No More Heroes Comments by Tom Bramwell

Nice!

/reads review

It was sounding like a 6 near the beginning but pick up toward the end.

Will probably buy this, although it doesn't appeal to me much at all :(

This may be the final straw for holding out on getting a Wii.

Stop taking my cash Nintendo!

Censored blood must totally kill the atompshere and on principal makes it a very hard decision to buy this!

Surely you would cut glass with smooth edges, not jagged ones :P

Wood, perhaps, or a particularly robust loaf of bread.

Now Killer 7 was a game in the context of which you could have started talking about Kubrick.

I'm really not sure about No More Heroes.

I'm not sure how that review makes me feel :-S

Looks rubbish.

Interesting review. Occasionally a little too quirky for its own good (much like the game itself, I suspect) :)

Is Killer7 worth picking up? I'm all for obscure, flawed games, but sadly lack time to play everything I'd like. Is K7 actually fun to play?

I really need to play Killer 7 again before I buy this. Never really gave it much of a chance.

"Dreamcast visuals"

So, it looks better than a PS2 game then?

:p

Quite a spread of scores on this one: Edge and Gamespot both gave it 9, which is pretty gushing by their standards, whereas IGN and Game Informer gave it 7.8 and 6, which likewise is pretty poor. I'd say it at least looks interesting enough for a rental, and it's nice to see something a little different...

Also, how does the ironic drudgery and repetition compare to the unintentional drudgery and repetition of Assassin's Creed?

I really like the cell shaded lo-fi visuals for some reason.

Yeah, the reviews all tend to be "it's flawed but you ought to play it".

Hopefully it'll be in bargain bins soon.

Killer7 is hard to judge. I thought it was one of the best games I played on the cube. Has a really nice background story as well.

Don't quite know what to make of that.

So will this be the final nail in the "Wii has no good games!" coffin?

I hope so.

/pre-orders this
/goes off to play Mario Galaxy and Zack & Wiki
/looks at Strikers, Geometry Wars and Metroid sitting on shelf and feels guilty

Should've been another 10. Can't you see what Suda was trying to say?!

monkie king - "Is K7 actually fun to play?"

I don't think so. Run along totally linear rails, stopping to shoot bad guys or to solve wierd puzzles. To odd for its own good; the basic shooting mechanics aren't even up to much.

Personally I enjoyed Killer 7 and it was one of the rare non-handheld games (I don't get much time at home with the TV) that I started playing and sped through to completion in a couple of days. It's quirky, and not for everyone, but I thought it's style was good, and the on-rails movement (despite sounding a very bad idea) worked surprisingly well at avoiding pointless corners etc. Plot can be confusing and has many layers (and there was a Japanese book just about explaining some of the plot (available translated on the old inter-web if you search)) but it works and drives you on. Sound effects were cool too.

Probably dirt cheap to pick up now (especially PS2 version, although I played the apparently superior GC version).

It was nicely different in play-style from most other games.

As for No More Heroes it's tempting, although the censored/non-censored arguments have left me a little more cautious as own a PAL Wii...

No matter how many reviews I read, I can't tell whether I'm going to love this game or hate it. I hope it turns up among the rentals soon...

@groovemeister: "It's clearly a 71/0 at most"

Get you, with your pretentious post-modern "undefined number" scoring system.

I love the look of the game graphically but I'm unsure whether I'll actually enjoy the game or not. I think I'll check it out when it drops in price as Devil May Cry 4 and The Club are out next Friday and I know I'll enjoy those as I've played the demos.

Ohh, so if it's _meant_ to be crap, it gets high marks. I seeee....

Make a note, Sonic Team!

I loved K7 tobits and this sounds like I will LOVE it just as much.
\o/
I'm such a lucky guy me. Yes yes.

God I'm so fortunate.

/a winner is me

I'm surprised this ended up being an 8, given the tone and content of the review.

>It's clearly a 7/10 at most.

So have you actually played it to garner that opinion?

Its not censored, ubisoft simply added the blood for the american version.

Shit review btw, I didnt know wtf u were on about 1/4 of the time.

"Ohh, so if it's _meant_ to be crap, it gets high marks. I seeee.... "

No, what they're saying is that if the game was more polished and the hub world more interesting then it would have gotten a higher mark, it got an eight based on the style and raw fun of the areas up to and including the boss fights.

Good review even though I also am not sure if I will like it or not:). But it made me interested in the game which is a good thing. It feels like the January game draugh is finally over and we again have a good selection of games to get on all consoles.

Wow, kind of makes me sad that I sold my Wii .... :(

Played the Japanese version and actually didn't like this. The shake wiimote to recharge was fun for the first few goes, then just plain annoying. The retro graphics are not as sharp or detailed as killer Seven and look particularly bad on a HD TV. As for the map intentionally being useless. I don't think that's the case as it's constantly refered to for navigation. I'm going to give this a wide berth and go back to paying Zack and Wiki.

Sound all around really fucking crap.

"Its not censored, ubisoft simply added the blood for the american version."

They withdrew the blood from the Japanese and EU versions to avoid getting too high a rating. There's no doubt based on Suda's earlier games that the bloody version was the original idea.

This review puzzles me - I certainly wasn't expecting an 8. It almost feels like the reviewer doesn't quite feel right about the end score and is trying to spin enough positives out of it (ie. the map) to justify the conclusion. Rather like Burnout Paradise, I think this will be a rental/try before I buy job.

Feanor...they removed blood from the jap version my fucking arse. Those guys are the most blood thirsty nation I know of.

I'd say that no, K7 is not fun as a game qua game (it's kind of like resident evil 1 with even less freedom, if that's possible). If you're a designer, it's worth a look because it experiments loads more than most games, and although it generally fails, it's worth looking at and understanding why it fails. Cool graphics though.

So, I guess I'd recommend it for academic interest, but if you just want to play something for enjoyment, it's skippable.

50/50 on this game.

The combat and overall concept of the game sounds appealing, but the technical flaws I'm not so fond of. Kind of surprised the developers haven't managed to polish the game to the extent which I expect from Nintendo games (for example, I haven't yet played a high-rated Gamecube/Wii game that has technical issues).

Maybe it'll be like God Hand: pretty bad to look at, with some dodgy design choices, but a blast to play for the most part.

This review puzzles me - I certainly wasn't expecting an 8. It almost feels like the reviewer doesn't quite feel right about the end score and is trying to spin enough positives out of it (ie. the map) to justify the conclusion.

I'd say it's more the case that the reviewer knows this is one of those divisive, 'arthouse' games and has written a provocatively ambiguous review to suit (apologies Tom).

Want.

Possibly looking forward to this more than Mario.

"The absence of blood from Rising Star's PAL release also means that your enemies explode in showers of black pixels rather than an Eli Roth ketchup fantasy" - Outrageous - who is responsible for this?

I've played through the game 2.5 times and like it a lot, but I understand a lot of Tom's cricitism. The game's closest comparison is God Hand, where it is repetitive as hell, but rarely ever dull. Granted the combat system isn't quite as developed, but still more than good enough to hold its' own (a bit like Zone of the Enders 2 perhaps). The only downside is the repetition of side missions in order to raise cash to progress through the main game. These parts of the game aren't awful and they're well-paced enough to be addicitve for short periods of time until you get to the next main mission, but they do grate after awhile (especially in subsequent playthroughs). Still, even with a bit of superfluous filler here and there, the bulk of the game is a fantastic action game in its' own right with a bold and brilliant style all it's own and easily the best third party game made for the Wii.

Note: I'm talking about the American version. The lack of blood wouldn't ruin it for me, but it will for some. You know who you are.

PROTIP, guys - if you're saying things like "I'm not sure how that review makes me feel :-S" or "Will probably buy this, although it doesn't appeal to me much at all :(" or "Don't quite know what to make of that." or "I'm surprised this ended up being an 8, given the tone and content of the review." or "This review puzzles me - I certainly wasn't expecting an 8. It almost feels like the reviewer doesn't quite feel right about the end score and is trying to spin enough positives out of it (ie. the map) to justify the conclusion." then i'm pretty sure the game isn't for you!

i read the review and came away even more sure that i'd be buying this day 1. the 'flaws' don't sound like they'll bother me, the 'good bits' sound fucking brilliant and an 8 out of 10 seems more than reasonable. but hey, i liked assassin's creed too, maybe i'm just MAD.

you don't have to like everything that everyone else likes, you know.

Maybe it'll be like God Hand: pretty bad to look at, with some dodgy design choices, but a blast to play for the most part.

Yep, it really reminded me of God Hand.

It's a game that's totally in love with the fact that it's a game, and makes no apologies for that. More importantly, it represents some of the most satisfying motion control on the console.

As for the blood, in all but one area, it makes more sense to go with black pixels and flying coins. The one time the US version seems like a great idea is in the 100-man battle, which - as NGamer put it - is like an homage to The Bride Vs The Crazy 88 fight from Kill Bill: Volume One.

It's the sort of game that you'll either totally adore, or it'll leave you fairly nonplussed. Either way, it's worth a go - if only to support such balls-out bravery in creating something that's both utterly barmy and a joyous celebration of the medium we all love.

Samaran's right. This sounds like one of those games where you like it for it's personality, even if it looks a bit dodgy and bores you silly sometimes. Bit like your girlfriend.

I would have bought this game if they didn't take out the blood. Bummer... :-(

Also, you people do realise that Suda actually said in an interview that the blood wasn't in there originally? The original version had this black stuff. They put the blood in for the Americans, because apparently they like their media "ultraviolent".

That is, unless he's just lying.

>because apparently they like their media "ultraviolent".


Apparently so do geeky brits, who seem to value red pixels over whether or not a game is actually any good..