PS3 to ship without HDMI lead

By Ellie Gibson Published 5 September, 2006

In the US, and probably Europe.

North American gamers planning to purchase a 60GB PlayStation 3 will need to purchase a HDMI cable if they want to see those fancy graphics at their finest.

That's according to the specs page on the official US PS3 website, which notes: "HDMI cable not included. Additional equipment may be required to use the HDMI connector."

Sony has long promoted the 60GB PS3's HDMI output as a key feature of the machine. The 20GB model, however, doesn't feature HDMI - and nor does the Xbox 360, as it goes, despite occasional rumours of a hardware revision in the offing.

SCE UK declined to comment on whether the 60GB PS3 will also ship without a HDMI cable here. However, sources close to Sony speculate that Europe will follow the US example by not including a cable in the box, due to the fact that the majority of buyers won't yet own a HDMI-ready TV - and those that do will already have a HDMI lead anyway.

Instead, PS3 is highly likely to be sold with a composite cable and SCART adaptor - just like the PS2.

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  • Tejstar #1 6 years ago

    Who needs HDMI anyway, as long as it has component I'll be happy.

  • Steroyd #2 6 years ago

    It would be stupid and pricey for Sony to include Composite and HDMI cables with the PS3.

    It's gotta be one or the other and smart money will be on the one that is compatible with 100% of homes.

    oh i forgot it's "Hate Sony Season"

    Damn Sony why do they keep ****ing up?
    Edited by 1 at 05/09/06 @ 13:11

  • Tejstar #3 6 years ago

    Also, composite cable and SCART adaptor is not an option. If the Premium 360 can ship a component cable with it then Sony had better too!

  • Steroyd #4 6 years ago

    ack i've got my componant, composite HDMI, DVI, SCART mixed up.

    there was a time when you only needed one type of cable... awe the old days.

  • coojam #5 6 years ago

    So hang on, there won't be ANY hi definition cables in the box AT ALL? Err...

  • lennon #6 6 years ago

    Perhaps thay have decided they are not ready to start the high definition era yet....

  • richardiox #7 6 years ago

    Wah

    SURELY that can't ship without any sort of HD lead? I guess now they havent got the £20 memory card sub-tax they have to get it from elsewhere.

    Seriously though, "two outputs running at 1080p" etc etc and then to not even include the lead. One you get anyway in the cheaper pack (which afaik wont even be released here). So to play PS3 in HD you need to spend £425 or whatever it is for the console, £20 say for HDMI and £45 say for a game.

  • Huntcjna #8 6 years ago

    Stuff like this is making me care less and less about this consoles launch by the day.

    I can honestly see me not taking any kind of interest until this time next year at the earliest, unless there is some kind of killer first party title I can't get on the 360.

  • Yossarian #9 6 years ago

    wait, no component either? what the fuck Sony

  • RedPanda #10 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • NoQuarter #11 6 years ago

    You don't need a HDMI cable for HD output.

  • richardiox #12 6 years ago

    "You don't need a HDMI cable for HD output. "

    Yeah but you do need a HD cable of some sort. According to the article, and this will hopefully change, Sony arent going to include any HD leads in the retail PS3 box.

  • smelly #13 6 years ago

    For a company which is really pushing the HD output of its console, this does seem rather strange.

    And a brill way to add even more money onto the price of an already expensive console.

    (gaurantee it'll be a ps3 specific special adapter and wont be cheap)

  • dose #14 6 years ago

    As Steroyd says, there's no way Sony would put in a cable that the minority of buyers would use. They have to supply a cable that 99% of buyers would be able to use plug in and use straight away.

  • InfiniteFury #15 6 years ago

    /is *so* glad he didn't get suckered into an HDTV this early
    Edited by 1 at 05/09/06 @ 13:33

  • bauhaus #16 6 years ago

    Hang on?!? My TV aint got HDMI only componant, does thats mean I¬m stuffed?

  • Toothball #17 6 years ago

    It's not so bad. The Gamecube launched in Japan without any video cable in the box at all. I ended up using the composite cable that came with my SNES for years after that.

  • richardiox #18 6 years ago

    @dose

    supply both then or better still a switcher unit like with the 360 so you can have component/composite. i assume you could do a smililar system with hdmi/composite?

  • hjarg666 #19 6 years ago

    I actually own a HD television. Not that it wasn't a total waste of money in my opinion- but i don't watch much tv anyway. Wifey loves it though, so it's all for good :)

    Still, i don't have any HDMI leads. So basically, this is not true that these who have have the leads as well.

    Bah, advertising HDMI as the main reason to buy and then forgetting to add cables...

  • neilka #20 6 years ago


    Step 1: Buy 100+ HDMI leads at £5.70 each:
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    ]http://cp c.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/...[/link]

    Step 2: Wait until November and sell to PS3-buying fools on eBay

    Step 3: PROFIT!

  • Tejstar #21 6 years ago

    @bauhaus

    Component is fine for HD.

  • smelly #22 6 years ago

    As Steroyd says, there's no way Sony would put in a cable that the minority of buyers would use.

    Why not? They put in a bluray player, hd output, etc - that according to you only a minority would use?

  • bauhaus #23 6 years ago

    @Tejstar

    Yeah mate, I`m running my Xbox thru one at 1080i, actually looks so good it almost justifys the cost of the Wega.

    My (probably stupid) question is will the PS3 support componant or just one of them nasty HDMI jobbies?!?

    (I`m sure I`m illadvised asking such a mundane question here)

  • kangarootoo #24 6 years ago

    Surely anyone who can afford a TV with an HDMI socket on it can stretch to a cable.

    It does suck that its not included (especially if there is no component cable either), but its hardly the end of days is it? See it as configurable, so you buy whatever cable you need at the same time.

  • Darren #25 6 years ago

    While I never expected the PS3 to ship with an HDMI cable anyway, I certainly expected it to have a composite SCART/component video combo lead like the Xbox 360. It seems a stupid decision to sell the 60GB HDD "premium" PS3 without any hi-def cables at all so that would mean forking out an extra £20 for a component lead. Surely that's a bit greedy when the machine is said to retail for around £400?

    If Sony acknowledge that most users don't have HDTVs (by not planning on including an HD cable) then why the big push to market hi-def 1080p gaming to the masses?

  • bauhaus #26 6 years ago

    I think its called "Future Proofing"

    What the hell does come in the box then??

    How many happy kids on Xmas morning find no way to hook the bugger up?

  • kangarootoo #27 6 years ago

    @smelly

    "guarantee it'll be a ps3 specific special adapter"

    Well I guess, but thats always the case with consoles isn't it? Or does the PS3 have a generic HDMI port on the back?

  • Dizzy #28 6 years ago

    "As Steroyd says, there's no way Sony would put in a cable that the minority of buyers would use"

    So why are they including Bluray again?

  • AcidSnake #29 6 years ago

    Bad move...
    Like someone said earlier, they should have included both...
    I mean with THAT pricetag attached to it, you'd expect it to output HD straight out of the box...

    But seriously, can anyone remind me of a good move Sony has made since E3?

  • lennon #30 6 years ago

    What if when using the HDMI connector movies will only play back with a green screen?

  • rhinoxious #31 6 years ago

    So the PS3 was £145 more than the 360 Premium.

    If you need to buy a component lead that becomes £165 (probably)

    So you could get a 360 and 3 games for the price of a PS3.

    that's a big difference, especially for two consoles with lots of titles in common.

  • Darren #32 6 years ago

    LOL

    Well I don't intend buying my PS3 for Blu-ray movies anyway, it's too new to be spending a fortune on such an unknown format as it could be the next Betamax. Once the winner of the HD movie format wars is clear then I'll buy a dedicated player, just as I did when I realised that the PS2's DVD playback was complete cack (and in green via RGB SCART)!
    Edited by 1 at 05/09/06 @ 13:54

  • Beano #33 6 years ago

    "PS3 to ship without HDMI lead"

    So fu**ing what?

    I wish EG would not jump on the anti-Sony/PS3 bandwagon which is getting quite old.
    Scepticism is fine by me, but not mindless scepticism.

  • CrumpledPaper #34 6 years ago

    It was hardly expected to be included, was it? HDMI cables are pretty expensive, or at least they vary in price depending on length/quality etc. I wouldn't have expected them to include it given the numbers that will actually use it..and to be honest I'd prefer to pick my own cable.

  • InfiniteFury #35 6 years ago

    In fairness it's a good deal less old than the anti-Microsoft/Xbox bandwagon and in comparison we haven't even begun to milk this one dry.

  • Machiavel #36 6 years ago

    Let's hope advertising standards insist the PS3 displays have to use the provided leads - composite output in all fine electrical retailers...

    /still shudders at age-old realisation of Console + Decent video lead + memory card (removed, finally)

  • Freek #37 6 years ago

    It's not a big deal from a practical point of view at all, how many people really have a 1080p TV? It just looks bad for Sony PR.

    "PS3 is 1080p, the real HD blablabla, 600 bucks is worth it for the full blu ray experience blablab HDMI

    Oh yeah, that'll be 40 bucks extra for a cable."

  • bionutz #38 6 years ago

    mmm. okay.

  • OldB0y #39 6 years ago

    For those who can't read:

    Instead, PS3 is HIGHLY LIKELY to be sold with a composite cable and SCART adaptor - just like the PS2.

    It doesn't say this is definitely the case, it's basically speculation.

    Also:

    Well I guess, but thats always the case with consoles isn't it? Or does the PS3 have a generic HDMI port on the back?

    The more expensive version has HDMI as well as the usual multiAV out, the cheaper one just has the standard multiAV out

    and

    My (probably stupid) question is will the PS3 support componant or just one of them nasty HDMI jobbies?!?

    Yep stupid HDMI is actually better than compnent for a start - it can do 1080p (technically component can to, but BluRay will only allow 1080p via hdmi). As above the expensive PS3 will do component via the multiAV, and hdmi er via the hdmi port, the cheaper one only has the multiAV, so no hdmi

  • gamingdave #40 6 years ago

    Not suprised at all that it doesnt have an HDMI lead in the box, but it does have an HDMI socket, which is a good thing. Im fed up having several cables for different displays for lots of consoles. My Panasonic projector has got RGB Scart, VGA, S-video, component and composite sockets on it. I know that wiring sockets people might not use into the console would add an additional cost to each unit and they would loose out on cable sales, but I think its about time consoles started having standard video outs on them.

  • mingster #41 6 years ago

    I thought you had to use HDMI for Blueray playback
    due to the copy prevention / encryption

  • Stickman #42 6 years ago

    "due to the fact that the majority of buyers won't yet own a HDMI-ready TV - and those that do will already have a HDMI lead anyway."

    So, what's the problem then? Oh, wait...it's an Ellie news item.

  • Feanor #43 6 years ago

    "While I never expected the PS3 to ship with an HDMI cable anyway, I certainly expected it to have a composite SCART/component video combo lead like the Xbox 360."

    I think this is likely to happen, and a composite/component cable in the US.

  • El_MUERkO #44 6 years ago

    OMG BURn $onEVILy

  • Morb0 #45 6 years ago

    No big deal.

  • space_ace #46 6 years ago

    nearly 50 comments, that's more like it

  • ecureuil #47 6 years ago

    Fuck Sony, idiots. This is a major fuck up and it proves conclusively that the PS3 will fail and Sony are going to go bust!

  • ProtoformX #48 6 years ago

    I think Microsoft had a good idea with the premium 360 package including a combined component/composite video lead. The fact is that HDTV is still in the vast minority over here so most people won't mind using a standard composite l;ead, if that's what's included in the end. Then the people who have HDTV or various other setups I'm sure can afford to fork out £5 for an HDMI lead - or £20 for an "official" Sony one. (That's not Sony-hating. Microsoft do it too)

  • Pac #49 6 years ago

    @mingster

    HDMI is necessary for hi-def copy protection (HDCP) which has been agreed upon for Blu-ray and HD-DVD. However, it is not a very effective copy protection system due to the fact that about 50% of HD TVs in the US do not have a HDMI connector.

    The most likely solution is that players will allow full res hi-def through HDMI but that the analogue output from your hi-def player will be downrezed to prevent (naughty) people from making perfect hi-def copies of films using compatible hi-def recorders.

    However there are many people opposed to downrezing including some of the studios themselves.

  • Carrybagma #50 6 years ago

    More base evilitude from the servant-demons of the PlaySatan.

    Only the clean, bright light from the console of God (the 360, u heathens) can brighten the days leading up to Christmas now.

    Oops - I meant the Wii. :o)

  • myiagros #51 6 years ago

    50 comments, but only 2 opinions ?!?!?

    opinion 1

    OMG what are sony doing they firstly are ripping everyone off at £425 then asking you to spend another £20-£100 on a cable for functionality which they have been pushing as the most important aspect of the console.

    opinion 2

    Big WOW, what a non suprise. It would have been stupid of sony to include an HDMI cable with all 60GB machines as a very small percentage of people actually have the equipment to utilise it. They will make the wise choice to include a cable everyone can use. Those wishing to go better can pay a little extra, afterall they can afford it if the could afford the HDTV in the first place.

    \edit: i can't spell
    Edited by 1 at 05/09/06 @ 14:51

  • glaeken #52 6 years ago

    So it says a composite lead is what it ships with but I thought they did not do HD?

    A component lead if you don't have an HDMI port on your TV is not that cheap. I was looking at a component leads to connect my progressive scan DVD player up and they were around £60. This was from Comet though so maybe that was a rip off price.

  • ant-bankz #53 6 years ago

    ha ha ha, after all of that talk about HDMI and the importance of it being there its not even going to be standard (included in the box). so after speniding XX on the PS3 and £60 on A game you willl have to spend XX on the lead to play the game sony wanted you to play it LOL

  • Pac #54 6 years ago

    What I find totally bewildering, is that in order for the PS3 to play Blu-ray movies using the preferred copy protection, HDCP, it must have a HDMI connector.

    Yet the basic PS3 doesn't have one - what were they thinking!!

  • jimmyboo #55 6 years ago

    As far as I know, HDMI is not required to play games in 1080p. Also, the major studios have informally agreed to not implement the ICT (which is what causes the resolution to be "downsized" when not using HDMI) for another couple years. So, basically, if you have a good enough component cable, you should be able to watch BR movies in 1080p via component... good luck finding a TV that will accept 1080p over component, though. As far as I know, they don´t exist and possibly never will.

    The real story, here, is of the mess that Sony PR has become. You don´t badger your competition for not being "true HD" and then proceed to release consoles that are not capable of "true HD", as you define it, out of the box. The hypocracy is even more evident when one is not capable of it at all.

    Given that the folks behind the PS brand have a documented history of over-selling and under-delivering, I have a feeling things will turn out to be a little worse than the rumour machine that is the Internet predicts. Given the apparently cold reception the PS3 is receiving from the media, developers, and a growing number of consumers, I would not be suprised to see the PS3 fail in its first couple years. Spectacularly.

  • JediMasterMalik #56 6 years ago

    You guys are so retarded, of course it'll ship with component cables:

    1 - Compoent cables can do 1080p for anything, including movies, unless they use HDCP, which most movies won't for a long time.

    2 - Were you really expecting them to loose more money on including a cable which so few people would use?

    This is really proof of how this "sony hate" season is getting out of hand.
    Edited by 1 at 05/09/06 @ 15:00

  • Guff-Pipe #57 6 years ago

    HDMI cables start at 2.99 on E bay whats the big deal?

  • smelly #58 6 years ago

    @myiagros

    There's a 3rd opinion too..

    OPINION 3

    FFS! They keep bigging up 1080p and going on about it being the next big thing and how it's totally required for the bestest experience, etc etc.. Then they dont even provide the best cable..

  • JetSetWilly #59 6 years ago

    HDMI cables start at 2.99 on E bay whats the big deal?

    Because good cables cost far more that 2.99. Quality cabling is all too often overlooked when it can make the difference between a good experience and a meh one.

  • consignia #60 6 years ago

    HDMI is digital, so cable quality is meaningless on HDMI. A cheap one, or an expensive one will give same picutre.

  • RedPanda #61 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • Pac #62 6 years ago

    @jimmyboo

    I entirely agree with your comment but should the studios decide to activate ICT on the players (which they can do at any time) consumers that bought a basic PS3 (or have a HDTV without a HDMI connector) will be unable to watch hi-def movies (even ones they have already purchased).

    I just think that it is a bit daft that the next-gen DVD format (I am talking about video not games here by the way - sorry) uses a technology which cannot be implemented properly because consumers don't have the hardware yet or that leaves a massive hole in the copy protection that can be exploited by pirates.

  • belziah #63 6 years ago

    smelly, you muppet! Its got a HDMI socket, so where does the special sony only adapter go.

    thank god you're around, its helps those with the extra brain cell feel good about themselves.

  • Pac #64 6 years ago

    Oh by the way re HDMi quality, from Barry Fox renowed technology guru:

    "HDMI has been called the Digital SCART. A single HDMI (High Definition Multimedia Interface) cable carries sound and vision signals into the screen from the player or receiver. HDMI is tied to HDCP (High Bandwidth Digital Content Protection) which stops someone copying the HDTV signal on the way to the screen.

    So far so good. But HDMI cables are horribly expensive, it can cost £200 to span a room. Also HDMI is an evolving standard. Cable company Ixos, whose HDMI cables start at £80 a metre, has built a publicity campaign on the warning that some cheaper HDMI cables won’t carry the highest quality signals; or they only carry them for a metre or so".

  • RedPanda #65 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • Pac #66 6 years ago

    @RedPanda

    I think it could have been handled better.

    If I was in Sony's position I would not have included an untested video format in my latest games machine (thus making the inclusion of HDMI not such a crucial factor) however they must have been under immense pressure from their home ent division to include it.

  • old_skool #67 6 years ago

    People get a hold of yourselves , it's just a fooking cable

  • bivith #68 6 years ago

    " the majority of buyers won't yet own a HDMI-ready TV - and those that do will already have a HDMI lead anyway. "


    I have an HDMI ready TV. I don't have an HDMI lead. Because all my hi-def equipment connects via component. What a strange assumption.

  • Fairlane #69 6 years ago

    bollocks to Sony. ome launch, there will be no controller either, and many of You guys will defend it

  • pollster #70 6 years ago

    Well, I plugged sky HD into my HD telly 1st by via component and then via HDMI.
    The result was an amazing non difference! I nor non of my family or friends could tell the difference between the two @720p or 1080i. Basically if you aint got a 1080p telly (probably on 2% of HD owners have them at present) then its's not worth extra cost moving from component to HDMI.

  • thinktank #71 6 years ago

    The fact that Sony doesn't believe their own "hype" about 1080p and HDMI being standard is worrying, why else would they go with a cable that doesn't support these features. They obviously know that the percentage of people who will own the hardware to take advantage of these "key" features is minimal. This fact has been stated be others in this forum, but why then hype features that you don’t believe will be supported Sony? History repeating itself, I think so.

    Its classic Sony, we'll talk about the impressive stuff to take the thunder away from the competitor but we'll only deliver what is necessary. Lets face it people will buy a PS3 based on what it might support or do rather than what it will, just like the PS2.

    They did it with the emotion engine pushing as this great leap in processing tech, but DC games did and still do look better. They ticked the specification box so they could hype its performance figures without thinking about how easy it would be to program for. But they know people will buy it based on what it might do.

    They did it with PS2 "broadband revolution", what a mess. Can you remember all their hype about how the PS2 would become the digital hub of living room. I'm still waiting. All those press releases showing how you “could” possibly download movies and music and chat with friends etc……

    Those pre rendered games at E3 05, all rubbish to steal 360’s thunder, does any1 really believe they'll look that good. Another case of what “could” be. But who cares that’s enough for most people right?

    The cell processor that is x times more powerful than the computers in the space shuttle or whatever dribble they have came out with. What do all the devs say, "There will be no significant difference between PS3 and 360". “Cell processor”, “Emotion engine”, their almost brands by themselves, perfect hype for the mass market to swallow.

    Now this, they are mooting PS3 as this future proof device with all these future proof "features" just like the PS2, but its all just another case of "my console is better that his cause it will do this this and this". Lets see how many specification box's we can tick despite whether or not they are relevant to the consumer, then we can hype them up and it doesn't matter if they don’t work or won’t be supported as they've already bought the machine based on all of our false promises.

    Promises and hype just don’t cut it any more Sony, the gamers that rushed after the PS2 (me included) are all older and wiser.

    So don’t tell me your console is the only 1080p option and the only console to support HDMI, then not even include the damn cable in your £425 box. If that’s the case why am I paying for functionality I can’t even use? How many games will be made in 1080p if the console manufacture itself doesn’t even believe there is a sufficient market to include the relevant cable?

    Don’t tell me if can’t afford a PS3 and a HDTV then I can afford a wire, of course I can but why the fuck should I!!!? I’ve just paid £425 for a future proof console!


  • rhinoxious #72 6 years ago

    Sorry but you shouldn't believe everything 'technology gurus' says.

    Any basic HDMI cable will carry the neccesary digital signal from one device to another one a couple of meters away, I've tried many and seen no difference between them.

    Now if you need to run one around a room, for home cinema, or because you want your PS3 a long way fromt he screen then I couldn't say.

    That lack of an HDMI cable isn't an issue for me, but I'll be dissapointed if there's no component cable included. Then again I was always dissapointed that they never bundled RGB scar leads with the last-gen, so no change there.

  • RedPanda #73 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • jimmyboo #74 6 years ago

    @consignia

    Digital does not equate to lossless. If the cable is shite, the signal will be shite, digital or otherwise. If you send several "bunches"/squad of soldiers, each carrying the same complex "message", in 5-minute, across a narrow bridge with several pot holes, a large number will not make it to the other side. Each squad (read screen) will be missing part of the original message.
    Edited by 2 at 05/09/06 @ 15:49

  • Beano #75 6 years ago

    "Fuck Sony, idiots. This is a major fuck up and it proves conclusively that the PS3 will fail and Sony are going to go bust! "

    No, it proves conclusively that there are to many Sony-haters out there with WAY to much spare time :)

  • lefizz #76 6 years ago

    Quote 'HDMI is digital, so cable quality is meaningless on HDMI. A cheap one, or an expensive one will give same picutre.'

    I love this sort of thing, i mean cos it digital you loose no data, please people when oh when will you learn this is utter bollox. CD players have been out what 20 something years and people still believe digital always= good. As in digital radio = better than FM even when it is an utterly shit 64kps mono mp2 compressed to shit load of garbage. Whislt in the digital rea it is easier to control the signal and minimise data loss and corupption when thing are done well it is equally easy to produce audio and picturees which are simple woeful.

    And if it make any difference i work in broadcast and i have many many times had issue with cables int eh digital sphere. SDI a link used to hook up digibetas and all other sort of broadcast equipemnt is very susspectible to cheap and plain bad cables.

    Please, please, for fuck sake please a digital connection does not make everything suddenly magic.

  • rudedudejude #77 6 years ago

    The SpideyStation sucks big time.

    Well, if they add the emotion engine maybe my SpideyStation will feel sad for me and use it's Spidey powers to swing to the shop and web me one, then swing back.

    It should feel happy then with it's new emotions and we can play together on the same pad that's been in use since 1922.

  • RedPanda #78 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • Rambaldi #79 6 years ago

    THE TRUE NEXT GEN ONLY ARRIVES WHEN WE ARE ON THE MARKET....what's that....ahem....AND YOU GO OUT AND BUY A CABLE TO CONNECT IT TOO!

  • Rambaldi #80 6 years ago

    @Beano

    "No, it proves conclusively that there are to many Sony-haters out there with WAY to much spare time :)"

    ...but Sony lovers ARE allowed to have WAY too much spare time?

  • Pac #81 6 years ago

    @jimmyboo,lefizz

    Thanks guys, you have saved me from having to answer rhinoxious' post.

    Just for the record, I have actually met Barry Fox on a number of occasions and found him to be a reliable source of information on all things technical.

    Have a look at New Scientist etc. if you want further proof, he is a regular contributor.

  • Rambaldi #82 6 years ago

    @old skool

    "People get a hold of yourselves , it's just a fooking cable"

    No it's not. It's what it's absence says about Sony's true attitude towards it's own products and consumers that's so absurd.

  • DrDamn #83 6 years ago

    @lefizz
    "Please, please, for fuck sake please a digital connection does not make everything suddenly magic."

    True but we are talking about a digital image created in a console being transfered to a nice big screen with specific resolution support. It makes more sense to send this signal digitally surely? We are not talking about compressing it for broadcast, we are talking about getting from the source (console) to the TV a couple of metres away at most.

  • doctor__no #84 6 years ago

    So what?

    I just bought an LCD HDTV and it doesn't come with a HDMI cable. Most HDMI devices don't have them included, especially if there are other connection options like component available.

    HDMI is only an issue for people that have a 1080p TV, and people that can afford to buy a 1080p TV wouldn't complain about buying a set of cables.

  • Yossarian #85 6 years ago

    SO DOES IT INCLUDE A COMPONENT CABLE OR NOT THAT IS THE RELEVANT QUESTION

  • Pac #86 6 years ago

    @doctor__no

    Not including a HDMI cable is not such a big problem for games but it is a problem for Blu-ray which needs HDMI for copy protection (see ealier posts).

  • consignia #87 6 years ago

    Well, I'm not saying digital is loss less, but over the average length from console to receiver, you aren't going to lose enough data to make a difference, that isn't recoverable from error checks. I don't believe there would a difference in data between loss between a relativily cheap 2m HDMI cable and a relativily expensive 2m HDMI cable.

    I mean, how often do you lose data over USB?

  • DrDamn #88 6 years ago

    @Pac
    "Not including a HDMI cable is not such a big problem for games but it is a problem for Blu-ray which needs HDMI for copy protection (see ealier posts)."

    Wow, where have you been. Haven't we already done this discussion to death on the ninja and tard versions of the PS3. The tard version (without a HDMI socket) will still be able to play blu-ray movies - this is already established months ago. So why do you claim the above?

  • DrDamn #89 6 years ago

    In fact check the original link from the article. On several of the questions there is the info ...

    "Copy-protected Blu-ray video discs can only output at 1080p using an HDMI cable connected to a device that is compatible with the HDCP standard".

    So if you don't need 1080p video then you don't need HDMI.

  • TripleSeven #90 6 years ago

    HDMI isn't necessary for HD graphics. It's necessary for the best picture, though.

  • Pac #91 6 years ago

    @DrDamn

    I wish you would read my earlier posts before questioning my last post.

    I am fully aware that the basic, or 'tard' version as you put it, can play Blu-ray discs.

    However high-def copy protection requires a HDMI connector = fact.

    If the studios decide to activate the image constraint token that is a mandatory requirement for all hi-def players then consumers with a basic PS3 will only be able to display a down-rezed picture.

    This is a big concern for the video industry (in which I have worked in for the last 7 years).

  • DrDamn #92 6 years ago

    What is the extent of the down-rezzing?

  • old_skool #93 6 years ago

    @Rambaldi
    Do you have a TV with an HDMI connector ?

    Get over it

    In fact all those people crying out loud about a cable , do you have a TV with an HDMI connector ? When I bought my Panasonic DVD player aeons ago it came bundled with some really cheap composite cables , I didn't cry like a bunch of sissies over the internet that Panasonic screwed me because it didn't have an S-Video cable .You know what ? I coudn't tell the freakin difference between them .And you know what ? You can't tell the difference if you had an HDMI connector .
    Edited by 1 at 05/09/06 @ 16:48

  • pollster #94 6 years ago

    As long as sony include a componet cable in the package. All should be well.

  • DrDamn #95 6 years ago

    Ok Pac going back to some of your earlier posts ...
    > What I find totally bewildering, is that in order for the PS3
    > to play Blu-ray movies using the preferred copy protection,
    > HDCP, it must have a HDMI connector.
    >
    > Yet the basic PS3 doesn't have one - what were they thinking!!

    The HD-DVD add on for the X360 won't have a HDMI output either. You'd don't think that it is possible Sony and MS know something you don't surely?

  • Pac #96 6 years ago

    @DrDamn

    In January 2006, the AACS consortium
    bowed to pressure from some of the studios
    and agreed to require hardware makers to
    include circuitry capable of preventing high
    definition pictures from being sent from
    players to displays over analogue connections.
    The decision by the Advanced Access
    Content System Licensing Administrator
    (AACS LA) could mean that consumers with
    HDTV sets lacking digital inputs that support
    the High bandwidth Digital Copy Protection
    system (HDMI or certain kinds of DVI) will
    only be able to receive a 'down-converted'
    signal. This means that instead of the full
    1920x1080 lines of resolution the players are
    capable of outputting, analogue-only sets
    would receive 960x540 lines—a resolution
    closer to standard DVDs than to highdefinition
    (standard DVDs are typically
    encoded at 720 horizontal by 480 vertical
    lines of resolution). The effect will be to deny
    those HDTV owners with analogue-only sets
    the full capabilities of the new disc formats.

  • kangarootoo #97 6 years ago

    If there is anyone else out there who would like to post their carbon copy opinion, regardless of the fact they are just repeating something that has already been posted about 60 times, here is a handy template.


    OMG Sony have SUXOR. They leave out the bets cable and haff lost all credabiliti. There is no way I will buy this shitboxor. LOL. Riidge Raaaacer. LOL. They will go bust. LOL


    Just copy and paste to save yourself vital seconds, which you can spend shouting at birds in the park and sifting through bins for catfood.

  • sopaman #98 6 years ago

    Really, I don't think it's something to make such a fuss about. It's like the optical cable not being included with the Xbox... Well, almost (the Xbox didn't cost 600 euros after all).

  • lefizz #99 6 years ago

    Justr for the record i have frequently had data loss and corruption over 1.5m coaxial SDI leads doing transfer at 1080i and 720p. I agree with decent cables over a 2 metre length that signalling shouldn't be an issue, that doesnt mean it always work thought.

  • kangarootoo #100 6 years ago

    A quick scan on kelkoo pointed me at an HDMI cable for £12 inc VAT. And I didn't even hit NEXT PAGE.

    I spent that much last time I ordered Dominos (and I know you all eat pizza).

    So, panic over, we can cancel the fire brigade. You can all thank me later.

    EDIT:
    Oooh, + 1 to Pac and lefizz. Just as I lose my rag with screaming fools and start having a rant, you guys post informative comments. More fool me I guess.
    Edited by 1 at 05/09/06 @ 16:58

  • manic_mouse #101 6 years ago

    My component is all ready occupied by my 360 so it seems I'll need to buy a HDMI cable when I get my PS3. Oh well, it's not a huge deal for the consumer. As others have said though, it's yet another nail in the coffin of all that bollocks Sony went on about 1080p and the PS3 at E3 2005.

    I mean honestly, 75% of what Sony showed/claimed about the PS3 in 2005 has been shown to be nothing but a load of baloney! How do they get away with it?

  • lefizz #102 6 years ago

    [link url=http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/what s-the-matter-with-hdmi.htm
    ]http://ww w.bluejeanscable.com/articles/w...[/link]

    Insteresting article about HDMI, the most interesting is the fact that since it is a realtime streaming interface there is NO ERROR CORRECTION. So unlike the firewire and USB cable people keep going on about if data is lost that packet of data isnt resent it just appears as garbage on screen.

    Very poorly designed for a new 'standard'

  • bauhaus #103 6 years ago

    I¬ve seen Componant splitters (x3) on ebay for £14*

    Its interesting that so many people are so feckin angry about this cable malarky.
    C'mon, gaming is not a cheap hobby is it really? I know the box costs a fortune but for christs sake, if you can`t rush to the price of a cable (assuming you`ve just lashed out on a PS3 and a HD TV) then really you should be looking at cheaper hobbies eh?!?



    *Watch the price triple when the bloke selling them realises owners of 360 and PS3 start buying them

  • Pac #104 6 years ago

    @Kangarootoo

    No worries, I had to write about this stuff for a living a little while back, so the HDMI/ITC fiasco is still fresh in my tiny mind.

    Probably still buy the PS3 if enough good games come out at launch. Even though I slightly the resent the fact that I am laying out part of my cash for a video player I don't really need.

    Suprisingly I don't have a hi-def telly yet as the missus thinks the old one >is just fine

  • kangarootoo #105 6 years ago

    @lefizz

    I'm certainly no expert, but I'm not sure what the impact would be on a display if a few packets went a bit wrong. HDMI is purely for audio/video transfer right (I don't know that much about it, so I don't know if there are plans to use it for other things)? I should probably go read that article you linked :)

    Anyway, before I do...

    I can understand that with many types of data transfer a single packet going missing screws the whole file (or whatever is being sent). But if you lost one tiny part of one frame of a constantly updating display, would you notice?

    Thats a real question BTW rather than some grumpy challenge :)

  • kangarootoo #106 6 years ago

    @Pac

    Hey, I totally agree that it sucks not having HD cables in the box, I am just championing the cause of "reasonable level of response" today (though that is a probably a hollow pursuit on the internet, where uppercase over-reaction rules the roost).

    Sounds like you might be able to answer the query I put to lefizz about the impact of packet loss over HDMI...

  • PSegAgesPete #107 6 years ago

    ***Yeah well anyways, bludders N sistas, end of the day its your choice regardless - this is what SONY or indeed PWNY has intended to do. You can either:

    A. Wait for a price drop (not long a wait as the price is surely gonna kill them in the long run anways)
    B. Just chill out, relax and finish some games you aint have time for (yeah there's loads of you out there c'mon admit it!)
    C. Wait and see what the fuss is really about after 6 months to a years time whilst enjoying 360 and Wii titles
    D. Have a laugh at Sony and see them fall to their demise...
    E. Choose all the above and be smug about yourself ;)

    Btw, about all this HDMI business, just stick to component, be happy and realise that until 3D holgraphic displays are available, we are still looking at 2D screens...***

  • lefizz #108 6 years ago

    The real issue with digital signals is that they generally break up with far smaller amounts of data loss compared to analogue ones. Digital breakup usually looks far worse as anyone with a freeview box and a dodgey arial will tell you. This is however different in that the cable send digitally encoded per pixel data as opposed to a mpeg stream in the case of freeview.

    With a decent cable in all probability over small runs ( ie around 2-3 metres) HDMI is a prefectly usable standard it is however prone to data loss and other forms of interference. I just wish people would understand this, digital doesnt not mean perfect.

  • bauhaus #109 6 years ago

    I`ve got freeview and a dodgy ariel

    When its windy I¬m fuming

  • thinktank #110 6 years ago

    I love how many posts these threads gets,

    I wonder how many of you guys actualy have a tv with a HDMI connection?

    /waits for the 58" Plasma tv ownerships claims to roll in ?)

  • kangarootoo #111 6 years ago

    @bauhaus

    LOL, nice one man. That was a genuine lol.

    @lefizz

    Cheers for the info.

  • BartonFink #112 6 years ago

    In all honesty meh!!!

    Does kinda make a mockery of all their HD spouting of late though.

    Really though as long as it has component does it really matter all that much.
    If you have a HDMI connection just get a HDMI cable. Simple.

    If it doesn't come with a component cable then start bitchin that would really make a mockery of their HD slant now wouldn't it.

    Again no biggie but it would be a reasonable gripe.

  • kangarootoo #113 6 years ago

    @thinktank

    My telly has HDMI, but the main thing that means to me is its the only free socket :) Component seems perfectly good for HD gaming (though I've not actually seen HDMI running, so I prepare to eat my words) and I'm not a particularly huge movies-at-home fan (I watch a fair few films, but I'd be happy watching in B&W through a tea towel if it was a good film).

  • lefizz #114 6 years ago

    [link url=http://www.hometoys.com/htinews/dec05/articles/acc ell/hdmi.htm
    ]http://ww w.hometoys.com/htinews/dec05/ar...[/link]

    Quite an interesting read here if anyone is interested. One of the points being that many current hdmi cable may not be of sufficent quailty to send a 1080p signal. The data rate being a lot higher than 720p and 1080i signals. It seems increasing likely using a cheap HMDI cable with a PS3 outputing at 1080p will cause problems.

    Sending a 5 gigabit per second data steaming over even a 3metre cable without error correction is no mean feet. And one i certainly wouldnt trust to a £15 cable.

    Edited by 1 at 05/09/06 @ 17:50

  • spongebob #115 6 years ago

    Oh stop it already you nerdz :)

  • lefizz #116 6 years ago

    Cant argue with that.

    Sits in corner playing Animal Crossing:(

  • Hughes. #117 6 years ago

    I went out to work with this page open and it had 18 comments, I come back, hit refresh and it has 120. I don't even need to look to know that half of those are from numptys going "HAHAHAHHAA!! SOONY IS TEH DOOMMED!"

    Sony consoles always ship with the crappest cable available. This news, surprise factor = zero.

  • captainrentboy #118 6 years ago

    Why the uproar?Jesus.As long as they're not so utterly fucking cheeky as to not include a component/composite scart connection in the box (ala xbox 360 premium)then all is good.It would have been really silly to only include an hdmi cable with the console,as the vast majority of consumers would have no use for it.
    If they do only provide a composite lead though,then they all need to burn in hell,the robbing bastards.

  • SomaticSense #119 6 years ago

    Fucks sake. It's not as if it's not expensive enough as it is. I mean it's going to be advertised as a HD gaming console but it doesn't include the leads for such HD gaming? I would have thought that the amount it's going to cost consumers the least they could've done is include the sodding leads to enjoy it to it's full. Fucking stupid.

  • thinktank #120 6 years ago

    @captainrentboy

    The uproar comes from how much sony mouth of about having the only next gen HDMI console.

    Then say you can't use it unless u buy a addition cable after spending £425 of course.

    But its probably just another reason to have 360 vs PS3 "debate".

  • Carrybagma #121 6 years ago

    Wonder what's next?

    It's true that most people won't give a shit about the cable (they wouldn't do it otherwise), but given how Sony have revised the spec a lot more frequently than you'd reasonably expect, what else could possibly go before November?

    Are they done now?

  • dredd97 #122 6 years ago

    It's only a fucking console, get over it....


    btw I see that M$ want $99 for their HDMI cable.....

    don't see you lot decrying them for it...

    didn't realise that sony = terrorist
    m$ = fluffy bunny with all our interests at heart...

  • Barghest #123 6 years ago

    What a fucking non-story. Eurogamer is really starting to suck.

  • Les #124 6 years ago

    Gaming journalism at its lowest. And it's not just EG, all US sides are reporting this none-news too.

    Never ever has the high quality video cable been packed with the console. This really is sad.

  • Les #125 6 years ago

    "Also, why does it take forever and a day for the videos to load? I havent seen one single one of them yet as I got bored of waiting, AND Im on broadband. "

    The main reason for websites to be slow is because too many people are trying to visit it at the same time. We're talking PS3 after all. Has nothing to do with the capacity of your own connection. Idiot...

  • mattigan #126 6 years ago

    It is crystal clear from reading these posts, who the lovers and haters are, funny thing is that I think the lovers doth protest too much. I personally don't like Sony's business practices, and have never owned a Sony console. But FFS a cable would have cost them pennies to ship with the box, this is clearly a cost saving excersise, and if Sony are this concerned about this small cost versus the cost to their reputation then I would be worried if I was in the "lover's" camp.

  • Les #127 6 years ago

    If you think the cost of a good quality HDMI cable are small, then you really have no clue what you're talking about. Btw, I don't love Sony. Nobody should love Sony. They are a company. They are after my money. If they offer something I want, I'll give it to them. Not because I like them.

  • Rambaldi #128 6 years ago

    @oldskool

    "Do you have a TV with an HDMI connector ? "

    Yes

    "When I bought my Panasonic DVD player aeons ago it came bundled with some really cheap composite cables , I didn't cry like a bunch of sissies over the internet that Panasonic screwed me because it didn't have an S-Video cable"

    But you may have done had Panasonic made such a fuss and hoo-haa about how s-video was the 'true definition' of DVD playback and then not even bothered to include a cable with it.

    Once again, it's not the facts that get people riled, it's putting them in context with Sony's arrogance and inflated claims.

  • dredd97 #129 6 years ago

    so butch and manly to type with the caps lock on.....

  • BartonFink #130 6 years ago

    Jaysus get over it it's a fookin lead (or lack thereof)

    There are plenty other reasons to bitch and moan about PS3 this is just another minor one.

  • CrunchinJelly #131 6 years ago

    It's all well and good Sony not giving a HDMI cable with the console-- but how about they gives us some games that actually look half-decent.
    Edited by 1 at 05/09/06 @ 19:54

  • Les #132 6 years ago

    "NO HDMI CABLE = NO SALE"

    Frustrated that you can't afford the most powerful console of the upcoming generation... ;-)

  • Rambaldi #133 6 years ago

    Frustrated that you can't get over the 'my dick's bigger than your's' mentality?

  • Les #134 6 years ago

    I'll be frustrated if I can't get a copy of Singstar to go with my PS3 on Nov. 17th

  • Les #135 6 years ago

    No Singstar at launch!!!!!!!!!!!

    Then Sony really IS EVIL!

    edit: Those CAPS really make it hard to detect sarcasm... But seriously, I'm a bit upset if Singstar isn't a launch title. I've passed on all the recent releases in anticipation of Singstar PS3. It just looks so cool. I want a cool game to go with my cool console.
    Edited by 1 at 05/09/06 @ 20:37

  • effinwooly #136 6 years ago

    fucking sony idiots !! next thing they will be asking £150 deposits, and there will no PES6 and smackdown games ........................er..................woops !

  • TripleSeven #137 6 years ago

    --- considering the extent of complete nonsense the standard Sony/PS3 hater contributes nowadays it's actually worth far beyond 600€ to remove any doubts. Unbelievable. Almost.

  • kangarootoo #138 6 years ago

    Can those complaining about EG for posting this news story please put a f'king sock in it. Their job is to report news, not censor it.

    Posters making a big deal out of this are the problem, not EG for telling us about it.

  • mike_mgoblue #139 6 years ago

    GAME OVER

    The Xbox 360 is the fastest selling system ever in 40 of the 41 countries it has been released in. The Xbox 360 completely dominated the August, 2006, European Game Convention in Leipzig, Germany. Especially with the announcement that the Xbox 360 will be the ONLY place where European gamers will be able to play a next-generation Soccer game for TWELVE MONTHS that runs in high-definition video with true 5.1 digital sound!!!

    The fact that Sony is going to miss the Christmas season in Europe is INCREDIBLE!!! Sony JUST DROPPED THE BALL; they JUST LOST!!!

    By the way, Sony knew this was going to happen, because there were Japanese analysts saying this all along. YET ANOTHER SONY LIE!!!

    Mitsubishi Securities recently announced that the Playstation 3 would only sell 3 million systems by March of 2007, due to production problems. The fact that Sony is STUPID enough to try and lie again, by saying that they will still reach their goal of 6 million by March of 2007, even though the system won't be released until then in Europe, and the distribution to North America and Japan has been reduced by 50% is just plain STUPID... How STUPID does Sony think people are???

    We also learned that High-Definition cables will NOT be included in ANY version of the Playstation 3!!! The Xbox 360 Premium comes with a set of cables that can be used as both High-Definition Cables and standard-definition cables. This means that consumers will need to spend ANOTHER $40 for a set of PS3 Component Cables or another $99 for an HDMI cable. The Playstation 3 will actually cost consumers up to $700!!! MY GOD, the Playstation 3 is TERRIBLE!!!


    TWO THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT CHEAP Ebay Cables:

    1. Ebay Cables may appear cheap at first, but if you look at the Shipping Cost, you will see that something that should cost about $3 is suddenly listed with a HUGE shipping cost of over $35. In other words, they make you think you did a good job bidding or purchasing the product, but they make ALL their money on the HUGE Shipping Costs!!!

    2. Ebay Cables that are cheap like that are VERY low quality!!!

  • Hughes. #140 6 years ago

    mgoblue bot! return to manufacturer! reboot! repeating same message multiple times! blue screen of death imminent! CTRL+ALT+DEL!! CTRL+ALT+DEL!!

  • mike_mgoblue #141 6 years ago

    GAME OVER

    The Xbox 360 is the fastest selling system ever in 40 of the 41 countries it has been released in. The Xbox 360 completely dominated the August, 2006, European Game Convention in Leipzig, Germany. Especially with the announcement that the Xbox 360 will be the ONLY place where European gamers will be able to play a next-generation Soccer game for TWELVE MONTHS that runs in high-definition video with true 5.1 digital sound!!!

    The fact that Sony is going to miss the Christmas season in Europe is INCREDIBLE!!! Sony JUST DROPPED THE BALL; they JUST LOST!!!

    By the way, Sony knew this was going to happen, because there were Japanese analysts saying this all along. YET ANOTHER SONY LIE!!!

    Mitsubishi Securities recently announced that the Playstation 3 would only sell 3 million systems by March of 2007, due to production problems. The fact that Sony is STUPID enough to try and lie again, by saying that they will still reach their goal of 6 million by March of 2007, even though the system won't be released until then in Europe, and the distribution to North America and Japan has been reduced by 50% is just plain STUPID... How STUPID does Sony think people are???

    We also learned that High-Definition cables will NOT be included in ANY version of the Playstation 3!!! The Xbox 360 Premium comes with a set of cables that can be used as both High-Definition Cables and standard-definition cables. This means that consumers will need to spend ANOTHER $40 for a set of PS3 Component Cables or another $99 for an HDMI cable. The Playstation 3 will actually cost consumers up to $700!!! MY GOD, the Playstation 3 is TERRIBLE!!!

    TWO THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT CHEAP Ebay Cables:

    1. Ebay Cables may appear cheap at first, but if you look at the Shipping Cost, you will see that something that should cost about $3 is suddenly listed with a HUGE shipping cost of over $35. In other words, they make you think you did a good job bidding or purchasing the product, but they make ALL their money on the HUGE Shipping Costs!!!

    2. Ebay Cables that are cheap like that are VERY low quality!!!


    JAPANESE RELAUNCH FOR XBOX 360

    There was just an announcement that says that Microsoft has now decided to sell the Core system in Japan. Previously, only the Premium was available in Japan, and it sold for about $365. The Core system will now be sold in Japan for only $249, and it will include TWO FREE GAMES. The games that will be included are the awesome Project Gotham Racing 3, and the game that Japanese gamers looked forward to a lot--Ninety Nine Nights!

    At the Tokyo Game Show, I bet that Microsoft will also announce a similar deal for the Premium Xbox 360 system in Japan.

    Everybody knew all along that the Xbox 360 would be the number one selling system worldwide; it has been released in 41 countries, and it is the fastest selling system ever in 40 of them. Japan is the only country where the Xbox 360 wasn't selling well in. Worldwide the Xbox 360 has achieved all of its sales goals, and it is currently on track to achieve its sales goal of 10 million systems sold by the end of the year, as well as 15 million systems sold by June of 2007.

    According to Mitsubishi Securities, the Playstation 3 is now only going to sell 3 million systems by March of 2007. The fact that Sony will only be shipping 100,000 Playstation 3 systems in Japan this year means that BY DEFAULT the Xbox 360 will have sold more systems than the Playstation 3 in Japan by the end of 2006!

    The Tokyo Game Show will be VERY interesting! The Relaunch of the Xbox 360 in Japan is going to be VERY interesting! The Microsoft X06 Trade Show will also be something VERY special!!!