Nintendo DSi Comments by Tom Bramwell

>Just some of the third-party "hardcore" DS games released in 2008:

And how many of those did YOU pay money for? Exactly..

I wonder.. looking at your pictures.. whether you were the kid that got picked on at school - and that's why you're such an asshole on the internet? (get to feel like a big boy while hiding behind your keyboard?)

oooh.. macho man...

You're still a twat though

Sorry, I thought the argument you were making was "that's why 3rd parties dont bother making "hardcore" games for the thing any more"? But now you've been humiliated over that one, you're reduced to changing the subject to some desperate drivel about whether I paid for them or not? Personally I wouldn't give you tuppence for Guitar Hero On Tour if it came with free heroin and Ferraris, but that doesn't change the facts any, you witless prick.

And the facts are that even though the DS is massively pirated and has been for years, it hasn't stopped it being a HUGE sales success, both in software and hardware, and it still is. So you really don't have a point, do you?

This thing has now turned into a farce.

Rev Stuart Campbell:
I was about to drop £2 a month on your website. Instead, I think I'll spend the money on cocaine. It'll last about the same if your comments on here are anything to go by.

It's not a direct dig at you, but you're missing the point as much as everybody else.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE DSI DON'T BUY ONE!!!!

Fucking morons.

Nintendo isn't aiming at any of the people on here, I mean FFS we know what a Mario is, and how to use a Metroid. Nintendo targets OLD PEOPLE AND NON-GAMERS. Get over it. Nintendo are a COMPANY. Companies make MONEY in order to SURVIVE. They don't make things out of the goodness of their heart. It's about PROFIT.

I weep for the future of the world when people want to stop making money.

To reiterate: Fucking Morons.

Stuart Campbell: PM me with reasons I should drop £2 a month on your website. Your 2100 words on the way Metal Slug has changed is not a reason.

DS brings out the child in all of us.

If you don't want to subscribe to WoS, love, that's entirely up to you. If you're looking for a website that tolerates fuckwits like smelly, you'll be disappointed.

And as for "If you don't want a DSi don't buy one", well fucking duh. We all know that already, thanks. But this is a comment thread entirely about whether the DSi is a ripoff or not, so people are making comments on the subject. If you don't want to read them, don't click on them.

But that's the POINT! To me the DSi is not a ripoff any more than the iPod Touch I got given. It's a new hardware iteration. It's not immensely advanced, but so what? Nintendo will make profit from it, and therefore may not go out of business. I mean it's simple economics, really.

Oh, and Beer + lack of games = gaming rage

I am currently suffering from Bottle of Wine + 4 cans of Stella + GHWT Drum Kit that I'm not allowed to drum on.

Fucking Bastards.

I'm sorry not to join in with the bitchfest, but I do not currently own a DS of any kind.

I am very interested in buying a DSi next month. Is this the sensible way to go, or should I purchase a DS Lite?

I don't think you have to worry about poor old Nintendo going out of business any time this century.

Also: I want to know what occurs in the top 10 unknown racing games. I got as far as the coppers on jet bikes then I need to subscribe. Even though I've played the coppers on jet bikes game.

Fackin Liberties.

"I am very interested in buying a DSi next month. Is this the sensible way to go, or should I purchase a DS Lite? "

Right now the only sensible choice is a Lite. The DSi is 50% more expensive, has half the battery life, and no software worth owning (that won't also run on the Lite). In a year's time, who knows?

"Also: I want to know what occurs in the top 10 unknown racing games. I got as far as the coppers on jet bikes then I need to subscribe."

Then you should have read it for free in WH Smith when it was in Retro Gamer...

; )

No software worth owning?

Rhythm Tengoku Gold.

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Also:

I'm guessing Ridge Racer wasn't number 1?

Maybe Rad Mobile?

Rhythm Tengoku Gold is on the ordinary DS, man. The language isn't much of an issue.

But it's DSi Ware innit.




Simple things etc.

I will get back to you Mr Stuart Campbell.

I may still subscribe in the future.

Especially if you would like to employ a writer who hates people. And you would pay. Who is me.

"I don't think you have to worry about poor old Nintendo going out of business any time this century. "

No,.. but lots of 3rd party companies are.


But as you're bringing everything down to your level of school yard insults...


Stuart is an arse
Stuart is an arse
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Stuart is an arse

@seasidebaz: Once you've subscribed - Can you make a copy of it for me to read? I'ld like to take stuarts stance on copyrighted material and not pay him for it..

"No,.. but lots of 3rd party companies are. "

No they're not. Try to keep up.

"I'ld like to take stuarts stance on copyrighted material and not pay him for it.. "

You wouldn't understand all the big words, poppet. It'd be like giving a dog a digital watch.

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Stuart, please don't tempt me with your Digitiser talk.

It's not fair :(

All those moaning about the price should join the world of the DSLR Cameras and associated lenses. We're experiencing 40-60% price increases at the moment due to 'currency fluctutions', yet the console market appears to absorb such things. A lens that was £400 last week is £600 now, camera bodies are shooting up in the hundreds (and in some cases - thousands) of pounds, literally overnight.

Make no mistake, it will be costing Nintendo far more to bring this new product to Europe than many would ever appreciate. And yes, I understand that the majority of gamers live in this strange parallel universe where they expect massive corporations to be their friend and sell to them at a loss, not the profit making entities that they actually are and need to be.

I couldn't care less about the loss of the GBA slot, but since most of my collection is import* I wont pick this up until... ever, I think. My Lite should be fine until DS2.

* Why? Because they're at half price from ours and generally released about six months earlier. At this price point I've even been able to pick up games I haven't been certain would be good just because I felt like it.

Needless to say, if the DS2 is region locked and download-only where games will cost 400SEK+ (which they will, Nintendo are as greedy, or rather as good businessmen, as Flintheart Glomgold) I will think thrice about buying it despite loving the DS. I love a platform where you can afford to take risks when buying games.

DS games have no region, it won't lock you out of those. Or you could just import the system too.

If the DS was locked I wouldn't have been able to buy or play either Ouendan or western released games :/ (or by a japanese DS, but that's not an option).

But the DSi isn't region locked for cartridges, is that so? Is that for already released games or even for upcoming?

peak, from what i've managed to glean the DSi games are region locked. By that i mean any games that use the DSi features will be region locked but normal DS games won't. I'm not sure about the downloadable games though and i'm also not sure if it's mandatory region locking or a developer/publisher decision.

It's the kicker for me too, i'll stay with my old launch DS Phat until there's a compelling game to upgrade to DSi for.

People are still moaning about the loss of R4 as a 'feature' because of their 'emulators'. It's complete bullshit and you know it. People who have an R4 but don't use it for piracy are in an EXTREME minority. Get over it, you're a filthy thieving pirate and you don't deserve to be able to play old spectrum and SNES games for free.

Buy a fucking spectrum off Ebay.

mmm,what big words... I see mainly people who that they're kind of pushed to upgrade to something that they're not sure yet, and looks a bit much like that what they already have. So don't upgrade, and what if the dsi becomes and interesting proposition in the future, with a price drop, interesting software that uses the fast processor and maybe the gadgets in a good way (remember it took a year for developers to understand the DS, early 2005 was filled with tech demo's and stuff). And overpriced? It has been a long time since price was strictly related to cost, and probably they think it will sell. Not to us at the moment, buty maybe in a year.

The DS-lite, has been quite the ultimate console for me in 2008, with all those lovely titles stu mentioned, of which i bought a few, mainly due to availability. The succes of lovely devices as the cycloDS is why they made the DSi for a part, not just to combat piracy, but also because even they noticed that is quite handy to have more than one game with you at the time, which is for me the main reason to use such a device (cyclods+3-1 makes me use all my gba titles on the move). GBA titles were great at the time, many have been followed up now by DSequivalents, and the good one which aren't would make a good downloadable game for the DSi. But people who have and like those games will probably either hold on to their lite, or buy a nice smaller SP+ or micro..

Region locking remains a travesty though

Lol...why are so many people here rushing to defend a company that treats you like shit and has zero respect for the European games market.


Your like a bunch of battered wives, get smacked around and then are dumb enough to stick around and come back for more...

"People who have an R4 but don't use it for piracy are in an EXTREME minority. Get over it, you're a filthy thieving pirate and you don't deserve to be able to play old spectrum and SNES games for free."

My, my. Your arrogant certainty is almost as overpowering as your complete ignorance.

Got a source for that "EXTREME minority" claim, have you? No, didn't think so.

What about people who legitimately own all those Spectrum and SNES games and would just like to play them on the move? What, more to the point, about people who've legitimately bought dozens of DS carts but don't want to drag bulging pocketfuls of games around with them? Are they filthy thieves too?

No, of course they're not, and however much you shout and scream and stamp your feet you have NO IDEA how many people fall into any of these categories. So shush, you silly little twat.

If you want to know why the DSi is so more expensive, it's because the pound has plummeted.

The price level of the DS Lite in Europe is 150 euros, and the DSi will come out at 170 euros. The DS Lite in the UK is 100 pounds and the DSi will be 150 pounds.

Strictly speaking the DS Lite should have gone up in price, perhaps Nintendo are actually selling Lites (edit: in the UK) at a loss these days (we all know how they like to make a profit on every piece of hardware sold without subsidising from games).

What, more to the point, about people who've legitimately bought dozens of DS carts but don't want to drag bulging pocketfuls of games around with them? Are they filthy thieves too?

They're not thieves but they're still flagrantly ignoring the law. It's illegal to use the ROM of a game whether you own it or not. I know this because the EULA that comes packaged in a game says so.

EULA's can say many things, but the law takes precidence.

EULAs mean nothing where they conflict with the law, and UK copyright law explicitly permits the making of backups.

(Section 50(A) of the 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act, if you're interested.)

So if UK law permits it, how do you make a backup of a DS game? I'm pretty sure that most people here don't have the ability to make a romdump. Which then takes us full circle: If there is no way for most people to make a backup, then does the law cover them downloading a backup? At which point, I would once again class that as piracy.
So, people with R4 cartridges are dirty pirates.

"So if UK law permits it, how do you make a backup of a DS game? I'm pretty sure that most people here don't have the ability to make a romdump."

That's neither here nor there. It's not actually that hard to do - all you need is a Slot 2 flashcart and the right free app - but the point is that it's explicitly permitted in law, and the chances of being successfully taken to court for having a ROMdump of a game you legitimately own, whether you dumped it yourself or not, are unimaginably microscopic.

Fair enough, I thought it was a lot harder to do than that (ie requiring some specialist hardware...)

The other thing worthy of note, though, is that if people really DO want to carry all these games around with them, DSiWare will go some way to accommodate that. I know I keep banging on about Rhythm Tengoku, but what you have there is a full game that's being transferred to DLC, in a similar way to the PS Store on PSP. This means it can be stored on an SD card. Now that, to me, sounds like it makes the R4 redundant, unless people really ARE into piracy.

The whole thing to me though is that the DSi is a very good little package. I loved my DS when I had one, and this is another evolution of it in the way that the Game Boy kept evolving all the way up to the Micro.

Well, that point is true if every single game is made available on DSiWare. It's long been a mystery to me why Nintendo haven't come up with an "official" R4, and it makes no commercial sense not to.

And just so we're clear, the only things I have against the DSi are the region-locking and the battery life. The price is OTT, but since when did anyone expect anything else from Nintendo? The battery life is an absolute deal-breaker, though.

Who are the pissants on the internet complaining about this toy? If you don't want one, don't buy one, and don't discuss it with anyone ever either because it's interminably boring. Easy.

"Who are the pissants on the internet complaining about this toy? If you don't want one, don't buy one"

I hope you die of cancer before you have children.

Cancer, eh? That trusty standby which one can always turn to for a flippant reply when other sources of humour let one down.

The pathologically cretinous shouldn't breed. It's for the best for everyone.

Not far enough down that you don't feel the need to read the story, read three pages of comments and then post one, though.

The pathologically cretinous shouldn't breed. It's for the best for everyone.

Indeed.

Stuart thinks piracy isnt theft and doesnt effect anyone.

So I personally say everyone who's paying a subscription to his website shouldnt do so - only one person should and he should pirate the contents for everyone else.

Maybe that's the only way the stuck up pompous dick will "get it"

the chances of being successfully taken to court for having a ROMdump of a game you legitimately own, whether you dumped it yourself or not, are unimaginably microscopic.

Kinda depends how you obtained it if you didn't dump it yourself. Just ask Davenport Lyons.

Why do so many people hate this?

As a ds owner i am glad they are not bringing out a completly new system so games will keep coming for it

The internet distribution can only be beneficial to gamers. Reduced cost of distribution = more money to spend on general development = more "risky" new ips and an easier way for indy developers to get in on the act.

Plus there is the posibility of online updates for buggy games (although havent yet found one on the ds) and better online gaming.

If the crazy genious japs think of some more crazy genious ways of using the camaras in game then that could potentially be fantastic.

£50 more isn't much considering its got onboard memory, more powerfull cpu and more ram.

So... I wont be getting one straight away because i am happy with my current one. But if it turns out good then i will get one. Will it be successful? Of course it will

"Kinda depends how you obtained it if you didn't dump it yourself. Just ask Davenport Lyons. "

Davenport Lyons know as much about copyright law as my dog's arse does. And I don't even own a dog. They're good at bullying people who don't know any better, but if they tried to bring a case against someone for owning a backup of a game they'd legitimately bought they'd get laughed out of the country. Not least because copyright infringement is a civil issue, and to win a case you have to prove actual direct loss. Which is kinda difficult if the person HAS bought the game.

"So I personally say everyone who's paying a subscription to his website shouldnt do so - only one person should and he should pirate the contents for everyone else."

Why don't you drop them all a line and see if they agree? It might save you embarrassing yourself on here with any more idiot lies and clueless bullshit.

Davenport Lyons know as much about copyright law as my dog's arse does. And I don't even own a dog. They're good at bullying people who don't know any better, but if they tried to bring a case against someone for owning a backup of a game they'd legitimately bought they'd get laughed out of the country. Not least because copyright infringement is a civil issue, and to win a case you have to prove actual direct loss. Which is kinda difficult if the person HAS bought the game.

Which is of course why they are suing for the methods of distribution, which is my point.

Sorry, what IS your point? We were talking about a person with legitimate games putting backups of them on an R4 for convenience. Who said this person was distributing anything? You're not suggesting that a bunch of ambulance-chasers like Davenport Lyons are going to bring down the entire filesharing network, are you?

I realise you're searching for a single point to mock with the arrow-like focus of a guy with Aspergers on top of his OCD, but I'm just trying to point out that there are more things to consider than just a copyright loophole.