Nintendo: you've seen all our 2008 games

By Robert Purchese Published 23 July, 2008

Cammie Dunaway tries the hard sell.

Nintendo of America almost-boss Cammie Dunaway has said we have seen "the extent" of what the company is offering this Christmas.

Dunaway was defending the lack of core Wii games shown at the E3 press conference last week - something that Nintendo overlord Satoru Iwata apologised for recently.

"Absolutely the hardcore gamer crowd is critically important to us," Cammie Dunaway told Wired. "But we announce what we have that's ready to share.

"And so we don't talk about stuff until we've got a great degree of confidence that we're close enough to release it. So we announce what we have. And we're really proud of what we have coming in to this holiday season.

"You have seen the extent of Nintendo's 2008 holiday line-up," she added.

Animal Crossing, Wii Music, Wario Land: Shake It, Super Mario Sluggers and Call of Duty were all mentioned by Dunaway as games for the core audience this year.

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  • Aretak #1 4 years ago

    "Animal Crossing, Wii Music, Wario Land: Shake It, Super Mario Sluggers... games for the core audience"

    Wow.

  • monkie_king #2 4 years ago

    /blames Sony

    Stupid massively successful PS2.

  • Physically_Insane #3 4 years ago

    Bullshit Nintendo, bullshit!

  • handsome_coelacanth #4 4 years ago

    Quite looking forward to Animal Crossing, but I wonder wether Europe will see it released this year or not.

  • Darren #5 4 years ago

    Sorry but it looks like I won't be buying any games for my Wii for the remainder of the year then because none of those 'core' games interest me. Ah well... at least I have a 360 and PS3 as well so it doesn't matterthat much... I'll just have to remember to keep blowing the dust off my Wii! LOL

  • tubeoftoothpaste #6 4 years ago

    i dont know how they can be proud of wiimusic. it looks appauling.

  • gamefan #7 4 years ago

    yet more reasons why I haven't and won't buy a Wii.

    Sad it is the only consiole in thirty years of gaming I haven't bought.

  • spazmo #8 4 years ago

    Start reeling in. START REELING IN!

  • SharksInYourMouth #9 4 years ago

    The Wario Land game should be alright, I guess...

  • gingerlink #10 4 years ago

    @gamefan

    you have a Gizmodo? WOW!

  • Masarin #11 4 years ago

    There's only one reason for me to buy a Wii and that's to play Okami with the remote.
    *Awaits the soon-to-come boom of cheap second hand Wiis up for sale*

  • tobsen #12 4 years ago

    What's the problem here? The Wii has tons of 3/10 games so their core audience is obviously covered.

  • peterfll #13 4 years ago

    You won't win. Who's going to argue with them whilst they're sitting on top of their huge pile of cash?

  • drumbaby #14 4 years ago

    Pathetic, Nintendo, really pathetic. Shame people will still buy into your system just because they think a 'cool' controller will turn them into gamers overnight.

  • Krelle #15 4 years ago

    gamefan: Your quite stupid then. The Wii is dirt cheap and there is agood few exclusive games worth picking up.
    Instead of bitching about "core"-games, buy the good ones and play them. Then leave the Wii collecting dust until the next one.
    You say youve bought every console in 30 years. Shoud be rich enough to buy a Wii aswell, right?

  • JonFE #16 4 years ago

    Animal Crossing, Wii Music, Wario Land...

    I'm game :)

  • jellyhead #17 4 years ago

    To be honest i'd much rather look at her than any of the games that Ninty have announced for this year. :)
    No Wii for me then unless I really feel the need to play Okami or Zak and Wiki which are pretty much the only games on the Wii i have much interest in so far.

    / drinks kool-ade
    Not that i feel forsaken by Nintendo at all.

  • DFawkes #18 4 years ago

    I'll give them CoD. Although I've never really bought into this stupid casual/core divide, just good games/awful games. But if they want to look like they're appealing to "hardcore" gamers, give as 2D Metroid. In fact, just make a 2D Metroid anyway. NOT A MINI-GAME COLLECTION :/

  • eurisko2k #19 4 years ago

    stop your moaning and let's look at how fantastic the 3rd party is doing...

  • varsas #20 4 years ago

    @gamefan: How can you call yourself gamefan without a Wii???

  • bluem4gic #21 4 years ago

    It printsssssssssssssssssssssssssssss moneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey

  • nickthegun #22 4 years ago

    If a nintendo mouthpiece has stopped using 'core' gamer, can EG please?

    It makes my arse clench.

  • Progguitarist #23 4 years ago

    Might be time to sell it on I think. Thats a terrible line up.

  • Cappy #24 4 years ago

    I really doubt Animal Crossing will reach Europe this year, I wonder how many of those games will make it at all.

    They should really have divided regions on the basis of language for this generation, then at least English speakers such as those living in the UK, Australia and New zealand wouldn't have to wait so long. It's not like we even get the localisation we wait and pay for anyway, the games are always in American English.

  • K-Project #25 4 years ago

    So outside of Nintendo's woeful line up for the rest of the year, what can we expect from the third parties? There's PES I suppose, that's been confirmed. That Castlevania beat 'em up doesn't look too bad.

    Anything else of merit?

  • tufty #26 4 years ago

    Well Nintendo has burned through most of its franchises already, now we wait for wave 2. It is a bit disappointing but then, Nintendo relies on the shelf life of its games.

  • anomagnus #27 4 years ago

    see, heres my major problem with the wii

    take away the wiimote, and you have an underpowered system with a woeful catalogue of games

    now, what does Nintendo do, if MS and Sony release their own version of the wii mote? What does nintendo have then to distinguish itself from the pack

    and what of the next generation, are Nintendo REALLY capable of catching lightening twice, or was this one last shake of the dice that actually proved incredibly lucky?

    See, my view is that Nintendo's DON'T have the gamers market, that everyone that bought the wii that wasnt a gamer, that bought it as a fad, aren't going to buy the wii 2 just because its more powerful

    Thats the opposite of the vast majority of xbox and ps3 owners, who will, in all likelihood, buy the next version of those machines.

    I think Nintendo is fucked in the next generation
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 15:25

  • Santino #28 4 years ago

    hopefully fatal frame 4 makes it out here this year, not convinced it will however.

    <i >"a woeful catalogue of games"[/i]

    that is just utter rubbish, there are plenty of great games on the system, you can choose to overlook them if you want but it doesn't mean they don't exist.
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 15:29

  • kinky_mong #29 4 years ago

    Double post bah
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 15:32

  • SharksInYourMouth #30 4 years ago

    There's a tales of symphonia sequel that's a wii exclusive, I'm waiting for that to get an EU release.

  • bad09 #31 4 years ago

    Ah good luck to 'em. They're making money so let 'em do it.

    My main concern is MS are now following those casual wallets not just in games (buy what you want people I don't care) but right from the very dashboard I use, did I buy 360 for corporate quiz shows and Avatars? Spin it how you like it's not optional as far as I can see it's on YOUR dashboard and just incorporates themes and pics into it. (I do hope to be proven 100% wrong when it arrives BTW).

    Is it possible that PS3 will go from joke to my savior this gen? Sure it'll have a lot of the same crap but it's optional......
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 15:33

  • kinky_mong #32 4 years ago

    So outside of Nintendo's woeful line up for the rest of the year, what can we expect from the third parties?

    This is exactly what I was thinking. Sam & Max and Fatal Frame are the only forthcoming games I can see myself interested in and I can't find a release date for them anywhere.

    Luckily I've got a few games like Okami and Paper Mario still to get, and the line up for the 360 this Autumn is incredible so at least I won't be short of stuff to play.

  • Fuser #33 4 years ago

    Got to agree with some comments here: I've had a Wii since launch and I've still only bought 4 games for it. Thats a pitiful ratio compared to the amount of 360 games I've got. And there is nothing at all in Nintendo's line-up I'm excited about.
    Sad really.

  • manic_mouse #34 4 years ago

    I just bought a Wii, because it has enough quality games to entertain me for a month or two. But in all reality, no gamer could ever possibly own a Wii alone. It's the worst console out of the three by a country mile. Sure, it's a nice adjunct to a PS3 or 360 but were you to only own one console how could anyone pick the Wii?

    Successful product =/= good product

    Just imagine if MS or Sony had such a pathetic catalogue of games for 6 months, there would be a blood-bath! But I guess Nintendo don't really care, the thing prints money and they don't even have to make good games for it. The poster who was asking about Wii 2, and if Nintendo can "catch lightning twice" - very astute.
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 15:38

  • Waffleaber #35 4 years ago

    "I think Nintendo is fucked in the next generation "

    Yeah people have been saying that since Sega dropped out of the hardware market.

    Don't get me wrong I think you've got a point about what they'll do next generation but to write them off after they survived two, rather distant, last place finishes to become market leader seems a bit short-sighted.

  • manic_mouse #36 4 years ago

    "Don't get me wrong I think you've got a point about what they'll do next generation but to write them off after they survived two, rather distant, last place finishes to become market leader seems a bit short-sighted."

    Exactly, the Wii is a fluke. They managed to think outside the box and tap into a market that nobody else thought of. Problem is, you can only do that once and now both Sony and MS are looking at that market.

    The only reason the Wii even exists is because Ninty were f*cked if they went toe-to-toe with MS and Sony, no matter how many times they tell you rubbish like "gaming needed to change etc", the sole reason was that they couldn't compete.

  • peteb #37 4 years ago

    i wonder how much dust my wii can have on it before it makes the machine collapse onto itself?

    guess i'll find out at the end of this year!! :D

  • CallousB #38 4 years ago

    Hmm..surely saying "you have seen the extent of our holiday line-up" is very different to saying "you've seen all our 2008 games".

  • Freek #39 4 years ago

    The fact that Nintendo abandoned it's fans for a more casual audience is fine, the fact that they keep pretending they still care about the hardcore on the other hand is really annoying.

  • Killerbee #40 4 years ago

    Disappointing, certainly. Wario Land: Shake It is a maybe, but only a maybe at best. It's definitely time I bought another console.

    But... I certainly don't regret buying my Wii. I've got a great range of games for it, many of which I'm sure I'll carry on playing through the quiet months. I never expected a new Mario or Zelda game, but I did expect something like F-Zero or Starfox in time for this Christmas.

    Actually, the machine that looks like having the best lineup over the next 6 months is the PC.

  • aldo_14 #41 4 years ago

    see, heres my major problem with the wii

    take away the wiimote, and you have an underpowered system with a woeful catalogue of games

    now, what does Nintendo do, if MS and Sony release their own version of the wii mote? What does nintendo have then to distinguish itself from the pack

    and what of the next generation, are Nintendo REALLY capable of catching lightening twice, or was this one last shake of the dice that actually proved incredibly lucky?

    See, my view is that Nintendo's DON'T have the gamers market, that everyone that bought the wii that wasnt a gamer, that bought it as a fad, aren't going to buy the wii 2 just because its more powerful

    Thats the opposite of the vast majority of xbox and ps3 owners, who will, in all likelihood, buy the next version of those machines.

    I think Nintendo is fucked in the next generation

    If you're defining nintendos prospects / success by your own personal preferences, then you're already wrong. It's been obvious from day one that Nintendo are not competing for the people who ' buy the next version of those machines' for the Xbox/Ps, because that's exactly how they got burnt in the last generation.

    Both Sony and MS make the consoles they do because they can afford to absorb the huge losses with revenue from other areas whilst they fight it out. Nintendo can't afford to do that after the GC (yes, it made a profit, but the company wouldn't grow in share), so they're targeting people who don't buy consoles (the 'casuals' vastly outnumber the so-called 'hardcore'), and who will probably never ever care about whether Halo 5 or MGS6 is better.

    Sure, Sony and MS can come up with Wiimote rip-offs. But it's never going to be any more than a sideline for them so long as they're focused on making the type of consoles (and games) they make - most of the people people who buy (or whom they want to buy) a Wii for the Wiimote don't give a shit about 1080p and 60fps.

    Sure, it's a nice adjunct to a PS3 or 360 but were you to only own one console how could anyone pick the Wii?

    It's cheaper, I can get better FPS on a PC (which I need for work anyways), it has novelty value (is fun, and that still counts), and my wife will play it with me.

    funnily enough, my older, ostensibly shiny-thing liking (big TV, fancy stereo, sports car) brother only has a Wii.
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 16:04

  • smelly #42 4 years ago

    >Bullshit Nintendo, bullshit!

    REMEMBER: Those are just first party games.

    How many 1st party games are microsoft releasing this year.. eh?

  • bitesize #43 4 years ago


    that is a pretty damn poor first party lineup. can't see anything there that i'd buy. here's hoping for some actual good 3rd party action...

  • MyPointIs #44 4 years ago

    So we'll have to wait until 2009 for the really NEW stuff like the new Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Pikmin, Metroid ...

    /sarcasm
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 16:07

  • knocker #45 4 years ago

    @yet more reasons why I haven't and won't buy a Wii.

    Sad it is the only consiole in thirty years of gaming I haven't bought.

    So you bought the shitty amstrad consoles, the CD32 and even the Jaguar - but you turn your nose up at the wii ? That's a bit strange. There is certainly enough available for the wii to make it worth a purchase for curiosity alone.

    (excuse my poor attempt at stirring up more console fights)

    @manicmouse - I agree. the problem Sony and MS have (note the spelling children) is that Nintendo and Wii are synonymous with casual friendly fun. As the Nes and Playstation were. It takes time to shift this from the mass market mindset. It's nintendo's to lose now.

  • kinky_mong #46 4 years ago

    Nintendo have finally cracked the number one rule of business.

    "No one ever went broke appealing to the Lowest Common Denominator"

  • gingerlink #47 4 years ago

    I'm not sure how people can say they're glad they havn't got a wii based on what's coming up...

    Sure if you've had one from day 1, not having anything hardcore coming up in the next 5 months is a bit of a shame, but anyone who would buy one now has a brilliant backlog to go through from only 2 years. I've had one since day one and I still need to get Okami and finish Metroid 3. I need to end my rental spree at the end of this month so I have to try and finish Zack and Wiki quickly too (it surprised me, this game is ACE)

    Seriously, the only game on ANYTHING I'm looking forward too at the moment is Banjo Kazooie. I prefer to have fun when I'm playing games, not cower behind walls...

  • LazyDan #48 4 years ago

    I've never seen so many armchair business analysts in one thread, quite hilarious.

    Nothing decent is coming out for the Wii this Christmas from Nintendo. Oh well. Nothing particularly fantastic (in my eyes) is coming out for my 360 eitherthis Christmas. Looks like I'm getting a better telly then?

    I know F-Zero and Starfox will happen on the Wii, and there's more than likely going to be a new Mario and Zelda before this gen finishes too. I don't know why people are getting so wound up over a lack of announcements that everyone knows will come eventually.

    I still haven't finished Galaxy, I'm still obsessed with Brawl and am just happy to have that, then Mario Kart is still serving my house well. And that's just the Nintendo stuff. I've got Okami to get yet, that Snowboarding game looks ace, I've still got GTA4 on the 360 to go through...

    So lets look at the more notable lineup of 3rd party Wii games for the rest of this year:

    -Sam and Max Season 1
    -Harvest Moon
    -Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
    -De Blob
    -Deadly Creatures
    -GH: World Tour
    -COD4
    -Monster Labs
    -Mushroom Men: Spore Wars
    -Star Wars: Lightsaber Duels
    -Tales of Symphonia
    -Fatal Frame
    -Little King Story (Pikmin with people)
    -World of Goo
    -Sonic Unleashed
    -Megaman 9
    -Gradius Rebirth
    -Space Invaders RTS

    ...And that's all just 2008.

    Yeah Wii's totally dead, nothing's coming out this year because Nintendo haven't announced any first party titles other than Animal Crossing, Wii Music and Wii Sports Resort. You lot are tools.
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 16:23

  • Darkbeat #49 4 years ago

    I thought it would different with the Wii... Less kiddy games and stronger 3rd party support. It's been a few years and it's still like this.

  • smelly #50 4 years ago

    >that is a pretty damn poor first party lineup

    show me microsofts first party line up...

  • SharksInYourMouth #51 4 years ago

    There's also Endless Ocean, Super Monkey Ball, Super Smash Bros Brawl, TNA and Pikmin to get once I get the time. I think it's perfectly possibly to get your gaming fix without a 360 or PS3.

  • sneetch #52 4 years ago

    @smelly
    ">Bullshit Nintendo, bullshit!

    REMEMBER: Those are just first party games.

    How many 1st party games are microsoft releasing this year.. eh? "

    In fairness smelly, I don't think anyone bought an XBox because of Microsofts non-existant 1st party games. I believe they're more likely to buy one because of exclusive or 2nd party titles, MS have more than a few of those coming up this year.

    Regardless, she didn't specify that she meant 1st party and of the list given Wario Land isn't developed by a 1st party, it's Nintendo published but developed by a company called Good Feel, possibly second party(?) so I suspect she means this is all that Nintendo are planning on publishing this year. I could be wrong, mind. I hope I am.

    This line-up is complete pants (and isn't even a European line-up, you can be sure that that baseball game won't be out over here, no great loss IMO).

  • ghearoid #53 4 years ago

    Fuck it, I just want me some Animal Crossing, I couldn't care less about anything else, apart from Mario Sluggers if it's online!

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #54 4 years ago

    show me microsofts first party line up

    Fable
    Banjo
    Gears of War

    All 'proper' games. Hell, even Too Human is probably better long-term entertainment than most of Nintendo' non-game dross.

  • bitesize #55 4 years ago

    show me microsofts first party line up...

    what's that got to do with it??? how does whether microsoft have a poor first lineup have any bearing on how good the wii's is???

    whether microsoft's is awesome or awful, doesn't make the wii's any better.

  • SharksInYourMouth #56 4 years ago

    What is Mario Sluggers about?
    Hopefully F-Zero is coming out for the wii, it's a great series and I imagine it would work well with the motion plus controls.

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #57 4 years ago

    What is Mario Sluggers about?

    Rounders.

  • sneetch #58 4 years ago

    @SharksInYourMouth
    "What is Mario Sluggers about? "

    It's a baseball game.

  • varsas #59 4 years ago

    what's that got to do with it??? how does whether microsoft have a poor first lineup have any bearing on how good the wii's is???

    whether microsoft's is awesome or awful, doesn't make the wii's any better.


    It's relevant since all the naysayers point to Nintendo being the main culprit in the lack of core up and coming games. Where is the hate for all the 3rd party developers? The fact is that even if 3rd party developers introduce new IP like Zack&Wiki, people don't buy it. I wonder how many of the people who complain own that game?

  • bitesize #60 4 years ago


    what? still doesn't have anything to do with microsoft! all i said was, that it's a fairly poor first party lineup. i don't hate nintendo, i don't hate 3rd parties either. neither did i say i blame solely nintendo for this lack of games. don't know if i've been mistaken for some kind of pro-ms fanboy here - i love my wii, i think it's fantastic, but i'm not very impressed with the forthcoming lineup of 1st party games. that is all i said...

    and yes, i do have zack and wiki, thanks. it's fantastic. what's your point?

  • smelly #61 4 years ago

    "still doesn't have anything to do with microsoft! all i said was, that it's a fairly poor first party lineup. "


    My point being - compared to one of its main competitors.. it's actually a GOOD 1st party line up

  • SharksInYourMouth #62 4 years ago

    Heh, Mario Golf Smash, Mario Tennis Wii Editioni, just take old mario sports titles and give them new names. Awesome idea.

  • sneetch #63 4 years ago

    @varsas
    "It's relevant since all the naysayers point to Nintendo being the main culprit in the lack of core up and coming games. Where is the hate for all the 3rd party developers? The fact is that even if 3rd party developers introduce new IP like Zack&Wiki, people don't buy it. I wonder how many of the people who complain own that game?"

    For one thing, hate is too strong a term for all this; I think disappointment, disillusionment or a general sense of "oh, here we go again" would characterise the feelings here better. But why would anyone "hate" 3rd party developers for not developing for the Wii? That'd just be daft.

    But bitesizes point stands; what MS do or do not do is irrelevant to how Nintendo are doing this year.

  • robson_wii #64 4 years ago

    I think nintendo have already caught lightning several times with Game-boy, DS, Wii and the other console that brought them to consumer attention in the first place (I don't have that console as I used to play PC games back then). Sony has also done it with PS1 and 2.

    Casual gaming is a completely different market to core gaming maybe but the market for hard-core gaming isn't expanding rapidly (if at all) and the competition is saturated.

    Wii fits my demographic perfectly but I am disappointed with the lineup for this year. There are enough good games on the Wii that I haven't played yet (Okami, Lego Indy and Paper Mario) so I'll probably get to play them in the slack period and I'm sure I'll pick up Wii sports 2 just to check out the difference with the new sensor add-on.

  • bitesize #65 4 years ago

    My point being - compared to one of its main competitors.. it's actually a GOOD 1st party line up

    well that's as maybe... but i prefer to look at a lineup in terms of what games i want to play, rather than comparing them to a competitor.

    but if you wanna go down that road, at least they've got banjo-kazooie on xbox. now there's a game i can't wait to get stuck into. that's about it, but it's 1-0 to xbox in terms of 1st party games i want this year. (or do rare count as second party?)


    edit: shit, forgot fable2! so looking forward to that - make that 2-0 to xbox...

    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 18:58

  • sneetch #66 4 years ago

    @bitesize
    "but if you wanna go down that road, at least they've got banjo-kazooie on xbox. now there's a game i can't wait to get stuck into. that's about it, but it's 1-0 to xbox in terms of 1st party games i want this year. (or do rare count as second party?)"

    Do Microsoft do 1st party development at all? I thought they were the rein-holders for a shed load of 2nd parties.

  • bitesize #67 4 years ago


    i can never remember what the difference is...

    first party = actually part of the platform holding company, second party = exclusively develop for that platform but not part of the company? something like that...

  • Steroyd #68 4 years ago

    LMAO Nintendo LMAO.

    Glad I never jumped on that ship. >_>

  • bushwod #69 4 years ago

    I posted this i another thread but for those who haven't seen...

    http://www .vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=269

  • Xerx3s #70 4 years ago

    "Nintendo: you've seen all our 2008 games "

    I guess you've seen all my 2008 money then.

  • Xerx3s #71 4 years ago

    "gamefan: Your quite stupid then. The Wii is dirt cheap and there is agood few exclusive games worth picking up.
    Instead of bitching about "core"-games, buy the good ones and play them. Then leave the Wii collecting dust until the next one.
    You say youve bought every console in 30 years. Shoud be rich enough to buy a Wii aswell, right? "

    Just because someone CAN buy something doesn't mean he has to. I hear your 'argument' a lot and it's very cringe worthy imo.

  • Chim_chimma_nee! #72 4 years ago

    You're dead to me Nintendo.
    DEAD.

  • secombe #73 4 years ago

    But in all reality, no gamer could ever possibly own a Wii alone.

    Me: Owned a wide selection of consoles since my first (Atari 2600), Master System, Mega Drive, Mega CD, Dreamcast, Playstation, Playstation 2, XBox, Gamecube yadda yadda yadda. I'm pretty sure I can define myself as a gamer.

    Me now: Own a Wii and nothing else (not in the 'current gen' anyway)

    The games I've owned since Wii release:

    Endless Ocean, Wii Play, LostWinds, Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Lego Star Wars, Excite Truck, PES 2008.

    And out of that lot I'm still going on Wii Play, PES 2008 Mario Kart (online, mainly) and Mario Galaxy and can't currently see an end in sight for any of them. I've not even touched Zelda, Smash Bros., Boom Blox, Paper Mario, Metroid, Okami, Zack & Wiki, Res Evil 4 and a number of others.

    How much time do people have?! Between work, maintaining a house/family and being outside I can rarely stretch to 5hrs per week on my Wii.

  • smelly #74 4 years ago

    "well that's as maybe... but i prefer to look at a lineup in terms of what games i want to play, rather than comparing them to a competitor. "


    Well there's plenty of good looking 3rd party games coming up...

    Mad World being the best looking one..

  • timpig #75 4 years ago

    lol, gamers.

    Look, ease off the hate. Nintendo announced they where going to do something - make games for 'normal' people - and then they went and did it. and damn well. just look at the sales figures.

    So they're not your sort of games? fine. well, its a shame, because a lot of teh games they make are damn fun, but hey. go back to your poorly scripted, generic, jingoistic shooters. enjoy them. It's your loss.

  • smelly #76 4 years ago

    >What did all those guys who feel betrayed now

    my guess is 90% of them dont even have a wii - and are just owners of the other machines gloating because the wii doesnt have lots of grey hi def fps games lined up..

    Because moaning about nintendo's first party line up (When it's LARGER than the other two's!) seems nonsense to me!

  • LazyDan #77 4 years ago

    I'm actually certain that a lot of the negative nancys in this thread aren't actually Wii owners. It's the internet, we can say what we want!


    I have a PS3 but it sucks and has been collecting dust for the last 6 months LOLSONY




    (i don't have a ps3)

  • monkie_king #78 4 years ago

    Bitesize, 2nd party is usually independent studios developing titles financed/published by the platform holder. Sometimes the platform holder has a stake in the developer too.

    It's not really a proper term, just industry jargon -- I think it started in the Dreamcast era with Sega talking about 1.5-party games.

  • darc #79 4 years ago

    "possibly second party(?)"

    LOL not sure about the semantics here, but I think that would mean Nintendo asking me to develop the game myself.

  • manic_mouse #80 4 years ago

    smelly - Because moaning about nintendo's first party line up (When it's LARGER than the other two's!) seems nonsense to me!

    Nice selective reasoning there. Yes, in terms of first party, Nintendo have more on show than MS or Sony. But then again, the other two don't really develop first party games. In terms of RAW games the other two have way better lineups. I can easily name 5 games for each platform I can't wait to play. For the Wii, not so much.

    Although it's good for me that I only bought mine a few weeks ago, so I have a back catalogue to work through during the drought.

  • TheWretched #81 4 years ago

    Well, this sucks, doesn't it^^

  • secombe #82 4 years ago

    I don't get it. What did all those guys who feel betrayed now by Nintendo actually expect from the Wii anyway.

    Was wondering this myself, maybe more Zelda so they can moan about the new graphical style (without seeing it move), or another Mario Kart so they can bitch about new vehicles (without driving them), maybe even Pilotwings/Pikmin/Wave Race or any other much loved Nintendo franchise...so they can moan that Nintendo never do anything new.

    Other than that, people seem to want a PS3/360 clone, which seems a little pointless.

  • Xerx3s #83 4 years ago

    "So they're not your sort of games? fine. well, its a shame, because a lot of teh games they make are damn fun, but hey. go back to your poorly scripted, generic, jingoistic shooters. enjoy them. It's your loss. "

    I'd like to have my horse back when you are done.

  • darc #84 4 years ago

    "What did all those guys who feel betrayed now by Nintendo actually expect from the Wii anyway."

    I can field that one. I expected the same level of quality and imagination that had caught me by surprise when I realized my wife had an old Gamecube laying around. As a long time "dead serious PC gamer" type, this was like a breath of fresh air, and I thought, "yes, I'd like more of this, please." Ideas as brilliant as I'd just seen from the likes of Twilight Princess, Thousand Year Door, even Pikmin etc... and a funky new control scheme to boot, how could we lose. What I hadn't imagined was that the software, on average, for Nintendo's "next-gen" would be orders of magnitude less ambitious than it's previous generation.

    And why is this? Because the sales are inevitable, and the less development you put in, the higher your margins. So increasingly the Wii is becoming a video toy instead of a video game. Which is fine. But you asked what I expected, and there you have it.

    P.S. I don't deny there are a few good titles for the Wii (Galaxy, Zak, Metroid...) so please don't jump down my throat.
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 19:07

  • darc #85 4 years ago

    I'd also like to add that I'd assumed that the software library would improve in quality over time - as had been the case w/ the PS2 and Gamecube - but what concerns me more than anything is that the Wii catalog seems to be regressing instead. Most of the games I can tolerate on Wii were either release titles or close to it, and nothing new has interested me in 6 months or more. That does not bode well...
    Edited by 3 at 23/07/08 @ 19:12

  • smelly #86 4 years ago

    I for one am GLAD nintendo arent pushing out endess "hardcore" titles.

    If they kept making quality games like mario galaxy, zelda, smash bros, mario kart, etc.. then it scares off the 3rd party devs..

    and besides.. i want more variety.. i'm not sure i'm that arsed about another mario/zelda...

  • darc #87 4 years ago

    "If they kept making quality games like mario galaxy, zelda, smash bros, mario kart, etc.. then it scares off the 3rd party devs.."

    ??? Are you implying that Nintendo is trying to attract devs by creating a software vaccuum? Where is my tinfoil hat?

  • InsoFox #88 4 years ago

    Heh. It's kind of interesting that I pretty much walked away from nintendo for 15 years (for no real reason)... and then the year I decide to come back, they walk away from me.


    And yet I still really like my wii.

  • Santino #89 4 years ago

    "i'm not sure i'm that arsed about another mario/zelda... "

    actually i could really go a sequel to mario galaxy, i mean with the space theme they would only be restricted to the ideas of the creators, and i never had a dull moment while playing the game. hopefully there is one in the works.

  • smelly #90 4 years ago

    "Are you implying that Nintendo is trying to attract devs by creating a software vaccuum? Where is my tinfoil hat?"

    Almost.. A lot of developers complain about making games for nintendo platforms because it's hard to compete against nintendo's quality.

    Can you imagine trying to sell a 3d party platformer alongside mario galaxy (For example?)

  • gmmonkey #91 4 years ago

    Bitch.

  • Sid-Nice #92 4 years ago

    Nintendo are becoming like the Premier League; diehard football fans who followed their club through thick and thin were priced out of their seats and neglected by the clubs they support for years, all because watching football was the in thing to do. Too many women have infiltrated our football stadiums; making what was 90 minutes of verbal abuse to the opposing team “An afternoon at the library.”

    The same thing is happening to gaming; certainly where Nintendo are concerned. You see the majority of woman know nothing about gaming; they’ll pick up the latest shovel-ware-shit based on the “Oh this looks cute” or “The kids will love that” factor. Very little research or knowledge about a game goes into the female purchase.

    Just like the post match discussion back at the pub one guy will say “Ronaldo had a poor game today” and the woman will add her diagnosis “I thought he was great especially his new haircut and his gold boots.”

    Wii Fit will save Nintendo and will keep the Wii well ahead of the opposition for a year or two; I’m not looking forward to the next Nintendo home console, I might be wrong but I think there’s a very good chance that it will be pink.

  • bad09 #93 4 years ago

    "The same thing is happening to gaming; certainly where Nintendo are concerned. You see the majority of woman know nothing about gaming; they’ll pick up the latest shovel-ware-shit based on the “Oh this looks cute” or “The kids will love that” factor. Very little research or knowledge about a game goes into the female purchase. "

    That is a really sexist statement mate! TBH though with some of the horrors my girlfriend buys I find if hard to disagree, Looney Tunes AA, Kung Fu Panada WTF???!!!! :)

  • orakio #94 4 years ago

    Nintendo is the new Apple

  • Zomoniac #95 4 years ago

    REMEMBER: Those are just first party games.

    How many 1st party games are microsoft releasing this year.. eh?

    Gears Of War 2, Fable 2, Viva Pinata 2, Banjo-Kazooie. They're just the ones that will be good. There's all the Wii-Audience bullshit too (1vs100, Scene It 2, Lips, You're In The Movies). And Too Human, but that'll be rubbish.

  • Zomoniac #96 4 years ago

    Can you imagine trying to sell a 3d party platformer alongside mario galaxy (For example?)

    If it was November and I had a film license on the box, then yes.

  • Zomoniac #97 4 years ago

    Endless Ocean, Wii Play, LostWinds, Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Lego Star Wars, Excite Truck, PES 2008

    So these are all the games you've owned since December 06? 20 months, 8 games, 5 hours a week, I make that around 50 hours a game on average. Given Galaxy can be finish in 20 hours, LSW in

  • Shakey_Jake33 #98 4 years ago

    I'm sold on Animal Crossing alone, but mentioning Wii Music as a title for the 'core' is ironic, given it's exactly that game that the core had a problem with at E3.

  • IronCladChicken #99 4 years ago

    @secombe
    I'm in excatly the same position - I've been playing video games since the mid-seventies, the only console I have now is the Wii -

    I'm currently playing through Okami with a stack of games I've still to run through once thats finished (Mario Kart, Smash Bros & No More Heroes are still in their shrink wrap) - But I'm in no rush :)

    I've definitly not got a problem with the quality of quantity of games being released for the Wii - Though, thats not to say I wouln't mind a couple of big releases for Crimble, I wouldn't really have to the time get into them.

    While I do find I have a lot less time for gaming now I'm old and crusty - Even outside work I have friends, commitments, hell even keeping the house in order sucks up a ton of my free time.

    At the same time I find I prefer to actually enjoy playing the games - rather than play them to get achievements, complete them as soon as possible, etc..

    I also find a lot of multi-award winning games arn't actually that much fun once the buzz around them has worn off - They often seem to be retreads of older titles with flashier graphics and no depth.

    I guess what I'm really saying here is that I'm right and everyone else is wrong - especially teenagers becasue they constantly make bad decisions, have no opinions of their own (only those of their homones and peers) and they smell.

  • lemonfist #100 4 years ago

    It truly sucks to be a Wii owner. I'll be playing Mario Kart and Smash Bros. and Boom Blox for the rest of the year.

  • knocker #101 4 years ago

    @sid nice. I kind of agree with the analogy. Except (as another elderly gamer - and football fan) I'd define the PS1/PS2 as the time gaming went mainstream - the equivalent of an introduction of a Premier League and all-seater stadia.

    Check out the next 360/PS3 head to head article for discussions about games' merits on a par with a discussion of Ronaldo's legs.

    (and you're wrong about girls at football matches - it was the middle classes that changed the atmosphere far more. Much quieter. And made it a place that welcomed the girlies you seem to have a problem with. On the other hand you have a good chance of leaving aground without being spat on or hit these days)
    Edited by 1 at 24/07/08 @ 12:12

  • erp #102 4 years ago

    I'm all over Wario Land - looks ace! - but otherwise this is really very disappointing.

  • darc #103 4 years ago

    "'Are you implying that Nintendo is trying to attract devs by creating a software vaccuum? Where is my tinfoil hat?'

    Almost.. A lot of developers complain about making games for nintendo platforms because it's hard to compete against nintendo's quality."

    In this case, everything is going exactly to plan LOL.