, I'll buy this! I can play GTA4 on PC without any sad on no DLCs anymore! Thanks so much!

PR people from companies spread lies??

GASP! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT!!!!!!