Nintendo announces 3DS handheld
To be unveiled at E3.
Nintendo has announced plans to unveil a new handheld called the Nintendo 3DS as E3 this June.
The handheld will be released before the end of March 2011 and will allow the player to experience 3D games without 3D glasses.
It will also be backwards compatible with existing DS games.
The announcement appeared on Nintendo's Japanese website today.
Check out Digital Foundry's In Theory piece on what Nintendo may go for out of available 3D technologies.
Thanks to EG forumites for the heads-up on the press release.
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Looking forward to seeing this at E3!!
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found it too for you all to gawk over... here's it: [link url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5QSclrIdlE&feature=player_embedded
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5QSclrId...[/link]
waw!
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edit:
Actually that seems to be running on a DSi so it might well not be the same technology?
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Now there can be no doubt about the next Wii being "not just HD" but also 3D. With no glasses
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:-0
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Although at first I thought the "3" might stand for three screens, d'oh!
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Seem brilliant but as others say, gonna be processor heavy if they are serious about really enabling 3d games and in magnitude of 2 gens above NDS. We are talking about PS2/Xbox graphical processing as a minimum? The benefit beyond 3D is that we would be able to see console equivalent output on 3DS.
BioShock 3DS and so on.
Cant imagine Nintendo suddenly becomes the hardware leader in term of processing and yet cheap enough to manufacture and sells massively.
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impressive technology still and 3D-without-glasses it is. maybe this 3DS thing is a continuation of this tech?
we'll see. roll on E3!
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As for the tech demo on the DSi, I assume that this is just a placeholder. I distinctly remember reading that the next generation of the DS would have a much smaller area between the screens, and that would definitely make sense in terms of making the 3D effect look its best.
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So, to work without glasses 3D will need a separate display per eye. And whilst that DSi tech demo is neat, for a more robust and flexible effect it's best that those separate displays are isolated... This really is starting to sound like the Virtual Boy!
Edit: IGNORE ME! I stand corrected and humbled by those talking about lenticular displays below. I didn't know such magic was possible.
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No 3DS = Three double screens= 6 screens!!
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That said give me a 3D conversion of wind waker and I'll sell my mum for this!
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Separate display per eye? I believe that the screen does all the work of creating the 3D image without glasses, unless I'm mistaken.
Glasses give a pop-out 3D effect, like you'd see at the cinema, where glasses free would be a pop-in I would assume. Where it would be like looking through a window into a virtual 3D world with depth.
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DS is like 1995 hardware so i don't think that will be a problem.
Besides don't expect every game to be in "3D"...
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The screen has a funny lens arrangement that directs different images toward each eye, provided you hold it at the right angle to your face (which is a lot easier with a handheld than it is with, say, a living room TV).
This camera:
[link url=http://www.fujifilm.com/products/3d/camera/finepix_real3dw1/
]http://www.fujifilm.com/products/3d/came...[/link]
has such a display. I've seen one, and it looks OK.
Here's a video:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhDKJ1hUo00
">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhDKJ1hUo00
</a>
though obviously you can't see the effect properly on the video since it's not in 3D.
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From what I can tell, the Nvidia Tegra likely to be in this console is in a similar power range to the PowerVR SGX chip in iPhone 3GS, iPad, Palm Pre and new high-end Android phones like the Nexus One and Droid. And therefore you can expect similar poly counts to PSP, but with potentially fancier effects applied thanks to the programmable pixel pipelines. At GDC, Nvidia had the same Unreal Engine 3 demo running on an unnamed Tegra device as Epic had going on iPhone 3GS and Palm Pre.
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Plus, as far as I'm aware, nobody makes fuji-style 3D displays that are resistive touch enabled.
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Thanks Nintendo for releasing a slightly better product year on year without any significant advantage! I love you nearly as much as I love Apple!!!
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What's odd about this is the timing of the announcement. Pre-emptive strike? Did Nintendo fear a leak? It's certainly keen to retain its stranglehold on the handheld market, arguably more so than it wants to win the war for your telly.
Whatever the reason, E3's certainly going to be exciting.
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Hmm. I don't see how they'd get a 3D image without glasses, so instead of an actual 3D image I think this is where the accelerometers would come into play, allowing you to tilt the console backwards and forwards to manipulate the "3D" space on the screen. That would allow Nintendo to say it's a 3D console, it wouldn't require glasses and it wouldn't require 60fps refresh rates to give a smooth image.
The reality would be a little disappointing compared to the suggestion, but it's more realistic IMO.
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Maybe they got wind of another company announcing their own 3D handheld so got the news out first? they have other stuff to announce at e3 so thought they'd announce this now...or it could simply be because their financial year is about to end so they want to create a buzz for the next year.
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Let me explain.
Look at this image:
[link url=http://innovativegames.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/crosseye.jpg
]http://innovativegames.net/blog/wp-conte...[/link]
If you cross your eyes properly, at an appropriate distance, you can see the hallway in 3D.
Now imagine that the screen has a lens effect that does the eye-crossing for you SO YOU CAN JUST LOOK AT THE DEVICE NORMALLY, so one image is sent in one direction, and another in the other direction. Thus, you get glasses-free 3D. However, if you tilt the screen away from your face, you'll see one image, the other, or both ghosted on top of one another.
Funny, thinking about it, this sort of 3D tech won't work very well with the accelerometers that were rumoured to be included in the device. If it has them, I guess games will have to use one or the other.
Edit: perhaps if I put stuff in bold, people will actually bloody read past the first sentence of this post.
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[link url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAg1s7xfz0&feature=player_embedded
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAg1s7xf...[/link]
old school Leisure Suit Larry > 3D technology
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Any bets?
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Smoke and mirrors, without the smoke.
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Sorry, but I really don't see Nintendo releasing a console that asks you to cross your eyes and hold it a special distance from your face.
edit: I'm getting voted down for this, so I guess you must all think he's right on the money with that one.
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Tiny mirrors, embedded in the glass, direct left and right images to either side. You won't have to cross your eyes, but you will have to look straight at the screen.
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Mario Kart 3D would be a no brainer for launch as it would be a great style of game to show off the tech.
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LOL... ok, let's get real here. Nintendo is not planning on launching a device where the consumer is require to "cross" his/her eyes to get a 3D effect.
3D displays which do not require special glasses are on the market (called autostereoscopic) and that's propably the display tech Nintendo plan on using. One of the limitation of autostereoscopic displays is the the limited angles where the 3D effect is working, but for a handheld device the angle is allready narrover and may not be a issue.
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Pricks.
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23/03/10 @ 11:27
Nintendo innovate again! While I'm a little annoyed that ANOTHER DS is coming out, I can't deny this could potentially be very special. Now we can all wait to see how Sony try to imitate them. I give them 6 months until we see a prototype 3D PSP.
Any bets?
It's hardly innovation is it. 3d is the way everything will probably end up in gaming sooner or later, even if it does end up being a huge waste of time with hindsight. Nintendo have just announced their hardware before everyone else. They've said nothing to make me thing it will be particularly innovative. Yet.
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Actually, you idiot, DF does discuss the flat-screen display with mirrors approach (at the end), and says that it would be a perfect fit for the 3DS, just that he thinks it unlikely that Nintendo would use tech that it is unreliable in low lighting conditions (which doesnt mean anything - they could have a solution to that). So shove that up your arse and smoke it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenticular_...
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Actually, you moron, as DF and a load of other people on here have already worked out, Nintendo isn't going to alienate their casual user-base with technology that only works under special circumstances in unique conditions. It will have to be pick-up-and-play - intuitive and easy to use so that even grandparents and soccer moms can use it (as with the current lineup of DS consoles).
If you want real, cutting edge, untested technology that only works if you squint at the right angle then you'll have to look elsewhere.
Anyone except total pricks like you can see that.
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Yes - because DF *Really* know what they're talking about.. *sigh*.
I've seen 3d screens which work without glasses.. and without head tracking.. And they work... And handheld sized ones will be more than viable.
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Lenticular displays are hard to turn off for a 2d game.. so unless they have some whizz bang new tech (unlikely) it wont be backwards compat with DS.
MORE LIKELY (imho - and as andrew oliver says) is the parallax approach.. Which is basically a layered screen.. You dont get images popping out at you, but you do get a really good perception of depth..
Could be wrong. But i think those predicting just head tracking are WAAY off, as you can do that with the DSi in software - and would only work for the person playing (Which'd be a crap for showing it off in game shops, etc).
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Erm.. I dont know where you're getting this "needing to squint" or "right angle" stuff from? 3d displays have existed for years, they work from a wide angle range (about the same as a normal lcd screen), and dont require you to squint
So i dont know why you're getting offensive there? Why are you so upset you need to call people "pricks" who seem to know more about the availble tech than you do?
Quote "Nintendo isn't going to alienate their casual user-base with technology that only works under special circumstances in unique conditions"
Exactly.. which is why they almost definately WONT be doing head tracking - which only works for the person playing.. under special circumstances.. (unless you had a blue glowing ball on your head ala playstation move).
Japan are already putting 3d screens in nearly everything from phones to cameras.. the prospect of having it in a games machine 1 year away isnt exactly sci-fi.
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Yes - because DF *Really* know what they're talking about.. *sigh*.
Yes they do, and they said the same thing I said this morning so... thanks for backing up my point.
Erm.. I dont know where you're getting this "needing to squint" or "right angle" stuff from?
Really? That's odd. Try reading the post I was quoting.
Why are you so upset you need to call people "pricks" who seem to know more about the availble tech than you do?
So someone who's suggesting that Nintendo will employ a technology that requires you to squint (read the fucking post before you reply) knows more about it than I do?
And smelly, I wouldn't *start* getting on my high horse if I were you. We all remember your claims from back in the day that the Wii would be just as powerful as the 360 and PS3. We all remember how you were adamant that Nintendo would somehow be able to put together a console that was just as powerful and sell it for £200 at a profit while Sony and Microsoft would be selling theirs at a loss.
Yeah, that showed us all exactly how much of a fuck-wit Nintendo fanboy you are, so I really wouldn't count on anyone taking anything you have to say about a new Nintendo handheld seriously.
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[link url=http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/12/3d_illusion/
]http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/12/...[/link]
And that was from 6 years ago.. so tech is almost definitely far enough ahead now to work..
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I'm not sure what I expect Sony to do with the PSP, though. They clearly need to do something, but PSP Go has bombed. In terms of graphical quality, Tegra and PowerVR SGX chips aren't so much more powerful than PSP that it'd make much difference to the games. What they probably need to do is keep the hardware spec as-is, but just bite the bullet, put a phone in it and slash the prices of their downloadable games.
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Hiya. Regarding Tegra not being much more powerful than the current PSP, did you see the DF post that talked specifically about that? They seemed to think a Tegra-powered follow-up would be a lot more powerful because it would contain a lot more cores.
I don't have the link but it will be on their site. It's a good read.
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No i didnt.. If you search and read.. you'll see in context it was when we were discussing low def vs high def and before we knew specs of machines - i said that in THEORY even if it had less power than the other 2, because it was outputting in low def it could possibly have more effects and more things on screen as it wasnt wasting time rendering at a higher resolution.. And in theory a game running at lower resolutions could use the extra power to look better than those running at higher resolutions... And that high resolutions dont automatically make a game look better.
Turns out the wii had less power than we thought back then.. but i was right, which is why games like halo 3 dont run at 720p... And why (imho) mario galaxy is one of the best looking games of this gen despite running at low-def.
And yes - play the "smelly is a nintendo fanboy" card if you like.. anyone who bothers to look at my gamer profile will see i spend easily more time on the 360 than wii.
But why are you so defensive and angry? Are you some psp lover who's currently very upset? I wouldnt be if i were you, im sure sony will do their own version of this tech - when it's proved succesful.
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[link url=http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/nintendo-3ds-to-come-with-3d-control-stick-vibration-and-sha/
]http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/ninte...[/link]
quote : suggesting that the new portable game machine with feature a parallax barrier LCD from Sharp
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Yes perlease
hopethe 3D is quite impressive (not expecting miracles just something that will make me feel a bit more like im living in the future), reasonably priced, well back lit and can hold a charge
Always buy the first incarnation of Nintendo handhelds and always update to the "lite/advanced". Hope they get it closer to right the first time round this time!
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I reckon Nintendo will use a cheap one, though. They have certainly done that with the Arm chips in both GBA, DS and DSi up to this point.
One thing the 3DS certainly won't have at launch is the ability to be used as a telephone, even if it does have some sort of whispersync-style 3G network connectivity in it, as has been mooted. That's the angle Microsoft are working for mobile games with Windows Phone 7 Series, and that's where Apple is at.
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Interesting to see what Sony do about it. Maybe they'll come up with something that Nintendo will copy 10 years later...
[link url=http://www.mywii.com.au/img/news/NewsSuggest_RSQWBSYW.jpg
]http://www.mywii.com.au/img/news/NewsSug...[/link]
I'm expecting red, but try to imagine a smiley where these words are.
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I do hope this doesn't produce a race to 3D and leave developers neglecting 2D, I like my 2D handheld games.
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But if this brings something new and isn't to big then I may well be in.
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I dunno.. Take a game like NSMB - now just seperate it into say 3 seperate planes.. where you control mario on the foreground, and the background has depth behind him.. and when you kick a turtle it flies out the screen.
it'd still be 2d gameplay.. but would take advatnage of the 3d depth and stuff.
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And, not to mention the iphone/ipod touch... which has gone thru 3 iterations in a couple of years.
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"I felt aggrieved when they announced the DSi XL straight after I bought my DSi. Now I'm kinda glad I couldn't afford an XL at launch, a couple of weeks before they decide to announce this. But would it be too much to ask them to just release the supadupa 3DSi XL to begin with this time around instead of messing us about again? I know they like to fleece us, but come on! "
So you bought a pair of trousers, they announce a larger size and you felt aggreived, LOL
If the regular DSi was too small or it didn't have all the features you need, then why the fu#k buy it?
All DSs are still a current platform and supported by the industry. It's good that Nintendo can evolve them for the new gamers who come into the hobby.You should feel aggrieved your parents produced a whinging tw#t who's never happy with his toys.
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