No 80GB PS3 for Europe

By Games Industry.biz Published 21 May, 2007

That was quick.

A Sony spokesperson has confirmed to GamesIndustry.biz that an 80GB PlayStation 3 is to go on sale in Korea - but said there are no plans to launch the model in Europe.

News of the 80GB version emerged via a statement on the Sony Korea website, which said the 80GB version will launch there on June 16 priced at KWR 518,000 (EUR 412).

A spokesperson for Sony Computer Entertainment Europe confirmed that the information is correct, stating that the 80GB model will be the only one available in South Korea as there are no plans to launch the 20GB or 60GB versions there.

Nor are there any current proposals to make the larger hard drive-enabled model available here, according to the spokesperson, who told GI.biz, "At this moment in time, there are no plans to introduce the 80GB version of PlayStation 3 in Europe."

Rumours of an 80GB PlayStation 3 began to emerge in March after it was referred to in a filing issued by Sony to the US Federal Communications Commission for a class II permissive change.

The filing also included details of proposed changes to the console's Bluetooth feature. But according to the SCEE spokesperson, "The chassis of the 80GB Korean PlayStation 3 is identical to the chassis of the European version. The only exception is the larger hard drive."

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  • jonsaan #1 5 years ago

    Makes sense I suppose. given the huge broadband conenctions available there.

  • Stormflood #2 5 years ago

    200GB would make more sense if they plan to release a larger model, especially considering games like Warhawk and SOCOM will be downloadable.

  • RexRunti #3 5 years ago

    What's the point? Surely this will just keep manufacturing costs high as they'll still have two versions to make.

  • coojam #4 5 years ago

    They won't relaunch the PS3 until the rumble controller is ready.

  • bigbadbeasty #5 5 years ago

    @Stormflood

    Are 200gb hard drives available that fit in the PS3 available yet?

  • gizmo #6 5 years ago

    Ah, they obviously sellotaped the 20gb drives to the 60gb ones to get rid of them.

  • Killerbee #7 5 years ago

    The extra 20GB is really neither here nor there. That 412 Euro price tag on the other hand, sounds very attractive!

  • InfiniteFury #8 5 years ago

    So a press release announcing the launch of the 80GB model in Europe to be revealed next week then?

  • SIDEARM #9 5 years ago

    Who cares - where is my Blu-Ray free cheapo PS3?

  • macksed #10 5 years ago

    wow- that WAS quick!

  • CrumpledPaper #11 5 years ago

    You'll have this model in Europe once existing stock is sold through.

    It's as cheap for Sony to make this unit now as it is to make a 60GB unit. The only reason Europe or the US isn't seeing it immediately is because there's still 60GB stock in those areas to be sold.

  • The-Bodybuilder #12 5 years ago

    Not really a bid deal is it?
    If you want one, just replace your current one with a larger one.

  • ProtoformX #13 5 years ago

    Good observation Gizmo :-)

    I don't see why this amount of space is needed. I've never used more than a gig of my 360 hard drive. I just download stuff and then delete it once I've watched it/don't want it anymore. I know there's that TV on demand thing in the States, but if I really want a TV show in a format I can keep I'll get it on DVD.

  • Avenger1324 #14 5 years ago

    LOL @ gizmo!!

  • Steroyd #15 5 years ago

    When did Sony Europe know **** what happens at Sony?

    I'll wait for a reliable source.

  • lambtron #16 5 years ago

    They get it for 412 euros.

    No fair.

  • Skeletor #17 5 years ago

    Haha, 20Gigs more and over 180 Euros cheaper than over here!
    I just can't believe this shit, Sony is basically handing over the business key for Europe to the big fat cat called M$.

  • WickedDeeJ #18 5 years ago

    The price difference is practically enough to warrant the flight to South Korea to pick up one of these.

  • bigbadbeasty #19 5 years ago

    @Skeletor

    You would think so, but M$ are not doing very well in main land Europe... Maybe they are handing it over to Nintendo :)

  • Darren #20 5 years ago

    The PS3 seems to use around 13 GB of HDD space for the system so in effect adding a 80 GB HDD just means that the console really will have 60 GB available to use! LOL

    Seriously though, it doesn't bother me nor should it anyone else as you can pick up 120 GB HDD pretty cheap (less than the cost of the overpriced Xbox 360 one anyway) if you need more space. I've already fitted a 160 GB HDD in my PS3... it cost me £70.

  • jellyhead #21 5 years ago

    It's shenanigans like this that put me off getting a PS3. I don't want to subsidise the rest of the world getting better, cheaper PS3s. :(

  • Darren #22 5 years ago

    ProtoformX - "I don't see why this amount of space is needed. I've never used more than a gig of my 360 hard drive. I just download stuff and then delete it once I've watched it/don't want it anymore. I know there's that TV on demand thing in the States, but if I really want a TV show in a format I can keep I'll get it on DVD."

    You're forgetting that the PS3 has an HDD as standard and therefore games tend to use it more than they do on the 360 for caching or installing data to speed up loading times. Although most games offer these "installs" as an option, some don't, e.g. Oblivion installs 4.5 GB to the HDD the first time you play it without any prompting so you can imagine that if other games do this then your 60 GB HDD is soon going to be full before you even start downloading "arcade" games and game content. Home for example is said to use 0.5 GB so it all starts to add up. Obviously, it's not a problem if you only play two or three games at a time or don't intend downloading anything at all.

  • m0thr4 #23 5 years ago

    80GB? Meh.

    If I want more capacity, I'll buy myself a much bigger drive than that.

  • Overlush #24 5 years ago

    "Who cares - where is my Blu-Ray free cheapo PS3"

    It's being released soon. Called a '360 Elite' I believe...

  • Caimbeul #25 5 years ago

    80Gb for less than a 60gb here...They continue to urinate upon us from a great height.

  • seedaripper #26 5 years ago

    christ almighty!! ...shut the fuck up about the price...shut the fuck up about not wanting blu-ray...and shut the fuck up about the lack of rumble!!!
    *takes big intake of breath*
    it is getting on my tits now lads...on topic,YOU CAN BUY A SATA 250 GIG HDD and PLUG IT INTO THE PS3 IF YOU LIKE!!!!!!
    *feels sharp pain in left arm*
    ......

  • SIDEARM #27 5 years ago

    Man somebody needs a warm bath and a nice bar of indulgent chocolate.

  • Skeletor #28 5 years ago

    @seedaripper
    Why? Why looking away and pretending everyting is fine when the nice people at Sony EU are screwing us big time. Let them know every time news like this pops up. Huge price difference is part of the news btw. If you can't take the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen, mate.

  • chupachups #29 5 years ago

    "The PS3 seems to use around 13 GB of HDD space for the system"

    Heck, no wonder the 20gb model didn't sell very well!
    Edited by 1 at 21/05/07 @ 12:50

  • tag51 #30 5 years ago

    @seedaripper
    Hey man, 20gig is nothing Sony just took opportunity to upgrade a little bit, and I'm sure that will be the replacement for the 60gig. Real news is the price. And if Sony sold at that price here they wouldn't have to moan about lack of sales - they'd be moaning about lack of production capacity. I read over the weekend that Europe is the main console battleground - so why screw us on price? Because they can and we have no choice as they put up false barriers to make importing unattractive.
    The other way they screw us here is by claiming it won't be available here, cos they want us to clear the old stock for them first, with no sweetener.
    As its so easy to put in a 200gig, and the price difference is minimal, why don't they? Because ther're saving that for later to make it look like they're giving us something.
    Its all about the money....

  • seedaripper #31 5 years ago

    i would answer to the guys up top...but its difficult typing this on my psp on the way to the hospital with a suspected heart attack...
    ;)

  • chupachups #32 5 years ago

    "welcome to the grown up world where the wealthier countries pay more money for similar products in less wealthier countries."

    ...except that's a load of rubbish isn't it. America has a higher average income than Europe, yet the US PS3 costs about €450 while the European one costs €599.

  • kangarootoo #33 5 years ago

    @tag51

    "As its so easy to put in a 200gig, and the price difference is minimal, why don't they?"

    When you making a loss on every console you sell, and you are selling millions of them over the loss making years, you can't just chuck even a few dollars around the place.

    Its all very well describing the price difference as "minimal", but its actually more in the region of $40. I'll leave you work out the actual increase in cost to Sony if they took that hit on two million units sold (made up number for example, so please don't anyone bore me to suicide by complaining they've sold more/less than that).

    "Its all about the money...."

    Well of course it is. Thats business. Its always about money, otherwise why would they bother? If companies didn't consider money they would go out of business, which would means no consoles and no games for any of us. I know we like to think that some game corps do it for the love of gamers and games, but that is pure fantasy.

  • kangarootoo #34 5 years ago

    @chupachups

    "...except that's a load of rubbish isn't it. America has a higher average income than Europe, yet the US PS3 costs about €450 while the European one costs €599."

    You need top expand on your figures somewhat (and maybe give some links too). Average pay is not an indicator of the wealth of the overall populace, in fact its probably the least reliable guide if taken in isolation. As it happens America has one of the greatest rich/poor divides of any developed country.

    Just one of many links out there.

    http://mu ltinationalmonitor.org/mm2003/0...

  • rock27gr #35 5 years ago

    @ Kangarootoo

    Sorry man, but you are wrong. Not all of Europe is as high-paid as UK, but still the PS3 costs as much if not more than the UK

    Greece, for example, or Cyprus, where the median Salary was £774 (admittedly in 2003, but still)
    http://ww w.circa.europa.eu/irc/dsis/regp...

  • rock27gr #36 5 years ago

    To elaborate more, the PS3 is 350 Cy Pounds, so it costs almost half a paycheck to the median!

    But you have to understand that the median means not much, as nost paid workers are below it, and some are quite above it, as happens in all countries, but even if, say, all were getting the median, then you still need to eat, to pay rent, clothes, travel expenses, perhaps to raise your family.

    All this come out of those 770, so to spend half of it on a console is too much!

    (plus in the rest of europe there are countries worse off than Cyprus, so don't think everyone is like the UK)

  • tag51 #37 5 years ago

    @kangarootoo

    First, it might be $40 to us, not to Sony.
    Second, Sony is losing money as it needed to ship more PS3s, which it aims to achieve by selling at higher cost in Europe? With higher volume comes a much lower production cost.
    I'm not expecting anybody to do this for love, that was my point. Sony only make these decisions about money and volume, but when they make these decisions they take a conscious decision to screw Europe. Then come the arguments about PAL etc - which hardly applies to other products like PSPs, but they too had the price differential. Sony had a choice to be more competetive in Europe and could have cleaned up. They chose not to and so Joe Consumer decided to wait until the price comes down.
    Then games studios are saying if the volume doesn't go up they will switch development to Wii. That would really help Sony. Get the price down, volume up, then follows a large quantity of, hopefully, decent games. Sony were greedy and now its hurting them.

  • Skeletor #38 5 years ago

    @Egster
    You do know that they mean South Korea right, smartarse?
    Ever heard of any Eastern European countries? Yes, that's Europe too. Incredible, isn't it...
    I also wouldn't be so sure about the oh so high income in countries like Italy or Spain...

  • captain-future #39 5 years ago

    80GB probably because the HDD manufacturer dropped 60GB drives?

    Don't see the reason, 20GB is hardly enough if you use the "higher bandwidth" reasoning?

  • old_skool #40 5 years ago

    It don't know why some people are whining. The cost of making a 80Gig drive obviously came down, probably to the point where its cheaper to make 80Gigs than 60 Gigs.

  • rock27gr #41 5 years ago

    @ Old skool

    PS3 Europe = 600 Euro
    PS3 Corea = 412 Euro

    Do you get it NOW?

  • kangarootoo #42 5 years ago

    @rock27gr

    "Sorry man, but you are wrong. Not all of Europe is as high-paid as UK, but still the PS3 costs as much if not more than the UK"

    I don't believe I ever said that was the case. I simply made the point that average wage was not a reliable guide to overall wealth among the populace of a country. And I certainly didn't say that the UK was better or worse off than any other country in Europe. The initial comparison was made between the US and "other countries" unspecified. So I'm not sure we really disagree, do we?


    @tag51

    "First, it might be $40 to us, not to Sony."

    Oh come on man, I even went to bother of writing "made up number for example" to avoid this sort of thing. How much it costs is not really the point. I am just suggesting that whatever the cost, and however small it might appear, you have to consider it in the context of adding that cost onto a (at poijnt of sale) loss making unit that you are expecting to sell in the millions.

    Even $5 is a hell of a lot of cash to add on in that context. Businesses have factors of safety in their cash flow prediction as a matter of course, that doesn't mean they can just glibly say "lets just chuck in a bigger drive, it will only cost us an extra $X million over the next few years". If my money was invested in a company that was happy to do that sort of thing I would be worried.

    "Sony were greedy and now its hurting them."

    Whether that is true or not I think its a good example of what we are actually talking about. In fact I think you are saying that you think the move would actually benefit them in the end as a PR exercise. I would agree with you on that (as improving a package for no increase in customer cost is almost always good PR) if there were no other issues to consider.

    Its just in this case I don't think they really have a choice. The initial suggestion made was that "As its so easy to put in a 200gig, and the price difference is minimal, why don't they?". In this case I simply don't think the price difference is as minimal as it might appear at first, and that Sony couldn't afford to just bung in a bigger drive without being (rightly says I) accused of taking ludicrous risks with their shareholders money.

    All in all, they are pretty experienced at this sort of thing, so if they hold off on super sized drive options for a while, we can probably assume that is a wise thing to do. Anyway, we can always buy a larger drive ourselves and bung the existing one on eBay, so its not like we are without options in that regard. I realise that for those wanting a 200GB drive it would be cheaper if Sony bundled one for a cost increase, but they have to play to the majority market as any console maker has to at launch (where costs and risks are both at their highest).

  • rock27gr #43 5 years ago

    @ Kangarootoo

    Hmmm, well, if we don't dissagree than we must be agreeing!

    And it's me who is saying that UK is much better off than many EU countries. If I were to chose to stay here, I know I could start off with a nice salary of 22k, wereas if I go back to my country I'd be lucky to get 10k.

    Sure life is more expensive here, but when the PS3 (the point of this discyssion) is the same (almost) price in UK and in most of Europe with their lower income, then it clearly is overpriced not because of the relative wealth, but because Sony gets away with it.

    And I would think South Korea is a more wealthy place than most of Europe.
    Edited by 1 at 21/05/07 @ 15:33

  • Overlush #44 5 years ago

    Oh enough already! Too expensive for you? Don't buy it. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

    IMHO it's worth it's current price tag if you factor in all it can do. Don't want all it can do? Don't buy it!

  • zuljin #45 5 years ago

    @Skeletor
    "If you can't take the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen, mate."

    And applying similar logic to this sound piece of reasoning, "If you don't like the price of a console, ffs stop complaining about it and just buy a different one".

    @rock27gr
    "And I would think South Korea is a more wealthy place than most of Europe."
    I don't think so, and I think the fact so many things still get made in China/Taiwan/Korea is because labour is so cheap. But I'm not 100%

    "All this come out of those 770, so to spend half of it on a console is too much!"
    Americans are spending more than half, average US wage weekly: $810
    Console: $600

    EDIT: Just realised thats about the same as for me, less than quarter since I'm guessing the 770 was monthly? Dang you're getting screwed :)
    Edited by 1 at 21/05/07 @ 17:05

  • Overlush #46 5 years ago

    Anyhoo - half a weeks (or even a weeks) wages for something that does all the PS3 does and will last you at least 3-5+ years, maybe longer?

    Fucking bargain!
    Edited by 1 at 21/05/07 @ 16:55

  • Overlush #47 5 years ago

    Aaaaand another thing:

    I can't afford a TVR. No I mean REALLY can't afford one. That's a product that's sold with a MASSIVE markup too.

    All those whingers: can you TRULY not afford a PS3? Is it REALLY such a big ask? I mean, it's being sold at a considerable LOSS and you're STILL moaning?

    Sheesh - can't think of any other genre fans that would MOAN about a cutting edge product being sold at a loss. Fucking gamers, eh?

  • davisorle #48 5 years ago

    @rock27gr & kangarootoo

    Ok Greece average salary is = 600 Euros
    PS3 price is = 600 Euros

    Now go ahead and tell me if hating Sony as much as I do is so wrong o.O
    Ofc they will look after Koreans and all the sharpeyes from over there. That doesn't mean I have to put up with it. I just let them be and have nothing to do with their products. If they want to treat their ppl I have no reason to partisipate in such an overpriced piece of shit like a PS3. Thank you.

  • davisorle #49 5 years ago

    @Overlush
    Dude what are you talking about? If they loose money then why the fack do they even bother? you thnk that Sony will be loosing money out of it? No cause that's not Sony. Even MS lost so much money but who gives a shit? Just cause they loose money I have to go buy it without talking about the price? you cant be serious man.

  • zuljin #50 5 years ago

    @davisorle
    "Dude what are you talking about? If they loose money then why the fack do they even bother? you thnk that Sony will be loosing money out of it? No cause that's not Sony. Even MS lost so much money but who gives a shit? Just cause they loose money I have to go buy it without talking about the price? you cant be serious man."

    Dude you're an idiot. Sony is losing money on each PS3 because they make up the money on a % on each game sold. Thats how its always worked before, doesn't mean you have to buy it without talking about the price, but realise that you are getting a lot of bang for your buck. Whether you end up using all of it is a different matter.

    "Ofc they will look after Koreans and all the sharpeyes from over there."
    And a racist.

  • davisorle #51 5 years ago

    I'm not a racist and I dont give a shit what you think to be exact! lol

    Plus I kow that hey do make money you moron and how they make it! Tell that to Overlush and that was the point of my post.... Looser

  • zuljin #52 5 years ago

    @davisorle
    "Plus I kow that hey do make money you moron"
    Then your information is fatally flawed.

    [link url=http ://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=52214
    ]http://ww w.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_...[/link]

    They just about break even in the UK... And thats production cost vs retail, as opposed to production cost in comparison to money made per console.

  • kangarootoo #53 5 years ago

    @davisorle

    First off hating companies 'cos you think they overcharge you is just childish. I reserve hate for proper targets like murders, rapists and (appropriately enough) bigots.

    "I'm not a racist and I dont give a shit what you think to be exact! lol"

    So wtf is this "Ofc they will look after Koreans and all the sharpeyes from over there.". Does the bit of your brain that controls your fingers not speak to the rest of your head?

    /waits for some kind of "I'm not racist, I love chinese food and have watched every episode of the Cosby show" response.

  • old_skool #54 5 years ago

    BTW , the article fails to mention that the PS3 is launching in South Korea in June , it wouldn't make sense launcing it with a 60 Gig HDD, as an 80Gig drive probably costs the same if not less.

    See how Europa is so fortunate to get it before those sharpeyes


    Edited by 1 at 21/05/07 @ 18:15

  • Dark_Phoenix_PT #55 5 years ago

    The average monthly salary here in Portugal is 600€, and that is a lot more than most of my friends earn.
    Minimum is 400€, wich lots of people get for a whole month doin' jobs anyone would hate.

    And the f*** PS3 still costs 600€ around here too.

  • Arcadiian #56 5 years ago

    Er, to all those people who keep saying the PS3 price is justified, and that anyone who can't afford it should roll over and die, you're clearly missing the point.

    Of course gaming is "just another business", but the business is selling games consoles and games, to games consumers. Us.

    Take into consideration that people buy consoles for the games ( or should ), and not the specifications of the console itself. If they can't afford the console, they can't play the games, so of course they'll be pissed.

    You can scream "BLU-RAY" at me all day, but the fact of the matters is, if the Xbox 360 came with a Ferrari, and sold for €250,000, yes the price would be "justified", but is that what gamers really want ?

    Nintendo and Microsoft have listened to criticism, and made at least some effort to give people what they want. Sony have made a mistake(s). Simple as.

  • zuljin #57 5 years ago

    @Arcadiian
    "You can scream "BLU-RAY" at me all day, but the fact of the matters is, if the Xbox 360 came with a Ferrari, and sold for €250,000, yes the price would be "justified", but is that what gamers really want ?"

    I really agree with you... Sony seemed to think that BluRay was necessary for games. Just like MS thought HD DVD wasn't necessary, and just like Nintendo though the Wii-mote was.

    The thing that aggrevates me about people complaining about the price is the fact that you have a choice whether to buy a(ny) console or not. Just like I can't afford a Ferrari, but I'm still not going to go on Ferrari forums and say, your piece of shit is overpriced (Sorry Overlush I stole your argument).

    Pretty much everyone knows the price by now. To still moan and moan about it I find incomprehensible. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the Wii-mote. I play games to get away from exercise frankly, hence, I choose not to buy it. Doesn't mean the Wiimote is bad, just that its not for me.

  • davisorle #58 5 years ago

    @Arcadiian
    At least you're getting the point. the rest just make excuses to justify why would spend their parent's or their own money for a PS3 or just a stupid console. Ok so PS3 is worth of it's money. Keep it up and next consoles will be even more expensive, thats for sure. And dude it's not childish. Childish is to spend all that money on your console. I rather go out with my girl. That wouldn't just make her happy with all that money. It'd make me happy too. 600 euros for a ps3... with stupid ass games.... ok you're all so right. Just go buy it. There is not even rumble for crying out loud... And no I'm not a racist. I've slept both with chinese and black women. Latin are the best though. o.O ( now im a racist lol ) No Sony is a racist and you put up with it. that's what it is. you're just blind to see that.

  • davisorle #59 5 years ago

    @zulzin
    "I really agree with you... Sony seemed to think that BluRay was necessary for games. Just like MS thought HD DVD wasn't necessary, and just like Nintendo though the Wii-mote was.
    The thing that aggrevates me about people complaining about the price is the fact that you have a choice whether to buy a(ny) console or not. "

    Well if everyone had moaned about it before this instead of saying OMG next gen is almost here thanks to Sony ( and don't tell me you didn't read the exact words in this website) then Sony would have reconsidered this and instead of the blueray would invest more on more inportant things that have to do with thier console and everyone would be happy.

    EDIT: Dude, YOU are the idiot here cause you keep telling me why and how Sony is loosing or earning money... who the fuck asked you or talked to you and you had to call me an idiot? Dont be getting offended when other's talk about Sony. If you don't like it then go to Sony's website. It will be easier for you and be happy being there
    Edited by 2 at 21/05/07 @ 19:20

  • tag51 #60 5 years ago

    @Arcadiian
    Thats what I was trying to say. Great console. Probably worth every penny. Not what a lot of gamers want or can afford.
    And some places seem to get a far better price than others.
    Edited by 1 at 21/05/07 @ 19:25

  • zuljin #61 5 years ago

    @davisorle
    "Well if everyone had moaned about it before this instead of saying OMG next gen is almost here thanks to Sony ( and don't tell me you didn't read the exact words in this website) then Sony would have reconsidered this and instead of the blueray would invest more on more inportant things that have to do with thier console and everyone would be happy."

    But you didn't moan about it beforehand, or at least not loud enough. So why moan now?

    I'm not offended. I called you an idiot (perhaps rather harshly), because you were completely wrong, but mainly because you were just a racist arrogant twat.

    I have no shares in Sony, I just hope they do well enough so the competition remains threeway. Noone asked me, but I was under the impression thats what the "Comments" section is there for.

  • Overlush #62 5 years ago

    In terms of hardware and functionality there isn't one single thing that the 360 does better than the PS3 (and I've owned both before you ask). The PS3 is more reliable, near silent, has a smoother dashboard, wireless and HD movie playback out the box, no powerbrick, free online, better build quality, flash card ports, blutooth, 3rd party USB device compatibility, web browsing etc. etc.

    I paid £280 for my 360, £30 for my wireless headset, £80 for two years on LIVE and £70 for a wireless adapter. £460 - I didn't feel ripped off.

    I paid £425 for my PS3. I CERTAINLY don't feel ripped with that as it cost me £35 less than my 360 'bundle' and offers me even more possibilities!

    In short I'm MUCH happier with the PS3 as it's hardware and software build it is head and shoulders above the 360.

    No amount of whinging from tight fisted Sony bashers is going to convince me otherwise.

    If you don't want all it has to offer - fine - just don't preach on about how it's a 'rip-off'. It's an unbelievable success at WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE: a cutting edge, high-end media and games center.

    Imagine seeing someone in an Aston Martin dealer moaning about how they don't need their car to do what a DB8 can do and how it's such a rip-off. You'd think: pathetic, bitter, time wasting prick - fuck off down the road to the Ford dealer then!
    Edited by 1 at 21/05/07 @ 19:47

  • davisorle #63 5 years ago

    @zuljin
    There you go with the bitching again. If me being a racist makes you happy then I am a racist to your kind thats for sure. You can go f*ck yourself like there is no tomorrow. I cant be explaining to you im not a racist cause I have no reason to bother. If it tickles your funny ad you're happy with it then go ahead. Plus, you are the ignorant cause I was talking shit about this whole thing befor eyou even realise what is going on. You can go ahead and check the forum before the PS3 release. You'll see my posts there. Till then keep rubbing yourself to cool down a bit.

    @Overlush
    Lets say you are right... The fact you have no games compared to what 360 does is just pointless to all this. That's all i have to add. I'm going to play a bit more Halo 3 before I go to work. Take care

    @tag51
    Yeha it's the way you say it. Just think though that If i was a BR I can have it on my PC where it would be way better quality and cheaper. In case though I care more about gaming factor and not about the STUPID BR it's worth shit.... Think that till last christmass you could go to a store and buy you nephew a psone and you 'de make him happy. Now you 'll do what? "here I bought you a BR which I can't afford"? PS isn't for everyone and consoles should be for everyone. 600 euros? That's a lot of pennys for a console to be worth of it.
    Edited by 1 at 21/05/07 @ 19:49

  • Overlush #64 5 years ago

    Last time I checked davislore we were talking about hardware, not software, but if you feel forced start brandishing the 360 library around as some sort of conclusive argument let me ask just one thing:

    Is this not a bit like getting all bullish because your 3 year old son is taller and has achieved more things and has more friends than my 18 month old son?
    Edited by 2 at 21/05/07 @ 19:55

  • zuljin #65 5 years ago

    @davisorle
    "Plus, you are the ignorant cause I was talking shit about this whole thing befor eyou even realise what is going on."

    "But you didn't moan about it beforehand, or at least not loud enough. So why moan now?"

    Learn to read. Learn to spell. And for Gods sake stop being such a child. Until then, you will remain on my ignore list.

    /Dusts hands

  • rock27gr #66 5 years ago

    Erm, this comments section has gone to shit.

    People, the point is this:

    PS3 Europe = 600 Euro
    PS3 Corea = 412 Euro

    THATS what people complain for, not (only) that PS3 is overpriced, but that EU PS3 is RAPE!

    Also consider this:
    Greece average MONTHLY salary = 600 Euros
    Portugal average MONTHLY salary = 600 Euros
    Italy, Cyprus, Spain are better but similar.
    and also consider all those East EU countries with even lower MONTHLY salaries.
    And whole families need to live off these figures!
    DO YOU GET THE ISSUE NOW?

    Or are you UK people so up yourselves to not see it. Yes for the UK its less than half week's paycheck, but for the REST OF EUROPE IT ISN'T!

  • davisorle #67 5 years ago

    @zuljin
    ""But you didn't moan about it beforehand, or at least not loud enough. So why moan now?" "
    "Learn to read. Learn to spell. And for Gods sake stop being such a child. Until then, you will remain on my ignore list."

    LMAO! Cry me a fucking river! lol
    I did talk about it that much to make all Sony fanboys attack me. The point is one and the same for everyone. Read what rock27gr is saying. Thats what it is about ( if not only ) ( no time for halo. Going to work already :S )

    HeAvY MeTaL GR

  • zuljin #68 5 years ago

    @rock27gr
    "THATS what people complain for, not (only) that PS3 is overpriced, but that EU PS3 is RAPE!"

    Well I don't think I would have used those words but ok... I see your point.

    "Or are you UK people so up yourselves to not see it. Yes for the UK its less than half week's paycheck, but for the REST OF EUROPE IT ISN'T!"

    I'm not doubting that you feel hard done by that, but as was said before, this isn't PS3 specific. The XBox is pretty much half the price in Japan than in the UK, and in fact a lot of things are. But that is what happens in different economies. Sony isn't to blame for this, and neither is MS or Nintendo.

  • AOFanboi #69 5 years ago

    Oh boo hoo, a different country gets a product at a lower price than we do! Woe unto us who get publicly financed medicine, generally good social services and all that but have to pay this price that is higher (including sales tax) than this other price (without sales tax)! Oh, it's so bad because this product is as important to own as food or clothes!

    Bah! Go take your mindless ranting to a BMW car forum, complaining that their cars are overpriced and people can get to the grocer's in a Fiat Punto or something!

    (Also, Sony need to sell it at a lower price in Korea because they are trying to sell to the mindless hordes awaiting the recently announced Starcraft 2.)

  • rock27gr #70 5 years ago

    @zuljin

    It was more a reply to Overlush than you.

    Also, though I can understand that commodities are more expensive in the EU generally, in the case of the PS3 its preposterous.

    And if pricing is according to a location's wealth, as they seem to be doing in US and Korea (japan is a different case) then why should they charge us more so they can sell cheaper to more wealthy areas like the US and Korea?

    And, yes, Sony fucked up by making it so expensive! It is their fault, and their use of the machine as a Trojan horse to promote blu-ray.

    So, they maybe subsidising it (though not in Europe, how funny) but in fact it's us that are subsidising Blu Ray deployment so they can reek in the money afterwards.

    Edit:
    End for another example of mindless UK idiot who can't empathise with others or read numbers, see a post above.
    Edited by 2 at 21/05/07 @ 20:41

  • mysteryfaceuk #71 5 years ago

    Why are people still moaning at the price of the PS3??? For £425 you get the most powerful console on the market. Sony lose a lot of money just to get it at that price point. Nintendo are the one's really ripping off the public. They're selling a console that previously retailed for under £100 (Gamecube) with a controller inspired by Sony's Eye Toy now for over £200.
    Edited by 1 at 21/05/07 @ 20:51

  • zuljin #72 5 years ago

    @rock27gr
    "And if pricing is according to a location's wealth, as they seem to be doing in US and Korea (japan is a different case) then why should they charge us more so they can sell cheaper to more wealthy areas like the US and Korea?"

    Not sure why Japan is a different case really. Bear in mind that in Europe in general you pay 2 major costs additionally over the rest of the world. A higher tax rate, and a higher cut goes towards retailers. Again though, the XBox is by far cheaper in the US as well. I had a random look a while back at BR players, some of which were around $500, or £550 in the UK. Like I said, I'm not saying you can't be upset about this, I'm just saying that maybe you may be getting upset at the wrong person/company/organisation.

    "And, yes, Sony fucked up by making it so expensive! It is their fault, and their use of the machine as a Trojan horse to promote blu-ray."
    This is kind of a different point. If the features of an item make it too expensive for what it is worth to you, then thats like any luxury item. I thought the point was over the US/Korea/Europe price difference?

  • rock27gr #73 5 years ago

    Yes, that was the point, and you are right, it's not only Sony doing it, but the reason I mentioned Blu Ray was that people are targeting PS3 because it is so much more expensive it sticks out, and Blu Ray inclusion is to blame for that.

    Also, I don't thing the extra taxes cover the cost difference between US and EU, and proof for that is that you can buy a PS3 (or 360 or Wii) from online and pay import tax and still comes out cheaper, and this includes extra shipping and costs.

    Also to the morron above you:
    READ THE NUMBERS.
    People are complaining because it costs more than a monthly paycheck!

    They don't care if it comes with God himself in the box; if they can't afford it, it DOESN'T MATTER.

    Nintendo maybe overcharging, but at least it was sane enough to realise that people need to affort someting to buy it.
    Edited by 1 at 21/05/07 @ 21:10

  • rock27gr #74 5 years ago

    :)

    I wonder why you would want red mr F3rrari!

  • zuljin #75 5 years ago

    @Rock27gr
    "Also, I don't thing the extra taxes cover the cost difference between US and EU, and proof for that is that you can buy a PS3 (or 360 or Wii) from online and pay import tax and still comes out cheaper, and this includes extra shipping and costs."

    Yes now you're getting it (although don't forget to add in about an extra 10% for retail). And I don't think this is some evil plot of MS/Sony/Nintendo to screw over Europeans, this just happens. Solution? No clue mate. Guess just taking this up with your government really...

    I guess you might be worse off in Greece tho, if your average wage is less than Europes average, since theres only 1 PS3 price in Europe. Except for the UK. Who can't seem to decide whether they're part or not :)

  • Overlush #76 5 years ago

    "people are targeting PS3 because it is so much more expensive it sticks out, and Blu Ray inclusion is to blame for that."

    Right. It's nothing to do with the built in wireless then? Or how about the 60GB drive as standard? The purpose built cell processor? Flash card readers? The more sophisticated and quieter cooling system? Any of this a-ringing-a-bell?

    Anyhoo - you're bitching on about how the PS3 is so expensive in some European countries but how does it compare to other products in those countries? Hasn't the 360 got a standard EU price? The Wii? iPods? How about the hookers?

    If we're so much better off I'll buy you two if it'll put a smile on yo' miserable ass!

  • muftak #77 5 years ago

    "And, yes, Sony fucked up by making it so expensive! It is their fault, and their use of the machine as a Trojan horse to promote blu-ray. "

    don't think that's a fair comment i wouldn't say fucked up it gave joe bloggs who cant afford a standalone BR player which was at well over 800 at the time for half that price.

    2 things id like to say:

    1: BR WAS a cheeky way of getting it into a lot of homes fast but it also gives the console an edge in terms on storage for games . MGS for example if it does grace the 360 which it may well do i reckon at least 2 to 3 dvds or it may get cut down to fit onto 1 same with FF13 gives the devs a lot more scope for content as Rockstar recently said they have been hampered by the 360 and its disadvantages.

    2:Sony was also looking to the future with this console same with the ps2 why go the dreamcast route of CD9's but hit dvd i remember it was criticised then as well as too expensive but it all worked out.

    All in all the PS3 is a damn fine piece of kit it want rushed like the 360 that is evident with the amount of failures with it . its not a rehash of their last console looking at the wii there (i know its cheap as chips but the big N burnt me twice with the cube and 64 and the lack of titles i wont go there again.).


  • Skeletor #78 5 years ago

    @all the sonyfanboys telling everybody "to get a better job if it's too expensive"
    Compared to ALL the other territories the EU price is a bad joke, no matter how you spin it. If the price doesn't come down SOON Sony's overpriced blu-ray monster won't sell and many developers WILL shift their main focus to another, more profitable platform. And this will also be bad for you my friends. The PS3 is no Mercedes but a bloody gameconsole which plays blu-ray discs and allows a yet rather useless Linux installation.
    Edited by 1 at 22/05/07 @ 12:26

  • azizur #79 5 years ago

    I'm not sure if this is really relevant to the topic, but seeing as how a few people have veered off it, I thought I'd post a comment.

    I've owned both an Xbox 360 and a PS3 (the latter for a day - I traded in the former to get it, more fool me), and I have to say, I liked the PS3 better to an extent. It could play my MP3s, for a start (something that, the last time I checked, the 360 can't do), and, yes, the interface was much better looking and easier to use. As an overall media centre, I reckon it surpassed the 360 (although now that the 360 will now be introducing IPTV and you can download movies and TV shows off Xbox Live Marketplace in America, it may well be advantage Microsoft again in terms of media services).

    The only thing was its very strict region coding when it came to DVDs. My 360 could play anything and everything regardless of region, my PS3 could only play region 2 DVDs. Seeing as most of my favourite DVDs are region 1 (NTSC), that caused a problem :) That was my only complaint about my PS3 - well, apart from the fact that most of its games have already appeared on other formats, and its exclusives weren't so great. (I was somewhat underwhelmed by Resistance: Fall of Man, to be honest - probably not the best indicator of a system's overall initial library of software, I know) But even that didn't bother me so much - I considered my PS3 to be an investment, and had it played my NTSC DVDs properly, I'd probably still have it.

    Technologically, though, I'm not so convinced it's as cutting-edge as a lot of people say it is. Granted, the Cell processor is really cool, and the Blu-Ray drive has potential as a format for games (and for movies, should it win the next-gen format war, although that is far from guaranteed). But from what I hear and what I've read (and someone please correct me if I am wrong, as opposed to calling me names as I've seen happen on this forum), its GPU is fairly old - a GeForce 7600 if I remember correctly, which can't handle some of the more advanced effects such as HDR, as opposed to the ATI GPU in the 360 which is much more cutting-edge. As regards its internal memory - isn't it supposed to be a bit slow? Or at least in comparison to the 360's memory. I reckon it would have been better if they had put in 1GB of faster memory. That would, obviously, increase the already high price, but it would have put it ahead of the 360 and the Wii.

    I could also comment on the fact that developers are apparently finding it hard to program for the PS3, but I'll leave that for others to comment on. The point I am trying to make is that the PS3, while being a decent piece of kit, is far from perfect, just as the 360 is. Both have technological and service advantages over the other. The 360 has a more impressive game lineup, both current and future - I can think of a great number of games I would like to buy for it, but not so many for the PS3 - but hasn't got a built-in HD-DVD drive, so its games experience will, to some extent, be a little stunted compared to the PS3. That, and it is a bit loud :) The PS3 does have a Blu-Ray drive, which will allow for more storage and, eventually, deeper and better games, but seeing as how most people will not have a high-def TV, I doubt the drive will be a major selling point in terms of watching movies. Add to that the fact that its lineup, current or future is still not impressive (no Mass Effect, to take one example). Apart from MGS4 and Heavenly Sword, what exclusives does it have that will make people want to buy the PS3? (This is an actual question I am asking)

    In the end, arguing which console is better is a bit pointless. It will come down to what you're looking for in your games console, and which brand you like more. And yeah, price will be a factor too.

    OK, rant over :)

  • 3william56 #80 5 years ago

    Children, children...

    The price of the product is simply what the market will bear. In other words, they charge what they believe people will pay. Folks have more disposable money, they pay more. That is all.

    I paid A$600 with trade ins (about GB250), and am as happy as pig in sh*t.

    Hmmm... maybe it's deafness caused by exposure to the Xbox's ear destroying fans and drives that makes the haters shout so. Can we have EG in braille for their benefit?

  • Jokerr #81 5 years ago

    Why the hell are people still bitching about the price? If you can't afford a PS3 then don't buy one it's as simple as that. It's not like you need one to live.

    /realises this argument has been made a trillion times before.

  • Overlush #82 5 years ago

    "Hmmnyeah but doesn't the 360 actually play games better?"

    Well, it currently plays SOME games that have been PORTED to the PS3 a bit better (with Oblivion being the vice versa), but in terms of the PS3 exclusives, they look just as good if not better than anything the 360 has. In my experience the 360, at the moment, has the edge with visual effects (but not for long I suspect once devs get used to the PS3) but the PS3 has the edge with physics and geometry (which I can't see changing given the strengths of the Cell).

    Just my opinion though...
    Edited by 1 at 22/05/07 @ 09:54

  • Euroseptic #83 5 years ago

    No one seems to have mentioned the fact that emotion engine is actually being put back in to the Korean machine.

  • Skeletor #84 5 years ago

    @Euroseptic
    No one mentioned it because it's not true.

  • kangarootoo #85 5 years ago

    @3william56

    +2

  • Les #86 5 years ago

    "Also consider this:
    Greece average MONTHLY salary = 600 Euros
    Portugal average MONTHLY salary = 600 Euros
    Italy, Cyprus, Spain are better but similar.
    and also consider all those East EU countries with even lower MONTHLY salaries.
    And whole families need to live off these figures!
    DO YOU GET THE ISSUE NOW?

    Or are you UK people so up yourselves to not see it. Yes for the UK its less than half week's paycheck, but for the REST OF EUROPE IT ISN'T!"

    What a load of bullshit...

  • Euroseptic #87 5 years ago

    Skeletor beg to differ. Check out the official korean sony website.

  • Skeletor #88 5 years ago

    @Euroseptic
    Checked the site and checked the official pdf, NO emotion engine, software emulation just like over here.

  • old_skool #89 5 years ago

    I have an idea, why don't we all move to South Korea !

    /applause

  • DjWhizzkidd #90 5 years ago

    These arguments are very important. Please keep them up.