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FIFA 08 First Impressions

Wii Xbox First Impressions by Richard Melville

14 June, 2007

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Tim Schirner and Brad Porteous Q&A

Eurogamer: There's been a lot of talk about the Wii hardware and how much people can actually get out of it. Care to comment?

Tim Tschirner: It's about as powerful as the original Xbox. The video hardware unfortunately is not as powerful. There's just a couple of key things that you can do on Xbox like shaders which you just cannot do on the Wii. It's unfortunate in the sense that for a lot of things we can actually use some of the current-gen code, and other solutions that already exist in the building, where people have already come up with, for example, a shader for the pitch; we kind of have to re-implement this now, but can't use shaders and have to find a different way to make it work. Overall though it's pretty much what the original Xbox was.

Eurogamer: But presumably it feels worthwhile overcoming those obstacles for the sake of what the Wii can offer?

Tim Tschirner: Well, other than the rendering aspect it's been very straightforward to write code for. I think from a creative point of view it's been awesome working on this platform because there's obviously stuff we couldn't do before. It's a great creative challenge for designers to take an existing game like FIFA - that's been around for so long and has a very established, quality control system - and now try and reinvent that.

Eurogamer: The counterpoint to that is that it's reinventing the wheel. A lot of criticism of Wii ports has been that they're quite contrived. How do you feel about that?

'FIFA 08' Screenshot 4

Brad Porteous: We've tried to make sure that all the gestures are close to the real thing so they're easy to remember. And adding gestures just for the sake of it obviously doesn't do anyone any good.

Tim Tschirner: We could have gone crazy and just added, like, 25 gestures into this but it just didn't make sense. At the same time though we didn't want this to feel like it's just a port and that we were just throwing in some Wii controls. We found that we had a great opportunity to provide a different spin on playing FIFA, but also introducing a lot of new consumers to FIFA as a series.

Eurogamer: Right. A lot of people do see it as a way of broadening the demographic.

Tim Tschirner: Yeah. I mean, what Nintendo has been doing with the Wii is great; saying they're going after 5-to-85 year-old people; trying to broaden the market and get people to play videogames who have never in the past. That's certainly been true in my own circle of friends. I have friends who usually don't play a lot of games - Guitar Hero aside - but ever since the Wii came out, there's a lot of games they've been playing. They feel they don't have to be afraid of videogames any more. And that's a bit of a philosophy that we wanted to get into this game as well - that people don't have to be afraid of finding the control scheme overwhelming or overly demanding. And then on the flip-side, we wanted to make sure that long-term FIFA players would find everything they love in the game still in place.

'FIFA 08' Screenshot 5

Eurogamer: How do you think EA's done educating players in their Wii games so far?

Tim Tschirner: I think in the games we've shipped so far there's been some good stuff. Madden last year did some stuff that we took our cue from. They've done that really well. American Football, for me, takes a bit of time to get used to, but with the Wii Madden it not only helped me pick up the game but also learn a bit about the sport itself.

Eurogamer: I found Tiger slightly confusing because what it was measuring was slightly different to the stuff it was describing in the tutorial. Are you mindful of that sort of thing?

Tim Tschirner: I think the final judgement is going to be when the game's out, but what we have and how we laid out the football academy it should be okay, and of course with the in-game tips as well - every time you get yourself into a situation it shows you what action you need to perform on-screen, which is something where we're trying to take a page out of Nintendo's book in terms of how they educate players in their games.

Eurogamer: Sorry to go off on a tangent, but can you tell us about online in FIFA Wii?

Tim Tschirner: Sure. There'll be match-up, leaderboards, message board. It's just two players - you can only connect two Wiis online, and then it's one player per Wii.

Eurogamer: That's that then. Er. What would be the standout title for you so far on Wii in terms of the way the controls are implemented?

Tim Tschirner: I enjoyed Super Paper Mario a lot, but not really for the control aspect so much.

'FIFA 08' Screenshot 6

Eurogamer: Bit of a sore point for us, since it's not out in Europe yet.

Tim Tschirner: Yeah I can imagine. I think Wario Ware was pretty cool just in terms of what they did with all the controls - the variety of things. Wii Sports - there's a lot of possibilities in there. It's deep if you want it to be.

Eurogamer: Yeah. Some people criticised it for the lack of depth in control, but in actual fact it worked well for the simplicity of the controls married to the depth of gameplay.

Tim Tschirner: Some of the controls in SSX Blur, I thought were brilliant - the carving stuff. I think actually most of the controls in Madden were really balanced. One of the challenges of course with FIFA is that it's a game that you usually play with your feet, and aside from the throw-in there's almost no real gesture you do with your hands.

Eurogamer: Apart from holding up an imaginary yellow card to the ref.

Tim Tschirner: Yeah. Yeah! That actually would be good [laughs].

FIFA 08 is due out on Wii this autumn. Impressions by Richard Melville. Interview by Tom Bramwell.

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AaronTurner
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Poor Gazza.
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14/06/07 @ 07:08
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Sounds intriguing. Can't wait to see that in action.
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14/06/07 @ 07:22
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wow fifa sounds cool i might buy that
Furbs
14/06/07 @ 07:27
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I'd love it, just love it, if EA turned out to provide some of the best use of the Wii. That would ruffle a few feathers from both Nintendo fanboys and the "EA just do shovelware" crowd.
morriss
14/06/07 @ 07:30
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You are Kevin Keegan aicmfp.
Furbs
14/06/07 @ 07:30
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/resigns
Les
14/06/07 @ 07:31
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Sounds interesting.
Trip SkyWay
14/06/07 @ 07:32
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Shame they didn't stick with the Fifa Sock idea.
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14/06/07 @ 07:33
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The thing that confuses me is that last gen, GC graphics were easily up there with the Xbox. If the Wii is essentially an overcllocked Cube then surely it's graphics can go beyond what the original xbox was capable of.
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14/06/07 @ 07:37
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Hmmm, Tiger Woods works extremely well on the Wii due to the nature of the game and the effectiveness of the Wiimote but I honestly would not want to play FIFA 08 on the system; it's for people who don't own a PS3 or a Xbox 360 I think. Me, I'll be buying it for one of the more powerful systems simply because I believe a football game just doesn't need the Wii's control system at all but works perfectly well with a controller that has more buttons for things like tricks and stuff. While I respect EA for at least trying with the Wii, I can't imagine for one second that it'll better the PS3 or 360 version when it comes down to the gameplay. That said, the Xbox version of FIFA 07 was better than the 360 version but it used conventional controls.

Still I'm sure there will be some Wii-only owners who will want to play FIFA 08 so at least they will get that chance.
Les
14/06/07 @ 07:43
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"If the Wii is essentially an overcllocked Cube then surely it's graphics can go beyond what the original xbox was capable of."

Might be that developers realise that people that have a Wii are not that obsessed with graphics and put less effort in getting the most out of the machine pixel-wise. Super Mario Galaxy looks amazing but as far as I know, no other Wii game comes close to matching its graphics.
JetSetWilly
14/06/07 @ 07:48
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Kick Off 2 and Sensible Soccer were the last football games I enjoyed :(
aldo_14
14/06/07 @ 07:52
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The thing that confuses me is that last gen, GC graphics were easily up there with the Xbox. If the Wii is essentially an overcllocked Cube then surely it's graphics can go beyond what the original xbox was capable of.

In hardware terms, it wasn't (the GC) as high spec as the Xbox. I remember doing an analysis of the 3 consoles (sort of) for a uni project about the time they were released.
Rev. Stuart Campbell
14/06/07 @ 07:53
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Gngh. Things don't "become" intuitive. They either are or they aren't. "Intuitive" means you instinctively understand it straight away without having to be taught. Anything that is initially difficult but can be learned is the *exact fucking opposite* of intuitive. Man, I hate it when writers use words they don't understand the meaning of.
malteaserhead
14/06/07 @ 07:56
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"It's probably best to close the curtains, thinking about it."

heh.
I resort to this all the time on the wii
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14/06/07 @ 08:06
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Why oh why do people still talk about how powerful the graphics are on this machine? Did the graphics effect the fun of mario striker or wii sports? I can't wait for this game - the first original football game in god only knows how long!!!!!!!! Really hope they make it work.....
kincaide
14/06/07 @ 08:24
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Colour me suprised - this sounds .... good
Les
14/06/07 @ 08:37
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“Anything that is initially difficult but can be learned is the *exact fucking opposite* of intuitive. Man, I hate it when writers use words they don't understand the meaning of.”

Depends on where you come from. If you’ve become accustomed to the ‘traditional’ video game controls it might be hard to adapt to new controls, even though they might be more ‘intuitive’. Proof in the pudding would be to have someone without any video game experience try out the two different control methods and see which he masters first.
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dirigiblebill
14/06/07 @ 08:43
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Brad Porteous, eh?

/wallows in his own crapulence
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14/06/07 @ 08:45
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I like to play PES. But I've always been thinking that the "TV camera" point of view is not the most efficient way to play a footy game. You can't clearly see where are your team mates on the screen that way. I'd gladly give a try to this one, and possibly buy a Wii system, as it appears that more and more game will smartly use the Wii controller in the future.

Thanks EA for showing the way !
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14/06/07 @ 08:45
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Most impressive is the throw-ins which ask you to put your hands up in the air and physically throw the ball towards a team member.

This is the trouble with Wii for me - I just don't have a living room big enough to be able to do this without knocking lights or moving furniture around.

Ironic that the Wii is the cheapest of the lot, but it'd cost me hundreds of thousands of pounds for a house big enough to play it in :P
oerhört
14/06/07 @ 08:53
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Things don't "become" intuitive.

Agreed.
SBfistfun
14/06/07 @ 09:31
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"Brad Porteous, eh?

/wallows in his own crapulence"

ROFL
Amajiro
14/06/07 @ 10:16
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Sometimes I feel it's only me that thinks that the Wii is the epitome of the emperor's new clothes.

One of the challenges of course with FIFA is that it's a game that you usually play with your feet

Seriously NO SHIT? That's a statement that makes the rest of the interview completely redundant. So it's going to be yet another case of shoe-horning the gimmicky controller onto a game? Colour me amazed.
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14/06/07 @ 10:16
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@richardiox & Les

No its just that the origina was way more powerfull than the Cude in graphics.... I guess you didnt know that but yeah it was. And in case you take my post the wrong way and start assuming things just ask someone you think that knows for sure... I just made this comment to let you know about it. But yeah the xbox was times and times better than the Cube in what it could handle in graphics.

So they are just stating the things the way it they are. Its similar to the original xbox so it means it doesnt look any good. About it's game play I don't care since I rather get tired at my legs playing actual football myself than work out my hands playing it... It would make more sence if it was basketball or something. I still believe that it's so tiring to play with the Wiimote :S. Rather than that Nintendo rocks. I wish they did something more than just that though. Id love to have a reason to own a new console made by them. But not Wii. I wouldn't spend so much money for a new pc if I could have a different opinion on that too. It's the same thing.
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14/06/07 @ 10:22
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Dunno I would rather have the old sensible soccer with wii controls.
Rev. Stuart Campbell
14/06/07 @ 10:32
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"Depends on where you come from. If you’ve become accustomed to the ‘traditional’ video game controls it might be hard to adapt to new controls, even though they might be more ‘intuitive’. Proof in the pudding would be to have someone without any video game experience try out the two different control methods and see which he masters first."

Well, no. Things still can't *become* intuitive. A control system might indeed be intuitive for one person and not so for another, depending on their nature and what they're used to. But it can't *become* intuitive. For each individual, it still either is or it isn't.
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14/06/07 @ 11:05
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RE: Intuivity (is that even a word?)

You see, this is what I don't get. If you can't 'get' the controls in this game straight off, and it takes a while to get the hang of it all (as is the case with almost every game, to be fair), then what exactly is the big difference between this and, say, SWOS on Live Arcade? After all, with the latter, you or I or a 'n00b' wouldn't 'get' the controls straight off the bat, but they're hardly rocket science and/or difficult, and you'd be having your jollies within a few minutes of getting your bearings.

Meh, I'll be keeping an eye on this, but I think SWOS on Live Arcade will be more than enough to satisy my 'simple footie' desires in-between the major league Pro Evo/Fifa 360 (whichever one is better this year) sessions.
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14/06/07 @ 11:10
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"GC graphics were easily up there with the Xbox"

Rubbish. The original Xbox could use massive textures compared to the GC and had all the tricks that shaders can add to the equation to produce stuff like Ninja Gaiden which was light years graphically over what a GC could do and is still streets ahead of a Wii. The only trick the GC had was displacement mapping which enabled low poly models to look much higher detail.
Yes the Wii processor is about as powerful as the original Xbox p3, but graphically it's still an uphill struggle.

At least both were miles better graphically than the PS2 though ;)
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14/06/07 @ 11:11
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Well, no. Things still can't *become* intuitive. A control system might indeed be intuitive for one person and not so for another, depending on their nature and what they're used to. But it can't *become* intuitive. For each individual, it still either is or it isn't.

Perhaps aspects can (be considered as to) become intuitive with foreknowledge of different, simpler, aspects?
jimbob101
14/06/07 @ 11:36
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"The nunchuk is where all the player movement happens, with the Z button used to sprint"

It's an analogue stick, you didn't need a button for sprint! When will football games learn!
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14/06/07 @ 12:01
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oh God. This sounds simply horrible. Surely there is a point where you just think. We'll if I am gonna kick my legs and flap my arms about I may as well go down the park and play real football?
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14/06/07 @ 12:41
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oh God. This sounds simply horrible. Surely there is a point where you just think. We'll if I am gonna kick my legs and flap my arms about I may as well go down the park and play real football?

what if it's raining outside?
jonsaan
14/06/07 @ 12:46
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Football, not cricket. :)
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14/06/07 @ 13:13
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What I read about this whole Wii = XBox thing (I think it was by N'gai Croal) was that the Wii's shader capabilities are fixed-function, ie. some pixel, some vertex, whereas "next-gen" machines have multi-function shaders that can be used for anything, so now that all the developers have all their engines running with multi-function shaders, it's a big hassle to re-implement the code for fixed-function shaders.

But this guy seems to be saying the Wii has no shader functionality at all? Yet more mixed messages.
GrandpaUlrira
14/06/07 @ 13:20
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Better than Sensible Soccer? But wasn't that a 9? :P
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14/06/07 @ 13:37
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What I read about this whole Wii = XBox thing (I think it was by N'gai Croal) was that the Wii's shader capabilities are fixed-function, ie. some pixel, some vertex, whereas "next-gen" machines have multi-function shaders that can be used for anything, so now that all the developers have all their engines running with multi-function shaders, it's a big hassle to re-implement the code for fixed-function shaders.

But this guy seems to be saying the Wii has no shader functionality at all? Yet more mixed messages.


I think 'shaders' probably just means programmable shaders, which the original Xbox apparently has/had.
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14/06/07 @ 14:51
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From dictionary.com

See 4.

in·tu·i·tive /ɪnˈtuɪtɪv, -ˈtyu-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-too-i-tiv, -tyoo-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. perceiving by intuition, as a person or the mind.
2. perceived by, resulting from, or involving intuition: intuitive knowledge.
3. having or possessing intuition: an intuitive person.
4. capable of being perceived or known by intuition.

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intuition

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1. instinctive knowing (without the use of rational processes)

If you don't have to think about doing something (i.e. make conscious rational thoughts to do it) then it is intuitive. Whether or not it started out that way. Like walking. Or not wetting the bed.

It's like words can have multiple meanings and contexts.

Nikanoru
14/06/07 @ 15:08
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Ninja Gaiden which was light years graphically over what a GC could do

Bullshit. For all its shinyness, that game still doesn't look as good as RE4. It just doesn't. It's all about the art direction baby.
Les
14/06/07 @ 15:21
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@ Rev. Stuart Campbell

You can be preconditioned in such a way that you've got dificulty with something intuitive. So learning it can be difficult for you, while it wouldn't have been, had you not been preconditioned. So the thing itself doesn't become intuitive, it already is or is not (although that's still subjective, like you said).
Les
14/06/07 @ 15:26
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@ davisorle

I didn’t mean to imply that the Wii is more powerful than the original xbox, was just part of the quote I responded to (but it wasn’t really clear from my response. Though as I’ve stated before, I’m no graphics whore, so technical quality of graphics doesn’t really impress me much). My reasoning was that graphical quality for Wii games isn’t that important, which is why some Wii games look worse than Gamecube ones.
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14/06/07 @ 17:26
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Reet, im opening a can of worms here, but i know more than most about these things having once coded on a cube and an xbox (before getting the hell out the industry)


@frod: Tim is a producer not a programmer. Read what he says with a pinch of salt.

The cube was about as powerful as the original xbox without the shaders (well actually if you ignored the shaders it could actually potentially do MORE than the xbox - poly thruput, better fillrate, etc). The wii is (apparently) double that.

So yeah - there's no reason (With good programming) that the wii shouldnt be capable of graphics kinda half way (hmm.. maybe because of hidef you're looking at "a quarter of the way") between the xbox and 360 (but without the shaders - so you're gonna lose effects like normal maps, etc). But with clever coding there's ways to fake it and look almost as good (if you know you're fixed function pipeline).


"Super Mario Galaxy looks amazing but as far as I know, no other Wii game comes close to matching its graphics."

Due to a number of reasons. Most of them seen to be lack of development budget on the first lot of games (because everyone presumed the wii would "do a cube"), subsequently you just end up with ps2 ports without any extra work being done to them.

Good games take about 18 months to 2 years to develop.. so we should start seeing games which use the hardware properly within the next 6 months to a year.
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smelly
14/06/07 @ 18:07
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@Yellow truck.. I know yer kidding but you know that might start happening.

At moment we're getting lots of ps2 ports to wii with just the controls changed and not graphics/etc.. What devs might start doing is making games for the wii (actually taking advantage of it's graphical power, etc) then porting it down to the ps2 (makes good business sense really)


Carrybagma
14/06/07 @ 18:10
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Gamecube
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15/06/07 @ 09:57
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Interesting to see the camera view changed. Surely that's a big risk in itself when millions of footie fans (both PES and FIFA) are already used to the TV view.

Still, good to see them taking a risk for the sake of what's best for the game! =)

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