No Team Fortress 2 updates for PS3

By Robert Purchese Published 24 September, 2008

Valve doesn't support the system.

Valve and EA have no plans to offer downloadable classes or content for Team Fortress 2 on PS3.

Valve has no PlayStation developers, which was why EA had to internally develop The Orange Box for PS3. And that seems to be as far as the enormous publisher wants to go.

"They're not doing ongoing development on The Orange Box for the PS3," Gabe Newell, Valve boss, told 1UP.

Pyro, Medic and Heavy updates as well as community-made maps are already available for PC, and will be heading to Xbox 360 in the future.

Valve is currently hard at work on Left 4 Dead, the co-operative shooter for four survivors against hordes of either computer- or player-controller zombies.

Gabe Newell said EA is "interested" in doing a PS3 version, but until both parties can work out where the resources can come from, the game will remain a PC and Xbox 360 title.

Head over to our Left 4 Dead gamepage to find out more.

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  • sergeantdisco #1 3 years ago

    Buy a PC then you proles.

  • muftak #2 3 years ago

    thats not the point gabe is a fat twat who is scared of doing anything new , apple offered to pay him a fortune for a mac version of HL2 but becasue he would have to code for mac he said no im to fucking lazy same with the ps3 a challenage comes up and hes too busy eating his porkpies and burger kings to care.

  • speedjack #3 3 years ago

    PS3 owner are you by any chance, muftak ?

  • SBfistfun #4 3 years ago

    This is living

  • Loser #5 3 years ago

    @ muftak,

    in that case his approach to PS3 is very similar to your approach to punctuation.

  • Schiraman #6 3 years ago

    Wow, that's pretty shit. As a big PC gamer I've got a of time for Valve, but their attitude to the PS3 really sucks.

  • jack_klugman #7 3 years ago

    I rather admire them for sticking to their guns over this. And I'm a PlayStation 3 owner. Admittedly I'm also a PC owner.

  • muftak #8 3 years ago

    @speedjack

    yes but pc owner for TF2 becuase i belive you should play most FPS on pc becuase that is what it was desgined for .

    but mulit format stuff needs to be better supported by these companys no half arsed effort anymore i pay alot of money for games nowadays and dont like getting the half arsed version.

    @Loser

    dont have time for that i might get caught at work :)
    Edited by 2 at 24/09/08 @ 11:48

  • menage #9 3 years ago

    Is anybody still playing thsi on PS3 then? Just curious.

  • DFawkes #10 3 years ago

    That's a shame. I thought EA had turned a corner, what with free suff for Burnout and Army of Two. I'd have thought it'd just have been porting, which they could've charged for.

    Still, I'm not a big fan of the extra stuff anyway, I usually stick with the default loadout on PC (got a trial code). Still might have to invest in the PC version for the larger number of players and my prefered controls, even if I do stick to 2FORT.

    EDIT: Yes menage, I still play on PS3 regularly, there is a good crowd there at times.
    Edited by 1 at 24/09/08 @ 11:55

  • Rirekon #11 3 years ago

    "yes but pc owner for TF2 becuase i belive you should play most FPS on pc becuase that is what it was desgined for"
    The PC was designed for word processing actually, but never mind.

  • sergeantdisco #12 3 years ago

    The article says EA developed it for the PS3 so surely it's up to them.

  • WillyWanka #13 3 years ago

    \o/ (about it coming to the 360, never knew that!)

    Now if they can just fix the crippling lag that infests every 2nd game I play...

  • JonFE #14 3 years ago

    No offense but, since EA -not Valve- ported the game to the PS3, shouldn't EA port these updates as well?

    Valve have stated, for whatever reason, that they would not bother with the PS3 (at this time ?). One could blame them for that, but it was their decision to make, their loss to bear. There's no point in beating this dead horse - it should done and buried.

    IMHO, EA started this, EA should finish it...

  • kangarootoo #15 3 years ago

    "thats not the point gabe is a fat twat who is scared of doing anything new , apple offered to pay him a fortune for a mac version of HL2 but becasue he would have to code for mac he said no im to fucking lazy same with the ps3 a challenage comes up and hes too busy eating his porkpies and burger kings to care."

    Thats rich coming from someone who is too lazy to press the shift or full stop or apostrophe keys, or learn to spell.

  • degville #16 3 years ago

    He's not too lazy he said he was typing at work so obviously had to rattle his comment off, I'm sure we'd all like more time to refine our prose.

  • Skeletor #17 3 years ago

    @Rirekon
    "The PC was designed for word processing actually, but never mind."

    Hehe, sure thing genius! Companies like Nvidia, ATI or Blizzard might disagree with you...when it comes to modern PCs and not your ancient 286;-)

  • Slamhound #18 3 years ago

    Where's your messiah now?

  • Gnort #19 3 years ago

    He's not too lazy he said he was typing at work so obviously had to rattle his comment off, I'm sure we'd all like more time to refine our prose.

    We're not that desperate to hear what you have to say. If you don't have time to write a coherent post, rather don't post at all.
    Edited by 1 at 24/09/08 @ 12:20

  • jack_klugman #20 3 years ago

    It can't help that the Source engine won't have been designed with the obscure architecture of the PS3 in mind.

  • aldo_14 #21 3 years ago

    The PC was designed for word processing actually, but never mind.

    Don't be stupid!












    It was clearly designed for downloading porn.

  • Triggerhappytel #22 3 years ago

    Regarding no Left 4 Dead (still a terrible name) on the PS3, Valve have obviously decided the financial return isn't worth the effort, but it does seem as though they will miss out on a lot of potential sales. Gabe Newall clearly hates the PS3 (he has said that he basically thinks it is a car crash and Sony should start again), but they're instantly losing a fair portion of their market by ignoring the system.
    Edited by 1 at 24/09/08 @ 12:31

  • kangarootoo #23 3 years ago

    "He's not too lazy he said he was typing at work so obviously had to rattle his comment off, I'm sure we'd all like more time to refine our prose."

    Thats no bloody excuse. That implies that writing a proper sentence is something that everyone needs "a few goes" at before they get it right.

    If you possess proper spelling and grammar skills then the stuff you write pretty much makes sense first time around. I don't spill out illegible nonsense and then have to go back and 'refine' it. What you are reading now, baring the odd typo correction, is exactly what came out of my head and onto my keyboard.

    Being able to write a basic, properly formed sentence should not be considered a process of refinement.
    /insert rant about dropping education standards here, grrmmble etc

  • Ignatius_Cheese #24 3 years ago

    /sniggers

  • PearOfAnguish #25 3 years ago

    but they're instantly losing a fair portion of their market by ignoring the system.

    Doubtful. If the PS3 was that much of an untapped market they'd have employed some PS3 programmers. They seem to be doing quite well without.

  • thesombrerokid #26 3 years ago

    @Triggerhappytel

    no they're not they're loosing a small portion of thier market a very small portion.

    people buy a PS3 for a reason, a very Japanesse reason.

  • Bealsy #27 3 years ago

    lol @ "this is living"

  • PearOfAnguish #28 3 years ago

    It's LOSING, damn it.

  • Rirekon #29 3 years ago

    "Hehe, sure thing genius! Companies like Nvidia, ATI or Blizzard might disagree with you...when it comes to modern PCs and not your ancient 286;-)"

    I'm sure they would, however none of them have any impact on the control method do they? Nvidia and ATI make graphics cards, they work the same whether they are in a PC or console, and Blizzard have made games designed for the PC not the other way around.

    The closest we have to a computer specifically designed for FPS is the console. Keyboard + Mouse are not designed for FPS controls, we've just had FPS designed to use those control methods. Halo is a solid FPS which uses a game pad, since then we've had more and more which get it right.

    Genius ;-)

  • PearOfAnguish #30 3 years ago

    The closest we have to a computer specifically designed for FPS is the console. Keyboard + Mouse are not designed for FPS controls

    And yet mouse and keyboard is still better for an FPS than any game pad.

  • peterfll #31 3 years ago

    .... isn't Valve known for their superiority complex? I mean, most other people seem to see the value of cross platform releases. Unless you're exclusive it makes sense otherwise why is every other Tom, Dick and Harry doing it?

  • Coughthulu #32 3 years ago

    @kangarootoo

    With trepidation, I point you at:

    This.

    I almost wept when I read that.

    Sorry for tangentialising (this is my new made up word), this thread.

    Edited by 3 at 24/09/08 @ 13:05

  • PearOfAnguish #33 3 years ago

    isn't Valve known for their superiority complex? I mean, most other people seem to see the value of cross platform releases.

    It is multi-platform. It's on PC and Xbox.

  • crozon #34 3 years ago

    why bother with the ps3 version, the PC is going to sell the most (case in point the orange box). It makes more money for valve and they can patch the game when ever they want on the PC,

  • Triggerhappytel #35 3 years ago

    I don't doubt the 360 is going to be the bigger market for FPS and western-developed games such as Valve produce, but -

    "no they're not they're loosing a small portion of thier market a very small portion."

    - really? Big multiformat titles have done well for themselves on PS3; the likes of GTAIV, CoD4 and Assassin's Creed have still sold in their millions. I know Left 4 Dead won't be anywhere near as big as these games, but is it really wise to ignore a potential, say, fifth or quarter of your audience?

    These questions are rhetorical of course, as Valve obviously seem to think so.

  • Matfink #36 3 years ago

    Schiraman said "Wow, that's pretty shit. As a big PC gamer I've got a of time for Valve, but their attitude to the PS3 really sucks. "

    If you've ever developed for the PS3, you'd think differently... :p

  • Gurgeh #37 3 years ago

    Gabe is the Soup Nazi to the playstationers

    [link url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJyGJQx2Fgk&feature=rel ated
    ]http://ww w.youtube.com/watch?v=YJyGJQx2F...[/link]

  • peterfll #38 3 years ago

    Ooo! Pear - don't you split hairs wth me!

    \struts off

  • thesombrerokid #39 3 years ago

    you develope for PC you get a 360 version for 20-50% of the cost, you have to fork out about another 100% or more to get a ps3 version so 20-25% market gain is bad economics (these figures re completely arbitrary)

  • PearOfAnguish #40 3 years ago

    basically dont buy anything valve related for the PS3

    Well that won't be difficult.
    Edited by 1 at 24/09/08 @ 13:21

  • dr_faulk #41 3 years ago

    sUx 2 b Ps33333333

  • dsmx #42 3 years ago

    Don't know why anyone would buy TF2 for the ps3 or the xbox 360 anyway it works on just about any PC and it's miles better on the PC.

  • onyxbox #43 3 years ago

    I think this so called news has been spun slightly (again by EG).

    In the interview didn't Gabe say:

    I think we need to do a good job with supporting the PS3 with the Source engine. Our engine licensees would like us to do it. I think we need to invest more in getting that in there. So I think that we'll, over time, be directly more and more supporting the PS3 as our bandwidth allows us to.

    I think Gabe is just saying no patch because they didn't develop that version (EA did) and that Valve need to get source working on PS3 themselves so that developers (including themselves) can use the Source engine for cross platform development.

    He clearly doesn't like the PS3 but he acknowledges it's selling very well and from a comercial standpoint they have to consider supporting PS3 natively.

    You never know, after getting their hands dirty they might actually like it :-)



  • mkreku #44 3 years ago

    Well, Gabe WAS with Microsoft for 13 years before starting up Valve, give him a break. Of course he's not interested in the PS3.

  • mcmonkeyplc #45 3 years ago

    PS3lol?

  • Arsian #46 3 years ago

    looks to me that if you've got a PC you don't need a 360 anyway. LOL. And the games are cheaper too!

  • jonbwfc #47 3 years ago

    'Valve need to get source working on PS3 themselves so that developers can pay Valve to use the Source engine for cross platform development. "
    Fixed for you. Let's be honest here, Valve have absolutely no interest in developing for the PS3. And anyway, does anyone actually use the source engine other than Valve? I mean, serious games companies? As oppose to Unreal 3 or inhouse stuff?

    Valve have a long an infamous history of making dumb decisions where it comes to ports and the like. Back in the 90's they paid a company to make a macintosh version of the original Half Life and the guys did a great job. Last I read of it, they were playing it on line against PC owners without anyone knowing the wiser. It was basically done. Then Valve pulled the plug. Basically said because they didn't want to have to support the Mac version, they weren't going to bother releasing it. Note this is after they'd already paid a bunch of guys for about six months to do the port for them.

    Likewise what they've done here is basically punt any further sales of PS3 orange box against the wall. These sort of decisions end up costing them money. Now obviously they have enough money left to make the entire staff paper hats out of $100 bills but still, if I was someone for whome Valve's bottom line was actually important, I'd be wishing Gabe would just keep his gob shut on things like this.

    Jon

  • Dizzy #48 3 years ago

    Maybe next time Sony will make a system that devs actually like to work on.

  • ronuds #49 3 years ago

    I'd suspect Valve wouldn't be making any 360 games either if the architecture weren't similar to the PC's.

    Anyway, this is EA's fault. For whatever reason -- be it financial or otherwise -- Gabe's decided not to make PS3 games. EA did OB themselves, so they should be responsible for any subsequent releases/fixes, etc.

  • PearOfAnguish #50 3 years ago

    Valve don't support the PS3? That's ironic, PS3 owners don't support Valve :p

    Do all three of you feel the same way?

  • kangarootoo #51 3 years ago

    @Coughthulu

    Here begins amn off topic rant, so if reading off topic rants isn't your bag, scroll down now.

    I'd already seen that story. Christ knows what that dude was thinking. Now I'll be happy to admit that plenty of words in the english language have a ludicrous spelling structure, and duplication is rife too. And I accept that language changes over time, with common usage being an influence in that change. However there is a MASSIVE principal at stake here, and it goes thus...


    I come from a generation that learned to spell at school. We LEARNED TO F*CKING SPELL!!

    Its not rocket science, its not some ancient art lost to the annals of time, its not a skill we should assume can only be mastered by Krypton Factor finalists (even though we all know that actually, winning Krypton Factor all just boiled down to being f*cking awesome at army assault courses). Its actually pretty trivial so long as quality education is provided over a number of years.

    The reason that half of the kids in the UK don't seem to have any spelling or grammar skills these days is because education has failed over a number of years. English Language and English Literature used to be seperate GCSEs, but not anymore. There are plenty of students from other countries learning English as a foreign langusage who can write better sentences that british teens, simply because they are TAUGHT to.

    Actually, none of that was the principle. THIS is the principle. This guy is essentially saying that, now we have let standards turn into a sack of crap, attempting to return to them is going to "hold back our kids". To do so is to suggest that in the name of not holding kids back, we should let standards and requirements drop instead of educating said kids up to the required level.

    When this news surfaced, many from an earlier generation (into which I just about fit) voiced the exact same opinion as me. And that is, if a CV turns up under my nose that is full of l33t spelling and absent of grammar, its going in the bin. If that doesn't "hold back our kids", I'm not sure what will. And do we really think that any british child aiming to work abroad later in life would stand a hope in hell if his covering latter and CV contained words that were spelt phonetically?

    Madness.

  • kangarootoo #52 3 years ago

    "I'd suspect Valve wouldn't be making any 360 games either if the architecture weren't similar to the PC's."

    Most sensible thing anyone has said in this entire thread.

  • systems #53 3 years ago

    Valve are nothing to do with the PS3 version, and never did want anything to do with it. EA begged them to let them do it in order to cash in and used their own team.

    It's up to EA to supply the updates, not Valve. Valve have always been working on Microsoft platforms and it's up to them what they do with their time and money.

    Similarly, EA will do a Left 4 Dead version and PS3 owners will be left without the updates for that as well.

  • haldier #54 3 years ago

    Make's you think twice before buying an EA game again...

  • sneetch #55 3 years ago

    @muftak
    "thats not the point gabe is a fat twat who is scared of doing anything new , apple offered to pay him a fortune for a mac version of HL2 but becasue he would have to code for mac he said no im to fucking lazy same with the ps3 a challenage comes up and hes too busy eating his porkpies and burger kings to care."

    This is obviously correct (because you want it to be) for, as everyone knows, Gabe is the only person in Valve who would possibly be able to do this port, everyone knows they don't have any other developers and nor do they need them because Gabe writes everything himself.

    Honestly, the stupidity and sheer broken logic from some of the posters on this site is amazing; if there was a decent enough market they'd do it. There, apparently, isn't a large enough market on Mac to justify the effort and neither, apparently, is there enough of a market on PS3. Too risky. Not everything is a conspiracy.

    @ronuds
    "I'd suspect Valve wouldn't be making any 360 games either if the architecture weren't similar to the PC's."

    Yep, you're right they wouldn't, the similarity of the 360 architecture means it's both "convenient" enough and "low risk" enough to be worth it. The PS3s funky architecture may well be capable of awesome feats of computational trickery but it's also awkward.

  • Coughthulu #56 3 years ago

    @Kangarootoo

    All I can really say is:

    +1

    (And don't forget the flight simulator, that always got a lot of points.)

  • JonFE #57 3 years ago

    kangarootoo, if it's any consolation (probably not), language rape is evident in my country (Greece) as well. As I was growing up, we used to have three different courses over the usage of our language (grammar, syntax and literature) at primary school, aiming to teach us all the quirks and twists of the modern Greek language (it can be very complicated I assure you).

    Nowadays, grammar and syntax have merged into one general course, where students are being taught mostly by example and are not learning the fundamental rules that govern our language. Combine that with the spreading *disease* of text/chat messaging, mostly in the form of "greeklish" (the fine art of writing in Greek using an English/Latin character set and whatnot) and the result is similar. Sad really...

  • ParanoidZombie #58 3 years ago

    No Ps3 version of left4dead + no Ps3 version of dead rising = ps3 doesn't have any good zombie game, which is reason enough not to buy the console IMO.

  • doragor #59 3 years ago

    @ muftak

    Gabe Newell eats Burger Kings? Roof tiles and all?

  • kangarootoo #60 3 years ago

    @Coughthulu

    Ah, but (if memory serves) all the points from all the tests just added up a headstart once the assault course came around. And that headstart would look pretty damn useless once some out of shape boffin found himself madly hopping at the base of the first wall, barely able to touch the top with his finger tips whilst the less cerebral marathon runner bounded up next to him and vaulted the wall with two carefully placed steps.

    This massive design error was later revisited in the form of short legged contestants suffering on the travelator in the Gladiators tv series.

    @JonFE

    "greeklish". Hehe, that is kind of funny... but also kind of awful.

    Like I touched on earlier, I am not against the evolution of language, and maybe esperanto is the way forward :) Replacing one form of grammar with another is just the way language changes I guess, but what I object to is replacing one form of grammar with nothing. Or just accepting sentences that are quite simply wrong (using hat instead of had is a common one in the UK).

  • Coughthulu #61 3 years ago

    @Kangarootoo & JonFE

    I don't understand how people like who dilute a language can feel they're doing languages a favour, the point of grammar/syntax to me is to allow people with different dialects to communicate as easily as possible; these new proposals simply smack of their originators trying to get their fifteen minutes of fame. Although if someone who's meant to be a bastion of the English language is seriously proposing this, it's time to pack up now and move to somewhere like Japan.

    Unfortunately, as soon as you mentioned Gladiators, I just started thinking about Sharon Davies. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

  • JonFE #62 3 years ago

    @kangarootoo and Coughthulu (: edit :)

    It's all part of a *globalization* process that the "powers that be" have designed for us. In order for us to *think* alike we must *speak* alike as well; we must lose our national identity by forgetting our history, altering our language, changing our everyday habits...

    ...either that or I'm a sucker for conspiracy theories, I guess :)



    PS The first time I heard some NPC in the streets of GTA IV calling me *stupid malaka* I laughed out loud :)
    Edited by 1 at 24/09/08 @ 16:51

  • kinky_mong #63 3 years ago

    " ps3 doesn't have any good zombie game, which is reason enough not to buy the console IMO"

    Unless you are an adult.

    Well any adult who doesn't like shooting zombies is clearly a bit wrong in the head, and therefore lacks the fundamental survival instinct that will lead to their demise in the inevitable zombie apocalypse.

    Left 4 Dead is top of the surprisingly large list of games I'm looking forward to in the next few months. One of the many reasons I'm glad I made the easy decision of getting a 360.

  • Coughthulu #64 3 years ago

    @JonFE

    Good God, all it makes sense now! First it'll be language, then emotions, then the next thing we know Christian Bale-alikes will be calling themselves Clerics and toting dual pistols! :)

    I do think you've hit the nail on the head though, Globalisation does appear to be speeding all this up. :-/

    /is a sucker for a good conspiracy.

  • ParanoidZombie #65 3 years ago

    @evilfoxhound: yeah, because only an immature person would refuse to buy a gaming console because it doesn't have the kind of games he likes. The most "adult" thing to do is clearly to buy the most expensive console in the market and just hope that a game he wants to play will eventually be ported from a less expensive platform.

    kinky mong wrote: "Well any adult who doesn't like shooting zombies is clearly a bit wrong in the head, and therefore lacks the fundamental survival instinct that will lead to their demise in the inevitable zombie apocalypse. "

    Spot on, mate. Emphasis on INEVITABLE.
    Edited by 1 at 24/09/08 @ 17:09

  • kangarootoo #66 3 years ago

    @JonFE

    "In order for us to *think* alike we must *speak* alike as well"

    Coughthulu make a good point in "the point of grammar/syntax to me is to allow people with different dialects to communicate as easily as possible". Its exactlky the structures that are being lost which ALLOW us to learn other languages more easily and communicate more easily.

    What these proposals fail to realise is that if we abandon grammar and puctuation in the UK, we will suddenly find that other countries are less able to understand what the hell we are on about.

    Its all very well John Wells waffling on about how we teach grammar and spelling in schools, but if we start ignoring our own dictionaries without letting the rest of the world know they will just think (quite right, I might suggest) that we have turned into a nation of illiterate imbeciles.


    I can't help feeling that there is something very fundamentally weak about, after all this time, saying that enforcing proper grammar is holding back our kids. If it didn't hold them back for the last 500 years, why now? It just feels like giving up on proper learning, just because it can 'be a bit tricky' sometimes and we seem to have got a bit shit at it over the last decade or so.

  • JonFE #67 3 years ago

    @ Kangarootoo,

    I fail to see what good will come out of all this, as well. As I see it, education in my country is failing us and that goes beyond language courses. It happens to maths and physics as well, which are being taught in a more practical than by-the-rules way.

    I fear that the ultimate goal is to have less-educated (or even uneducated) people, because they are easier to control. They can be trained to do something useful or productive, but they are more inclined to accept anything imposed to them than -say- object to it or try to establish a better standard of life.

    This may be a little too "Orwell-ish" for my liking :(
    Who knows, perhaps being in my late 30's and having a kid, brings out the grimmer side of me...



    PS Who knew that a news-post about TF2 and the PS3 would bring such a good conversation on the table...

  • makeamazing #68 3 years ago

    It does my head in more when people feel the need to swear all the time, spelling incorrectly is a pain to read (just like CAPS)... but its this continual need to act tough/sound hard or get anger across rather than just making a good point. But then its worse when you are just standing in WHSMith and some kids walk past swearing their heads off :( Perhaps its just because i've got kids but it seems people today have no manners at all. :/

    Anyway back on topic, Im not surprised that Valve are not directly supporting PS3, if they didnt do the port of TF2 then people cant expect them to support it. Was Left4Dead a MS exclusive because of MS or a decision by Valve? It is a shame if they ignore the PS3 as its selling ok and they would get a return off it. The person who said its 100% more work to move from XBOX to PS3 is totally incorrect... you certainly dont need to redo all of the assets and if your a smart company you can certainly have a set of code that would work on both machines... BUT you have to have done some work before you make a PS3 game. EA having developed lots of PS3 games would certainly have the capability to move a game over from the XBOX to PS3 easier.

  • kangarootoo #69 3 years ago

    @JonFE

    I'm rather more plain and cynical.

    So I shall take your conspiracy theory and raise you a "we took our eyes off the education ball for a bit during the post free-love baby boom, assuming that all kids really needed to get smart was enough freedom to express themselves, everything went tits up 'cos nobody was at the controls, and now we're not sure how to sort it all out" theory :)

    @makeamazing

    Man, don't even get me started on the subject of manners and common courtesy, or I might have to go all Jack the Ripper in the halls of WHSmith (only with rude kids as the brunt of my surgical meddling instead of music-hall style cockney hookers).


    @evilfoxhound

    Well zombies are all wrong in the head, I know that much. Maybe that is why smacking them in the head seems to be the only way to stop them doing wrong things (like eating you). Maybe you just have to "bash out the wrong" to make a zombie easier to deal with.

    Edit: for typos (which I maintain are not the same as spelling mistakes).
    Edited by 1 at 24/09/08 @ 18:14

  • hiddenranbir #70 3 years ago

    lol typical EA.


  • mr_ruberfon #71 3 years ago

    @ kangarootoo

    "@mr_ruberfon

    P.s. There are plenty of words I can't spell correctly, but then there are plenty I can (we could have a spell off if it would make you feel better).

    Whether I check the spelling of a word depends on the value I attribute to its correct spelling. On here, that value = 0"

  • stevethemeat #72 3 years ago

    Obviously the ps3 version of the orange box was not a huge seller otherwise there would be updates, EA have decided that it is not cost effective to do so.

    I think that we can see this trend continuing for the forseable future as the ps3 does not have anything near the 360's attach rate, so even though the system is selling well, no one is buying the games.

    Imagine how bad a state the ps3 would be in if it didnt have a built in blu ray player, there would be no reason to buy one.

  • septimus #73 3 years ago

    Lazy tool. Just because he can't be assed (or doesn't have the talent) to design a new engine instead of rehashing the 10 year old crap he keeps relying on.

    I'll still get Left 4 Dead for 360, but it annoys me he dismisses the PS3 so easily.

  • onyxbox #74 3 years ago

    I'm amazed at the amount of people in these forums that feel the need to affirm their love for 360 so much so that I'm starting to wonder if some people are 'closet' PS3 fanboys.... personally I like to swing both ways... you get the best of both that way.

    Besides now that the 360 is almost the same price as it's own wireless adapter; if there are any PS3 owners out there that are a bit bi-curious then it wouldn't cost that much to give the 360 a go anyway.

    the biggest headache for me this year isn't who's going to sell more consoles but how will I find the time to experience all this gaming goodness this year.

  • JonFE #75 3 years ago

    @ kangarootoo

    Sir, you may very well have a point there! Liberals and their precious freedom. Discipline wasn't such a terrible thing now, was it?

    ;s)

  • Widge #76 3 years ago

    Siren Blood Curse = zombie game

  • kangarootoo #77 3 years ago

    "Lazy tool. Just because he can't be assed (or doesn't have the talent) to design a new engine instead of rehashing the 10 year old crap he keeps relying on."

    Welcome aboard, you are a little late but we've saved you a chair and I'm sure you'll catch up.

  • menschenfracht #78 3 years ago

    @kangarootoo
    @JonFE

    I think that every language is living on its own. If you remember the beginning of the last millennium - it was a milestone for the English language, wasn't it? But times change. The era of paper and pencil is almost over - and these were precisely the times (back from the 17th century, I believe), when you needed to be a literate man. Maybe now it's the time to refer to something new - a cane for those who don't even bother how to walk, so to say. Maybe my mother, when she was of my age, would have been very dissapointed to know that her son is capable to manage well without writing a word during two years or even more. But times change. (Maybe next generation of forums will be based on video messages and we'll all be into avatars, brushing our teeth and swallowing pebbles).

    My second point is that literacy always was a trait of a well-educated man. Aristocrate, or, maybe, one of intelligentsia, if I were to use a word of my own mothertongue. Everyone can't be literate - we aren't living in a perfect world.

    And the last point - about this professor and his propositions. In fact I stumble upon such projects nearly two times a year (concerning Russian language essentially). At first glance they make me laugh alright. But then I almost always get contaminated by the spirit of these madmen (and they are madmen indeed, like da Vinci) - wth? let the progeny sort it all out .) Modern languages got tied to these alphabets, they need a real good shake-up .) And from all the languages I've studied, it seems the English hurts for a new spelling rules the most. Oh, yeah, and maybe Japanese - the same island isolation, the same degree of another language contamination. Nope, no conspiracy whatsoever (except for the fact that Coca and Pepsi are the same company trying to escape from the grasp of the antimonopoly law).

    Not that I defend those illiterate juveniles .)

    Oh, and by the way, the education in our country has 'gone West' too, in both senses. If you don't know this, Russian higher education is free. In Soviet period, it was all about enthusiasts (I still think that was the greatest achievement of Communists - giving the people a dream to fight for), nowadays almost nobody goes teaching - the payroll is ridiculous. All the state government is bothered with is the price of barrel and imperial ambitions. Maybe it's just that the 20th century has ended, and the world is back to feudalism - why do we need literacy when living in feudalism? Somehow or other, the Soviet education didn't get acclimatized on the Democratic Russian soil. The result is the same as in your countries - everybody thinks he can speak, but almost nobody gets it right.

  • kangarootoo #79 3 years ago

    @menschenfracht

    Thats some good info dude, cheers for the input. I know that language is always evolving, and sometimes I think I am just getting grumpier as I get older.

    I keep returning though to this apparently growing principle of moving the goalposts because we are no longer up to the challenge.

    Is John Wells suggesting that we teach phonetic spelling in our schools, or just leaves kids to make up their own syntax? If he is suggesting the former then perhaps all he is suggesting is bringing forward an evolution of our language, but if he is suggesting the latter then I'm not sure how he believes communications will not suffer. Will the kids of today be able to communicate with the generation that follows then? If each generations get to work out the english language for itself, I suspect not (as well, at any rate).

    And as I said before, it seems to have worked ok in the past, but of late we appear to be finding new names to call "failing education" so that we can pretend its not going wrong. What next, we change or remove parts of the scientific curriculum to avoid "holding back" kids who aren't able to grasp basic physics?

    It seems to me that the whole purpose of academia is that you pursue knowledge of a given subject in a given direction (i.e. learn more, expand your knowledge, not contract it). Now you are quite right that, historically razor sharp literacy was in the hands of the rich. But if at any time a "poor person" was fortunate or driven enough to increase their literacy, their target would be exactly the same as anyone else speaking the same language, regardless of status.

    To now suggest that, in the name of empowering kids who can't spell properly, we should change the structure of the language they learn is surely going to push said kids into learning what many will describe as "idiots english". The employers of this world learnt english the "old way", and the kids from the current generation that are heading toward Oxford and Cambridge will gace the same skills. A two tier system will simply divide kids into two groups - those who managed to learn their native language, and those that were risk of being "held back" and (to use the language of this arena) got taught the tard version instead.

    Like I said, any CV that turns up my desk with l33t spelling and absent grammar throughout it is not going to win favour with me, and I feel great pity for any future cadidate who find their CV discarded, not through fault of their own but because they are simply writing in the way they were taught to write at school. How am I as an employer supposed to tell the difference?

    Edit: typos abound, but I can't be arsed to fix them (of the hypocrisy).
    Edited by 1 at 25/09/08 @ 12:41

  • SomaticSense #80 3 years ago

    "Pyro, Medic and Heavy updates as well as community-made maps are already available for PC, and will be heading to Xbox 360 in the future."

    They promised those for the 360 ages ago, supposed be be out in March or April or somesuch. I'm not getting my hopes up to be honest.