Gears can rival Mario - Rein

By Tom Bramwell Published 24 November, 2006

Why stop with three, he says.

Following suggestions that Gears of War is to end up a trilogy, Mark Rein has gone one further and suggested it could go on for as long as Mario or even Final Fantasy.

"Gears is a trilogy? If we can keep making quality games that fans obviously want then why would we have to stop at three," Epic's vice president mused on the company forum.

"I don't see the Metal Gear Solid, Mario, Grand Theft Auto or Final Fantasy series (among others) stopping at three and they're still delivering compelling entertainment content that's easily worth the money (see Unreal Tournament as well).

"There's definitely, as many of you have pointed out, a lot more to learn about what's really happening on the planet Sera and in the lives of the members of Delta Squad," he added.

Meanwhile, Rein says the team is "working hard to support Gears of War" with "some great enhancements" due before too long. "We're not ready to provide any details yet but I assure you we're on the job," he added.

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  • mattigan #1 5 years ago

    Getting a bit ahead of theirselves there, Gears is good but Mario is a Juggernaut

  • Rodster #2 5 years ago

    Great visuals and a solid effort. I'm looking forward to see what they have in store for us. :)

  • AcidSnake #3 5 years ago

    What about FIFA?
    That's a long running series as well...
    Why o why didn't he say that gears can rival FIFA?

    Gears Of War: Road To Sera 2007

  • Super_Zee #4 5 years ago

    Ka-CHING...

  • pinhead #5 5 years ago

    Loving this game.

    Although Mario has always been a system seller to me, do I have a need for bright primary colours? Must avoid more hardware spending.....

  • nick_f Verified Senior Producer, Microsoft #6 5 years ago

    Loved Gears. Looking forward to the next one being a little bit longer in single player, though.

  • absolutezero #7 5 years ago

    ha ha ha Mark Rein talks such utter shit.

  • KingOfSpain #8 5 years ago

    Im a bit worried that Epic own the Gears IP and might go all PS3 on our ass. MS shouls splash the cash and buy epic now to stop that happening.

    Even if Gears went mult-format, it would be a big blow to MS.

  • Steroyd #9 5 years ago

    erm... i'm sorry but if Mario can see off Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Sonic, running amock on the DS what chance does a game that fits under the same demograph as Halo gonna do.

    edit:

    oooh he's talking about lasting as long, that's going to be very difficult Final Fantasy, GTA, Metal Gear Solid, Mario, have been embedded into our brains for at least 15 - 20 years, and they're in completely different genre's as well.
    Edited by 1 at 24/11/06 @ 14:50

  • Zane #10 5 years ago

    Mark Rein is long known for giving his teams ideas more credit than they are actually worth.

    Gears is an awesome game, but I can't see it taking on as many games as Mario, purely because it cant change its style, it'll always be a third-person shooter. Marios appeared in many different genres, hes an expandable character, I don't believe Fenix is.

  • Nobuo #11 5 years ago

    "I don't see the Metal Gear Solid, Mario, Grand Theft Auto or Final Fantasy series (among others) stopping at three."

    Wow, his foresight amazes me.

  • DanMW #12 5 years ago

    This guy is extremely optimistic. Only sales will determine how many there will be. So far is looking good but some 25 years down the line, who knows.

  • skillian #13 5 years ago

    Im a bit worried that Epic own the Gears IP and might go all PS3 on our ass. MS shouls splash the cash and buy epic now to stop that happening.

    Why are you worried?

    If it's a great game, surely it's better that as many people as possible get to play it?

  • The_Foo_Fighter #14 5 years ago

    Fenix is the new Lara Croft... sort of.

  • Blerk #15 5 years ago

    Here we go, then!

    Gears of Kart!
    Gears of Soccer!
    Gears of Tennis!
    Gears of Golf!
    Super Gears Bros!

  • lambtron #16 5 years ago

    Oh god. GoW 3 on 3 hoops here we come!

  • Der_tolle_Emil #17 5 years ago

    Yeah, right.

  • Chtulie #18 5 years ago

    No.
    Gears relies on a very specific context, world and storyline that isn't all that malleable. It won't be a crutch for a while, but eventually it'll go the way of Sonic.

    Mario games always have their context and worldbuilding downplayed. There are no arcing storylines, there are hardly any storylines at all in each game outside of the RPG's. There are no story things that need axplaining, no characters that need developing and no histieres and secrets that need uncovering in mario games, in short, it's really just a surface aesthatic layer to give some visuals to the gameplay mechanics underneath which, let's face it, is the purpose of the medium.
    All Mario does is branding Nintendo games to make them easily recognisable as to their authorship and make sure gamedesigners don't have to deal with the bullshit of story and character such but instead spend their time on the actual game.

    edit:
    Like Final Fantasy, that manages to last long because the only thing really tying that franchise together is the title. Each game itself, being RPG's they rely a lot on plot, takes place in a diffirent world with a diffirent plot though.
    (Except for X-2, being the only direct sequel to X and hinting at being a prequel to VII).
    Edited by 1 at 24/11/06 @ 14:54

  • lambtron #19 5 years ago

    "(see Unreal Tournament as well)"

    I would argue UT hasn't been any cop since (the admittedly brilliant) original. After that they went a bit pap IMO.

  • KingOfSpain #20 5 years ago

    Im a bit worried that Epic own the Gears IP and might go all PS3 on our ass. MS shouls splash the cash and buy epic now to stop that happening.

    Why are you worried?

    If it's a great game, surely it's better that as many people as possible get to play it?


    Because I dont have a spare £400 knocking around, thats why. I agree it is better if more people can play it but not at the expense of me not being able to play it:)
    Edited by 1 at 24/11/06 @ 14:54

  • Muddtallica #21 5 years ago

    Aww...when I first saw this title, it had me thinking along different lines entirely.

    "GEARS OF WAR SPIN-OFFS ANNOUNCED

    Marcus Fenix Golf and Marcus Fenix Power Tennis to be shipped Q1 2007, to be followed by Marcus Kart, Dr. Fenix, and Marcus Fenix's Brother's Mansion."

    edit: DAMMIT!! Blerk beat me to the joke!!! :(
    edit2: ...and then Steroyd followed me up! Damn. Clearly I'm not the comedy genius I assumed I was. :(
    Edited by 2 at 24/11/06 @ 14:57

  • Steroyd #22 5 years ago

    Plus if he REALLY wants to expand like mario MS is gonna need a handheld soon.

    New Super Gears of War
    Gears of War 720
    Gears of War Wars
    Gears of War Portable
    Gears of War DDR
    Super Gears of War Party

    Fenix guest appearance in DOA 7
    Fenix guest appearrance in EA's SSX trickstyle extreme
    Edited by 1 at 24/11/06 @ 14:55

  • skillian #23 5 years ago

    Because I dont have a spare £400 knocking around, thats why. I agree it is better if more people can play it but not at the expense of me not being able to play it:)

    Ah, you mean if it becomes a PS3 exclusive, not a multiformat title. That makes sense - my apologies :)

  • peterfll #24 5 years ago

    Damn, someone got in with the "Party of Gears of Party" joke.

    \grasps at straws

    The Legend of Gears: Delta Squad Princess?

  • horis #25 5 years ago

    I woulndn't mind downloading some old michael jordan from the 80's. U hear that NBA? get on it! please.

  • Steroyd #26 5 years ago

    PokeGears colliseum: gotta saw then all.

  • Hunam #27 5 years ago

    He's talking again... oh dear.

    Mario, FF etc are around because they are indepedent games almost, which can handle majour changes to gameplay and what not, GoW would get boring 5 games in...

  • Penguinzoot #28 5 years ago

    Im a bit worried that Epic own the Gears IP and might go all PS3 on our ass.

    Microsoft published the game and Microsoft Game Studios logo is also splashed all over the box and the title screen. So presumably MS was deeply involved in the actual development of the product.

    Even if Microsoft didn't own the IP, I'm sure the terms of the publishing deal would prevent the game appearing on another format without Microsofts permission. Hard to see it leaving a Microsoft platform then.

  • Have_to_Speak_Up #29 5 years ago

    SO long as they improve the AI... maybe

  • SanktePer #30 5 years ago

    lol

    @Blerk

  • Steroyd #31 5 years ago

    Even if Microsoft didn't own the IP, I'm sure the terms of the publishing deal would prevent the game appearing on another format without Microsofts permission. Hard to see it leaving a Microsoft platform then.

    Sony published the GTA series (yes under SCEE) that didn't stop them breaking contract and going multiplat.

  • Eldritch #32 5 years ago

    Mark Rein is an utter t***er. If you've ever had the distinct pleasure of meeting him in person, you'll know how to take his comments.

  • jellyhead #33 5 years ago

    So what is it about Gears that could carry a franchise?
    I thought it was being reported as a lovely looking but shallow 3rd person shooter?
    What makes it "Gears of War", the characters, shallow as they are supposed to be?
    The setting?
    Hiding behind walls with a gun?

  • Blerk #34 5 years ago

    can you please use this headline when Gears of War is the Xmas #1:

    Heh! You're kidding, right?

  • Penguinzoot #35 5 years ago

    Sony published the GTA series (yes under SCEE) that didn't stop them breaking contract and going multiplat.

    Breaking contract - you absolutely sure? So you've read the SCEE GTA contract then? Props to you! Surprising SCEE didn't sue for breach of contract then - would have had a cast-iron case! :p

    As I recall, the terms of the exclusivity deal Rockstar had with Sony for GTA:SA was for exclusivity for 6 months. Which Rockstar honoured to the day. The very next day it was released on the Xbox. My memory might be wrong though .... :-)



    Edited by 1 at 24/11/06 @ 15:17

  • Normski #36 5 years ago

    Sony published the GTA series (yes under SCEE) that didn't stop them breaking contract and going multiplat.

    No they didn't - the original top-down games were published by BMG and GTA3 and onwards were published by Take 2/Rockstar

  • Eldritch #37 5 years ago

    EG should have an entire news section devoted to the likes of Mark Rein, American McGee and Peter Molyneux. Expect news like:

    "Coke Zero's a bit shite - Rein"
    "We should pull out of Afghanistan - Molyneux"
    "Where are my socks? - McGee"
    "Nintendo is for kids - all"

  • jellyhead #38 5 years ago

    I thought EuroEunuchMachine only banned games that turn out not to have kiddy abuse in them?
    Can't you drop kick orphans in Gears?

  • Steroyd #39 5 years ago

    Well Rockstar broke some contract with Sony because there was a big deal about it back in the day.

  • Penguinzoot #40 5 years ago

    Steroyd - see my edited post above.

  • AcidSnake #41 5 years ago

    The christmas number 1 won't be Gears I think...
    Think Zelda and maybe even Viva Pinata!

    By the way, for the thrashers among you, Megadeth has the demo for 'Gears Of War' as a download from their official site...
    That's the demo of the song, not the game...

  • Psychotext #42 5 years ago

    I'd play gears american football! =) How about Marcus Kart?

  • Xerx3s #43 5 years ago

    Im a bit worried that Epic own the Gears IP and might go all PS3 on our ass. MS shouls splash the cash and buy epic now to stop that happening.

    Ms = publisher. How many first party published games do you know that hopped to another platform where the publisher didn't consent to it? Bet that it's less than the fingers on your hand.

    Besides, I don't know but doesn't MS technically own (a part of) the product? Their writers worked out the story and background (Eric Nylund and co). Even if they don't own the product, they probably have a first option on sequels and spin-offs. MS isn't stupid you know?

    Even if sony somehow manages to get GoW for the ps3, epic would never shoot itself in the foot and make it ps3 exclusive.

  • ArcMonkey #44 5 years ago

    "Even if Gears went mult-format, it would be a big blow to MS."

    So what? Do you own MS shares or sth? Why would any gamer want MS or any other company dominate the game? Competition is all that drives them!

    Chtulie makes a valid point, Gears has a very specific universe and storyline, it can only go as far as Tomb Raider or Halo. Or go episodic like HL2

  • NthSimulachum #45 5 years ago

    Hmm producer says silly things...reminds of that producer of the Matrix Sequels...

  • Derblington #46 5 years ago

    They need either decent character or a decent story.

    They basically have a Schwarzenegger movie in terms of both so anything more than a trilogy and I think they'll be seriously pushing it.

  • Psychotext #47 5 years ago

    Actually I REALLY love the idea of Gears of War Extreme Beach Volleyball. The press would go nuts. lol

    They'd have to have the bikinis and wobbly pecs though! =D
    Edited by 1 at 24/11/06 @ 15:55

  • Les #48 5 years ago

    what an idiot...

  • peterfll #49 5 years ago

    @ Psychotext

    "Actually I REALLY love the idea of Gears of War Extreme Beach Volleyball. The press would go nuts. lol

    They'd have to have the bikinis and wobbly pecs though! =D "

    Yes, but lovie, their g-strings would be flat in the crotch area due to all the steroids (sorry, raidiation, from errr, Emergence Day).

  • Artemis_Matsas #50 5 years ago

    apples and oranges anyone?

  • KraftWerk #51 5 years ago

    Heh.

  • Psychotext #52 5 years ago

    "Yes, but lovie, their g-strings would be flat in the crotch area due to all the steroids (sorry, raidiation, from errr, Emergence Day)"

    I could live with that... Linford Christie was a lifetimes worth of crotch wobbling, and more.

  • sanctusmortis #53 5 years ago

    Seeing as it's done with MS Games Studio it wouldn't go multiformat - I imagine there's a deal there. I also imagine MS paid a hefty sum to secure full series exclusivity.

    Though I do agree MS could do worse than buying Epic. It's unlikely due to their high worth, but I've been told of rumours like "MS are buying Capcom", so...

  • Derblington #54 5 years ago

    Epic isn't the studio need to buy. they have plenty of macho, American BS games as it is.

  • Royal Fool #55 5 years ago

    I don't think Mark Rein could ever turn Gears of War into the massive moneymaking machine that is Mario. That franchise is a monster.

  • JayPee #56 5 years ago

    I agree that the Gears IP has potential, but to bound names like Mario and Metal Geart around seems somewhat pre-emptive.

    Let's just take it one game at a time eh? By the time there's a Gears out for the xbox 1080/ps5 then we can talk legacies!

  • Scimarad #57 5 years ago

    The really are making this game out to be far more than it is. It isn't bad but isn't that good. I think he has been reading a few too many comment threads...

  • foxy2006 #58 5 years ago

    yeah what a total total asshat comment


    gears is a pretty boring experience anyway, dunno why everyones so hyped up about it.

    lamest weapons in any shooter as well.

  • gogobaka #59 5 years ago

    I've found gears of war pretty underwhelming, even the graphics aren't particularly exciting.

  • Scimarad #60 5 years ago

    "even the graphics aren't particularly exciting."

    I'm not a Gears fanatic but even I can see the visuals ARE fantastic...

  • Xerx3s #61 5 years ago

    So what? Do you own MS shares or sth? Why would any gamer want MS or any other company dominate the game? Competition is all that drives them!

    Competition is they key factor for good games but.... A) It is usually the platform exclusive that really shows what a machine can do, B) Exclusive titles create competition and C) Do we really want everything on every machine? Wouldn't it get a bit dull then?

    As for the comparison with Mario, I've had more fun with the couple of GoW matches last night than I had in the last 10 years with Mario so imo, it's even better. But yes, Mario is a monster franchise and in terms of sales, I doubt that there aren't many games who can live up to that.
    Edited by 1 at 24/11/06 @ 23:13

  • Der_tolle_Emil #62 5 years ago

    The visuals are indeed very exciting and good. Most of the outdoor environments made me wish this game allowed for some exploring just to see more of those beautiful scenarios.

    Too bad it's as linear as a game can be and that it gets boring too after a few hours. Definetly worth the money and it deserves a place next to my other 360 games; but definetly not above. That spot is reserved for PGR3.

  • Vin #63 5 years ago

    "I've found gears of war pretty underwhelming, even the graphics aren't particularly exciting."

    Holy shitballs.

    Sony knobjockey AHOY.

  • MoGamer2006 #64 5 years ago

    How about 'Queers Of War' - the musclebound stereotypes populating this cliche-riddled shooter give into the latent homosexual urges that their ridiculously macho posturing is trying to over-compensate for...

  • captainrentboy #65 5 years ago

    Multiplayer is where it's at with Gears of War,don't get me wrong I'm thoroughly enjoying the single player campaign,i'm on chapter 5 now and there was no real lowlight in the game,actually some of the set pieces were friggin fantastic.
    But the multiplayer side of it when played with a group of mates is pretty much an unrivalled experience on live at the moment,the fact that there's such a large amount of detail thrown around on a few of the maps(The mansion one in particular)all whilst still maintaining very smooth gameplay is quite an achievement and if Epic can improve upon it exponentially with the next one like Bungie did with Halo 2 god knows how many it could sell.

  • gogobaka #66 5 years ago

    You rarely get more than 5 enemies on screen at a time. 90% of the game is running around corridors. It's all drab browns and greys. There's a lot of detail and it all runs smoothly, but there's no "wow" about the graphics. I'm fighting the corpser in chapter 3 right now, and if I've missed some really impressive graphics up to this point then someone tell me, but I don't think I have.

  • Inflatable #67 5 years ago

    Mark Rein never said they could rival Mario.. Don't put words in his mouth he never said.. He only said why stop at 3 GoW games as a franchise when you can make more aslong as their good games and they sell well, and he mentioned the Mario franchise among others as an example..

    Reading some of the comments here people are already taking this news the wrong way, well done Tom..


    P.s. gogobaka, I think nothing will 'wow' people like you.. Name me 1 game on any platform that you think looks better.. I've already finished GoW, and I was pretty impressed by the graphics.. I've played games for over 15 years on PC and gameconsoles, and nothing looked and looks better then GoW uptil now imho..

  • HarryB #68 5 years ago

    how far can you go with a 3rd person shooter, rehas rehash rehash altho 8 hours long... prob get about 5 games and thats a lot of games : P

  • Der_tolle_Emil #69 5 years ago

    @Inflatable: Gears of War has incredible graphics, no doubt. It is amazing what they can pull of using the 360 hardware. But I would say that I enjoy PGR3's graphics way more than those of Gears of War. If you would ask me to name one game that looks better, I'd choose PGR3 over Gears of War anytime.

  • foglord #70 5 years ago

    can you imagine a Pro Gears of Soccer?

    yeah, me neither.

    Mark Rein clearly suffers from some sort of mental retardation.

  • gogobaka #71 5 years ago

    Games that have made me go "wow":

    Table Tennis (because of the amazing slow motion replays, seeing the ball spin off the racket)
    Dead Rising (because I've never seen a game with that much happening on screen at once)
    Oblivion (just the trees and the grass were enough)

    on the ps2:

    Resident Evil 4 (because it's got more than 4 enemies on screen at a time, because even the low level enemies have character, and because the boss fights are insane).
    SSX 3 ( because the scenery is eye wateringly beautiful)
    Dragon Quest (because it's absolutely gorgeous from start to finish)

    Gears of War might be moving a lot of pixels around, but there's no style, no character, nothing to make you stare in wonder at the graphical splendour unfolding before your eyes.

    And I note you said "pretty impressed by the graphics". Because that's the most you can be.

  • ave #72 5 years ago

    "Gears can rival Mario - Rein"

    Where does he say that?

  • Carrybagma #73 5 years ago

    Mario games always have their context and worldbuilding downplayed. There are no arcing storylines, there are hardly any storylines at all in each game outside of the RPG's. There are no story things that need axplaining, no characters that need developing and no histieres and secrets that need uncovering in mario games, in short, it's really just a surface aesthatic layer to give some visuals to the gameplay mechanics underneath which, let's face it, is the purpose of the medium.
    All Mario does is branding Nintendo games to make them easily recognisable as to their authorship and make sure gamedesigners don't have to deal with the bullshit of story and character such but instead spend their time on the actual game.    Sensible post. Really, the same could apply to Halo, Gears etc. Ignore the 'ten-hut!' US Marine/lone warrior stereotypes and see what game lies beneath.

  • davisorle #74 5 years ago

    Ok.. I understand why Sony's fanboys are talking shit about Gears of War... I understand that fags call it Queers of War since they already fantasize about it.... I really don't understand though how ignorant and clueless can someone be about gaming, 3d graphics and anything similar to that so he can say BS like "Not an impressive game" - "Not that good graphics" - "Lame shooter game" - "Lame guns for a shooter game"... WTF? It's not a god damn shooter game... Or is it just cause you "shoot" at people? On zelda you also shoot with guns from what I know. That's a really good shooter game then isn't it? When you don't know shit about something you better not even talk about it dude. And they know who they are that I'm talking about.

  • thinktank #75 5 years ago

    No one talks about a shit game, well not more than once.

    A great games has scores people lining up to shout it down, most them because they can't play it or because they just like to swim upstream.

    If you have gears don't bother defending it, just look past this BS and play a great game.

  • davisorle #76 5 years ago

    Inflatable... Man, it's like you are trying to make a baby read a book when it can't even talk... So we are actually asking from Sony's fanboys to understand what these guys mean and that Sony is using their blind (extremely blind I should better say) trust to take their money and prove their no sence point? Trust me Sony should be using on their minds one of the methods they used for curing cancer with PS3 a few months ago.. OMFG! LOL

  • davisorle #77 5 years ago

    Thinktank I do like you say.. I play great games like Gears that I own... It just pisses me off that people can be so ignorants and make such comments about stuff when they make no sense. That's all.

  • YourMessageHere #78 5 years ago

    This is hilarious. Could someone explain why they are unable to accept the idea that others do not find GoW system-sellingly impressive? I'm happy to admit I've not played it, and I'm curious about the cover-based gameplay, but looks-wise all I see appears to be UT in rotting cathedrals with slightly upped detail levels and a bunch of uninspiring aliens for enemies. There's some nice touches (the bloodspray from a sniping video I saw sticks in my mind) but overall it's not grabbing me.

    I'm not a Sony fan, I don't own any consoles except a PSP I've not used in about 3 months; I'm just not impressed by the look of it. On a technical level it might be amazing, but the art style is still not attractive to me, so I don't like the look of it. Plus the whole machoness angle is an instant disgust-inducer, and the thought of apparently having to tolerate UT with a story mode fills me with bile.

  • mattigan #79 5 years ago

    To thos saying that Gears graphics are only mildly impressive or not that great, ask yourself.

    What is out there at the moment that compares?

    And what were you playing last year that even comes remotely close?

    For the money you pay for a 360 there is NOTHING to compare, after that it all comes down to taste, I personally think they are great and really create a believable ruined world for me to run around in, and there are those out there that don't. There are also those out there who would play Millions of pounds for the Mona Lisa, I think it's average as paintings go, but technically I'm sure it's excellent.

    Horses for Courses.

  • zozart #80 5 years ago

    I'll laugh when I see Fenix driving a racing car, that's for sure.

  • Mjollnir #81 5 years ago

    Who's leg is he pulling? What a fucking joker.

  • Steroyd #82 5 years ago

    On zelda you also shoot with guns from what I know.

    ARROWS... you shoot with... ARROWS. o_O

    At least i hope you're talking out of your buttocks.

  • Xerx3s #83 5 years ago

    It's funny that there are certain people here claiming that they played it, attacking the very things that this game beats anything else with.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #84 5 years ago

    On zelda you also shoot with guns from what I know.

    Steroyd already beat me on this but you obviously do know jack shit.

    Gears of War is a 3rd person shooter, nothing more, nothing less. There is no "stop and pop" genre (I heard Cliffy loves this term). There is no "take cover and wait until the enemy reloads" genre. The game has everything a shooter is made of. Seriously, what would you call that game? It is a shooter alright.

    Still I guess we all agree that Gears of War needs a lot more story and character depth to justify sequels. There were some interesting things but after all everything's just loose ends. So Marcus had a trial? And? The game clearly is set in its own universe but we don't know enough to keep it interesting, at least I really could not care less about it. Imho taking giant musclemen, giving them big guns and let them fight other big, giant weirdos doesn't qualify as IP. It's something we have seen a thousand times before, in tons of movies and tons of games.

  • Yeevle #85 5 years ago

    Sod endless sequels and prequels. New games now please. :D

  • captainrentboy #86 5 years ago

    In my opinion,graphically nothing touches Gears of War,you can slate the gameplay all you want,but it is the best looking game I've ever played without a shadow of a doubt,it was most evident for me in the driving section,playing that section on a high def tv brought about the second time since owning the machine that I've been reeeally impressed with what it's capable of,the first was playing Fight Night R3.
    Folk that say ''Mehh the graphics are nothing special'' or the classic ''They're average'' seem to be begging for a royal flaming,bit sad really.

  • davisorle #87 5 years ago

    YourMessageHere: I hate UT... Just try Gears of War and specially online and you'll see the actual difference. I promise you that :)

    Steroyd: No dude, I usually fart out of there... (You'll get the rest of what I wanted to tell you right now with my answer to the next dude I include)

    Der_tolle_Emil: You, that you know shit, why don't you tell me since when did you go out asking for "Shooter" games? I know FPS... Adventure.... Strategy... RPG... Simulation.... Arcade... Racing... Oh and WTF? How could you have guessed? ACTION is a genre now isn't it? In the whole freakin 17 years I've been playing video games I never knew SHOOTER being a type of game! Or you go through game websites and in the game genres you always pick the one that says SHOOTER cause apparently you don't know shit about games. You sure got a big mouth for such a brain. And I don't think you can tell me if the game is impressive. Oh probably it's like First person shooter = FPS then 3rd person shooter is 3rdPS huh? I didn't know that one dude... Been playing all kinds of games all my life and I guess I never got any of those... If I send you the file in Excel I have with all the games on PC and Consoles I haven't listed any by that genre. Weird

  • davisorle #88 5 years ago

    captainrentboy: Why flaming? because this game sold over 1Million copies in 2 weeks and those dudes keep talking shit about this game just cause they either don't have xbox 360 either they take it out this way cause they can't have a PS3 for at least 5 more months? Nuh... You are being so unfair! Or cause they have seen the game in just videos from the net either from what they just hear from others? Or that others see it on a freakin 21" SD TV with Stereo sound if not Mono? The only thing that is missing in the game even though it has a lot of potential for the sequel is the story witch has been minimal in the game but like i said..... How many of those kids in here even know what they talk about? The game rules. Get over it already. If you don't like hard core games just go play Viva Pinata or Crash and leave this one for the rest. More than 1 million people till now.. Weird huh? :) Guess that's how many have actually seen it in real life I bet. The rest minor dozens in here that like talking shit about this game is what matters more than millions of opinions, How wrong could they be? LOL

  • JayPee #89 5 years ago

    I don't think I've ever seen as much fuckwittedry as on the second page of these comments.
    It is very clear that there are a ton of people who have never played GOW, and a ton more who have played it and didn't like it or enjoy it so they feel they have to post THE EXACT SAME THING EVERY time a GoW news article comes up.

    Yeah, we know you don't think the graphics are much cop etc etc. Obviously you either have an awesome PC rig already or you are simply confusing not liking the art style with actually judging the graphical accomplishments - which by current standards for console gaming are about as good as has been seen.

    RE actually commenting about whether you think the game is worth sequels/long franchise staying power why don't you finish the game first and then judge, and hold your tongues until then.

    I have played this through co-op over Live, and without a doubt this is the most fun i have ever had on the 360, and I am now playing it through again on the hardest difficulty. The campaign may be short, but there is never a dull moment and one can almost think back through the entire game and go from memorable moment to memorable moment. Sure the plot may not track too well, but the game is chock full of "hey do remember that bit/time/thing .." moments.

    If epic can continue and improve this style of story telling, build on their already significant graphical accomplishments and expand the multiplayer aspects this is indeed a franchise/IP that could run and run.

    Hell, if gamers will buy incremental updates to average-to-poor sports games I can see them doing the same to improvements/furtherences to an already strong and original IP.

    And the Gay/Macho thing - that is just the weakest fucking argument ever. Top Gun was as gay as they come, yet I still love it and it's still a great film. Hell, even Mario & Luigi have their suspicions, and some of the FF characters...

    I really couldn't give a shit if Fenix was packing more fudge than Cadburys, the point is that the game is fun. The juxtaposition of the Muscle-bound characters and the world they inhabit acts to typify the game's style which I find at least different. So get over it.

    Without a doubt also, this game is undeniably popular on Live both co-op and MP. EGers are arranging matches and evenings of games, playing through the campaign etc. This kind of community buzz is undeniable, and has not been seen since Halo 2.

  • Yeevle #90 5 years ago

    I didn't realise Cadbury's did load of fudge.

    I only like the Dairy Milk.

  • NthSimulachum #91 5 years ago

    *licks lips*

    *bums*

  • YourMessageHere #92 5 years ago

    For my part, I'm sick of people jumping on the few brave souls who dare publicly admit that for them GoW is not Tha Best Thing Evar. I see a hell of a lot more of that and associated "this game is Tha Best Thing Evar" comments than I do criticism if it. I'm especially sick of people going on about how the game will help support the 360, as if it needed their personal endorsement as well as a year's lead on the PS3 and a catologue of very popular games to keep it going.

    I don't really have anything against GoW but I can't see why there's this attitude that it's mandatory to like it. If a game has an incredible graphics engine, that's great, but I have to like what they do with it, otherwise I'll not want to play it. If a game has a narrative, that's also great, but I have to like the sound of the narrative and the characters, otherwise I'll not want to play it. If this gets a PC release, I might have a pop at it, but I'll not be buying a 360 for it.

    The macho thing in GoW, from what I read/see, is about as in-your-face as it is in old westerns or war films, which I also generally hate for the same reason. It's no more a weak argument than disliking any other style of storytelling; or are you saying that it's totally invalid to not play a game in a genre you like because you don't like the setting and style?

  • foglord #93 5 years ago

    i don't think you're a "brave soul" if you admit you don't like GoW, but i think even fans of the game have to admit that it's the textbook example of "style over substance".

    gameplay was clearly not a priority here.

    maybe future releases will fix the repetitive nature of the game.
    Edited by 1 at 25/11/06 @ 02:24

  • Horstachio #94 5 years ago

    I'm a proud owner of a 360. Just finished the single player. Tried a bit the multiplayer. And I have an opinion. My opinion. Ok?

    THIS GAME IS OVER-RATED

  • Jamaicangmr #95 5 years ago

    Theres no doubt that Gears could be a long term franchise but to rival Mario now thats a bold statment. He needs to remember that Mario keeps re-inventing himself and the unique thing about Mario is he's the franchise he's the star. He dropped his brother years ago now Nintendo puts Mario infront of anything and sells millions of it. I really don't see how Gears match that. I doubt Epic would be willing to do nearly as much with the lead in Gears as Nintendo has done with Mario. Or if it would be as well received as Mario .

    The stamina of Mario is hard to match by any other mascot or franchise in our industry today.

  • Mjollnir #96 5 years ago

    The thing about Gears is yes, it is a good game, but it's nothing new. It looks really nice, but the story is lacking. It doesn't really add anything in innovative gameplay either. Sure there are some cool touches to it but it's nothing that we haven't seen before.

    With Mario, Final Fantasy and other juggernaut franchises, when they first appeared they were something new to the market. They have changed over the years and expanded in different directions. For example, Smash Brothers, Mario Kart, Final Fantasy Tatics, FFXII. With Gears I can't see this happening. The trilogy will not deviate too much from the original game, albeit with some extras thrown in, but it simply does not have the power that other franchises have. It's not adding anything to games apart from it's graphics, that's all it's going going for me.

  • Rambaldi #97 5 years ago

    @Zane

    "I can't see it taking on as many games as Mario, purely because it can’t change its style"

    And Mario really makes an effort to push its own aesthetic barriers doesn't it?

    @Mjollnir

    "It looks really nice, but the story is lacking"

    Again, some of these long term franchises have equally thin and repetitive stories, ergo it's not grounds for a game failing to last many iterations.

    It's often difficult to pinpoint the 'X-factor' in certain games, but it's very easy to pick holes in them based on flawed accustaions. Whatever you can say about Gears, there's no denying that right now it does have that 'buzz' about it.

    Don't get me wrong, it's a bit of a bold statement saying Gears will run and run, but given its current popularity, who knows?

  • gelf #98 5 years ago

    A third person shooter with the best graphics in the world is still a third person shooter and that why its not a system seller for me. Neither is anything with Mario for that matter but Mario is far more versatile a character then generic grunt look of the gears characters.

  • thinktank #99 5 years ago

    @hortsachio

    Thats my point exactly, as you said thats your opinion, you think its overated.

    Well why then do you and many others feel the need to post about something your not all that bothered about.

    I don't like the 5 series but i don't go and post about on every BMW forum, because i don't care about it.

    I think the wii is the most miss guided peice of hardware ninty have ever released but i have not said so on any forum until this debate.

    Bottom line is i don't talk about things that i don't realy like or arn't bothered about etc. Well not more than once, just say i dnt like them. I certainly don't go out of my way to inform people that game A is the most overrated or over hyped blah blah.

    Its like girls, the fat ugly ones allways bitch about the stunner's, because on some level they do care.

  • davisorle #100 5 years ago

    Yeah this game is over rated ... and there is still people playing Dragonball, Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh.. Nothing wrong with that but I will never ever respect their opinions in gaming cause they just play according to their addictions. Well, have fun and stick with your stupid games. When I see a really good RPG I'll play it over and over till I know there is nothing I haven't found in the game. When I get an awesome adventure game I'll be playing it till I make sure I finish it no matter how hard it is. If I get a great FPS or action game I'll get so into it that I wont give a shit about what others think cause it's just stupid arguing about it this much.

    All of you talking shit about GOW I wonder what your favorite games are...

  • Rambaldi #101 5 years ago

    I'm sorry, I'm not getting your logic.

    You like lot's of different genres ergo your opinion on Gears is more valid than others? You like lot's of different genres therefore you're qualified to say that it is overated?

    I'm not even sure that anything CAN be overated anyway. It's like saying sterotypes don't exist, when clearly they do.

    If something is widely accepted as being a very good example of a genre, perhaps that's because it IS actaully very good.

    Who are WE to tell the French that frogs legs are vile?

  • Inflatable #102 5 years ago

    ------Gears of War might be moving a lot of pixels around, but there's no style, no character, nothing to make you stare in wonder at the graphical splendour unfolding before your eyes.

    And I note you said "pretty impressed by the graphics". Because that's the most you can be.-------

    That I'm pretty impressed means a lot because I've played games on the PC for a very long time already, and I always have a very high-end PC because I keep it uptodate with the latest hardware, so I'm used to very nice looking games.. So if a consolegame like GoW impresses me that says a lot.. Also the fact I play on a SDTV and it still impresses me says a lot..

    And I disagree with you GoW has no style and character.. I think the style of 'destroyed beauty' as they call it is very nice.. I also like how all acts have a different setting.. I think Act 4 impressed me the most with the conservatory and mansion etc, although Act 3 with the rain was pretty impressive aswell..


    ------@Inflatable: Gears of War has incredible graphics, no doubt. It is amazing what they can pull of using the 360 hardware. But I would say that I enjoy PGR3's graphics way more than those of Gears of War. If you would ask me to name one game that looks better, I'd choose PGR3 over Gears of War anytime.------

    Yeah, PGR3 looks pretty nice aswell, especially since it's a launchgame.. It was the reason I bought a Xbox 360 beginning of this year.. But from a technical point of view I still think GoW looks better, although it's hard to compare because they are so different in setting.. Not suprising since GoW is a 2nd generation game on the Xbox 360 and it uses a brandnew high-end engine like Unreal Engine 3.0 that it looks better technically imho..

  • Horstachio #103 5 years ago

    I care because I think the press has lost a bit the point, and got carried away a bit too much about how good it looks. Yes it does. It's incredibly polished.

    But it's not an amazing gameplay milestone in my book. And I think that a game that scores 95% on average on all sites should be one.

    Otherwise we make less of previous landmarks. And this is an example; comparing Gears with Mario as a videogame milestone is just ridiculous.

    And I think - just my opinion - that when we look back twenty years from now, when Gears graphics mean nothing because they look outdated, it'll be harder to understand why it got those scores.

  • sanctusmortis #104 5 years ago

    It amuses me when people say the graphics aren't "all that". Compare it to, say, Half-Life 2 and Doom 3, two games commonly held in high regard for their graphics. Look at Lost Coast, the HDR HL2 add-on. Now look at the architecture in that, and GoW. You've gotta be talking bullshot if you think there's a massive improvement over GoW.

    You have to consider PGR3 has a LOT less to render. There's no road dust, the crowd aren't massively active, the buildings don't take damage... And I'm sorry, but if you think RE4 was graphically better you're blind. Especially the chunky, ugly PS2 version.

    It's not the greatest game ever, but to the people who love it it's a rush. It's a very hook-laden game, that keeps you going through frustration and repeated death. I had to do the same section for an HOUR thanks to accidentally switching out my Lancer just before a cutscene and being left with two "specialist" weapons. I didn't tire of it, I enjoyed it. Every time, the first enemy I saw did the same thing. The others... well, that was the fun. It's not a game to appeal to everyone; it is, however, appealing to a market. It's not fair to accuse it of being terrible because it isn't your thing; I've hated lots of "top games", but I know that's me and not the game.

    As for the franchise idea... the universe of GoW could become pretty big, a setting hallowed like Doom or Quake or Unreal. Mario status is lofty, and I don't think he means having a Gears in every genre, merely in terms of popularity, brand recognition and sales. The 1m copies in 2 weeks proves his point; it's a strong brand already, and he thinks they could keep it going a lot longer than a trilogy. Good luck, I say, as many great games have failed in that. It's nice to have a successful new brand every so often. Heck, MGS is a massive brand, but how many MGS games are there? 3 out on PS/PS2, 3 on PSP? It's not that big a goal, when you give it PERSPECTIVE.

    Quit reading what the eye-grabbing opener says, and read the articles. It's a lot better for you.
    Edited by 1 at 25/11/06 @ 12:58

  • bioreit #105 5 years ago

    @ Steroyd

    "that's going to be very difficult Final Fantasy, GTA, Metal Gear Solid, Mario, have been embedded into our brains for at least 15 - 20 years, and they're in completely different genre's as well."

    Right..... so because other series which, by your own admission, are "in completely different genre's", Gears of War would find it difficult to become a popular series.

    Nope, sorry, can't see the logic there.

    If Epic can deliver excellent 3PS games, why should it matter that we love JRPGs, kinda top-down spy games, free-roaming city games?

    Ah, wait, I forgot - because it's YOU talking about a MICROSOFT exclusive game. I see. It all becomes clear now.


    Oooh and on a side note - GTA has been around for fifteen to twenty years? Blimey. Must have missed the Master System and SNES versions of that one...

  • dudefella #106 5 years ago

    Yeah I think we've established that Mark Rein is pretty much a bag of hot air. Or full of shit. Whichever you prefer. Shooting his mouth off after one succesful game? Go away plx kthx

  • dk_rare #107 5 years ago

    Umm, Mario has to be the most valuable and well established gaming IPs in history.

    Although I see what they are getting at, like a series of Gears games, like the Quake series for example. That would be cool, they sure would all look impressive.

  • TonyBlair #108 5 years ago

    Mario & Luigi and all the crew wipe the floor with the gears dudes. GOW is good but nowhere near magical Mario Nintendo have let the guy down though lately!

    Look at Sonic he's fried... MARIO MARIO MARIO!

  • Steroyd #109 5 years ago

    Right..... so because other series which, by your own admission, are "in completely different genre's", Gears of War would find it difficult to become a popular series.

    Mario and Final Fantasy were there at the beginning, they were also able to re-invent themselves to feel fresh after all these years (although the NEW Super Mario Brothers game is suspect. ¬_¬).

    I think the shooting genres ( FPS, TPS, and whatever Metroid Prime fits in) in particular are having as much trouble as the fighting Genre (they both need a boot up the arse), all you need to do is up the graphics add a little flair and it's all good, Metroid Prime gave me such joy but got bored of the formula in Metroid Prime Echoes (which took me two years to complete btw) not looking forward to Metroid Prime crruption in all honesty (if i ever get a wii that is), the only game in the genre i'm truely looking forward to is Bioshock.... sorry BioShock.

    I just get that feeling Gears sequels are going to end up like Doom 3, while a nice looking game it's so generic as hell it pisses me off.

    Plus it doesn't take long for the games to get dated.

    **edit**

    Heh heh GTA was such a bad example, we'll see how it does next gen it wasn't exactly the most popular or memorable game on PS1.
    Edited by 1 at 25/11/06 @ 22:21

  • Razz #110 5 years ago

    /looks forward to Gears Tennis

  • davisorle #111 5 years ago

    bioreit I guess you already got disturbed by seeing such an exclusive from Microsfot's part now don't you? And GTA has been around for how many years? LOL! 15-20 years? I don't think you were even born at that time you mention cause when the first GTA came out I bought it and it wasn't that long ago. Stop fuckin talking about things you don't know dude. It's really pathetic. Who ever doesn't want a sequel to Gears of War don't freaking buy it and Epic will understand by the sales that people wouldn't like it. By the way it seems now most of you talk out of your ass cause you aren't able to play this game so I can only laught and see how sad you might look. I'm gonna play Gears of War online right now with my friends so ... LOL! We are never gonna understand how come you feel alright with yourselves making such comments about this.

  • haowan #112 5 years ago

    great thread

  • Xerx3s #113 5 years ago

    Davisorle, I suggest that you actually read before making a fool out of yourself.

  • Xerx3s #114 5 years ago

    If you repeat saying that GoW is generic as hell, you might actually believe it. The argument will fall on deaf ears for most people as they are really enjoying themselves with it.

  • Steroyd #115 5 years ago

    I didn't say GeoW is generic as hell I'm saying given the genre like Doom 3 where it literally follows the original by the book (which pissed me off) I can see GeoW doing a similar type of thing, happened to Splinter Cell 1-3 not sure about Double Agent though havn't played it, I personally welcome the SC5 to be exclusive might do the franchise some good.

    Plus i'm getting tired of GTA now, I didn't buy GTA:VCS at launch which was a first for me.

  • Xerx3s #116 5 years ago

    Ah. Well, I showed it to my mates yesterday before going out and by the time we got to act 2, most of them didn't bother with going out any more as they where having such a good time. Oh, and they are anti gamers to the bone with a special dislike for standard FPS.

    It may be all the things that the nay sayers here say it is. However, it also is one other thing: Incredible super-duper fun. The more people, the more fun. And that is the most important factor.

    It does things by the book and then just writes another book about it as well.

  • bioreit #117 5 years ago

    *nods at Xerx3s*

    Cheers for pointing out davisorle's mistake to him (and his apparent inability to detect sarcasm from a mile or two away) - such a pity that rabidness makes it much more difficult for normal conversations...

    To be honest, I think Gears fo War DOES have the potential to become a truly massive series; if (and only IF) Epic achieve what Mark Rein actually stated in the article:

    "If we can keep making quality games that fans obviously want then why would we have to stop at three".

    Seems people have chosen to ignore that and just gone "But Gears being as big as Mario? That is unposser-bell!"

    Methinks they need to actually read those funny squiggles on the screen before adding their own. They're called words people - use 'em for what they're meant for...

  • Xerx3s #118 5 years ago

    Well, when you look at the track record of epic for expanding games with extra's over the years, this game can only become better. I also think that sequels can really build on this game, especially in light of the last line of voice over in the campaign.

    However, Mario is a monster franchise and I doubt that there is anything that sony or ms can do to get anywhere near that. But his words here are imo used out of context.

    But I think that ms looked at their Halo franchise, drew it's conclusions and used the experience for this new franchise. It won't be the end all game, but it's a hell of a lot of fun.

  • viperfoxbat #119 5 years ago

    You have to admit the reloading mini game was brilliant. The chainsaw bayonet was also brilliant because I was asking myself why didn't I think of that. There are some great things about Gears of War other then just eye candy. The Co-op play is just awesome and takes the game into a new direction. I've beaten the game on the first 2 difficulties and I would rate this game a 9.5/10. It's just my opinion and I like this style of gaming.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #120 5 years ago

    @Viperfoxbat: You didn't think of it because you probably saw it in Warhammer 40k first :)

  • Jheronimus #121 5 years ago

    Karts of War, Gears of Football, I see a lot of potential :p

  • kangarootoo #122 5 years ago

    I think some people are egtting a bit carried away with GeOW. It may be a very good game, but Mario is an institution. GeOW is only one title so far and so still has a lot to prove. Plus GeOW just doesn't cater for as wide a market as Mario does.

    Mario is a very strong icon, distinctive in both its appearance and the way it sounds (the voice it has been given, but also its iconic music and SFX). I don't want to upset anyone, but Mr Fenix or whatever he is called is a very generic character, as is the GeOW setting to be honest. Hardly something that would be recognised at a glance by most people.

  • Steroyd #123 5 years ago

    If Gears public image can survive something like <a href=http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=0nMIY5Ihgjc>This</a> it can survive anything.

    /cries at memories of the past.
    Edited by 1 at 27/11/06 @ 12:03

  • Rambaldi #124 5 years ago

    @Kanaga

    "its (Mario) iconic music and SFX"

    There's a fine line between iconic and dated, stuck in the mud, irritating shite