No 120GB PS3 for UK, says Sony
Rumours of US version abound.
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe has told our sister site GamesIndustry.biz there are no plans to introduce a 120GB PlayStation 3 round these parts.
Rumours such a model will appear in the US began circulating earlier in the week. According to Ars Technica, it'll come with a DualShock 3 controller and will retail for the same price as the 80GB Spider-Man 3 bundle.
SCEA has yet to comment on the rumours, but SCEE is less shy. "We do not currently have any plans to release a 120GB PlayStation 3 in the UK," a spokesperson said.
Sony has hinted in the past it could release PS3 units with bigger hard drives if there is enough demand.
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none for Europe, because Sony will send US left overs to us... we buy any shit whit their logo (and we willpay for Americans goodies!) yay!
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Who cares, the HDD is easily upgradeable.
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They always say they have no plans until the day they announce it. Pretty sure the exact same thing has happened with the PS3 before.
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I can't see how the current 40gb drive is practicle, as most games save some amount of data to the HDD (whether optional or required). The average for each game seems to be about 2gb, so unless sony want people to go round deleting their install data every few months a much larger disk should be installed as standard.
Also if people are downloading demo's and use the Play TV peripgheral, that current 40gb disk will be full within a matter of days of owning the machine.
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Bollox. I've got a 120Gb Hard drive in my Elite and i've only got about 20-30Gb left. There's plenty to download.
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Twisted fanboy logic!
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That said, the PS3 HDD is easily (and relatively cheaply) upgradeable since Sony used standard PC parts. Shame Microsoft didn't do the same
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I did buy the 60GB right after launch. My concern is that some friends of mine wanted it both with BC and cheaper. I also was planning on offering one to a family member, but to whom BC matters.
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dropping backwards compatability is about increasing software attachment rates not reducing manufactoring costs.
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An honest question: does such 'upgrades' void the warranty ?
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depends on how you use your pc, if like you you just use it for eurogamer and porn sure thats fine. But I've got 1.2tb thats nearly full. Photochopping and 3D takes up alot more space.
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PLANT
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I must buy me an xbox 360 real soon !
My mind is made up after this.
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No.
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Doesn't matter either way for me. Until it has some good games, and like SeesThroughAll says, has B/C again I'm not buying.
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It is annoying about B/C but guess i have my PS2 anyway and have to admit that after getting a ps2 i never bothered playing PS1 games again.
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You should play PS1 there are some real gems! They may look a bit ropey by todays standards but it's all about gameplay! At the moment I'm playing G-Police again, Great game!!!
Check out Ebay you can pick them up for really cheap!
@ Blookult
Of course, I forgot BR laser reads slower than DVD! So EVERY game installs to HDD? Doesn't that eat into HDD space, how much space do the normally take?
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Thing is though, as time moves on the bigger hard drives are getting allot cheaper and due to supply sometimes cheaper than smaller ones. Makes sence to put in a bigger drive as it becomes more cost effective. Also gives another plus to the product your trying to sell.
Its not really a different SKU
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Source? I was under the impression that the cell and blu ray laser were the most expensive parts. And i doubt dropping emulated BC really saves them that much money.
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One more time BC IS GONE ONE LESS REASON TO BUY PS3!!!.........
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That said, the PS3 HDD is easily (and relatively cheaply) upgradeable since Sony used standard PC parts. Shame Microsoft didn't do the same
@JHuxley
MS did do the same. They just take those standard HDD's, put them in a fancy plastic box and charge you €100 more for them.
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"Buy the 40s we need to clear shelf for the 120s"
What next?
"Buy the 120s we need to clear house for the uber 250s"
Just pick a fraking SKU and stick with it. If the hard drive is so easy to upgrade then what the frak is the larger drive for? Why not just add in a dual shock 3 and leave well enough alone. Do they not realise that part of the reason they can't shift the machine is because no-one knows what the frak they are buying! Worse yet is the fear that if they buy today, it'll change tomorrow.
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Some people will find reasons to complain about anything.
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I was told by 3 different sales assistants (1 Dixons, 1 Currys & 1 Xtravision) that a 120Gb machine would be coming in March.
Now I normally wouldn't believe anything anyone in Dixons or Curry's told me as they're pretty clueless, but 3 people telling me the same thing makes me think that a new box is on the way.
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edit: A Bloodkult - yes you are right, although I've never really understood that way of thinking. I guess as a PC gamer and a bit of a gadget fan, I've always understood that things gett better and cheaper as time goes on - that's just the way it goes.
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"Unless you download massive amounts of porn I see no reason to own a 120gb hard drive, and that's on PC...on a console?, not needed at all, unless you can download porn on it one day. Maybe Nintendo's next console will allow you to download stuff like whore of the rings onto a 300gb hard drive. That would be cool."
Ditto to what Razz said. Not to mention that when PlayTV kicks off, I'll be looking to upgrade my HD to the largest possible.
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The BR drive in the 40Gb HAS been replaced with a cheaper one.
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My video player is on its last knees. I don't want an already redundant DVD recorder. And I don't want yet another box under the TV doing the TV recording separately.
So Sony - you know how to get my purchase. Over to you.
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I would estimate the increased capacity of the drive would be little more than £10 tops per unit. Not bad for say a £50 increase in price. People would pay £50 for an extra 80gb.
(*And how is the digital TV recorder going to work? Will it let you record while the PS3 is off? or your PS3 is playing VF5?)
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I'm surprised they're not pushing a SKU with a much bigger hard drive and back compat - looking at the prices of 60gb models on ebay clearly shows people are willing to pay extra for those features!!
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You didn't read my post did you. The SKU change is confusing to end users end of story. I also said that if the hard drive is so easy to upgrade, then why keep putting out different machines with different drive sizes? It's a question we in the industry ARE asking. But, then you'd know that if you were in the industry wouldn't you.
Game sales on PS3 are slow enough as it is without potential buyers all waiting for the next SKU.
As for your argument that hardware get's cheaper over time. That's true enough. The problem with the Sony way is that the hardware is not getting cheaper. The 120 will almost certainly be more expensive than the 40. In the states it will apparently slot in where the now discontinued 80 once lived i.e. 100 or so dollars more than the 40. The frequency with which these SKU's are changed is just too fast. The PS3 has been around in europe and the USa for a year now and has already had a 20, 60, 40, 80 and now a 120 version. Some have full backward compatibility, some have partial and some have none. Given the different regions of the world. Do you know which version has what in which regions? Do you expect an ordinary consumer to know the answer to that?
I'm not a fanboy mate. You however.......
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I read that recently (if I can find the link I'll post it) And the main reason for all the cheaper components? Sony needed to make some money up as PS3 gamers are not buying many games (can you blame them!) normally software sales would be where the profit is for the first couple of years and Sony were dying fast. So they turned to hardware and stripped it down.
In fact since the new 40gb model was introduced there has been a rise in the admittedly low numbers of faulty PS3s returned which indeed points to a lower quality components in the 40gb machine (I got this info from a guy who works at a game store so I can't give you a link!).
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Fair point regarding the USA, but we live in Europe do we not? And how many SKU's has Europe had?
If anything it's people spreading rumours that is making people wait for SKU's that may never even arrive. I'm just glad I got a 60Gb (w/BC) before they fell off the face of the earth.
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But let's note a couple of facts here.
One is that Microsoft are guilty of having too many SKU's as well. At least Sony isn't trying to sell three different models on an ongoing basis. And weren't Premium owners peeved when the Elite was released?
Secondly, anyone who thinks that the 360 and PS3 won't continue to be upgraded with bigger hard drives is seriously misguided. I'm sure Premium and Elite 360s will gain bigger HDs before long, just as the PS3 will. With hard drive costs reducing all the time, it would not be surprising three years from now if you could buy a 360 or PS3 with a 500GB hard drive.
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"I can't care less how big the hdd is, I just want PS2 bc and a Dualshock 3."
Yes, Dualshock 3 is important and we all know we'll be getting it here in the UK in the next few months. If GTA4 and MGS4 make good use of it I'd be surprised if Sony didn't relase it before or to co-incide.
As to BC, personally, I don't think it's much of an issue for a lot of people. As more and more people get big HD screens, they want great looking PS3 games to show them off, not SD PS3 games.
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@MuppetThumper
It never will be, so dream on.
The "standard" for digital TV varies all over the world, and some countries like Ireland have no terrestrial DVB broadcasts. It would also be pretty useless in the U.S. So Sony are highly unlikely to add kit (and cost) to the PS3 that perhaps only a small sub-set of potential buyers will want/use.
It will stay as a separate add-on for those who can actually use it.
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It is for me. I've still got stacks of Ps2 games to get through. It's a deal breaker no matter how you slice it.
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I'd add that if BC is that important to you, you buy the higher end SKU. This is what I did mainly because I didn't want to continue having a PS2 under my TV so my wife could play the various Singstars and Katamaris she wants to. For $50 more with a larger HD and a free game it wasn't that much of a big deal.
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I can't find the link so we'll have to agree to disagree!
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That said, who in their right mind would buy a 120 GB Sony provided PS3? Why not just get the cheapest possible PS3 and then upgrade with your own 250 GB CHEAP HD? Easiest and most economic way of doing it.
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But for us who have the 60GB backward compatible version, at least we have a cheap upgrade path to a 120gb or more HD. Not like the 360, where I found it cheaper to upgrade to the Elite by part-ex'ing my premium. Worth it though.
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Only if they've got some old ones left. They're not gonna fire up the old production lines for you if that's what you're hoping
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You do not work in the industry. You may have had a job there once but, no way do you work at any software house.
You clearly didn't read my post as it's about confusing consumers and affecting sales due to that confusion. Your rant has pretty much nothing to do with my post and everything to do with a fanboy defending a platform at all costs.
This conversation is over mate. You have shown yourself to be what everyone suspected you were. Simply a sony fanboy with no ability to comprehend an argument.
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Because there are differences between the 40Gb and the current 80Gb (and possible future 120/160Gb) PS3 other than the HD size?
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"That said, who in their right mind would buy a 120 GB Sony provided PS3? Why not just get the cheapest possible PS3 and then upgrade with your own 250 GB CHEAP HD? Easiest and most economic way of doing it."
"Because there are differences between the 40Gb and the current 80Gb (and possible future 120/160Gb) PS3 other than the HD size? "
And also let's not forget most people simply don't want the hassle of swapping out hard drives on their PS3, any more than they would for a PC. I know the process for doing it and it's not fool-proof. I'm not saying it's especially hard, either, and it's certainly a good function of the PS3 that it can be done, but it's not for everyone.
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And I thought Microsoft were bad with their price fixing.
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And I guess the 17 million people who bought a 360 - a console that has to be replaced every six months - aren't stupid?
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As for Sony's "price fixing", I don't think I understand. I thought that if the prices hadn't been "fixed", PS3's would have cost over $800 at launch. (As it turns out, the price wasn't fixed sufficiently for my purposes, so I bought a Wii and a 360.
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"Expect to see an announcement confirming a 120GB model for europe in the next week or so..."
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Dropping BC may have saved money, but if Sony's intention was to boost sales of PS3 games, it's surely complete lunacy at so early a stage in the console's lifespan. If the PS3 is no longer the logical successor to the PS2 (apart from the branding, obviously), it surely makes more sense to everyone to just go and buy a cheaper 360. The PS3 needs to build its installed user base, not its software attachment. If they get PS3s into homes, people will buy the games, but right now, they seem to be having a hard job persuading people to upgrade. Discontinuing the 60GB model just as the price hit a sensible level was madness. Sony really need to sort this out before GTA IV arrives.
My dream machine would have a Dualshock 3 and full hardware backwards compatibility. Let's face it, if Sony can sell a PS2 for less than £100, the can surely bung all the necessary PS2 components into a PS3 case and a bigger HDD for less than a £100 premium on the current 40GB model price.
Come on Sony, sort it out!
/doesn't hold breath
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Why do I need a PS3 again?
Uncharted? Motorstorm?
No thanks. 2010 it is then.
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There might be people for whom the HD hype is so important they don't consider playing PS2 games on this console and rather play the not-so-awesome PS3 games just because they're PS3 games, but there's lots of people I know who want to keep the ability to play their old games. Microsoft screwed up big time with their BC, leaving people with dozens of Xbox games out in the cold (especially since there's almost no way in hell to get a replacement Xbox nowadays) - Sony (rightfully) called them out on that yet went on to make it even worse on their own console /facepalm
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