No homosexuality in Star Wars - BioWare

By Ellie Gibson Published 28 April, 2009

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  • bad09 #1 3 years ago

    gay...

  • mingster #2 3 years ago

    was it jar jar binks

  • Waffleaber #3 3 years ago

    I've always though Boba Fett was gay.

  • Lukree #4 3 years ago

    "these are terms that do not exist in Star Wars"

    Thanks to BioWare & Lucas imperium for supporting more open and liberal world!

  • menage #5 3 years ago

    Jeez. Talking about dropping a few levels on the cool scale there. Anyone still wonder why games can't be seen as mature and adult entertainment if a pretty common subject is outright banned and never to be spoken about.

    Fuck you and your hetero universe.

    Edited by 1 at 28/04/09 @ 09:20

  • Spielo #6 3 years ago

    I really shouldn't let stupid shit like this make me as angry as it does, but I find this utterly infuriating.

  • Goffee #7 3 years ago

    But C3P0 always needed lubrication

  • Freek #8 3 years ago

    Sounds like nice PR clusterf#ck in the making. I geuse they diden't learn from the Live PR dissaster from a few months ago.

  • Ninja_Tino #9 3 years ago

    Terms don't exist in Star Wars? Ha, could he have wrote a more stupid reply. What a knob. This is not something I expected to see from a big company.

  • Shrui #10 3 years ago

    Kiss another dude != Star Wars

    Kissing your sister = Star Wars

  • mingster #11 3 years ago

    gofee is right it was obviously c3p0 he liked golden oil showers

  • ZuluHero #12 3 years ago

    Before anyone says anything, Obi-Wan's love for Qui-Gon was purely platonic...

  • PlugMonkey #13 3 years ago

    I always suspected George Lucas was a nazi.

  • deadmonkeyuk #14 3 years ago

    Star Wars = Iran

  • Shrui #15 3 years ago

    Also, they were pretty cool about Obi Wan being a gay paedophile in the Family Guy special.

  • des #16 3 years ago

    Ah poor gays...

  • SpaceMidget75 Verified Senior Software Developer, Minerva Computer Services #17 3 years ago

    Doesn't bother me as I'm not gay.

    /runs

  • Plewt #18 3 years ago

    Bioware - lacking taste and style ever since BG2.

  • MisterCraig #19 3 years ago

    Just thought I'd add to the general opinion.

    This is very stupid. Bioware +100 renegade/ evil points

    i.e. you're idiots.
    Edited by 1 at 28/04/09 @ 09:38

  • Plewt #20 3 years ago

    Spacemidget genocide...

    Doesn't bother me since I'm not a spacemidget.
    Edited by 1 at 28/04/09 @ 09:40

  • kangarootoo #21 3 years ago

    Feeble.

  • PearOfAnguish #22 3 years ago

    So weird alien sex and incest is okay, but you can't kiss another dude?

  • Beek4257 #23 3 years ago

    Did anyone check whether the term 'hetero' exists in Star Wars (/Bioware forums)? If not, then it's sort of a bit less wrong I guess. Maybe.

  • ManicDrunkMonk #24 3 years ago

    Bioware: making games set a thousand years in the future, with values from a thousand years in the past.

    Bioware, time to grow up!

  • peak_performance #25 3 years ago

    Well actually Star Wars is set a very long time ago...

  • Kelduum #26 3 years ago

    From Wookieepedia, the Starwars Wiki: "Homosexuality and same-sex marriage were apparently accepted by the Mandalorians, as Goran Beviin and Medrit Vasur were an openly homosexual married couple living on Mandalore, who were fully integrated into Mandalorian society."
    [link url=http://sta rwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalorian
    ]http://sta rwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalorian
    [/link]

    So, yes, there is homosexuality in Star Wars.

    Edit: Damn you links!
    Edited by 1 at 28/04/09 @ 10:00

  • Xerx3s #27 3 years ago

    "Sounds like nice PR clusterf#ck in the making. I geuse they diden't learn from the Live PR dissaster from a few months ago."

    You mean the PR disaster where they are trying to protect gay users from pricks and are openly in discussion with gay rights groups about how they can improve their service in this respect?

  • Daymare #28 3 years ago

    Sean Dahlberg wrote, "As I have stated before, these are terms that do not exist in Star Wars. Thread closed."

    We don't actually live in a Star Wars universe, idiot. Which is totally gayish anyway.

  • InsoFox #29 3 years ago

    Wow, I'm normally not one to get riled up about stuff like this because the way I see it it's still a thorny issue that people have a hard time dealing with, whether we like it or not. But I've never seen it handled in such an offensive way - not even Microsoft's recent shenanigans match up to this.

  • robg #30 3 years ago

    Man, they are being so gay about it.
    </WhatTheyAreBanning>
    Edited by 1 at 28/04/09 @ 10:03

  • GamesConnoisseur #31 3 years ago

    Arrgh! No chance of seeing two gorgeous females of whatever species getting together?! Bugger and darn them to hell!

  • Meho #32 3 years ago

    A long time ago, in a galaxy far away, before homosexuality was invented...

  • Kluff #33 3 years ago

    You know, while Star Wars is a universe of gigantic proportions, with countless stories/characters/planets, it's the small personal space between people that is in parts still unexplored. There are still many question marks in this area and, apparently, some want to let them remain.
    I guess the clear distinction between good and evil vanishes for Bioware when homosexuality comes into play?

    Well, I'm not angry about it, I was kinda surprised when I heard that KotOR featured a lesbian character, it's not what I expected from this franchise. That the discussion was so outright blocked is kinda infuriating, though. Like it shouldn't exist. Like they don't want to hear about it. Like, without acknowledging homosexuality and without it happening, the world would be a better place.

    Now, that's the most pretentious reply I ever wrote. Hooray!

  • wittynic #34 3 years ago

    If the campest space-opera fantasy in the world doesnt have gays and lesbians, there is something very wrong with that galaxy.

  • TheSnotGoblin #35 3 years ago

    It seems strange coming from Bioware seeing as they've peppered their games with homosexual characters for years now. Mainly lesbians (sound marketing after all) like Juhani the gay cat lady in KotOR but certainly Jade Empire included hot man on man action (and threesomes).

    But every other one of their games has been made by Bioware in Edmonton, Canada. The Old Republic is being made by Bioware Austin. In Texas. Which means their outlook kinda makes a little more sense.

    I expect to see some kind of about turn on the issue.

  • Pike #36 3 years ago

    I bet some PR persons at Bioware feel their ulcers acting up right now.

  • Ninja_Tino #37 3 years ago

    Bloody Southern Americans then. Anyone see Miley 'I'm a Twat' Cyrus on Jonathan Ross? She did not acknowledge the Four Puffs once, nor the Piano for that matter.

  • DFawkes #38 3 years ago

    Mental Process He Missed Before Opening His Big Mouth:

    "Are there any characters that can be made gay in the game I'm the Community Manager of?"

    If yes, don't create a new homophobic policy. Else, continue.

  • Buztafen #39 3 years ago

    Ive heard Bioware melt babies......and gay people....

  • Eraysor #40 3 years ago

    Useless Bioware.

    Reputation -1

  • kinky_mong #41 3 years ago

    "Talking about dropping a few levels on the cool scale there."

    A company who make Stars Wars games are already rock bottom on the cool scale.

  • Maykael #42 3 years ago

    Star Wars The Old Republic - A game about the old christ.. jedi values where a marriage should only be between a man and a female wookie or a twi'lek and a mandalorian or a clone male and a clone female under the blessing of Go.. the Force! Hey there's something wrong about this..

  • spidermanalf #43 3 years ago

    Boba Fett is not gay,

    [link url=http://ww w.sing365.com/music/Lyric.nsf/Fett's-Vette-lyrics-MC-Chr is/16FF523D3B5C945548256E8400077790
    ]http://ww w.sing365.com/music/Lyric.nsf/F...[/link]

    It says so in his song! Lyrics above

    Song below

    http://mc-chris-boba-fett-mp3-download.k...

  • j-bo #44 3 years ago

    Regular reader from Gaygmer here:

    You know what I love about Eurogamer - I read about this on kotaku and invariably the general brunt of responses is the generic, ignorant "hyukk hyukk gee maw those them there faggots are sick, hyukk hyukk", then I come here and read some actual intelligent, liberal, open minded responses from folks who aren't necessarily biased towards the LGBT community, yet can see stupidity and bigotry when they spot it regardless.

    you folks rock.

  • keyboardmonkey #45 3 years ago

    Just mentioning the words "homosexual", "lesbian" and "gay" on a forum means all the forum members are more susceptible to catching the Aids

    Doh! what have i done... we are all doomed..

  • Azazel #46 3 years ago

    Reputation -2

  • Monkey_Puncher #47 3 years ago

    So it's okay for a guy to kiss his own sister in Star Wars, but no homo sexuality whatsoever?

    Something isn't right there...

  • Embra #48 3 years ago

    Guess Anthony Daniels won't be appearing in any Bioware games in the near future.

  • smoothn00dle #49 3 years ago

    What is the big deal? Self-censorship is the worst. Bioware even have a gay character in their game.

    Persona4's main character is gay inside. Gay is not scary, what scarier is how outside world treat them like they don't exist. If STar war has a gay character in the new movie, it would be a classic instead it give us full of BS characters. Learn from Kojima, man!

  • Plewt #50 3 years ago

    @Coin-Op

    If only we could keep you out of the internetz.

  • schnide #51 3 years ago

    Nice one Bioware - I'm boycotting your games until you smarten up.

  • Darren #52 3 years ago

    I don't see what all the fuss is about myself, it's BioWare's forum so they can set the rules which people have to follow. If people want to discuss homosexuality in Star Wars or BioWare games then there's plenty of other places they can do it such as Eurogamer for example. Right?

  • Darren #53 3 years ago

    P.S. I cannot see why anyone would want to discuss the sexuality of fictional characters anyway. Seems a bit silly and pointless to me.

  • Miths #54 3 years ago

    "It seems strange coming from Bioware seeing as they've peppered their games with homosexual characters for years now. Mainly lesbians (sound marketing after all) like Juhani the gay cat lady in KotOR but certainly Jade Empire included hot man on man action (and threesomes)."

    My money is on LucasArts (or whoever BioWare is dealing with in terms of licensing) being to blame for this ban.

  • Plewt #55 3 years ago

    @Darren

    On my forums you can't discuss jewish stuff cause I don't like jews. What? It's my forums and I can set whatever rules I want amirite?!?!
    Edited by 1 at 28/04/09 @ 12:25

  • Kluff #56 3 years ago

    Okay, kinda overlooked that Bioware not only banned the discussion, but also banned the users discussing the issue!
    Well, that's just wrong. Don't they have something called Company Policies? I wonder how they look like? Tssk...
    Edited by 2 at 28/04/09 @ 12:35

  • Kluff #57 3 years ago

    One question though: Were the users banned just because of the discussion of homosexuality in Star Wars? Or was there something else!? I mean, I don't want to start a riot for nothing! ;)
    Edited by 1 at 28/04/09 @ 12:37

  • kangarootoo #58 3 years ago

    Apparently bigots don't get out of bed until 11am.


    "Don't they have something called Company Policies? I wonder how they look like?"

    They almost certainly don't have a company policy on something like this, as a closed policy like that that would leave them open to direct critisism. So in the end it comes down to individual "community managers" (far less senior a role than it sounds) to amke up the rules as they go. Often as not, low paid moderators aren't able to think on their feet OR consider the wider picture. So they end up cack-handedly dealing with situations like this the best way they know how... which is very badly.

  • kangarootoo #59 3 years ago

    "GAYS - bore the fuck outta me LOL"

    So does writing sentences, clearly. I'm willing to bet that school bores you too.

  • The_Inquisitor #60 3 years ago

    "GAYS - bore the fuck outta me LOL"

    So does writing sentences, clearly. I'm willing to bet that school bores you too.

    lol !! good one.

    I don't see why they didn't just let the topic burn itself out, which is always the best way to deal with an issue in the public domain, or at the very least move it to a more appropriate thread.

  • scarabium #61 3 years ago

    I somehow get the feeling that this may have been forced upon them by Lucasarts. He may have very specific rules pertaining to the Star Wars Universe (apart from it being okay to rape people's childhoods) and Bioware are the ones taking all the flak. Bioware may be in a no-win situation here. Mass Effect clearly demonstrates that Bioware are quite comfortable with homosexuality so I think the problem here is more Star-Wars-related than Bioware-related. Star Wars (despite protestations from many) was always geared towards children - even more so today. It may be some misguided attempt to retain some kind of "sense of wonder" without having to include serious real-life issues. Me, I couldn't care less if a character is gay and isn't the light saber just a phallic symbol anyway?

    Perhaps someone should investigate further before everyone starts crucifying Bioware.

    Lots of "what you can't do" but not enough "why you can't and who says you can't."

  • Sycopat #62 3 years ago

    Lets see, pretty sure bioware are fairly okay with gay relationships after mass effect. Also weren't you able to have a relationship with one of the female charachters in BG2 if female? (I may be remembering it wrong, but viconia or jaheira perhaps?)

    Just makes this sound a little off, a bit out of charachter for them...

    It's most likely a lucasarts thing, or a subject their trying to avoid, to avoid splitting the player base (lets face it, a lot of people won't play this game if its seen to openly encourage homosexuality. And a lot of people won't play it if it's openly anti-homosexuality. I don't know which number is bigger, but I do know which group will make more noise about it and rope in more of their non-gamer friends to protest it...)

  • kangarootoo #63 3 years ago

    @mr_writer

    "Its an unimportant topic, what the hell has sexuality gotta do wtih Star Wars?"

    What you are saying is the same non-argument that is always wheeled out in these cases. But the question as always is IF its an unimportant topic, why ban people from discussing it? Why do you actually go out of your way to involve yourself with something you are deeming to be unimportant? That just makes no sense.

    What your approach is really saying is "we would actively like to ban this activity, but expect most players won't care either way, so we expect they won't mind if we prohibit the activity in question".

    There is absolutely no reason for them banning this sort of activity, unless them themselves DO care about it and DO think it is an important topic. An unimportant topic is surely one that merits no attention from anybody, and yet here we have Bioware actively spending man hours banning it.

  • trooper6 #64 3 years ago

    For those who say sexuality of none of the characters is important in Star Wars, that isn't exactly true is it? The heterosexual desire between Amidala and Anakin was very important to the foundation of the plot. The heterosexual desire and the consumation of said between Han and Leia is very important in the extended universe.

    Desire/Love is talked about as something to be avoided for Jedi.

    Desire fuels the Twi'Lek sex trade.

    Jabba clearly had sexual desires for Leia.

    The universe does have sexuality in it. It does also have homosexuality in it (Juhani, extended universe Madalorians--which makes a lot of sense, etc).

    It makes sense people would ask about the HoYay in SWoR considering it's presence in KotOR...people want to know if that tradition is going to continue.

    But someone put the big smackdown banhammer on. I'm hoping, that this is a lone mod freaking out and not the company's stance.

    Anyway, lastly...there are those (mostly on Kotaku) who have said that Star Wars is George Lucas's world and if says no gays, then that is the way it is. Except, that it isn't just his world. His first wife was ghost writing/script doctoring on Empire/Jedi. The actors in the film held create what is happening. Then there is all of the stuff written by the authors of the extended universe in various formats. If Lucas's word was law, then the fans would not complain about Han Shooting second, or some of really dumb things he did with the new trilogy. This creative work is now in the universe and all of us are part creators. And as a collective, we say Han shot first, no matter what Lucas says. And there is enough canon evidence for the existence of homosexuality for this to be a non-issue.

    But some mod in Texas has got to be an ass.

  • Spekingur #65 3 years ago

    Does it mean that homosexuality doesn't exist in SW universe or that there is no term for homosexuality (or hetero sexuality for that matter) in the SW universe? As in, no one in the SW universe really cares enough for it to matter. At least, that's what I understood from what Mr. Dahlberg wrote.

    Remember people, that Bioware made Mass Effect. And that Sean specifically talks about the Star Wars universe, which has nothing to do with Bioware policies.

    Edit: If I wasn't clear. Sexuality matters to us, humans on Earth. From what I see, going by Sean Dahlberg words, sexuality doesn't matter to the creatures that inhabit the Star Wars universe. Thus they have no terms like homosexuality or heterosexuality or gay or lesbian or bisexual, etc. I think alot of people are jumping on the Stupid(tm) bandwagon here.
    Edited by 1 at 28/04/09 @ 13:56

  • trooper6 #66 3 years ago

    I think the argument that it is only the terms that don't exist not the activity is probably not going to fly. Because I somehow doubt the mod would be okay with graphic discussion of sex acts that avoided identity labels.

    "Juhani is clearly gay" seems a much more family freindly discussion than, "I understand that sexuality labels don't exist, but it is clear to me that Anakin likes to put his **** in Amidala's **** and probably multiple times, don't you think? Do you also think that he ********. But considering he's a Jedi, I'd imagine that when he ******* with her she'd ******** around him with a ********* but only if they both ****** with a ******"

    People complain about labels...but they are quick way to avoid talking about people licking on other people in detail.

  • Corben_Dallas #67 3 years ago

    those fags :p

  • Beek4257 #68 3 years ago

    "Juhani is clearly gay" seems a much more family freindly discussion than, "I understand that sexuality labels don't exist, but it is clear to me that Anakin likes to put his **** in Amidala's **** and probably multiple times, don't you think? Do you also think that he ********. But considering he's a Jedi, I'd imagine that when he ******* with her she'd ******** around him with a ********* but only if they both ****** with a ******"

    And maybe B my L on some T's.

  • Freek #69 3 years ago

    "Sounds like nice PR clusterf#ck in the making. I geuse they diden't learn from the Live PR dissaster from a few months ago."

    You mean the PR disaster where they are trying to protect gay users from pricks and are openly in discussion with gay rights groups about how they can improve their service in this respect?

    Yes, that started with MS looking extremly bad and then they came around. Bioware could have learned a lesson from that and avoided this mess.

  • kangarootoo #70 3 years ago

    @mr_writer

    But Star Wars isn't something so simple as a piece of wood, or a receipe for fish. It is an ENTIRE ficticious world. If someone started talking about golf, or riding a bicycle, would they ban those discussions as well on the basis that those things don't exist in Star Wars?

    In fact it has been suggested by others more familiar with the source material than sexuality IS in fact part of the Star Wars world. In any event, the response was really just someone trying to form an non-offensive answer to justify what they knew to be a potentially offensive action.

    We all know what this boils down to. Its got nothing whatsoever to do with the continuity of the SW universe. That is the feeble excuse the community manager gave out in his paniced state. But if that were true we would also be seeing the golf and bicycle bans that I suggested earlier, but of course we won't.

  • Pike #71 3 years ago

    Its a forum about a Star Wars MMO not about sexuality. Why oh why do people have to make a big song and dance about sexuality in a GAME ffs.

    Because it's a goddamned MMORPG aimed at adults, to a large extent,, you muppet. People often play those to ROLE play. Sometimes that involves sexuality. Just because most of us play MMO's to kill monsters and get loot that doesn't mean the roleplayers are some insignificant part of the userbase. It should be natural for an MMO developers to be prepared for discussions about gender roles , sexuality or similar issues from that part of their userbase. Outright banning all such discussions, even if they aren't hateful or abusive, is massively bad PR. Sure it's Bioware's forum, so no one should be able to force them to allow discussions they don't want there. However i this case you can bet your ass that their PR department is filled with people cursing this community manage.
    Edited by 1 at 28/04/09 @ 14:16

  • Kluff #72 3 years ago

    The problem is that people were banned discussing homosexuality. That's the problem!
    Edited by 1 at 28/04/09 @ 14:20

  • Fixxxer #73 3 years ago

    What a bunch of idiots. Banning the terminology itself is egregious.

  • Feanor #74 3 years ago

    "Persona4's main character is gay inside."

    No he isn't. He sleeps with four or five different girls.

  • Feanor #75 3 years ago

    No homos in Star Wars, but all the incest you can handle.

  • j-bo #76 3 years ago

    @Darren, @mr_martin etc

    right, let's clear a few things up quickly

    1) sexuality pervades bloody *everything*.
    switch on a telly, open a magazine, listen to a song - it's there. watch some kiddies tv show where mummy and daddy are portrayed and the lil baby girl, oh look there it is again.
    The thing is heterosexuality is so knobbingly pervasive you're too stupid to notice it anymore. hence when people raise homosexuality you go, oh gods why raise it as an issue, when heterosexuality is raised as an issue *constantly*.

    2) this isn't about it being innappropriate, it isn't about it being a non issue - why exactly do you think this news post today, of all the other news posts on eurogamer, has, what, nearly 10 times the comments? Sexuality is important, which is why lgbt folks won't just shut up about it, and equally why the bigots will go out of their way time and time again to try and oppress it, because it's quite important to them that they do so (prob because they have invested in an insecure model of masculinity which is easily threatened by differance).

  • jeebthegreat #77 3 years ago

    the robots from battlestar galactica vs the gay robots from star wars...aah simpsons, thank you

  • Azazel #78 3 years ago

    "Jabba clearly had sexual desires for Leia."

    Eww[link url=http://www.]http://www.[/link] Don't say things like that!

  • skillian #79 3 years ago

    They relented and debaninated the words concerned: [link url=http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=2629 1&page=6
    ]http://ww w.swtor.com/community/showthrea...[/link]

    I feel sorry for mods sometimes - I used to do it for a job, and it can be hard work - but this was a very stupid way to handle it so I don't feel much sympathy for the guy...

  • AphoticCosmos #80 3 years ago

    I'm a TOR forum regular, and I have to say this issue has been completely overblown. The maturity levels of the TOR forums are by and large appalling. It generally consists of idiots going "LULZ I WNT A BLAK LITESABAR" and "LUL I WNT A LITEWIP".

    One LGBT user with perhaps two others expressed distaste in a 50-post thread about the words "lesbian" and "gay" being filtered that didn't get much attention from the community in general, because it was on a sub-forum that no-one reads. Given the level of maturity on the TOR forums, these words were inevitably be used as insults more than used in creative discussions, since perhaps 1 thread in 3 is actually interesting and worth replying to. Especially on the off-topic forums, I've seen an appalling level of homophobia from lots of spamming idiots, which is usually cracked down on hard by the mods. I think given the level of that sentiment, it was a wise decision to leave gay and lesbian filtered - they were used in an insulting manner in almost every thread that contained the word that I've seen.

    Said LGBT user's thread was locked and Sean's [community rep] post was made. I suspect that the poster went whining to Kotaku [who will print anything that gets more hits] and got Bioware some completely undeserved bad press. Bioware have since unblocked gay and lesbian on the forums, nobody was banned for posting in the threads as explained in a subsequent post by Sean, and it remains a fact that the statement simply refers to the words gay and lesbian, not gays and lesbians as some outlets and intellectually challenged people seem to claim. In case you hadn't noticed, Bioware has had LGBT interactions in at least two prior games - Mass Effect and Jade Empire. I can't think of a dev that has included more LGBT content than Bioware in their games. The problem was that Bioware didn't deem it appropriate for the words gay and lesbian to be used, not that they didn't think it appropriate for gay and lesbian relationships to be discussed - several threads discussing the possibility of homosexual relationships have sprung up in general discussion over the last six months and gone on perfectly fine until the crowd who used gay and lesbian in a derogatory manner showed up.

    It's simply that one poster took the filtering of two words totally out of context and whined, and now has essentially forced Bioware's hand. I am not impressed by him or his tactics, TBH. I am not impressed with Eurogamer on this - it's a completely meaningless story taken entirely out of context. Do your bloody research instead of reposting what Kotaku does.
    Edited by 2 at 28/04/09 @ 15:52

  • hiddenranbir #81 3 years ago

    So the Star Wars universe doesn't have homos. Big deal.

  • iokthemonkey #82 3 years ago

    Regardless of your views on sexuality, it's been stated in TOR that players will form "relationships" with their AI partners, including ROMANTIC ones.

  • kangarootoo #83 3 years ago

    @AphoticCosmos

    "It's simply that one poster took the filtering of two words totally out of context and whined"

    To my eyes it appears that exactly the opposite occurred. Bioware had in fact filtered two words completely out of context. Said words may have been used insultingly in the past, but in this case they were not and STILL got filtered.

    Seriously, to start banning words that COULD be used in an insulting manner is the absolutely height of stupidity. The vast majority of words that are used in insults are common place words. I can insult somebody in 50 different ways without even once straying from a list of words that would make for suitable broadcasting before the watershed.


    "The problem was that Bioware didn't deem it appropriate for the words gay and lesbian to be used, not that they didn't think it appropriate for gay and lesbian relationships to be discussed - several threads discussing the possibility of homosexual relationships have sprung up in general discussion over the last six months and gone on perfectly fine until the crowd who used gay and lesbian in a derogatory manner showed up."

    EXACTLY. It wasn't the words, it was the people that used them in a derogatory manner. And the solution is for Bioware to ban the words themselves? HOW that does not seem idiotic to everybody is beyond me. Its like a highbrow joke that Arthur C Clarke might make about a future eutopia ffs.

  • itsfuzzy #84 3 years ago

    I gonna take you a gay bar, im gonna take you a gay bar, im gonna take you to Mos Eisley Cantina, tina, ina

  • Sycopat #85 3 years ago

    @kangarootoo just because you have a vocabulary doesn't mean the average forum poster does.

    ____________________________________________________________ _________________________

    As more on this comes to light, I can understand the filtering of the words (Although I want to make it clear I don't actually condone it, I just tend to argue as devils advocate a lot because I tend to be able to see both sides in an argument.) based on their use.

    Here is a metaphor:

    A child has a toy, they enjoy it. A larger child comes and takes it from them, then enjoys beating the smaller child with it. An adult comes along and takes away the toy. Neither child is happy, but the adult gets some peace.

    Here the adult seemingly tried to pre-empt the screaming match by just not giving the kids their toys.

    Is this wrong? Yes, it's a cop out that does nothing to change or address the situation. The larger kid still likes beating the smaller one. Taking away the small childs favourite toy makes it seem he is being punished and merely forces the larger child to get more creative. (The small child as such starts crying and the large child starts taunting him... this metaphor is becoming more accurate than I had possibly imagined!)

    What should the adult do? Seperate the children to punish the larger child, give the smaller child it's toy back, but prevent the small child from taunting the large child with it.

    Can bioware do this? No. Videogame creators are not parental substitutes. The two sides of the argument may well be children though.
    Edited by 1 at 28/04/09 @ 20:02

  • kangarootoo #86 3 years ago

    @Sycopat

    Great parent analogy. Wish I'd thought of that ;(

  • Spekingur #87 3 years ago

    According to AphoticCosmos the words 'gay' and 'lesbian' (and probably among others) weren't allowed on the forums. Not in the game. How long have these forums been up? And how long has it been known that the above words were banned on the forums?

    Looks like another case of media madness over alot of nothing.

  • Moz #88 3 years ago

    No time to read all this! But the guy from the forum clearly hasn't seen the Clone Wars film!! Jabba the Huts Brother anyone??

  • kangarootoo #89 3 years ago

    @KingsXKing

    "HaHa Kangarootoo went to school so he could post lengthy bore posts on EG the clever cunt he is."

    Yep, thats it. That is why I went to school. So I could confuse and bore simpletons on the internet with basic common sense and words of more than two syllables.

    And with your contribution I guess I can now consider my life's ambition complete. Thanks for helping me out.

  • kangarootoo #90 3 years ago

    And in other news.

    [link url=http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/biow are-rethinks-policy-on-homosexuality
    ]http://ww w.eurogamer.net/articles/biowar...[/link]

    Wow, looks like Bioware have more common sense than many of the posters on here.

    /goes to thread to count the number of "buckled under pressure" and "pussies" comments from some of the great thinkers of our time.

  • TristanVTV #91 3 years ago

    It seems strange that homosexualilty is banned, but incest is fine (Luke and Leia kissing) Also wasn't Leia a (Sex?)slave in her gold bikini?
    This "gay ban" nonsense is discussed in the podcast http://www.visitin gthevillage.com along with other gaming news by indie games developers Ian and Paul. Its quite amusing, you should check it out if you got time.

  • Lamb #92 3 years ago

    Yes keep it out of the games. The forums don't really care. Although that guy was funny in Enchanted Arms, shocking at first but ultimately funny.

  • Skorms-Boss #93 2 years ago

    gay star wars character
    [link url=http://st arwars.wikia.com/wiki/Goran_Beviin
    ]http://st arwars.wikia.com/wiki/Goran_Bev...[/link]
    and he's a mandalorian!