Nintendo games dominating in 2009 Comments by Games Industry.biz

"its the usa that really matters in the "console wars" and its 360 all the way but the uk is an important market now bigger than the much touted(by sony fanboys?) japanese market."

Really?
http://www.videogamer.com/news/360_exten...

Uk market, current gen including DS has sold 24m to date,Wii+360+PS3=11.5m


http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/japan-...

Japanese market, DS alone has sold 26m, wii+360+PS3=12.4m.

Maybe you should check your market figures before you make broad sweeping statements, or you'll end up looking like a MS fanboy trying to trumpet their minor success.

"vgchartz is not too shabby. I also do not believe they are 100% correct. They don't even claim so. Yes, they use estimates, but they do correct based on official data (NPD, charttrack...). But... is there a better / more accurate source?"

vgchartz is hit and miss. Some months they make you think they know what they're doing and other months not so much. I don't know of any better sources, unfortunately.

@Dizzy: "Based on the charts 360 software has been doing really well. They are probably spread out over a lot more titles than the Wii though."

I think this might be a more important factor than we realise- a great deal of casual games have their respective market almost to themselves, or at least have had it that way for an extended period of time- I can't help but think that if there was only one brown FPS on the market, that it would be seeing much higher sales than most BFPSes do.

Can anyone who has access to such statistics tell me how weekly unit sales of Wii Fit have been doing since the launch of EA Sports Active, to prove me catastrophically wrong?

@ronuds: ok, so we both agree there is none better as far as we know. 2nd: I do believe you can trust VGcharts enough to deduct that Wii has sold considerably more, 360 is second and ps3 third. I believe you can use it to "see" that ps3 is not selling all that bad in comparison to 360 world wide. that the gap between the two is not that much in Europe - even though 360 has been on the market a year longer and so on.

btw: i never ever look at their sw charts and only use general lines with their hw. For the latter, I do think you can trust vg enough to deduct all of the above and more, no?

@MeBrains
Have you been paying attention to the thread. It's been reported that within the month between Feb to Jun that the 360 has outsold the Wii. Will this continue to happen, who's to say but using VgCharts as your source to disprove the information is not the best choice.

*phew* Oh, that's alright then .. wii games are charting well... i was beginning to panic

[sarcasm off]

EDIT ha now we see that uk loves 360 gaming and killzone wasnt that great a sucess.EL DEV i was saying that the uk was more important to the "console wars"than japan i.e. 360/ps3 not handhelds which it is at the moment if you add 360 and ps3 instalbase together its slightly larger than the handheld dominated japan therefor more important.also i own both consoles but prefer 360 i am not a fanboy but like to call myself and people like me ADVOCATES FOR XBOX360 GAMING orAFXG for short.AFXG only ambition is to show blind sony bots like yourself what great games and services they are missing.

"AFXG only ambition is to show blind sony bots like yourself what great games and services they are missing."

Oh Donnie, you really need to learn how to do simple research.

So we shal only count the sections of gaming that prove what you want to say to be true, ok. I don't agree with it as the entire market should be looked at, but that's just me being a reasonable and logical thinker.

The UK is only more important to you because the 360 is outselling the PS3 there, I understand that. Many people would argue that this is not the case, and like myself may use sales figures and logic instead of opinion.

AFXG...if you make something that looks like a fork, has the same properties as a fork and does the same job as a fork but you call it a spoon, it's still a fork.

@ MeBrains

Yes, I agree there is none better, but that doesn't mean I'd factor in their guesstimates when trying to prove a point. They really have no idea what's going on in Europe. My guess -- if what people are saying is true -- is that vgchartz is using their normal process of providing information, which is to give estimates based on "historical information" rather than hard numbers.

So, I'd take whatever numbers you see there with a grain of salt. And maybe not even that much.

@Machiavellian: have I paid attention to the thread? I suppose so.

Here it is:
1. post 9: Dizzy says, from these numbers it shows 360 has been outselling Wii. -> I do not have any clue at all how these numbers prove so.
2. post 15: HiredMan says, figures on GAF show that Wii sold 500k this year. 360 sold 700k. -> GAF? What the hell is GAF. I don't know what it is, so I'd rather look to vgchartz.
3. post 17: Yossarian mentions figures from "GAF" say 2:1 in favour of 360. -> same remark.

... then it brabbles on about these figures. I step in, I give my sources (vgchartz) and ask "to correct me if I am wrong, including sources that prove so". All I get is: you are wrong, without any back-up whatsoever.

So again: DO correct me if I am wrong, but give some sources. As it stands, the most reliable source I personally know is vgchartz, knowing to take them with a grain of salt, but by lack of a better alternative, I rather trust these, than trust in "some posts on GAF says so". OK with you?

Have you paid attention?

Why are people buying games released 3 years ago still in such great numbers?

Funny thing is about a year ago (May 08) Sony stated that the PS3 was outselling the Xbox 360 in Europe, a few months later we had Microsoft stating that the Xbox 360 was outselling the PS3.

Sony never again stated that the PS3 was outselling the Xbox 360 or refuted Microsoft claim.

So were does that leave us?

If I use VGChartz I see the Xbox 360 outselling the PS3 in Europe on June 09, getting numbers in Europe is harder that in Japan or North America.

So what is the truth then? I would find it unlikely that Sony would not once again announce they were outselling the XBox 360 if they were over several months in a row, they might be outselling it on a month or another but not over a longer period of time.

Besides, I see the "Nintendo Wi"i on the left upper corner ... considering the long road Nintendo have traveled and the bias towards the PlayStation brand in Europe ... it shows something, it shows that Europe is many things but its not "Sonyland" and after all the crap Sony have given us (delayed release, BC removed from launch models, PSN being far inferior that the rest of the world) they certainly deserve to lie on the bed they made.

Those numbers seem to be directly from Chart-Trak, which is pretty much the UKs version of NPD. So, yeah, those are the right numbers.

It shows the 360 outselling the PS3 by almost 2m in the UK now. 3.9 - 2.2, which is a pretty big increase from the last reported figures.

@MeBrains - let the debate end. Numbers are from Chart-Trak, which are the most official numbers you can get. This should show you how much attention should be paid to vgchartz.

@ronuds: chart track is a lot more trustworthy than vgc for the uk, the NPD is for the US and Mediabrains's (or what was it?) for Japan.

There is ab-so-lu-te-ly no discussion there. Now, comparing chart track's to vg's. I see *largely* the same numbers for the UK. So I be friggen damned, but I still do not see any reason as to why I should NOT look at vg's in order to get the information I need - trends.

Now, can somebody please back up the original claim of "360 is outselling Wii in the uk at least 1.4:1 for the last six months"?!?! -> that was the only question I had and it is STILL not answered / backed-up. VGCharts doesn't show that. NEITHER does charttrack! Where does that info come from?

@ MeBrains

Here's a link to the figures. http://www.gamegroup.plc.uk/gg/media/rel...

Nobody's saying not to use vgchartz, though. I just wouldn't use their numbers as evidence for anything. It's nice for informational purposes, but not much else.

I'm starting to think that the main purpose of gaming is being missed by some people...

halelujah! thanks ronuds. these are interesting numbers and they do have chart track mentioned as their source.

they do indeed show that Wii sold 300K between Jan and Jul, while 360 sold 600K. So, it does not appear to be "bollocks" like I said.

Even more interesting is that DS only sold 100K in the same period. O_o

DSi was released, so that's why DS sales declined so much. Everyone seemed to pretty much ditch the DS once the DSi was released.

uhm yes... never mind the obvious... :rolleyes: @ me...

Then I will remind you El-Dev why we have a console war.

People buy a console to play games but consoles were and still are quite a investment, what happens when the console you brought "looses" the war?

Most consoles are strict gaming devices, only a few had multimedia capabilities that can justify their cost at the time of their release.

The issue is you can end up with a £200 paperweight, that is why many people "fight" the console war since there are historical reasons to do so, Sega is a reminder of what happens to the loosing side ... even Nintendo is with the N64 and GameCube.

Yes ... its the games but are you going to buy a £299 console for a couple of games when you can buy a £199 console for 20 games?

That is the reason why people argue, they picked a side and they fight for their side ... they want their console to win in order to play all the good games.

That is the point for the player side.

"they do indeed show that Wii sold 300K between Jan and Jul, while 360 sold 600K. So, it does not appear to be "bollocks" like I said. "

You should stop f*cking whining and writing annoying "I don't believe it" posts and listen to some of the people on this site. You think we pull stuff out of our ass just to annoy you or what?

lol @ dizzy.

you think I should rather blindly believe everything you guys pull out of your ass?

if you reread my posts here, you'll notice that only one says "i don't believe it" - the rest is an argument about some site's trustworthyness, chapski.