Nintendo: core games in development
With "all development teams".
Nintendo has denied neglecting core gamers and claims to have new projects based on existing IP in development with "all development teams".
"We have never neglected our core gamers. We still have developers working on popular core gaming franchises but we need longer to complete these games, approximately two to three years," the company told the October issue of Edge.
"These games are not ready to launch in early 2009 but are being worked on by all development teams."
The statement was published at the end of - although apparently not in response to - a ten-point list outlining the magazine's interpretation of Nintendo's decision to focus on profitable casual products with lower overheads.
It echoes comments made by company president Satoru Iwata in Forbes last month. "If there is any perception that Nintendo is ignoring the core gamers, it's a misunderstanding and we really want to get rid of that misunderstanding by any means," Iwata had said.
Nintendo took a hit with the core demographic last month after its E3 press conference was devoid of announcements for key IP like Mario and Zelda - although Iwata did say both teams were "hard at work" to "bring new titles to Wii".
The platform holder also unveiled Animal Crossing: City Life and Wii Music, and promised a winter release for a DS version of Grand Theft Auto.
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Honestly, in this day and age there is no excuse for this closed-doors crap.
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Just so people know, I play my Wii a lot, including Wii Fit, but Okami and No More Heroes are t3h r0fl b3st!
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Exactly what "shite" have they been releasing? As far as I know Nintendo haven't released anything 1st party lately. I'm also puzzled how your reaction to them "developing core games" means they have lost the plot.
Honestly though, it is frustrating to not have a glimpse of anything.
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The games will come - they always do, I don't see why people suddenly thought that because they've not been announced that we're not going to see another Mario/Zelda, a Starfox game, a Kirby game, a new IP or two... Etc. With new IPs they really have to keep it quiet because people have a habit of going "OH MY GOD WTF WTF THIS IS DIFFERENT THEREFORE IT WILL BE SHIT" when it comes to new stuff from Nintendo (Pikmin, the Wii controller and the name 'Wii', the DS, etc.)
I'd rather they keep it quiet then announce and release within a few months, rather than do a Twilight Princess or that murderous wait for Smash Bros Brawl, with the blog handing out teeny tiny bits of sweet sweet information per day.
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aka: Mario [insert activity]
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I'd really like to see another Zelda on DS, even if it's just an Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask bumper fun bag.
Actually, forget the "even if" part. I REALLY want to see remakes of these two games on DS.
Colour me retro.
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There is something fishy about that sentence but I can't put my finger on it...
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A new Zelda would be nice, so long as they change the format a little. I'm getting tried of playing out the same premise with the same ideas for the last 20-odd years.
They should also make the effort to bring back some of their older, forgotten IPs.
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Looked at the line up for this year and there wasn't a single game that got me really excited. Why has the most sold console got a release list that sucks furry balls? Anyone? I'm thinking everytime someone tries to develop a game Nintendo go round to their house and stick pins in their eyes. Why is no-one developing decent games?
Surely for every family that gets out Wiifit for the grandparents there's a young lad that wants a Timesplitters or something like Forza, there are so many games for the old X-box and PS2 that are far superior to anything on the Wii - driving games, FPS's, a Soul Calibur that's not shite. Do developers not realise that for every home that has a casual gamer who bought the Wii, there's probably a 'serious' gamer that can't be arsed to buy a 360 or PS3 but would snap up a really good driving game or Timesplitters clone. Do these games just not sell or what?
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"Nintendo have lost the plot! All they seem to be doing is releasing no end of shite for kids! I used to be a major Nintendo fan but my Wii is now gathering dust whilst the XBOX360 gets non stop use..... "
Oh the irony, "non stop use" until you go back to school next Monday.
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Off course they're producing core-games. What did you expect? Their employees can't reach their computer because it's under a pile of money?
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From here on in it's time to work for your money. People want games of all varieties not just the current sea of gimmickry.
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Ah. That's nice to know. I look forward to seing what they have in store.
/continues playing RTG
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FYI - I have a PS3, 360 and Wii. The Wii was purchased on the day of release and, granted, it does have some top games but Nintendo have obviously seen a market and, IMO, have let the 'hardcore' gamers down with this system. Yes, the controls are intuitive but who really wants to play games like Pro Evo with the Wii controls when it is so much better on the 360? I have been buying and playing Nintendo games since the days of the Game and Watches and feel that the company has forgotten it's hardcore fan base. The DS though is a different matter, great system , many great games...
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Here's hoping. There are potentially interesting games in developement such as The Conduit, Cold Mountain, de Blob, Little Kings Story, Mushroom Men and MadWorld. Plus there are more obscure titles published by Nintendo such as Fatal Frame and Captain Rainbow so perhaps they are looking to establish those franchises a bit more too.
However, most of these won't see the light of day this year so I'm hoping they'll be something interesting from Nintendo soon to keep the little white beauty occupied.
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You've obviously not played it as the Pro Evo Wii is significantly different from Pro Evo 360 and happily sit alongside each other rather than being an either/or decision that you have with the PS3/360 version.
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RE4 and Red Steel selling over a million copies each on the platform is proof of an audience being there, but almost no one is making a serious effort of reaching them. Lazy.
Edit: I put a bit of blame on Nintendo for this situation, actually. I'm sure they could have gotten some more support if they would have tried harder and being more supportive (not that I know how much support they are giving at the moment
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The GameCube certainly went through a barren period once Wind Waker had come out and Mario Kart was the only big 1st party title for Christmas 2003. The N64 went through a similar phase too but had the benefit of frequent Rare releases.
Far from being a sign of Nintendo having gone for the so-called casual gamer it's just a predictable part of owning a Nintendo console. Perhaps Nintendo need to spend more time courting potential 2nd party developers or securing decent 3rd party exclusives for these periods when their own creations dry up.
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You're all demanding core games from nintendo.. So they're making them.. but those types of games take a LONG time to make (unless you're churning out a halo every other year).
As for the comments going "we dont want another mario/zelda/whatever". Speak for your fucking selves. I dont want another halo - all 3 have played exactly the fucking same. Mario galaxy has some of the most innovative game design/levels i have ever played. Only a complete fucking moron would say it wasnt a great game and something we want more of.
Seems to me that the people who'll complain endlessly about nintendo doing lots of (very different) mario games - are the first people in line to buy the next carbon copy fps game which is the same as every other fucking fps before it.
Besides, everyone here seems to be quick to jump on nintendo for not making "enough" 1st party games.. How many 1st party microsoft games has the 360 had? Or the ps3 for that matter...
As for 3rd party games.. Didnt strongbad just get a good score of 8/10 this very day?
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Metacritic:
Pro Evo Soccer 2008 360 - 76%
Pro Evo Soccer 2008 Wii - 83%
So erm.. how do you judge the 360 version to be (in your words) "so much better on the 360"? I presume you obviously havent played the superior wii version?
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Unfortunately, I think this is exactly what they do.
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Do you know why Nintendo doesn't show off their new games like three years before they're released? In the process of letting their creative minds flourish, they change the game maybe even for the better but everyone gets their panties in a wad because they wanted another cookie cutter Zelda game, and when they finally do cave in and release Twilight Princess and Smash Bros. Brawl they bitch about how they don't change enough while praising Halo 3 for being the exact same bullshit that was released in 2004 but with prettier graphics and a new gun.
Everyone acts like it's the worst thing in the world that you have to wait a whole year before Nintendo releases another game, god forbid you actually have some patience and play other games in the time being, or even maintain some sort of contact with the outside world, it's not like games are the only source of entertainment. I mean for fuck's sake.
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@Santino: +1 .. Although bare in mind this is nintendo.. I dont expect a direct sequel - i'm expecting completely new mechanics and stuff too!
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Talk about willingly missing the point. I pay for a machine. They should give me the games or the machine doesn't warrant the purchase. You may be happy with waiting, I'm not. If I have to shell out some money, I expect several new HQ 1P games a year. If they fail in that, it is fair to criticise them when they attempt to hold up this blatant pr lie. Fair enough that they cut themselves off from their roots and went casual but please don't insult people.
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Umm... actually, I do. Especially Zelda. More than anything else Nintendo have in their stables. Zelda is pretty much one of Nintendo's most bankable titles, and Twilight Princess - although more a Greatest Hits than a fresh take on the forumla - is still one of the better games of the past few years.
Next Zelda I hope really pushes the series forward again though.
As for the odd comments angry that Nintendo has nothing good coming out - okay, guilty as charged for now. Games take time to put together. This year I think will be the turn of the 3rd-parties to show some muscle, and damn right they need to be showing it as well - there's plenty of really nice stuff coming out on the Wii if you look beyond the cheapp stuff (which is infecting everything right now, Nintendo aren't the only guilty party!).
Basically, Nintendo have thrown out some damn fine first-party titles. Now they need time to work on new stuff. And for now, the third parties are jumping into that gap (you'd almost think they were waiting for Nintendo to take a break from their big names!).
Of course, I'd love to have some idea of what Nintendo have in store, but at the same time - when you're trying to get other developers releasing stuff, it's not always good to announce something like a new Zelda (which would get blanket coverage to the point of inducing orgasms).
It sucks, I know. I hate it too. But Nintendo have the interests of the Wii at heart, and getting third parties to release stuff now is important. When Nintendo are ready, they will be ready, but I will say this. if they have a new Zelda in the pipeline, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NINTENDO DO NOT RUSH IT!!!
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When I 1st heard that the wii's coming with it's hype, I thought WOW motion controls, they're really gonna take our core games to the next level & leaving console lovers gelious.
BANG!!! they concentrate on crap like wii music & get over the top with wii fit lol. It's all toooooo casaul for me.
So I think for the 1st time I'm gonna give microsoft ago (Since nintendo is taking time out). On the plus side my little girl is amost 3 & shes starting to enjoy the wii. So not a complete total lost lol.
WAKE ME UP WHEN THE CASAUL CRAP ENDS!!!
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I wouldnt ... after my 6th (?!?!) repair from microsoft i'm selling the fucking unstable piece of shit and buying a ps3.
>I pay for a machine. They should give me the games or the machine doesn't warrant the purchase
So.. where are all these great first party xbox games that microsoft are giving you?
Be thankful nintendo still make games.. and are the biggest (and i say best) games developers out there. If they'd gone the microsoft/sony route and just relied on 3rd party games - gaming would be a bit boring and shit by now (only so many fps games one person can play!)
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You paid for the machine with the prospect of playing Nintendo games in the FUTURE, unless you bought Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Smash, etc. all at launch. It's called an investment. Don't worry, your machine isn't going to spontaneously combust if Nintendo doesn't release a new game for it every month. Within a six month time frame, Nintendo launched Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and Mario Kart Wii. Their resources are exhausted and they're making your fucking core games. Tell you what, when the amount of "casual" games that Nintendo has made outnumbers the amount of "core" games you can start claiming that they've strayed from their original intention. Actually you can't, because Super Mario Bros. on the Famicom had the same purpose that Wii Sports does today, to attract new players to a medium that they weren't interested in before. If you're telling me that Super Mario Bros. isn't Nintendo's roots then you're either fucking crazy, stupid, or even both, which I'm betting is most likely.
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Twilight Princess: first appearance - E3 2004, release date - December 2006. Just making a point, although I personally think they deliberately held back the GC release to make it a Wii launch title.
Also, we know that 1st party games take time to make, but it's been friggin' years since we've had a new F-Zero, Kid Icarus, Luigi, Pikmin, etc. What are these development teams doing then? The Wii has been out almost 2 years now; I think it's fair to expect more decent 1st party games on the way than there is.
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It is not a new surprising fact that games take time to put together. If Nintendo has no proper games out this Christmas, or at all in the forseeable future before next E3 time, it's because 18 months ago they decided it wasn't worth bothering to have any ready.
NOW, they've noticed that there's a tide of displeasure at this, and are paying lip-service to resuming business as usual, whilst producing zero evidence. Nintendo have vaguely said that they're working on new Mario / Zelda / Pikmin things, but knowing Nintendo there's up to a 50 percent chance they won't even be made. Remember the follow-up to Mario 64 for the gamecube? No you don't, because it never happened.
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Perhaps it was the kick-off at E3? It'd be nice to think they listen to fans.
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...And now hope that they influence Nintendo.
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I hope Aonuma reads that (fake) interview and takes some inspiration from it. But I seriously doubt they would have voices, insane characters and everything in a Zelda title.
Interesting ideas, though.
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But how many of you losers have actually thought they're intentionally putting a hole in the market?
Nintendo have a problem with 3rd party devs. The problem is 3rd parties are scared of making games for a nintendo platform as it means compeiting with a (normally superior) nintendo game. Subsequently there's a lack of 3rd party games.
Maybe nitnendo thought to themselves "well maybe we'll hold these games back, make them more special - and allow 3rd parties to shine for a bit".
And that's what's happening.. have you seen mad world (par example)?
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Exactly!!
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The games they started working on 2-3 years ago were Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and Mario Kart Wii.
Don't be a dumbass.
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When I 1st heard that the wii's coming with it's hype, I thought WOW motion controls, they're really gonna take our core games to the next level & leaving console lovers gelious.
BANG!!! they concentrate on crap like wii music & get over the top with wii fit lol. It's all toooooo casaul for me.
So I think for the 1st time I'm gonna give microsoft ago (Since nintendo is taking time out). They don't have much 1st games, but their 3rd partly games are great. Even though the ps3 is the top console, the producers that make the next gan games limit them to the xbox360 anyway. On the plus side my little girl is amost 3 & shes starting to enjoy the wii. So not a complete total lost lol.
WAKE ME UP WHEN THE CASAUL CRAP ENDS!!!
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Don't like Animal Crossing? There's your core game. Have fun with it.
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I know nintendo are secretitve about un finished games.. but that'd be stupid!
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I know nintendo are secretitve about un finished games.. but that'd be stupid! "
It was leaked to German retailers, someone on GAF found out.
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