NPD: PS3 and 360 on equal footing

By Robert Purchese Published 11 September, 2009

As DS and Madden romp results.

August NPD figures show cheapened consoles selling well, outrageously, as Xbox 360 and PS3 finish almost neck-and-neck with 215,000 and 210,000 units sold in the US.

But Nintendo is streets ahead as DS posts winning sales of 552,000 units, and Wii comfortably leads home rivals with 277,000 units sold.

The PSP pales in comparison by selling 140,000 units, and PS2 sits at the bottom the August pile with 106,000 units sold.

Sales were stronger in August 2008, then, but all formats performed better this month than they did in July. Plus, the PS3 Slim didn't launch until 1st September, so those results wait until next month.

Madden NFL 10 predictably bossed the software chart, finishing top on 360, third on PS3 and sixth on PS2. That trio combined to sell 1.5m sales, but EA boss John Riccitiello called the result "discouraging".

Batman: Arkham Asylum performed well to take fourth on 360 and fifth on PS3, with a gap of only 10,000 sales between them.

Rounding out the bottom half of the chart out are Dissidia: Final Fantasy at seven, Wii Fit at eight, Mario Kart Wii at nine and Fossil Fighters on DS at 10.

Microsoft, the sole NPD commenter, focused on strong year-on-year sales; Xbox 360 has sold 17 per cent more from January to August this year than last.

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  • M_of_the_sys #1 2 years ago

    Who the hell was buying all those PS3s just before the price drop?

    Edit: Same with the 360s.
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 09:11

  • Dizzy #2 2 years ago

    I find it amazing that the 360 and PS3 offer a lot to customers at very low places, yet the Wii just outsells them all without even breaking a sweat. Nintendo really hit a soft spot in the market there.

    >Who the hell was buying all those PS3s just before the price drop?

    There was already a big price drop in August... just no PS3 Slim.
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 09:12

  • Bazfrag #3 2 years ago

    Its on! Although Sept - December will be the real battle.

  • M_of_the_sys #4 2 years ago

    @Dizzy

    But weren't loads of people saying that the PS3's sold hardly anything because no one was buying them whilst waiting for a price drop? Was that not true then?

  • Xerx3s #5 2 years ago

    "But weren't loads of people saying that the PS3's sold hardly anything because no one was buying them whilst waiting for a price drop? Was that not true then?"

    No, what people said is that demand sharply dropped right in the week before the slim. That is true.

  • Doctor_What #6 2 years ago

    PS3 sales slowed for the week between the announcement and the release of the Slim, but there were three other weeks in the month... Suggesting that withouth the announcement the PS3 might have outsold the 360.

    If compared by quarters since release, the PS3 has been selling faster than the 360 since it came out. It was released a year later, but is only 7-9 months behind in terms of sales (and it's about 3m ahead of the 360 at the same point since its release). It's slowly gaining on the 360. All those stories about the PS3's sales sucking are not true - at least, they suck less than the 360's, and both suck compared to the Wii.

    It's going to be a very interesting Christmas!

  • metalmike25 #7 2 years ago

    @Xerxes

    You got a source for that?

  • Dizzy #8 2 years ago

    "But weren't loads of people saying that the PS3's sold hardly anything because no one was buying them whilst waiting for a price drop? Was that not true then? "

    In Japan yes.

    In US they had plenty of "old" PS3s in stock and they sold quite a bit the last week after a price cut. The first 3 weeks the PS3 indeed sold like shit because people were waiting.

    Actually the opposite happened to what Doctor_What is saying.
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 09:25

  • onyxbox #9 2 years ago

    very insteresting to see the PS3 on equal footing (almost) even before the Slim. As
    @Doctor_What said the PS3 may have outsold the 360 had they not announced the slim.


  • el_pollo_diablo #10 2 years ago

    There's a graph in Edge magazine this month that basically tracks the growth of sales of PS3 against the 360 since launch (as in, taking into account when they launched rather than total sales), and the two have been pretty much neck and neck since their respective launches.

  • JohnnyWashnGo #11 2 years ago

    I can imagine that the people buying the old PS3 were interested in the install other os option that was announced to be cut in the Slim PS3.

    There are a few places using racks of PS3s as cheap linux clusters so they may have been buying the stock in order to ensure they can replace broken nodes in the future?

    Or people are just dumb - who knows ;)

  • miiiguel #12 2 years ago

    Keep insisting on the 9 months later is kinda silly, me thinks, it's like saying ig my grandmother hadn't died she would still be alive. Thing is, they came late, tough shit.

  • Xerx3s #13 2 years ago

    "You got a source for that?"

    http://ww w.eurogamer.net/articles/japan-...

  • des #14 2 years ago

    Sorry EG 215>210...I bet Sony is thinking,damn those 5k,it destroyed our wonderful PR dreams

    "There was already a big price drop in August... just no PS3 Slim. "

    Wrong,retailers jumped the gun in US
    Price drop was on August 20,retailers started selling slim on August 25th,online also started shipping that day...

  • el_pollo_diablo #15 2 years ago

    @miiiguel: I think you may have missed the point.

  • Beano #16 2 years ago

    "But weren't loads of people saying that the PS3's sold hardly anything because no one was buying them whilst waiting for a price drop? Was that not true then?"

    Some US retailers began selling PS3s at the lower price in late august before the official slim launch in september. Quess that's the reason for the relative high PS3 sales for august. September numbers will be very interesting to see.

  • metalmike25 #17 2 years ago

    @Xerx3s

    Yeah but this article is about american sales

  • Beano #18 2 years ago

    "I find it amazing that the 360 and PS3 offer a lot to customers at very low places, yet the Wii just outsells them all without even breaking a sweat."

    Could not agree more. The high Wii sales also amazes me - especially with the less-than-exiting linieup. Only Wii Sports Resort have appealed to be for a long time - but that's also a great game ;)

  • miiiguel #19 2 years ago

    @el_pollo_diablo : nothing new then. Then again my point was why ppl keep insisting on "oooh but ps3 came one year later". So? Wii came one year later, and who's fault is it they came one year later? It's not mine for sure, as mater of fact if they hadn't I probably would have bought a PS3 on release day.

  • Beano #20 2 years ago

    @miiiguel : You dont' make much sense. Compared to 360 sales-from-launch, the PS3 numbers are not bad at all when looking at the numbers only. But coming from PS2 where Sony were the big market leader, PS3 sales have not been impressive - for a number of reasons.

  • Beano #21 2 years ago

    @donnie080208 : True, I don't think PS3 will ever catch up to 360 in the US (total sales). But worldwide I think it's a real possibility - IF they crack the Japanese market with titles like FF13 and GT5. Wii total sales will never be surpassed by either 360 or PS3 though ;)
    Edited by 2 at 11/09/09 @ 10:10

  • Dizzy #22 2 years ago

    "True, I don't think PS3 will ever catch up to 360 in the US (total sales). But worldwide I think it's a real possibility - IF they crack the Japanese market with titles like FF13 and GT5"

    Yes I think the PS3 has a good chance to catch up in about 2 years IMHO. Certainly the Slim will do very good business for Sony this year and they will probably be able to claw back 1-2 million IMHO. In the US it is a lost battle indeed. The 360 is doing great things there and only getting stronger. Of course we have no idea what Natal will do... a good marketing campaign could do some interesting things for MS by maybe cracking a bit of the casual market.

    Overall a more balanced console distribution is good for us all. I am quite pleased by how this gen is going...

  • dominalien #23 2 years ago

    consider that only ONE sony exclusive(resistance) has even sold over a million

    What?

  • miiiguel #24 2 years ago

    @Beano : I still fail to understand the "sales-from-launch" thing, as the only one who controlled that variable was Sony. Yet again, be faster/smarter, next time. Or do you think devs should have said "no, we're not making Dead Rising to 360 because, it's not fair we have to wait for Sony. Let's have a cup of cofee, and wait...".
    Tough shit, they didn't wait. Neither did I.
    And, you often forget for almost half a year it was almost impossible to get a 360, there were 360 been sold for 1000 Euros in eBay, I had to go to the shop at 7am to get it.
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 10:35

  • El-Dev #25 2 years ago

    @donnie, you might want to do some research in to that claim. Considering MGS4 has sold over 4m copies and LBP sold over 1.3m.

  • des #26 2 years ago

    "consider that only ONE sony exclusive(resistance) has even sold over a million

    What? "

    He is right,in US the only Sony exclusive that has sold over a million is Resistance,check NPD data for details.*

    As for Madden,people probably realized that that EA is just pumping the same game year after year...lol

    *MGS4 not counted
    Edited by 3 at 11/09/09 @ 12:07

  • miiiguel #27 2 years ago

    @miiguel- sales from launch is how you mark it

    Mark what? My 1st 360 was 450 Eur on the 2nd December 2005, it "marked" me, that's for sure. I continue to not understand how come 360s bought before PS3 was out don't count.

  • dingo75 #28 2 years ago

    Concering the head muppet of EA being unhappy:

    Also, our EAi businesses, comprised of Pogo, the new EA Social group and EA Mobile, are performing well. The Pogo Puppies social game goes live next week

    Can't wait!

    Seriously: How about releasing Madden for the PC again if you want to increase sales?

    Maybe consumers finally are tired of buying a glorified roster update for full price year after year!

    And while we are at it: Xbox 360 version graphics for FIFA 10 on the PC kthxbye!

  • El-Dev #29 2 years ago

    @miiiguel, if you count how well they have done from launch in the same time period, ie Nov 05 to may 08 for the 360 and Nov 06 to may 09 for the PS3 the 360 was over 2m units behind. Not a lot but still, if Sonys sales have been poor then so have MS in comparison in the same time frame and given the price difference.

  • miiiguel #30 2 years ago

    We're going in circles. I think I'm thinking in money terms. It was 450 euro, after all. Real money. Real work hours.
    Then again, fair enough, I guess.

  • metalmike25 #31 2 years ago

    @ miiiguel

    I still don't have a bloody clue what you're talking about. Someone asked earlier what point you're trying to make and i think we're all still waiting

  • miiiguel #32 2 years ago

    "just that you need to consider the headstart if your comparing overal sales between the two systems. "

    And why do I need to consider the "headstart" ? Maybe I'm missing something here... is it a "l33tness" thing? :)
    Maybe if PS3 hadn't came out - ever- it would be a tie...
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 11:04

  • MeBrains #33 2 years ago

    @miiiguel: align the respective starts of both consoles to a certain "point 0 (zero)". look at both sales curves. You'll see that - worldwide - PS3's pick-up has been higher than 360's one. I think that is a very very relevant chart to look at. It shows that up to now, despite PS3's high price, more customers have been buying Sony than MS. The head start is what it is: a head start.

    Edge's chart (in months, not quarters) on-line: http://vgchartz.com/ hwlaunch.php

  • MeBrains #34 2 years ago

    btw: can't believe how well I predicted sales back in 2007. Amazing really - if you ask me. :p

    [link url=http://gangos.blogspot.co m/
    ]http://gangos.blogspot.co m/
    [/link]

  • miiiguel #35 2 years ago

    "It shows that up to now, despite PS3's high price, more customers have been buying Sony than MS."

    So to have a "fair, l33t" comparision they had to be forced to come out at the same time, with the same price, and probably they should have the same size. Sorry, I still fail to understand why this is to be seen like an Olympic race. Decision were made, good or bad, they were made, it's called capitalism; competition.
    360 came out, sold more, suffered from bad testing.. decisions were made, and dealt with.
    PS3 came later and with a probably a not worth for games BR and more expensive, like wise.
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 11:43

  • MeBrains #36 2 years ago

    miiiguel: who is discussing this thinking of olympic races?! I fail to see that chapski.

    speaking for me, I am discussing these numbers because of these three reasons:
    1) NPD figures are about... well about numbers. making a discussion about lifetime sales, week-to-week comparisons, year-on-year growth etc extremely on-topic. There might be a race as in all business, but it certainly is not fair like an olympic one.
    2) because aligning launches more clearly shows how a console is doing. I mean: I suppose you would not compare PS2 to 360, saying: look 360 is doing bad, because it is 100 million behind PS2
    3) because some persons apparently fail to see that PS3 is NOT in a dire position, but doing quite okay.

    so no, it is not about same price, size, it is only about time. You launch a console, you see how it gets picked up in comparison to the competition by aligning launches...

  • monkeywithnoeyes #37 2 years ago

    by christmas it will be a different story if they fail to drop the price of that arcade. Hell they need the Elite at £150 as it is if they're to compare in value to what the ps3 offers at the same current price - regardless of your need, or want, for blueray, wifi, free online, controllers that dont need batterys or rechargable packs. These all still add extra value for your money over the Elite offering a bigger hardrive over the pro at half the price.

    MS are fools for killing off the pro. You dont kill off your enterence level console with a hdd when you've just spent this year investing primarily in selling us dlc - avatar clothing, GOD, exclusive 50mill dlc expansions, movies, summer of arcade. All that took MS money to market. In what world of sense does it make to then remove your cheapest hdd console and replace it with one that doesnt come with a hdd and its customers cant take advantage of all your marketing because they cant download anything?

  • MeBrains #38 2 years ago

    @donnie: @BEANO agree the 360 did not get its lead from its first year, where its sales were fairly disappointing(think it sold 3.5M in its 1st year,do the maths).so since the ps3 launched, the 360 has increased its lead by about 4 to 5 million

    not entirely accurate. 360 increased its ww lead by 2.1 million. Given that it increased its lead by 9 million in the US alone, it has been losing quite substantially in both other territories...

    on games: there has been MGS4 (1.78m), Motorstorm (1.51), Resistance (1.41) and Uncharted (1.01) as million sellers. I do suppose a lot were bundled with the console and still count as sales though. LBP stands at .95m and KZ2 at .9m.
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 12:22

  • miiiguel #39 2 years ago

    "not entirely accurate. 360 increased its ww lead by 2.1 million. Given that it increased its lead by 9 million in the US alone, it has been losing quite substantially in both other territories... "

    So, not only we have to consider, time of release; price; there's a new variable in town: US doesn't quite count... :D
    Come on...
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 12:25

  • IneptPercy #40 2 years ago

    I do think the Slim may cause a stall in sales later on, right now I would guess there is a lot of people who have upgraded from the fat to slim PS3 which means there woll be more than usual used units about. Everytime one of these used units sells its not adding to the sales totals in the future so what may have been a sale in the future as happened now in theory.

    Realistically I don't think either console is going to have a massive lead, the PS3 may catch up eventually, but by theat point it won't have enough left to push far past it.

    From Sony's point of view they have screwed up, the PS/PS2 owned most of the gaming market to now be fighting for second with an xbox (which had a very small market share last generation) isn't very good in comparison.

  • ronuds #41 2 years ago

    MeBrains - the reason you're coming up with incorrect numbers is because you're using vgchartz. The best indication of how many they've sold up to now is when they report their shipped numbers at the end of each quarter.

    And based on their shipped numbers last reported, the 360's lead has grown since the PS3 launched.

    lol @ vg, though!

  • des #42 2 years ago

    "on games: there has been MGS4 (1.78m), Motorstorm (1.51), Resistance (1.41) and Uncharted (1.01) as million sellers. I do suppose a lot were bundled with the console and still count as sales though. LBP stands at .95m and KZ2 at .9m."

    Where did you get those data?Hopefully not the Vgzzcharts,it will make you look like a fool...lol

  • ronuds #43 2 years ago

    Those #'s must be US only, because MGS4 sold a lot more than that worldwide. I think it was around 4m or so.

    I'm actually surprised the PS3 didn't kick the 360's ass, though. It should do so easily next month, but the release of a new Halo certainly won't hurt the 360's chances.

    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 12:46

  • Alkeno #44 2 years ago

    As the article says we need next month figures to truly understand how the balance is settled now...

    In any case I believe that Nintendo are the knockout winners of this generation already: cheapest hardware and beating the hell out of the HD consoles, little to discuss here. Microsoft can be very happy indeed, three years ago they were the clear underdog and nobody thought the 360 would stand a round against PS3... now they are on equal ground. Sony must be stabbing themselves in the chest, they owned the videogame market and now are in third place.

    The funny thing is that Sony can't be blamed that much, they didn't do such a bad job. Actually, they did the same as in the previous generations! A powerful well built console, difficult to program for, bundled with the latest optical drive that wasn't the first to launch. They even made online play free and priced the console sensibly (yes, it was expensive... as all consoles when launched, I still remember the pricetag of a brand new PS1, Sega Saturn or PS2 back in the days...). Nintendo just blew the market away with clever advertising and Microsoft had a killer 2007 with exclusives such as Bioshock, Halo 3 and Mass Effect that made hardcores around the world get three consoles each (two for backup ;-).

  • MeBrains #45 2 years ago

    @ronuds: although I fully agree that vgchartz's numbers are not the official ones, I am sure they are more than correct enough to use them to compare figures. vgchartz has been around for the better part of the decade and has been doing the numbers since their get-go. YES, they do use predictions, but hell yes, they correct them whenever "official" figures are released. btw: last week they predicted between 450 and 550k global sales for PS3. Guess what: they were (almost) right.

    now, if you do not agree with anybody using these as a means of comparison by the nobody's we are, then feel free to "point out another source where you can find assimilated, easy to find, graphically presented, comparable, world-wide as well as free data! Thanks in advance!" - like I mentioned in another post.

    edit: yes, these game numbers are indeed US only. I suppose Donnie was referring to only the US when mentioning that only "Resistance" shipped over a million...
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 12:53

  • MeBrains #46 2 years ago

    @miiiguel: "So, not only we have to consider, time of release; price; there's a new variable in town: US doesn't quite count... :D "

    your interpretations seem to be quickly becoming as absurd as Donnie's. I hope your ":D" is there for a reason...

  • des #47 2 years ago

    ^^
    So if you can't find "real data" it is ok to use made up numbers?...stupid
    Check this out,easy to find...

    [link url=http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story =24199
    ]http://ww w.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_in...[/link]


  • MeBrains #48 2 years ago

    @des: there is a difference between "made-up numbers" (aka "hey from now on I'll just say that 360 has sold 67million units";) and "estimated numbers corrected over time with official numbers" like vgchartz does, or is there not?! just answer the question I have: point me out to another source for numbers - which is not a single article.

    about that article: I did mention that the numbers I gave would include bundles, no? Also, date from that article is up to April - not that it would give a dramatically different picture would it have been up to August...

    btw: thanks for the article. It is an interesting read.

  • muscleblade #49 2 years ago

    @Miiguel

    Its like when people tell me: I would have had just as big muscles as you if i worked out every other day and ate nothing but high quality healthy food and got 8 hours of sleep every night and never toughed alcohol or smokes. Oh well.

    The PS3 is doing amazingly well (sales wise) considering it cant beat the 360 when it comes to either game quality or online service.

  • GreyBeard #50 2 years ago

    I think PS3 was heavily discounted in the weeks leading up to the Slim's launch, the 160gb model I know was getting heavily bundled in order to clear the channel in both NA and Canada.

    Realistically NA is the PS3's weakest territory performance-wise, so it makes sense there'd be relatively larger numbers of unsold units already in the retail channel and therefore more impetus for big retailers like Best-Buy and Target to dunp their inventory quick-smart.

    There's also the cross-promo thing with Madden that probably helped to shift a few units, Sony have got to be happy with getting 2/3rds of 360's sales considering they are so far behind in install-base.

  • dingo75 #51 2 years ago

    In any case I believe that Nintendo are the knockout winners of this generation already: cheapest hardware and beating the hell out of the HD consoles, little to discuss here. Microsoft can be very happy indeed, three years ago they were the clear underdog and nobody thought the 360 would stand a round against PS3... now they are on equal ground. Sony must be stabbing themselves in the chest, they owned the videogame market and now are in third place.


    The problem is that the Wii's success is based on tons of non-gamer people owning one because it's "hip" to have one right now.
    The real question is what will happen once something else comes along that everyone has to have. Then the Wii will tank in sales so bad it won't be funny.

    At the end Nintendo could be ending up with all non-gamers having moved on and the "hardcore" people shunning them for having abandoned them during the last years.
    Same problem once they want to release a new console. How should they bring all the non-gamers to "upgrade"?

  • miiiguel #52 2 years ago

    "your interpretations seem to be quickly becoming as absurd as Donnie's. I hope your ":D" is there for a reason... "

    You're the one who said that there was indeed an increase of 360's lead but it was due to US. Disregarding US sales just "because" is indeed funny, hence :D
    Then again, don't take this too seriously, it's friday and my day is almost done. Again :D (!)

  • MeBrains #53 2 years ago

    miiiguel: i am not disregarding the US just "because". I am disregarding the US to point out that sales of 360 have been worse than sales for PS3 in all territories except the US. That's not putting the US apart. That is not using another metric. That is just interpreting the data we get to come to some insights.

    but it is for me now to say that we are running around in circles... :p

  • ronuds #54 2 years ago

    @ MeBrains

    If you're going to exclude the 360's strongest territory, then it's only fair if you do the same to the PS3s, no? I would think that might be a better comparison of who's done better since launch.

    I don't really understand why we're comparing 360 sales to the PS3's, though, and saying the PS3 is performing well. Shouldn't we compare them to the PS2? Certainly if I were a business owners, I'd compare sales for a next generation item against the previous generations, rather than a competitor nobody figured would even be in the running.

    @ evilfoxhound - sales of new things usually sell huge in the first week or two and then simmer down dramatically after. I'm not sure September is going to be that huge for Sony in comparison to Nintendo and MS.

  • MeBrains #55 2 years ago

    ronuds: you honestly don't think I am comparing PS3 ww sales to 360's non-US sales, do you?

    I am comparing ww sales of both. PS3 comes out on top.


    I am comparing US sales of both. 360 comes out on top - by a large margin.


    I am comparing non-US sales of both. PS3 comes out on top - by a large margin. (Japan not included, but it would only be in PS3's "favor" to do so, no?)

    I guess we are comparing, because we have always been comparing and always will be comparing.

    I also have always mentioned that PS3 sales are not as bad as some think (I call these "some" Donnie for now) - I never said that they are up to PS2's standards. I do suppose that Sony is quite okay with that - given the stiffer competition MS gives. And while I do suspect that Sony would not have expected their console to do as bad as it does in the US, I do believe they are still quite happy with its performance.

  • ronuds #56 2 years ago

    It's too bad vgchartz hasn't a clue what European sales really are. How would they?

    It's very simple, though, and if you do the math correctly you can figure out what Euro sales are "approximately" without the embarrassment of referencing vgchartz. Take global sales - US sales - Japan sales and you'll have a "decent" indication of Euro sales. Of course, it won't account for territories such as Canada and the like, but you can probably figure take 1 - 1.5m off each of their totals.

    I'm not saying vg is "certainly" off, but I trust their figures about as much as I do a rabid dog's ability to not bite me. But since official figures are rarely ever given, I think it's safe to say their numbers are nothing more than estimates - and they've been estimating the PS3 is way ahead for a while, even though any time we are lucky enough to receive official figures, they show the 2 to be relatively even.

    Where's Psychotext when you need him?!?
    Edited by 2 at 11/09/09 @ 15:27

  • Ryze #57 2 years ago

    How the hell are Nintendo selling half a million DSs last month in the US?

    Surely everyone's already got one!?

  • ronuds #58 2 years ago

    @ MeBrains

    Because I'm anal about numbers, I checked your threads again. You must be doing something wrong with your # of weeks specified because there's no way the PS3 is on top of the 360 in WW sales. The 360 has around an 8m unit lead, which brings me to my 2nd point about Euro sales....

    360 ww - 32m
    PS3 ww - 24m
    360 Japan - 1m
    PS3 - 3m
    360 US - 15m
    PS3 US - 8m

    360 Difference 32 - 1 - 15 = 16m (other)
    PS3 Dif - 24 - 3 - 8 = 13m (other)

    How does vg figure the PS3 is ahead by 3m in Europe given those figures above, plus the fact that the 360 has an 8m unit global lead?

  • MeBrains #59 2 years ago

    ronuds, for crying out loud. how the fuck are you using these numbers to come to your conclusions - numbers I supposedly am defending?!

    Where the hell have I said that Sony has sold more than 360 cumulatively and to date?! We both friggen now that cumulative sales of 360 are more (8 million more) than PS3's. That is because:
    1) 360's head start
    2) the strong position of 360 in the US!
    cumulative sales evolution over the last year.

    Now, align the launches and notice that the RED line is ABOVE the GREEN line, meaning: sales from the moment the consoles launched are higher ww, than these of 360 have been since it launch. Obviously, the GREEN line continues for about 52 weeks longer... I do trust you understand that is because of 360's earlier start.

    regardless of this being VGChartz numbers, I do not give a toss if you trust in them or not. I do - to a certain extent. Point me out where they fail and I'll happily learn. Use all the other numbers you want to disprove them. Hey - maybe you can better this miserable site named vgchartz?!

    btw: if you fail to understand the above explanation, you are just anal. - not only about numbers. Where is psychotext indeed?!?!

  • ronuds #60 2 years ago

    That's what I get for joining a conversation late! I thought we were just talking LTD numbers, regardless of launch date. My bad!

    So you're saying that the PS3 has sold more in its first 3 years than the 360 did. Well, that's entirely possible. You can probably finagle numbers this way or that to make the 360 look like it's sold better than the Wii, too. The fact of the matter is, the 360 has an 8m unit lead, and has increased its lead on the PS3 since they both launched.
    Edited by 4 at 11/09/09 @ 16:57

  • Drakron #61 2 years ago

    To make things simple, if the PS3 was the 2nd most sold home console in Europe we would have heard the trumpets from Sony.

    The fact they did not is telling, in fact in Europe Sony after the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 for a few months on a row announced that just for Microsoft announce about 3 months later that that the Xbox 360 had outsold the PS3 and then nothing.

  • miiiguel #62 2 years ago

    "I honestly don't really know what we're comparing anymore. :D "

    It has to have the same release data, same price, and US doesn't count. We must be fair.
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 16:59

  • ronuds #63 2 years ago

    @ Drakron

    It's likely true that the PS3 has outsold the 360 in Europe since it's launched - maybe not overall, though. And not in the UK, either.

    So, yeah, MeBrains is correct in that (though, I highly doubt it's a 3m unit diff.), but I'm not really sure how it's at all relevant - given everybody knows Europe is Sony land, and after Japan (was), it's strongest territory.

  • ronuds #64 2 years ago

    @ miiiguel

    After about 10 edits, I figured it out! lol

  • MeBrains #65 2 years ago

    miiiguel: -1'd that comment. What exactly does it bring to the conversation?

    ronuds: I doubt you can create figures showing 360 above Wii except for showing a graph starting October 2005 when 360 launched up to the week before Wii overtook it. But that would be like saying "360 is doing very very bad. It is 100 million behind PS2"!

    But I look forward to another one, do surprise me chap.
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 17:14

  • miiiguel #66 2 years ago

    "miiiguel: -1'd that comment. What exactly does it bring to the conversation?"

    Explaining ronuds what's supposed to be fair. +1 your coment, just because.

  • ronuds #67 2 years ago

    @ MeBrains

    Well, there were all those weeks before the Wii was even on sale. So there you go! I'm sure vgchartz in all its splendor could have told you that! :p

    Ahh, you beat me to it with an edit of your own! But I'm sure, being vgchartz seems to magically have weekly figures, there are a couple weeks in there somewhere when they claim the 360 outsold the Wii.

    @ miiguel

    Don't worry, buddy - I gave you a +1 to even it out. MeBrains can apparently dish out the verbal abuse, but he can't take it! :D

    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 17:20

  • des #68 2 years ago

    Hmm,

    "regardless of this being VGChartz numbers, I do not give a toss if you trust in them or not. I do - to a certain extent. Point me out where they fail and I'll happily learn. Use all the other numbers you want to disprove them. Hey - maybe you can better this miserable site named vgchartz?! "

    The problem is that vgcharts has a zero market coverage,its numbers are valid as numbers from some random internet post.There is a reason why MS,Sony,Nintendo pay for NPD,Chart Track,etc numbers and it is not a small price to pay.

    Using vgcharts numbers=instant fail

    Here is another chart for you,US and EU combined sales,using good sources

    [link url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169923 36&postcount=7
    ]http://ww w.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php...[/link]



  • ronuds #69 2 years ago

    Well, being there aren't really any "definitive" sources for sales across the world, vgchartz isn't bad to get a general idea of what's going on.

    However, they have absolutely no idea what the #'s are for anything outside of the US and Japan, and they only "know" those after they're announced by NPD or Media Create. Everything else on their part is speculation...and many times pretty bad speculation.

    The problem with a statement like this:
    "I do not give a toss if you trust them or not"

    Is that vgchartz is generally not the accepted source for console figures, so it's the same as saying, "I don't care if you don't agree with the numbers I receive from the pixies at night, who leave them for me while I sleep."
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 17:34

  • Khanivor #70 2 years ago

    MeBrains needs to get some.

    I take it linking to a VGlol chart 'showing' the PS3s ww sales as being above that of the 360 is not comparable to claiming the PS3 has sold more than the 360. Weird.

  • SeesThroughAll #71 2 years ago

    Guys, all consoles are selling well, people are having fun...

    It's Friday night! Go out and enjoy it, you all! :D

  • MeBrains #72 2 years ago

    haha... Ronuds did get me there. I used verbal abuse with the anal thing. I am so sorry for doing so.

    Miiiguel: I still do not get this "supposed to be fair". To whom? The way you put it, certainly not to me.

    @ronuds: at least you stay more objective. Which is good. You can't discuss with Donnies. Again: apology for the verbal abuse.

    @des: I have also not said that Sony, MS, Ninty, Activision, EA etcetcetc use vgchartz instead of NPD and the like or have I? But you keep on evanding the single question I have: if vgchartz is so bad for us nobodies in the internetzland, then what do we use? Your single static graph made up by we don't know based on NPD, ChartTrack etc instead of it?! Will we continue using your "alternative? haha... I might indeed use "lol" again soon...

    @khanivor: what exactly are you saying-lol?!

  • des #73 2 years ago

    "Your single static graph made up by we don't know based on NPD, ChartTrack etc instead of it?! Will we continue using your "alternative? haha... I might indeed use "lol" again soon... "

    Click on that link again and you will see that that graph was made by Activision-Blizzard and it was released in their quarter 2 financial results,you can find it in pdf files, first post of that thread,feel free to analyze it.

    What do we use?If you can't get legit data,nothing...simple as that,because everything else is just dreaming

  • ronuds #74 2 years ago

    @ MeBrains

    No apologies necessary! I know I can be a horses ass sometimes.

    As for your "who do we use" question - like des said, there really is no definitive source. The info. comes from everywhere, and sometimes at random, or not at all. The problem with quoting figures between x and y date with vg is that they have no idea what was sold every month in Europe. They have probably updated their numbers as best they can with the info. given, which has been sporadic at best, and then estimated the rest.

  • MeBrains #75 2 years ago

    @ronuds: yes, but vg's all we have, so I will keep on using them - knowing like we both do - that they're not biblical.

    @des: according to your post: vgchartz is 1 million ww wrong. sounds acceptable to discuss trends. cheerio chaps.
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 19:01

  • MeBrains #76 2 years ago

    des: you read this as well, didn't you?

    [link url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16999 507&postcount=17
    ]http://ww w.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php...[/link]

    vgchartz more accurate then?!

    ...

    no. I do not suppose so. But they are not that far off and useable for what we need it for. i.e. going about our little simple discussions.

  • IronCladChicken #77 2 years ago

    The Wii is a good system; it has some of the hardest hard-core games (e.g. Chocobo's Dungeon, Fire Emblem), some long running Nintendo specific series (e.g. Rune Factory), solid refits (e.g. Metroid trilogy), great casual titles (wii sport resort), system specifics (Zak and Wiki, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom)...

    Just because it doesn’t appeal to the standard crowd (the sort of gamers who follow the scene as much as playing the games) or have a power spec of the 360 or PS3 doesn’t stop it from being a very solid little machine; a well deserved success.

  • Khanivor #78 2 years ago

    If you can't follow comments on your own posts there's nae much hope.

  • MeBrains #79 2 years ago

    but I can Khanivor... mostly. but I can't with yours. I do not know how it fits in.

    afaik you say vgchartz's ps3's on top is like saying ps3's on top and I agree. I can't rhyme that with "mebrains needs to get some"...

    much like I can't rhyme Obama's solution to healthcare with [link url=http://ww w.youtube.com/watch?v=cahvnCBVXXU.
    ]http://ww w.youtube.com/watch?v=cahvnCBVX...[/link]

    See?! :|

  • WayMucho #80 2 years ago

    tbh I'm a bit bored of all these figures now - as people have said,ninty have somehow hit the marketing bullseye, and the others have done well enough ( Sony only just v PS2), and its going to carry on pretty much like this for the foreseeable future. The only thing I don't understand is why every American needs 78 DSs each (but only 4 games)
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/09 @ 20:48

  • Khanivor #81 2 years ago

    Nae hope at all.

  • MeBrains #82 2 years ago

    well yeah. if he says so twice using the same four words, I guess it must be true.

    certainly so if these same four words indicate "nae" being able to pick up on comments on his own posts, hmm?

  • zedzee #83 2 years ago

    Yes, but what's the overall positioning like? By how much is the X360 leading the PS3?

  • des #84 2 years ago

    "des: you read this as well, didn't you? "

    Yes,i did...it just shows that shipped numbers are what they are,sold to retailers,not sold to consumers
    Publishers tend to stuff the channels and they use pretty fuzzy math when it comes to reporting those...sometimes they even change last quarter results to make new quarter look better