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News by Robert Purchese

14 August, 2008

Parents are more worried about exposing their children to videogames than to alcohol, violence and pornography.

That's according to recent polls on What They Play - "the parents' guide to videogames", which canvassed 3000 people on what they found most offensive.

"These poll results demonstrate that parents are as apprehensive about their children's media diets as they are about traditional social issues such as alcohol, drugs, violence and sex," said John Davison, leader of What They Play.

Two polls conducted by the site found that violent content was more tolerable than sexual content within games. Bizarrely, the 3000 participants also felt children watching pornography or drinking beer was better than playing certain videogames.

The results of the initial online poll showed that 37 per cent of the participants were most offended by a man and woman having sex, 27 per cent by two men kissing, 25 per cent by a graphically severed head and 9 per cent by multiple use of the F-word, F-word.

The second poll, which asked what parents were most worried about their 17-year-olds doing at sleepovers, revealed that 49 per cent were most apprehensive about marijuana being smoked, 19 per cent of Grand Theft Auto being whipped out, 16 per cent of pornography being watched, and 14 per cent of beer being consumed.

"Although these findings seem surprising at first, they hint at fears parents have about videogames," said Cheryl K Olson, co-author of Grand Theft Childhood. "To some parents, videogames are full of unknowable dangers.

"While researching for Grand Theft Childhood, parents we spoke with in focus groups often bemoaned the fact that they didn't know how to use game controls - and felt unequipped to supervise or limit video gameplay. Of course, parents don't want their children drinking alcohol, but that's a more familiar risk."

Dr Tanya Byron was commissioned by the Prime Minister to look into the effects of violence in videogames on children. One of her largest areas of concern was parental knowledge of the medium, which she asked the games industry and retailers to address.

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DFawkes
14/08/08 @ 11:28
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At least it's not a Daily Mail article, otherwise the list of things better than allowing your kids to play GTA would include:

Being killed
Being assaulted
Being shot
Doing any of the above
Doing any of the above with a swastica badge on
Being Hitler

Also, first.
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Robertfltn
14/08/08 @ 11:28
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So some parents are more frightened of fake violence in GTA than the real thing?

No wonder so many kids are screwed up.
bad09
14/08/08 @ 11:28
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The huge amount of young children playing GTA4 online tells me a lot of parents actually couldn't care less what little Johnny is playing......
Kryon
14/08/08 @ 11:32
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But violent ones are better than sexy ones.

Violent Porn is better than sexy porn? Wut?
Eraser
14/08/08 @ 11:34
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"actually couldn't care less"

You should receive a medal for using that expression correctly. Bless you.
Cappy
14/08/08 @ 11:35
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Hardly a fair representation.

A poll on a site called 'What They Play' would be unlikely to poll anything else as their top concern. It's a single interest website which happens to attract parents concerned about videogames. Surprise surprise, games are their most pressing concern.
BigJonno
14/08/08 @ 11:35
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I think it just shows how many parents are uneducated (at best) or ignorant (at worst) about videogames. It's an issue that needs to be resolved, though I guess it will go away by itself in time, as more people who were raised on videogames become parents themselves.
spammage
14/08/08 @ 11:36
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Kids playing 18 rated games? Kids having sex? Kids drinking alcohol?? Surely not!

I blame the parents, i would certainly take a keen interest in what my children do in their spare time. Lack of understanding is no excuse. 18 rated movies and 18 rated games are aimed squarely at the ADULT market. Mums and dads PLEASE get a clue and stop this sensationist rubbish.

Instead of plonking them down in front of a games console and ignoring them for 8 hours, take them out for christs sake. The fact you ignore them is more damaging than any videogame violence could EVER be.
bitesize
14/08/08 @ 11:40
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parents we spoke with in focus groups often bemoaned the fact that they didn't know how to use game controls - and felt unequipped to supervise or limit video gameplay

wtf?? here's an idea - how about you actually take an interest in your child's well-being, and LEARN to use the parental controls!! surely it don't take much beyond a quick read of a manual. unequipped to supervise gameplay? what more does it take other than sitting down with your child and watching them??
Zomoniac
14/08/08 @ 11:43
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If parents' biggest concern is their kid playing GTA, then why do 95% of UK parents seem quite happy to go to the shop and buy GTA for said underage kid?

What they need to do is make the law for media as it is with tobacco and alcohol; if someone attempts to buy an 18-cert game for a minor they are committing a criminal offence. For reasons I simply cannot understand, parents buying 18-cert games for 10-yos is allowed and encouraged by staff in game shops. I'm inclined to think if a clueless looking mother stands by the till and her 10yo son runs off to the shelf, picks up GTA and gives it to her with a cry of "I want this one" and she attempts to purchase it, it should be a £1,000 fine.

Also what's wrong with porn? Anyone scared at the concept of their children discovering that there's actually a method behind creation is severely paranoid. If it's some kind of weird BDSM or 10-way bukkake then yeah, I can see that. But man-doing-woman? God forbid...

Cunts.

FROGGY!
skuzzbag
14/08/08 @ 11:44
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Does this mean that parents are too busy watching porn to monitor childrens video game playing?
Bloodkult
14/08/08 @ 11:47
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Who the fuck has 'sleepovers' at 17?

I had my own flat by 18!
seffyroff
14/08/08 @ 11:48
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What about Movies? Or Rock Music?
Darren
14/08/08 @ 11:48
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I'm no parent myself but if I was then I'd certainly be more concerned about things that might affect my kids (like drugs and alcohol) rather than videogames. Of course, I would ensure that the games they are playing are suitable for their age group, something I'm sure most parents do NOT do - my own sister wasn't even aware that games HAD ratings yet she was the one who bought them! IMO, parents should take more responsibility instead of passing the blame onto videogames, movies or whatever just 'cos it's easier than them taking the blame. Games and movies are rated for a good reason.
TheTingler
14/08/08 @ 11:49
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While I do agree with that final assertion that parents who are worried need to know more about the games kids are playing, it's the final comment "...which she asked the games industry and retailers to address" that disgusts me. That's called 'passing the buck', sister. You're in charge of a commission dedicated to combating this ignorance - it's your problem.
spammage
14/08/08 @ 11:49
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It is a common misconception that all games are for kids, this ignorant bullshit peddled by the red tops is insulting. Would you allow a child to have access to your dvd collection with Disney movies next to Godfather, Natural Born Killers Pulp Fiction etc? Just because something is violent doesn't mean it should be banned or demonised. Control the content your kids have acces to, rather than look to increase the nannyist mantra peddled by governement and naysayers. It is black and white simple really if you have a clue.
CARL05
14/08/08 @ 11:50
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"...and 14 per cent of beer being consumed."

strange, I remember100 per cent of the beer was consumed :P
Bloodkult
14/08/08 @ 11:53
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They should really include pictures of this 'porn' so I know what to be disgusted at.
spammage
14/08/08 @ 11:57
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Turn the argument on its head.

Would you

a) Know your kids are home safe and sound in front of the TV where you can be a PARENT and ensure they are safe.

b) Leave them to their own devices, probably drinking on street corners with their (PS3 owning) chavvy mates drinking and increasing the chances they will have underage sex and/or get stabbed/shot by some drug crazed videogame psychosis induced nutjob.

Colour me paranoid if you like, but i'm locking my kids up, blindfolded until they reach that magic age of 18 where they are suddenly equipped to understand everything the world throws at them. Call the nurse, it is time for my medication............
number9
14/08/08 @ 12:01
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+1 Spammage.

I don't think one can be called a kid at 17. Sleepovers? Come on!
I know at 17 I used to drink beer, smoke pot and consume loads of porn. I also had a SNES by the way...
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14/08/08 @ 12:05
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I agree with bloodkult..
I'd moved out by 18...
no one does sleepovers at 17 and even if they did would you be worried about what your 17 year old got up to?
Umm NO.
HyperShadow
14/08/08 @ 12:07
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Just had a quick click through that 'What they play' site. To be honest, it looks like a good tool for the uninformed parent. It does break down a game to just what to expect within it rather than any type of review. It also clearly labels popular games and what intended age groups they are for.

Its a shame that stupid headlines like this push parents away from games altogther rather than trying to educate them and push them away from buying an inappropriate game for whatever age their sprog is.
ZuluHero
14/08/08 @ 12:13
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@number9

i blame the SNES!! ;)
Bealsy
14/08/08 @ 12:17
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That'll be it when the Daily Mail get hold of this, I can see the story now:

"Computer games to blame for knife culture, Madeleine disappearance and Jeremy Clarkson"

Daily Express:

"Computer Games Killed Diana"

The Sun:

"Page 3 Babe Yyvonne thinks GTA should be taught in schools"
BigJonno
14/08/08 @ 12:20
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Zomoniac, it is illegal for someone to buy an 18-rated game for a minor. If some kid gave you £40 and asked you to buy GTA, you could end up in serious trouble.

However, you can't stop a parent from buying a game and letting their kid play it at home and I'm glad it's that way. As much as I hate the way a lot of kids are allowed to watch/play whatever they like, I'll fight for my right to be the final arbiter of my son's media consumption.
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14/08/08 @ 12:25
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Before this article i had never heard of this website. Now i ive heard of it i commend what they are trying to do. What i did notice was that the comments posted on some of the games were not supporting the cause, filled with comments about how parents that use this site are psychotic.. goddamn it grow up.

If this industry is going to become as acceptable as films and musis its needs people as responsible as the creators of this site. I commend them, they have an unbiased view and provide generally useful information for parents.

...unlike the idiots posting comments on there
Zomoniac
14/08/08 @ 12:28
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Um, I'm 23, have my own place and still have sleepovers. If you lot think that there's something sad and immature about getting a bunch of mates round and staying up till the early hours with a fridge full of beer, a few spliffs and rigging up the N64 for an all-night rose-tinted (and weed-tinted) GoldenEye fest and eventually falling asleep on the sofa through exhaustion then I pity you. It's a fuckload more fun than trying to navigate a club full of chavs, screaming in ears to be heard and having to watch a lot of pathetic people trying to pull by 'dancing' to Ministry's 675th remix of 9pm Til I Come whilst seeing how many blue WKDs they can drink in 10 minutes, anyway.
Zomoniac
14/08/08 @ 12:30
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Zomoniac, it is illegal for someone to buy an 18-rated game for a minor. If some kid gave you £40 and asked you to buy GTA, you could end up in serious trouble.

Someone needs to tell the stores that then. When my gf started working at Game about three or four years ago, her training (and she was shown a BBFC video saying the same thing) involved being told that if a child attempts to purchase an 18, to tell them they need to have a parent to make the purchase for them.
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14/08/08 @ 12:31
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Two polls conducted by the site found that violent content was more tolerable than sexual content within games.

Ahh that brilliant double standard "I don't mind my kids controlling characters that beat the living crap out of others but how dare they witness a simulation of a perfectly natural act that brings joy to consenting people".

I blame religion/ the right wing press/ Tony Slattery.
Zomoniac
14/08/08 @ 12:34
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Also I think the 37 per cent of people that find sex more offensive than a severed head should be banned from sex, thus hopefully meaning the sad little fucktards die out. Likewise the 27 per cent who find two men kissing offensive. These people should be fucking shot. At the very least, for their own protection and to stop them being 'offended', weld their mouths shut so a member of the same sex can't kiss them, and have their genitals removed completely to prevent them having to indulge in the offensive act of sex.

Cunts.

FROGGY!

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skillian
14/08/08 @ 12:42
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Hmm, well I actually agree. Excessive sex probably is less harmful than excessive violence. Why the article implies that is bizarre, I'm not sure.
SBfistfun
14/08/08 @ 12:43
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No wonder twat kids are over running the place.

spammage
14/08/08 @ 12:53
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Well I find combining sex AND severed heads massively offensive tbh. Shouldn't be allowed.
kelly's_h
14/08/08 @ 12:54
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The kids can do what they like, but most importantly they shouldn't hurt me, secondly others and a distant third... themselfs.
Doctor_What
14/08/08 @ 12:59
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Ban all violence and sex. All it would take would be one generation and the world would be a lot more peaceful.
bengray66
14/08/08 @ 13:03
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So what if they get their kicks having sleep overs, then group masturbation over snuff porn whilst consuming bottle after bottle of tequilla?
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14/08/08 @ 13:05
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I think that you should be more scared of porn than violence.

How do boobies and fannies hurt kids?
spammage
14/08/08 @ 13:06
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"Ban all violence and sex. All it would take would be one generation and the world would be a lot more peaceful. "

Unfortunately if you banned sex there wouldn't be a next generation! Good effort though, I'm right behind you on that one, not literally of course.
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14/08/08 @ 13:11
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Was this survey multiple choice, with scaled ratings of each answer, or did parents just fill in their own blanks? If it was the latter, the survey is mostly pointless.

Anything that just asks you to vote from your own imagination might just ask well ask you to "think about something that scares you, until you get bored of doing so, and then write it down".

If you had asked said parents "what about them getting smoking meth in the park", any parent with an ounce of common sense would have said "Oh yeah, that is worse actually, I just didn't about that".
FooAtari
14/08/08 @ 13:22
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Polled 3000 people that visit the site, not 3000 random people. So it's even more questionable than most surveys. Ars Technica has a better report on it than this.
Fab4
14/08/08 @ 13:26
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Some parents are idiots though.
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14/08/08 @ 13:40
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Well I find combining sex AND severed heads massively offensive tbh. Shouldn't be allowed.

A bit of neck stumpage action? Sounds good to me!
Nithron
14/08/08 @ 13:41
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You ever get the feeling that the people responding to these questions are actually just taking the piss?

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Ban all violence and sex. All it would take would be one generation and the world would be a lot more peaceful.

Sarcasm, right? Because otherwise, that's one hell of a horrendous plan you've got there.
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spammage
14/08/08 @ 13:43
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roffled at "stumpage" Love it!
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14/08/08 @ 13:51
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That's amazing... really truly is frightening how the media has managed to twist and alter people's perceptions of video games so much into thinking it's worse than pornography, violence and alcohol. Incredible. I have no words really.

This is fear culture right there.
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ZuluHero
14/08/08 @ 13:52
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As many others have said I think the actual issue here is ignorance.

If little Jonnie asked his parents for Triple Anal Extreme II for Christmas I’m pretty sure his parents would decline, arguably games are more ambiguous to what their themes and content is. Yes i know the game is called "Grand Theft Auto" but that doesn't allude to all the other things that you can do in that game. I’m also certain that the banding about of the abbreviation (GTA) has helped matters either.

I guess if one thing is to come out of the negative press for this game is that parents should be more aware about it.

Although it baffles me how we can get to the eighth game in a series and still have this problem...
bdc
14/08/08 @ 13:53
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By the way - where is the actual link to these polls? Not found anywhere on the site.
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14/08/08 @ 13:54
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"Sarcasm, right? Because otherwise, that's one hell of a horrendous plan you've got there."

Self extinction does have 'some' merit. If we just stopped having kids and died out, I think pretty much everything else on the entire planet would benefit tremendously (except us obviously).
Nithron
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@kangarootoo: You make a good point. On the other hand, the rest of the animal kingdom aint a particularly peaceful bunch either, are they?
paulf
14/08/08 @ 14:10
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@bigjonno & Zomoniac
afaik there is no specific offence of buying a 18 rated game for a minor, the only offence is for a retailer to sell to an under 18 this differs from alcohol though where there is a specific offence for buying alcohol for a minor

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