Booth babes banned from E3

By Ellie Gibson Published 24 January, 2006

Cover up or cough up, says ESA.

What would E3 be without bundles of beautiful ladies parading round the show floor in nothing much at all? Well, we could be finding out come May, since the Entertainment Software Association has announced that exhibitors attending this year's event will face a hefty fine if they attempt to promote their products using scantily clad women.

The news emerged after the IGDA published an excerpt from the E3 handbook on its website which read: "Material, including live models, conduct that is sexually explicit and/or sexually provocative, including but not limited to nudity, partial nudity and bathing suit bottoms, are prohibited on the Show floor, all common areas, and at any access points to the Show. ESA, in its sole discretion, will determine whether material is acceptable."

This is nothing new, since for many years the ESA has issued instructions along these lines. However, most exhibitors have simply ignored them in the past - hence the appearance of more and more booth babes with each E3 that passes.

But now the ESA has stated that the rules will be firmly enforced for E3 2006, and that those who ignore them will be penalised. The handbook continues: "The Board has adopted an amendment to the current Character of Exhibit/Attire Policy enforcement. Exhibitors will receive ONE verbal warning when a violation of the policy is encountered. Should another violation occur, the ESA will impose a $5000 penalty, payable immediately on-site and require that models comply with the dress code before returning to the floor."

Show director Mary Dolaher confirmed the amendment to US website Gamecloud, stating: "What's new in 2006 is an update of the enforcement policies, which simply allow show management to better enforce the long-standing dress code.

"E3Expo is first and foremost a business show, and policies such as this one help create an environment not only "where business gets fun", but where business gets done."

"The vast majority of other major tradeshows have the same or similar policies," Dolaher added.

Whether the ESA will enforce the new rules remains to be seen. After all, every year they say they'll refuse to allow entry to anyone under the age of 18, and yet every year the show floor is flooded with spotty herberts who wouldn't know an Amstrad CPC 464 from a fun size Marathon. Guess we'll just have to wait and see...

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  • rinoaMW #1 6 years ago

    why? :/

  • Darkedge #2 6 years ago

    that sucks!

  • myiagros #3 6 years ago

    boo!! come on games and skantaly clad ladies, what could be better?

  • Teeth #4 6 years ago

    Lara will be OK though. Panic over, lads!

  • bunglebonce #5 6 years ago

    Quite right.

    A publisher shouldn't have to rely on sexual exploitation to sell a game.

    About time the industry starts growing up.

  • Artemis_Matsas #6 6 years ago

    Looks like that ESA is out to make a buck :p

  • jack_klugman #7 6 years ago

    Or get taken seriously.

  • Furbs #8 6 years ago

    bunglebonce, you mean like the music and movie industries?

  • alimokrane #9 6 years ago

    well that's new, at least to me ... how pathetic!

  • jack_klugman #10 6 years ago

    bunglebonce, you mean like the music and movie industries?

    Surely they should start growing up too? bunglebounce's point is entirely valid. Ultimately it can only detract from the product rather than enhance or promote it. Booth babes do not a game maketh.
    Edited by 1 at 24/01/06 @ 12:12

  • Furbs #11 6 years ago

    True, but I dont see how it has any bearing on it "growing up". Start with the content first, then work on how you choose to market it.

    Face it, sex sells.

  • #12 6 years ago

    THEY'RE DEAD RIGHT. Look, I like scantily clad women just as much as the next guy, but this smacks of that controversy where they were hiring cheer-leaders to go and push crappy prescription drugs on doctors and hospitals.

    It's shameless sexual exploitation. And I'm not talking about the exploitation of women!!! Us poor guys are at the mercy of our doo-dahs, and sticking a pert ass and a nice pair of tits in our face while we're trying to make important decisions just ain't right...

    Mind you, I won't mind if they keep them personally. I don't feel THAT strongly about it...

  • rinoaMW #13 6 years ago

    "Surely they should start growing up too? bunglebounce's point is entirely valid. Ultimately it can only detract from the product rather than enhance or promote it. Booth babes do not a game maketh. "

    but it sure helps when waiting in line :)
    Edited by 1 at 24/01/06 @ 12:15

  • #14 6 years ago

    Ha ha, I wonder how many posts we'll get from guys grinning like fools saying "I like booth babes, they're mighty purty..." LOOK, we all like booth babes. But they shouldn't be there... Why not download some decent porn if you're that pushed about it...

  • bunglebonce #15 6 years ago

    I was commenting on the videogame industry subjectively, but entertainment generally shouldn't have to sell using sex, as easy as it is to do.

  • #16 6 years ago

    Amen bunglebounce. They should be forced to compete and sell good products.

    In fact, I would go as far as to say that all forms of bullshit advertising (I include Sony's third place fucking shite at the top of my list) should be abandoned...

  • jack_klugman #17 6 years ago

    True, but I dont see how it has any bearing on it "growing up". Start with the content first, then work on how you choose to market it.

    It has *everything* to do with growing up; the ability to demonstrate a responsible and mature attitude to marketing and not resorting to base purile methods. And its all too easy to be accepting of it with lazy, dismissive comments like but it sure helps when waiting in line :).

  • Xerx3s #18 6 years ago

    5000 $? Companies like EA will shit on that. They will pay the fine and continue their buisiness.

    Personally, i dont mind, but i can understand why they ban such ladies from the scene. Its about games, not nudity. If your game is so crap that noone even bothers comming to your stand unless you have nudity on it, you might consider going back to the drawing table.

  • tonynibbles #19 6 years ago

    o_O

    ESA R TEH SUXXXORZ

  • elliottlock #20 6 years ago

    OHHHHHHHHHH I want booth babes, No fair... (Shut it Jack, LOL)

  • Scientist #21 6 years ago

    How many games' sales have actually been affected by the presence of "babes" at E3?

    There is a difference between "glamour" at a trade show (same for any industry) and then how these games are marketed to the public.

    Poeple seem to be confusing the two.

  • jack_klugman #22 6 years ago


    There is a difference between "glamour" at a trade show (same for any industry) and then how these games are marketed to the public.

    Poeple seem to be confusing the two.

    Define this "glamour". All I see is sleaze.

  • Corben_Dallas #23 6 years ago

    what the hell is Tecmo goin to do with their Beach Volleyball game ?:|

    WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE BEACH VOLLEY BABES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :D ]:) :p

  • Cheapshot #24 6 years ago

    I agree with this. When I think of E3 I think of sexually frustrated yank teens drooling over girls with a lack of self respect, not so much about the next Zelda game or whatever - it's pretty saddening.

    Maybe the industry can lose this stereotype and finally get some respect.

    And if those geeks want to look at girls the easy way just use the internet for crying out loud! ;)

  • elliottlock #25 6 years ago

    Yes it's sad you have to grow so old and can't walk around an event enjoy the great view of tits and ass and when i get some spare time, the games.

  • asphaltcowboy #26 6 years ago

    Gah, will anyone bother looking at pictures of the E3 show floor now then?

  • kangarootoo #27 6 years ago

    I'm sort of (but only just) in two minds over this one.

    I go to motorbike shows from time to time and at those there is probably a booth babe for every 10 people on the floor. Now hot as they inevitably are, I have always had this sense of embarassment on the part of the guys that wander up to get their photo taken with them.

    Reason being that these girls are there because they are paid, they talk to you because they are paid, they smile because they are paid. They don't want to hear your half arsed chat up lines (I've heard the lines whilst standing nearby and seen the boredom on the girl's faces fight its way past her grin). Paying £10 for a photo and 5 words of chat seems a very hollow way to get some female contact.

    That said, I'm not the moral police. If being a booth babe is part of what forms the job of a model, then who am I say to say whether that is OK. Although we shouldn't confuse needing to work with wanting to work. I'm sure every booth babe in the show would rather be on the front cover of Cosmo than being pawed by sweaty geeks (sorry, I used the G word again, I do try not to).

    Overall though, I think this is a good move. The games market is arse deep in games that seem to be aimed at 14 year old boys. Which is madness, as they don't have any money to speak of. If a game show panders to the wet dreams of said 14 year old kids, how is it ever going to attract a wider audience and in turn produce games with wider appeal (and raise more cash, and make me richer, if you want to be mercenary about it).

    But then they are very cute. I've got an ego vs id struggle going on in my head right now.

  • jack_klugman #28 6 years ago

    Yes it's sad you have to grow so old and can't walk around an event enjoy the great view of tits and ass and when i get some spare time, the games.

    Y'wacky scamp you.

  • Scientist #29 6 years ago

    Define this "glamour". All I see is sleaze

    Hence the ironic quotation marks...

  • rinoaMW #30 6 years ago

    "There is a difference between "glamour" at a trade show (same for any industry) and then how these games are marketed to the public.

    Poeple seem to be confusing the two.

    Define this "glamour". All I see is sleaze. "

    but you have to agree with him, you are just confusing the two..

    are you objecting to the sexism side of this more? I'm quite happy for them to hire Booth Hunks, in order to sate the desires of the up and coming female gamers... then everyone is happy :)

  • jack_klugman #31 6 years ago

    The idea of booth hunks is surely just as vile as booth babes? In both instances you're reducing people to marketing tools based on their tits and pecks.

  • kangarootoo #32 6 years ago

    "are you objecting to the sexism side of this more? I'm quite happy for them to hire Booth Hunks, in order to sate the desires of the up and coming female gamers... then everyone is happy :)"

    Or everyone is equally unhappy. Your suggestion doesn't make it better, just balanced. Like if everyone was equally racist that would somehow be OK? I'm sure that isn't what you actually mean and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. Its just that sexism is seen as sort of OK and a bit of fun by a lot of people.

  • Cheapshot #33 6 years ago

    "Yes it's sad you have to grow so old and can't walk around an event enjoy the great view of tits and ass and when i get some spare time, the games."

    Eh? What the fuck!?

  • jack_klugman #34 6 years ago

    Its just that sexism is seen as sort of OK and a bit of fun by a lot of people.

    Which... just isn't on surely?

    That said I do find those wacky negros hillarious with their big lips and silly voices. Man who'd give them a job huh? Haha! Please - someone slap my thigh for me.

    I mean... these analogies *are* directly comparable right?
    Edited by 2 at 24/01/06 @ 12:49

  • Scientist #35 6 years ago

    "marketing tools"

    They are not marketing tools. They work in promotions. There is a subtle (read "obvious";) distinction.

    Marketing would involve having babes in TV adverts saying "buy this". Maria Whittaker with Barbarian, for example.

    Pretty much every industry that has tyrade show utilises booth baes. Our industry is no different. What is more worrying thatn babes at show is babes on game packaging, Kelly Brook used to sell NSFU. Now that's dodgy marketing.

  • elliottlock #36 6 years ago

    MORE TITS AND ASS, MORE TITS AND ASS, SIGN IT WITH ME PEOPLE!!!

  • Zomoniac #37 6 years ago

    Will somebody explain to me how when a girl gets down to her underwear to do a trade show it's sexist, degrading and exploitative (despite the fact they get paid £75-100 an hour), yet when a guy gets down to his underwear to promote some perfume or Diet Coke everybody's cool with it?

    People are born with talents, then they work at them to become professionals in their field. If your best 'talent', as it were, is that you're very good looking, and you're willing to put in the effort to get a great body, regardless of gender, then good for you, go do it.

  • kangarootoo #38 6 years ago

    @jack_klugman

    Errr, I don't know if you got my point. I'm not saying sexism is OK, I'm saying that some people view it that way but I'm not one of them. I was also suggesting that appealing to sexism all round is not better than appealing in a one sided way, but rather eqally wrong.

    With that in mind, I don't really get your last question of the previous comment. I think it was a dig at me, but we seem to agree. Care to expand?
    Edited by 1 at 24/01/06 @ 12:57

  • BremXJones #39 6 years ago

    Zomoniac: Do you really need someone to explain it to you?

    KG

  • jack_klugman #40 6 years ago

    kangarootoo - No, my apologies. I saw we were saying the same thing. I was just being ranty and incoherent in spades.

    Zomoniac - It's bad because fundementally reducing people to asthetic objects dehumanises them. Natch.

  • Scientist #41 6 years ago

    "Zomoniac: Do you really need someone to explain it to you?"

    You explain. He made a decent point.

    "sexism"
    Any ladies care to give their two cents? There seems to be a lot of men here speaking on your behalf.

  • Scientist #42 6 years ago

    "Zomoniac - It's bad because fundementally reducing people to asthetic objects dehumanises them. Natch."


    Utter tosh!
    How about Rubens, or rennaissance sculpture? Surely that is aesthetic and not dehumanising.

  • elliottlock #43 6 years ago

    If the ladies who do it want your opinion they would ask for it. GO GIRLS!

  • space_ace #44 6 years ago

    because ps3 is too exciting anyway

  • Zomoniac #45 6 years ago

    It's bad because fundementally reducing people to asthetic objects dehumanises them. Natch.

    Why is that bad? We are fundementally aesthetic objects. You look at a photo of Cameron Diaz or whoever and are attracted to her. She's a human, but to us she's purely an aesthetic object, it's how people work. I really don't see what the objection is. If people can sell stuff based on sex then go them, they're the intelligent ones, the people who should be shot are the people with so little self control that they will buy Driver 3 because it was being advertised by a hot chick in a bikini. If I ran a business I'd happily exploit people who were that stupid.

  • jack_klugman #46 6 years ago

    Scientist - Rubens wasn't selling something.

  • #47 6 years ago

    @EVERYONE: I think that there are three groupos of people that this exploits.

    1) Guys who are suckered in by this shameless advertising, and don't care;
    2) Guys who are suckered in by this shameless advertising, and don't even know it;
    3) Women who are treated like sexual objects by guys because of it.

    The people not being exploited (however strongly or weakly you see it) are the guys not fitting into categories 1) and 2) and the chicks who take this work and make a packet out of it for just being hot and tolerant. (I must be clear, I do not regard these women as exploiting their fellow genderees)...

  • Scientist #48 6 years ago

    " Scientist - Rubens wasn't selling something."

    What? Apart from his paintings. He didn't do it for free.

  • jack_klugman #49 6 years ago

    Scientist - Okay, you're right. And my argument has fallen down along the way. BristeCliste put it better than I ever could. I'm angry and unfocussed and very pleased there will be no more booth baes at E3. Thus I win.

  • MoFo #50 6 years ago

    Don't care either way. Never been to E3, never likely to go to E3. But I do like looking at porn.

  • jack_klugman #51 6 years ago

    booth babes, while silly to be used at a gaming convention, are still a part of E3's (and Tokyo Game Show's) history that people (that is, the mainly male gaming market) look forward to each year... it's just a part of E3 that is hilarious and entertaining to be a part of.

    What a sickeningly accepting attitude to take.

  • bunglebonce #52 6 years ago

    If the girls want the job, and it's there, they should do it. [EDIT]: I don't blame the girls for doing it.

    I don't particularly give a shit about that; I care about my games. As jack_k initially argued, more often than not the exploitation detracts from the games rather than enhances them.
    Edited by 1 at 24/01/06 @ 13:19

  • Scientist #53 6 years ago

    I am all for toning down the ultra gratuitous whores who turn up at E3. There is still room though for your bog standard promotion boys and girls to help on the stands as most companies don't have enough staff to work on the stands. It's all about how they are dressed. You can have chic and beautiful or trashy and the E3 girls tend to be trashy (after all they work in LA and would most likely take 2 up the gary for fun/money :-))

    And I concur that there is nothing quite as sad as wandering past the Tecmo stand at E3 and seeing myriad gate crashers with their digital cameras. I wouldn't do it, but each to his own, I suppose.

    I'll sit on the fence (not because the view's better)

  • tenma #54 6 years ago

    I don't get some of the arguments here. Do people honestly believe that game brands that look like absolute shite manage to still sell if the developer has good booth babes? This has nothing to do with maturing the industry; booth babes, while silly to be used at a gaming convention, are still a part of E3's (and Tokyo Game Show's) history that people (that is, the mainly male gaming market) look forward to each year. It's not as if people are sexually starved and mark down the date of when they can see a scantly clad Tecmo girl handing out prizes, but it's just a part of E3 that is hilarious and entertaining to be a part of.

    Good games will typically sell, and even those that unfortunately aren't as lucrative as they should be (shadow of the collosus, psychonauts) can't be blamed as such because of a lack of booth babes. If you honestly think the main reason guys are going to E3 - especially given the ease and accessibility of finding porn online - just to look at, while scantly clad, *still* clothed girls then you're kidding yourself. Let those that value this sort of thing continue to enjoy it.

    You can't chastize publishers for improper marketing without chastizing the whole entertainment industry. And when it comes down to it, why does it matter? As long as you own the game, movie, or cd that you want and are enjoying it, why care whether a publisher thinks it's financially wise to make a game like Lula 3D. The whole argument that sex can sell anything falls short with many examples (Outlaw Tennis and Dave Mirra's BMXXX come to mind).

    The whole argument that it's reducing people to aesthetic objects is utter tosh - that has been the case practically since advertising took off. If people are willing to simply stand around and look pretty and get paid handsomely for it, then it's their call.

  • tenma #55 6 years ago

    What a sickeningly accepting attitude to take.


    What the hell is your problem? Did a booth babe rape your parents and set your house on fire? Jesus.

  • Furbs #56 6 years ago

    ""Material, including live models, conduct that is sexually explicit and/or sexually provocative, including but not limited to nudity, partial nudity and bathing suit bottoms, are prohibited"

    So a fully dressed woman who is sexy to look at (sexually provocative) will be fined? I've never actually seen a nude or partially nude boothbabe anyway. Nor anything sexually explicit. I think its a storm in a teacup tbh.

    And jack, you wont get away from them, they'll just be outside.

  • jack_klugman #57 6 years ago

    tenma - No.

    Furbs - At least it'll be discouraged rather then endorsed. That matters to me most.
    Edited by 1 at 24/01/06 @ 13:25

  • Furbs #58 6 years ago

    Its good that these women cant be exploited now though. I mean its not like any of these out of work women who have built a career around their looks will be drawn in to prostitution, stripping or (ahem) "glamour" modelling.

    Its great that all these people want to stop their exploitation. No really.

  • nickyickywickywoo #59 6 years ago

    @ tenma lol

    I wouldn't consider myself to be sexist, and personally not a big fan of [obvious] sex to sell anything, but I'm surprised how firmly people want to take the moral highground, especially when you consider the matter isn't that black & white.

    Has anyone here watched any pr0n? Isn't that a tad more exploitative? And sexist? (easily bandied around these -isms are). Are we the ones who are being exploited or are they?

    /reaches for flameproof hat

  • Scientist #60 6 years ago

    "especially when you consider the matter isn't that black & white. "

    Agreed, but this is a gaming site where opinionated geeks and moral relativism have a free reign.

  • nickyickywickywoo #61 6 years ago

    Fair enuff, I guess -

    "I am surprised that" indeed sounded slightly better than "I am completely unsurprised by your opinionated hypocrisy".

    All in the wrist you see

  • rogermellie #62 6 years ago

    I go to motorbike shows from time to time and at those there is probably a booth babe for every 10 people on the floor. Now hot as they inevitably are, I have always had this sense of embarassment on the part of the guys that wander up to get their photo taken with them.

    My wife's friend was once a Honda booth babe and it wasn't the sad blokes that bothered her, but the waiting around and lack of interest in motorbikes. I always feel sorry for the MCN booth babes that attend the race meetings when the weather is cold and wet.

  • reality_cheque #63 6 years ago

    I don't think I have anything to say that's not already been said, aside from one thing: to all those people who say "if you want to look at scantily clad women, find some porn" or words to those effects... do you really think that looking at jpgs can compare with real life people in the flesh?

    At the end of the day, I'm very unlikely to go to E3, and I've never bothered looking at pictures of the event, so this affects me not at all.

  • CaptainBinky #64 6 years ago

    "A publisher shouldn't have to rely on sexual exploitation to sell a game."

    Dead or Alive?
    DOA Xtreme Beach Volleyball?
    Rumble Roses?

    What a pathetic attempt at PC.

  • jack_klugman #65 6 years ago

    Meh. Better a cartoon computer graphic than an actual human being.

  • Zuiyo #66 6 years ago

    Come on... this is not news. There will be girls in miniskirts and showing more skin than average in the show anyway, maybe a little more constrained this year, and next year we'll be back to half breast and half an ass out. I say, at least get some male models too, make things even.

  • kangarootoo #67 6 years ago

    @CaptainBinky

    lol, you make no actual point whatsoever.

    Someone says people shouldn't "have" to rely on sex to sell their games and then you reference three games that do. How does that contradict what the previous poster said? All you did was list three games.

    As for the "pathetic attempt" insult. I spit in the face of political correctness. It is a cover invented for people to protect themselves from their own insecurities and bigotries. Saying sexism is bad is not PC, saying "lets pretend all the women are men" (or some variant of that) is what PC is all about. They aren't the same at all.

  • Bertie Verified Senior Staff Writer, Eurogamer.net #68 6 years ago

    Oh ffs! My besterest bit of E3 is gawping at the girls in Pat's pictures!

    I mean, erm, seeing the newly unveiled games of course

  • Zuiyo #69 6 years ago

    I believe this argument is silly. All this fear of sex and sexuality is religion-induced.

  • MrAtheist #70 6 years ago

    I think you have a point.

    Its time to move the next E3 to Iraq, instead of Booth Babes we can have Burqa babes.
    Edited by 1 at 24/01/06 @ 14:48

  • kangarootoo #71 6 years ago

    "All this fear of sex and sexuality is religion-induced"

    Hehehehe. There is pretty much nothing in my life that is religion-induced, be sure of that.

    Anyway, that isn't even the point. How on earth do you conclude that a dislike for sexism is the same as a fear of sex and sexuality?

    Ah balls, this argument probably has gone the distance. Its not like we are discovering anything new here or having a debate we couldn't find anywhere else on the web..

  • Furbs #72 6 years ago

    How is it sexist? Certainly most post-feminist thought seems to think it isnt.

  • Lagto_Soa #73 6 years ago

    I think it should be ABOLISHED. These HELPLESS LADIES are being FORCED to practically WHORE THEMSELVES to UTTER STRANGERS with absolutely NO HOPE of monetary compensation. It's the LOSS OF HUMAN RIGHTS that bothers me most. It's practically SLAVERY. And PROSTITUTION. And FRAUD. And KIDNAPPING. And RACISM.

    Angry of Manchester

  • Furbs #74 6 years ago

    :D

  • jienn #75 6 years ago

    Move E3 to EU! The US is clearly in a state of moral-panic as they only see shit trough their shitty fingers.

    Someone please start a E3 to EU partition, im too lazy :)

  • jack_klugman #76 6 years ago

    Ah balls, this argument probably has gone the distance. Its not like we are discovering anything new here or having a debate we couldn't find anywhere else on the web.

    So. True.

  • nickyickywickywoo #77 6 years ago

    But there's still the temptation to have. The. Last. Word ;)

  • jack_klugman #78 6 years ago

    Yes. I agree.

  • Ninjamagic #79 6 years ago

    It is good they have done this.

    God created Woman and yes she is Beautifull.

    But there is a time and a place for that Beauty....otherwise it gets abused.

  • LPXO #80 6 years ago

    To the opinionated rusty trumbone players:

    Please take your anti-exploitation bullshit to a feminist website and have a proper bitch about it. I for one could not give a flying fuck. Bring back the booth babes.

  • jack_klugman #81 6 years ago

    LPXO - Please take your misogyny and bigotry and cram it up your ass. I for one could not give a flying fuck about you if you can't be bothered to even attempt to involve yourself in this discussion.

    DYSWIDT?!

  • LPXO #82 6 years ago

    temper temper! this isnt a discussion. this is people throwing recycled arguements at each other. you being the main protagonist.

  • jack_klugman #83 6 years ago

    It's just something that I believe. My arguments are only recycled in as much as its an old debate and all of this has no doubt been said before. The subject gives it renewed relevance.

  • Frogger #84 6 years ago

    This version of the EG article seems to be more appropriate :

    http://minilien.com/? gmqeOkEHps

    Though I'm not sure the ESA, or Jack Thompson, would like it...

  • nickyickywickywoo #85 6 years ago

    Indeed.

  • Furbs #86 6 years ago

    jack, the only misogyny here seems to be stemming from your puritanical viewpoint. How was LPXO being bigotted? I didnt see him putting down women anywhere.

    Once again, how is this exploitative?

  • nickyickywickywoo #87 6 years ago

    My arguments are only recycled in as much as its an old debate and all of this has no doubt been said before.

    And in other news Hitler was only evil in so much as he liked a spot of genocide, and we're all talking sh*te in so far as we're all bored and ignorant.

    only kidding folks, and sorry about the Godwin's law thang...
    Edited by 1 at 24/01/06 @ 17:08

  • jack_klugman #88 6 years ago

    nickyickywickywoo - Well, what I meant was as opposed to my recycling someone elses. Which I might well be doing unintentionally. Meh.

    Furbs - He was putting down women by virtue of disagreeing with me. My word is gospel.

    It exploits sexuality as a means to sell a product, either through women being used or using themselves as sexual objects or through exploiting those who are attracted by this sort of thing. Ultimately it can only be dehumanising or serve to detract from the focus of the convention.

  • Diabeu #89 6 years ago

    the whole idea of E3 just died

  • Furbs #90 6 years ago

    Focus of E3 - to help sales and boost deals/networking
    Purpose of Booth Babes? - Sex sells.

    How does that affect its focus? Unless you think the head of ATI missed out on the "Way its meant to be played" deal because he was gawping at the girl dressed as Xena.

    It boosts interest - sad as it may seem to you. Thats why E3 gets so much coverage. Would people who buy the product be as interested in a conference dominated by boring blokes in suits? I think not. Thats why accountancy conferences dont make it on to the BBC website.
    Edited by 1 at 24/01/06 @ 17:23

  • LPXO #91 6 years ago

    jack you have to either be totally pussy-whipped or a closet homosexual to have that strong of an opinion on this.

    i also think you should look up the word misogyny in the dictionary. you should also read some of your previous posts on this thread before labelling anyone a bigot.

  • jack_klugman #92 6 years ago

    Furbs - Of course you're right. I just wish people weren't so accepting of it. I imagine that the team behind a game might be a bit peeved to see their creative vision reduced to some T&A show at E3 too. Far better to let the product sell itself on its own merits. Ultimately isn't this meant to be a convention for those interested or involved in the industry? Why do they need booth babes?

    Y'know at one time the sight of a Roman slave being evicerated would probably have oiled the gears of business, but times change and different things become acceptable. I'd just rather society was not so willing to debase itself.
    Edited by 1 at 24/01/06 @ 17:37

  • jack_klugman #93 6 years ago

    LPXO - I am perfectly tolerant of other people's opinions so long as they are worth being tolerant of. I apologise for calling you a misogynist; Furbs picked up on my mistake. You are, however, a cretin.
    Edited by 1 at 24/01/06 @ 17:42

  • nickyickywickywoo #94 6 years ago

    Y'know at one time the sight of a Roman slave being evicerated would probably have oiled the gears of business, but times change and different things become acceptable. I'd just rather society would was not so willing to debase itself.

    Now that, would be nice, but it ain't going to happen - dodgy analogy aside

  • jack_klugman #95 6 years ago

    dodgy analogy aside

    Acknowledged. Any better?

  • nickyickywickywoo #96 6 years ago

    Nah, not really. I'd never have said it in the first place

  • jack_klugman #97 6 years ago

    Well done. Anyone else?

  • #98 6 years ago

    Alot of the arguments I'm hearing here remind me of Nigel Tufnell (from This Is Spinal Tap)'s "Well, what's wrong with being sexy?"...

  • SirScratchalot #99 6 years ago

    Good on them. The sight of people dry-humping models legs and taking pictures with them is something that I´d rather get away from the picture of the industry.

  • Stickman #100 6 years ago

    u r all gh3y!!!1!!

    I can't think of anything constructive to say, so I'm just going to blart out inflammatory remarks if that's OK with the rest.

  • LPXO #101 6 years ago

    Lets ask Karl Pilkington for a suitable analogy.

  • nickyickywickywoo #102 6 years ago

    Well done. Anyone else?

    You, sir, are a wit

    Ok, so I'm half right.

    Why should I bother to explain your half-baked ideas? You even admit as much. Why should I make the effort to make you look even dafter than you are?

    If you want a better analogy, try before last century women didn't have the vote

  • Stickman #103 6 years ago

    but times change and different things become acceptable.

    Like booth babes!

  • Teeth #104 6 years ago

    They'll still be there. The headline is wrong. If the idea of booth babes makes you sick to your stomach, get prepared for vomit action because the devil women will still be there this year, just in a few more clothes.

  • #105 6 years ago

    How many kids are gonna post here with the argument "But we like tits!"? Please, give it a rest will ye? Why would ye want tits at E3 or whatever games expo? Wouldn't ye rather games? For fuck's sake, go outside, there are hot chicks around every corner, and they like it when ya play with their naughty bits as much as ye do...

    Ogling the booth babes is no crime, but if you remove your balls from the debate ye'd see that they just shouldn't be there...

  • jack_klugman #106 6 years ago

    Half-baked?!

  • Teeth #107 6 years ago

    Devil-women!!

  • Furbs #108 6 years ago

    Briste - but ask yourself this...
    Is there a better combination than boobs and games?
    Each have their own merits, but together, its an unstoppable force!!!

    Er, unless you're gay that is. Which is cool.

  • jack_klugman #109 6 years ago

    Half-baked!!

  • Teeth #110 6 years ago

    Fundamentally, though, it's taking the merit of a game away from the game itself, which is the thing I disagree with.

    Still, devil-women need to be purged from this earth and sent to Hades where they belong!

  • LPXO #111 6 years ago

    why can't we have games and titties? have a poll or something and let the people attending decide. if consensus is "No titties" then so be it. the point is are the ESA just throwing their weight around or are they making a decision based on what people want? if it's a minority that do (or don't) want the booth babes there then let them waste their breath. it really shouldnt be such a big deal.
    Edited by 1 at 24/01/06 @ 19:24

  • Teeth #112 6 years ago

    The titties will still be there, lefty.

  • Teeth #113 6 years ago

    er, righty.

    whatever.

  • #114 6 years ago

    @Furbs: There IS a better combination than boobs and games. Boobies and Bits!!! You'll never catch me making the beast with two backs while solving a block puzzle on Zelda.

  • #115 6 years ago

    @Furbs too: Although, with the new controller... strapped to my spine...

    / Briste rubs brow pensively

    My GOD, maybe it's finally possible.
    Sex and games can be combined!!!

  • #116 6 years ago

    @LPXO: That's the stupidest idea I've heard yet today. Let a predominantly male audience decide a thing like that. C'mon, get real...

  • LPXO #117 6 years ago

    It's a predominantly male audience as you say. How is that a stupid idea? Is it a stupid idea to let a predominently female audience make a decision on booth babe dudes at a dildo convention?

  • #118 6 years ago

    It's always a stupid idea to take a poll when you're discussing discrimination. Discrimination is always carried out on a minority/weaker group by a majority/stronger group.

    Anyway, it doesn't matter what the majority think, even if you don't buy the discrimination angle, because even if the guys vote for strippers and lotsa crack, doesn't mean they'll be allowed to have it at ESA's house...

  • Lankyn #119 6 years ago

    You know its time to upgrade your pc when Ridge Racer ads have slow-down.

  • #120 6 years ago

    Anyway, having booth guys at a dildo convention would make sense since that would be appropriate!!! Plus, if they have booth babes at those sad DOA Beach Volleyball stalls, I think that'd be appropriate as well. It'd be relevant to the game after all...

  • #121 6 years ago

    Lankyn, what the fuck are you talking about...

  • nickyickywickywoo #122 6 years ago

    Praps he [Lankyn] thought the argument - errr sorry discussion - needed a fresh approach ;)

  • #123 6 years ago

    Let's get that fuck-wit Thompson on the case then. He'll have a pretty novel approach to this I'm guessing...

  • Furbs #124 6 years ago

    Briste - whats the discrimination here? If anything the discrimination is occuring against the "booth babes" since action they are being prevented from earning a livelihood on the grounds that they might be "sexually provocative".

  • LPXO #125 6 years ago

    @Briste
    Or pirated copies of games at the Rockstar booth? It's not black and white is it.

    You do make a fair point about majority/minority situations but I don't think this is that sensitive of an issue in the broader gaming community.
    Edited by 1 at 24/01/06 @ 19:57

  • #126 6 years ago

    I'll get back to you two gentlemen tomorrow. I'm off for some Tai Chi, and with any luck, some boobies...

  • nickyickywickywoo #127 6 years ago

    @Briste

    Have fun, then ;)

  • Bates #128 6 years ago

    If those booth babes need a job, send them around my gaffe, I've got a job each of them can perform, and it involves lots of blowing.

    There's leaves all over my front yard you see, and I can't be arsed to use the blower on it myself.

    Then when they're done with that, they can come indoors and suck my cock.

  • jack_klugman #129 6 years ago

    Chicken?

  • nickyickywickywoo #130 6 years ago

    Just waiting for you to form a coherent sentence. Or argument. Or point. Or not read like you're spluttering with indignation ;)

    Seriously tho', reckon you have some fair points, but just not sure whether I like the way they're expressed. After all, a person who can so easily bandy words around like "misogyny", "bigotry" and "cretin", would surely take a little hyperbole on the bakedness-of-their-ideas side in their stride?

    I see from your other posts you a clearly an intelligent and sensitive person, so don't let that impression be subsumed by an idea that you can give it but you can't take it, or that you take yourself far too seriously.

    But then again, I probably made the wrong impression at the start, by being a bit of a facetiouos tw*t, for which I apologise.

    If, on the other hand, it's just random mutterings of a madman, forgive my paranoia and smile...

  • jack_klugman #131 6 years ago

    I'm really rather touched. Thank you. And I do take myself so terribly seriously. Gah.

  • nickyickywickywoo #132 6 years ago

    No problems ;) You really do deserve it

  • Stickman #133 6 years ago

    Um...boobs!

    Whatever. My heart's not really in it any more.

  • theiceman #134 6 years ago

    last year i went to E3 with 2 of my work mates.Now i'm not a prude but i go to see some new games for all the next gen consoles not near naked females draped over booths for a bit of male titilation.

    I'm glad they are being told to cover up or else. If i wanna see near naked women i'll look at my gf.

    no wonder they say games are for geeks. most of them haven't seen a real naked chick before until E3.

    Hopefully when i go this year again the show will be about all the new games and consoles not some soft porn show for the boys (and geeks)

  • jack_klugman #135 6 years ago

    Games are increasingly mainstream now too. The days of "pandering to the geeks" are either very much behind us or to be put behind us in the interests of progress. Titilating the boys does rather present a closed message to the wider audience who perhaps still associate computer games with slobering 20-something men. To add further lack of direction to my already wildly aimless commentary.

  • Teeth #136 6 years ago

    Lankyn is on about the Flash adverts that cripple the computers that download them due to their frankly ludicrous processor demands.

    If the ESA wants to ban anything it should think about Flash adverts with ludicrous processor demands.

    And BristeCliste - I'm surprised that you do Tai Chi... you don't seem very chilled out! Just remember - draw the energy up from the floor as you breathe in, and project the used up energy along with your stress out from your fingers as you breathe out... and in.... and out...

    there, that's better

  • reality_cheque #137 6 years ago

    Is there a better combination than boobs and games?
    Each have their own merits, but together, its an unstoppable force!!!

    See Lara Croft or any in the DOA series for proof! Would Tomb Raider be as successful (outside of MJ or Gary Glitters house) if it had featured a 16 yr old boy? I don't bloody think so. This is something you can't force upon people, because you're not changing THEM, you're merely changing the environment. They'll still feel the same way about women. While we're on this crusade of pointlessness, why not ban porn mags? And Page 3 girls? Hell, ban those nivea adverts with the half naked blokes in! (although I don't see how they work, unless the products are aimed at gay men only, unless they're aiming the products at the girlfriends and wives of the men they want to sell it to - which is a bit of a longshot)

    Er, unless you're gay that is. Which is cool.

    Asses for everyone! And some Nivea for the gay dudes. Straight guys get a sample of that manga-hair stuff or something to make it even.

    They should do two events, one complete with Booth Babes, and another without and see which gets the most attendance. If it's the same, booth babes go; if the one with the honeys wins they stay as they're obviously helping the business. And then you get some blokes in hot pants or whatever the hell it is male models wear, if there is complaints about em you take away both.

    I hate political correctness. Bring on the dancing midgets!

  • jack_klugman #138 6 years ago

    While we're on this crusade of pointlessness, why not ban porn mags? And Page 3 girls?

    Well... duh. I'd rather both these things happened, but they're not the matter in question.

  • Furbs #139 6 years ago

    jack doesnt like teh b00bs

  • reality_cheque #140 6 years ago

    Jack: If you ban porn, then the only porn will be illegal porn, which isn't exactly good for it's actors and actresses (I hear some porn stars actually enjoy their job, but if porn became illegal then there'd be no laws on STD tests protecting them from nasty diseases) and bear in mind what without porn you'd not have the internet in it's current form. I like porn, and I like being able to stream movie trailers so I'm glad you don't get your way.

    Out of curiousity, how old are you? You've a very old fashioned point of view, even most feminists have realised porn isn't a bad thing in and of itself, it's the attitudes of people towards it that cause issues - it's only prudes who have issues with it existing at all.

  • jack_klugman #141 6 years ago

    Ban this sick filth!

  • jack_klugman #142 6 years ago

    I'm 22 and, as much as I'd perhaps want to, don't suggest we should ban pornography. In fact I'd like to think of myself as a liberal in many regards so as strongly as I let my views splurge all over the comments section I'm willing to accept others. I just think things like page 3 detract from popular journalism and things like booth babes detract from video games marketing and in both instances dehumanise and objectify the men and women involved. Which can never be a good thing surely? I mean... I know most people can distinguish reality from fantasy and can see that a woman at a convention is paid to attract customers and that the porn star is paid to simulate sexual fantasy. But the more acceptible it becomes the more insidious it feels. I dont want pornography to be acceptible because it is inherently dehumanising. I don't want it to be acceptible to look at people that way. I can never accept that having the right to be filmed fucking some guy for the gratification of a primarily male audience could ever be considered female empowerment.

  • oerhoert #143 6 years ago

    Haven't read the thread, but in general, this is A Very, Very Good Thing. E3 is a business event, not a freakshow. As such, the so-called booth babes is a quite staggering exhibition of bad taste.

    Also: The usefulness and acceptability of porn in general is a whole other topic, innit?

  • Furbs #144 6 years ago

    jack - you say they should be stopped because gaming is now mainstream...have you seen the content of "lifestyle mags" that the "mainstream" get their gaming news from?

    And yes, its a business event, but every convention I've ever seen has boothbabes.

  • jack_klugman #145 6 years ago

    Furbs - The editors of Zoo and Nuts shall die by my hand. Acceptable pornography at its most insidious.

  • Redeye #146 6 years ago

    Mmm, b00bies...

    Er, sorry, *cough*...what were we talking about again?

    /coat

  • Furbs #147 6 years ago

    You're not 22! You're 62!

  • jack_klugman #148 6 years ago

    Furbs - My secret revealed!

  • rinoaMW #149 6 years ago

    "I dont want pornography to be acceptible because it is inherently dehumanising"

    perhaps you should ask that to the porn actors and actresses?

  • oerhoert #150 6 years ago

    <em>And yes, its a business event, but every convention I've ever seen has boothbabes.</em>

    I don't see how "everyone else is doing it" excuses anything.

  • LPXO #151 6 years ago

    jack, if you have such an issue with porn and have such strong feelings about it being dehumanising why dont you write a letter to your priest rather than write paragraphs of meaningless shite on this forum?

  • Furbs #152 6 years ago

    Well as I mentioned earlier, another reason for E3 is to attract outside interest into the games industry, and like it or not, booth babes help this. As I said, you never see much coverage of accountants conventions on the BBC.

  • jack_klugman #153 6 years ago

    rinoaMW - Ask the actors and actresses what?

    LPXO - I'm an atheist.

    Furbs - Meh.
    Edited by 2 at 25/01/06 @ 10:14

  • Furbs #154 6 years ago

    Sorry jack, that last one was meant for oerhört :)

  • jack_klugman #155 6 years ago

    Sowwie! :D

  • #156 6 years ago

    For fuck sake, what is wrong with ye. If you go to a skin bar ya expect to see some tits and ass. If you go to a brothel you expect a whole lot more, and if you go to a games conference you expect to see games.

    If you have good looking chicks and (I suppose) cool looking guys showcasing the games and the consoles, that's to be expected. You can't ban that kinda thing. But I think what ESA is against is crossing that line from putting your best foot forward (shall we say) by having cool/good-looking and articulate/enthusiastic PR people to shameless exploitation of guys who haven't been laid enough to resist their wily charms.

    It's about games people. Seriously. Shut up saying we should have booth babes. It's not that big a deal, but the fact is it does take away some of the prestige of an event like that, although I know a number of you think that it raises it. Even the weather girls these days are hot, but not porn hot. Why? The networks know that they would be alienating 52% of their viewers. Instead, they're usually just good-looking tidy birds...

  • LPXO #157 6 years ago

    Think you missed the point splurge-master jack.

  • #158 6 years ago

    Oh and will a fewe of ye stop accusing people of being religious nuts because they think a games expo should be about games, and not razzle dazzle. Let's not forget, PS2 razzle dazzle killed my beloved Dreamcast!!! And I'll never forgive them...

    / Briste breaks down sobbing, cradling the remains of his DC in his arms tenderly

  • Furbs #159 6 years ago

    I'd prefer my weather girls dressed as Xena though.

  • LPXO #160 6 years ago

    Whats razzle dazzle?

  • chronom4n #161 6 years ago

    i cant believe this! i have seen the booth babes and man they really make it worthwhile. pay the fines i say!

  • rinoaMW #162 6 years ago

    "rinoaMW - Ask the actors and actresses what? "

    If they feel dehumanised by what they do...

    TBH this whole argument is pointless, at the end of the day Booth Girls don't have to do what they do... none of us really like our jobs (well I do, but I’m special :p), and we do what we have to do to pay bills and put food on our tables...

    If letting some geek drool over you for a few hours is a way to do that, then so be it.

    … I only wish I had it so easy :)

    Out of interest, your not a disgruntled Booth Girl, who was replaced by someone prettier are you? :p

  • reality_cheque #163 6 years ago

    I like the way you assume that women couldn't possibly enjoy being paid to have sex. If you like sex, and you like money - it's an awesome combo! Hell, I know enough girls who give it away for free, they'd love a chance to get money for something they love doing.

    Have you ever considered that *maybe* porn becoming more acceptable means it's more likely to lose it's sleazy image and make girl-friendly porn?

  • #164 6 years ago

    Ha ha. I see now. I will retire from this argument because it's obvious that a few of you guys need to get laid more. Ask your girlfriends what they think about it without prejudicing it one way or another, and ye'll probably find the same thing that I found many moons ago:

    Most girls I know think:
    1) That it is not at all degrading for the women who do it;
    2) The guys who go and stare at those chicks like they're scenery are just plain sad;
    3) They don't like the exploitation of those poor divils if they end up paying for something.

    I should also say that they put this in the same category as those chat-line ads, out of pity for whatever poor lonely souls are forced to go there with the false hope of finding love or se or whatever else it was they were looking for...

    I won't post here again, I think that those who don't agree are fairly entrenched in their opinions, as I am in mine. It's fair enough I guess, but I really think ye should talk to a few chicks about it before ye dig that trench...

  • jack_klugman #165 6 years ago

    rinoaMW - I'm more worried about those who watch pornography and the effect it has on them. Surely its more dehumanising from their perspective? If you're regularly viewing men and women in a sexual context or used as marketing tools or whatever, with it widely accepted as fine by the majority surely your outlook towards the people you encounter in your day to day life starts to become skewed?

    LPXO - Okay. Your point being that I should shut up? Great.

  • #166 6 years ago

    Aargh, the italics and bold and shit isn't working. Oh, curse me for a fool.

    By the way, some guy said that chicks enjoy fucking for money. Jesus man, I know two girls that have a think for being watched, but as a general rule, fucking in front of a camera crew (avec gaffer and key grip) on cue is hard work. And the majority of porn actors/actresses aren't living the glamourous lives ya think...

  • LPXO #167 6 years ago

    Briste, maybe you should speak to some girls outside of your inbred village/town/city or whatever it is.

    Also, having sex with goats doesn't count as getting laid. In fact it is illegal and you should seek help immediately.

  • kangarootoo #168 6 years ago

    Wow, still going.

    From Briste,
    "For fuck sake, what is wrong with ye. If you go to a skin bar ya expect to see some tits and ass. If you go to a brothel you expect a whole lot more, and if you go to a games conference you expect to see games."

    Most balanced post so far methinks. Everything has its place.


    "I like the way you assume that women couldn't possibly enjoy being paid to have sex. If you like sex, and you like money - it's an awesome combo!"

    A common misconception (even in porn, and thats a better environment that prostitution). Women that like having sex with handsome men aren't necessarily going to enjoy shagging the sweaty weirdos that make up the majority of their clientel. Did anyone here see the Louie Therou documentary where he visited a brothel? Almost all of the girls there cited a love of sex as a reason to work there, but their faces when greeting their next slimy trick told a whole different stoy.

    Boy are we going off topic here. Interesting to see so many posts though. Obviously a passionate subject.

  • asphaltcowboy #169 6 years ago

    theiceman: "no wonder they say games are for geeks. most of them haven't seen a real naked chick before until E3"

    They have real, naked women at E3? I've definitely gotta get myself a ticket! ;)

  • optimusprym8 #170 6 years ago

    well if they're gonna get fined does it mean that they will go ahead anyway but only have real cheap minging models since most of the budget will go on the fine or will it work the other way and the babes actually will be rather than some rough ol slapper since as they are paying for it, they may as well do a good job?

  • Ayem #171 6 years ago

    As long as they leave the Tokyo Game Show babes alone, its aaaaall good pud \o/

  • Furbs #172 6 years ago

    optimusprym8 - I thought they already used the cheap minging ones? Or was that just ECTS?

  • #173 6 years ago

    @JACK KLUGMAN: Don't mind them Jack, you're in the right...

  • Stickman #174 6 years ago

    You're all weird! I take it some of you have been to E3? You did notice that it wasn't full of weeping, debased young girls being pawed over by 14 year old boys didn't you?

  • #175 6 years ago

    LPXO said " Briste, maybe you should speak to some girls outside of your inbred village/town/city or whatever it is. Also, having sex with goats doesn't count as getting laid. In fact it is illegal and you should seek help immediately."

    @LPXO: Oooh, that is some pretty nasty shit there LPXO. :-( You are obviously a very angry man. :-][ I doubt you'd have the balls to say that to my face, but since this is the internet you're very ballsy indeed. Behave, or I'll track you down and make you read all of the interesting columns in Playboy magazine.

  • reality_cheque #176 6 years ago

    Hell, I'm just basing my opinions on the girl I know who makes porn. Well, used to. I think she's working as a dom at the moment, but as I stopped talking to her because she wouldn't pay me for the massive phone bill she ran up I can't be too sure. (I found pictures of her on the web once, put me off sex for weeks!)

    I once lived with a guy who'd wait until we all went to bed then would stay up for another 2 hours phoning sex lines because he thought as it was in his name we wouldn't find out. Rather stupid if you have work at 7am and your housemates don't go to bed until 3am because they're all planetarion addicts, not to mention the fact it cost him FOUR HUNDRED QUID in one month - so I totally agree about the sex lines. Plus I hate losing half of my magazine to adverts of the bloody things! (although the Viz spoofs are funny as hell... 1-2-1 knitting line anyone? "Ooops, I've dr*pped a st*tch!" roflol)

  • reality_cheque #177 6 years ago

    Briste: Your threat wouldn't take very long, it's like saying I'll make you look at all the photos on the internet of my arse - none exist! (luckily for all of us really, apparently I've got a nice one but that doesn't mean I want pictures of it on tinternet, and I'm pretty sure none of you guys want to see it)

  • Bertie Verified Senior Staff Writer, Eurogamer.net #178 6 years ago

    Do not be so sure!

  • Furbs #179 6 years ago

    reality_cheque - you cant make a statement like that without a link. EG rules.

    Of the girl, not the arse.
    Edited by 1 at 25/01/06 @ 11:03

  • rinoaMW #180 6 years ago

    "rinoaMW - I'm more worried about those who watch pornography and the effect it has on them. Surely its more dehumanising from their perspective? If you're regularly viewing men and women in a sexual context or used as marketing tools or whatever, with it widely accepted as fine by the majority surely your outlook towards the people you encounter in your day to day life starts to become skewed? "

    Ah excuse me; I thought you were talking about the degradation on the actor’s side not the viewer. But correct me if I’m wrong, Does that mean that going to E3 and ogling a couple of girls is going to rip out my soul and throw it irretrievably into the depths of hell?

    I don't think so - and from what you have said, it weakens your entire argument thus far... it seems to me that you have a muddled opinion cobbled from multiple points of view. One minute you are arguing from the girl’s side of things, the next, you’re speaking for the rest of us… that I for one don’t need, as I can decide and fight for whatever _I_ want to see and do…

    From what I’ve read of your comments it seems that you are fighting the inner turmoil within yourself - that of a 22 male who obviously likes the female form as much as the rest of us on one hand, and that brought about by (what I’m guessing) your upbringing on the other (mixed in with a splattering of your own opinions thrown in for good measure).

    Believe it or not, most of us here and E3 attendees aren't the depraved sycophants that you seem to think we are, and looking at booth girls isn't the path down the slippery slopes of sex addiction or otherwise.

    I think that we have drifted away from the main issue here, and I really don’t think that the ESA are doing this for my benefit, to save my, or anyone else’s, soul from damnation…

    At the end of the day, the ESA are deciding what I can and cannot see, and I don’t agree to such censorship…

  • reality_cheque #181 6 years ago

    Furbs: You really think I kept a link to something that put me off sex? :p

    However in the interest of sharing the pain, I'll see if I can find it again... but not when I'm at work.

  • Furbs #182 6 years ago

    \o/

    (Great post btw rinoa)
    Edited by 1 at 25/01/06 @ 11:11

  • jack_klugman #183 6 years ago

    From what I’ve read of your comments it seems that you are fighting the inner turmoil within yourself - that of a 22 male who obviously likes the female form as much as the rest of us on one hand, and that brought about by (what I’m guessing) your upbringing on the other (mixed in with a splattering of your own opinions thrown in for good measure).

    That's probably closer to the truth than I'd like to publically admit.

  • LPXO #184 6 years ago

    Track me down Briste and punish me with your over zealous views on booth babes and the benefits of software piracy!

    Get over it dickhead.
    Edited by 1 at 25/01/06 @ 11:17

  • reality_cheque #185 6 years ago

    Jack: That's probably close to the truth for most people here! :)

  • #186 6 years ago

    @LPXO: Get laid man. Maybe then you'd stop spewing hate...

  • reality_cheque #187 6 years ago

    I reckon it'll take more than a quick screw to make him nice :p

    Maybe electric-shock-therapy?

  • Stickman #188 6 years ago

    Have a wank!

  • #189 6 years ago

    Electro shock would be harsh. I think a ride and a cuddle afterwards would make him nice as pie ;-D

    / Briste prepares own manhood for verbal onslaught

  • #190 6 years ago

    @Stickman: Ha ha! I bet you weren't even following the thread were you...

  • kangarootoo #191 6 years ago

    @LPXO

    If I were a booth babe, and you were at E3, I'd be fearful of ending up in a wheely bin (or two) somewhere. A little less venom will make you happier and long living. I always take solice in the fact that stressed and abusive people will probably die sooner than me.

  • #192 6 years ago

    Well, I can be like that once in a blue moon. But in fairness, it's mostly frustration with life, and with people. Sexual frustration's a different animal altogether... Best of luck scoring LPXO, if ya really need a ride, why not come over here and try it on with the inbred country bumkins you think we have here.

  • Furbs #193 6 years ago

    Heh, nearly 200 comments about booth babes on a gaming website. To an observer who didnt read the posts, talk about stereotype reinforcing :p

  • LPXO #194 6 years ago

    Please refer to my earlier doubts on your definition of getting laid. Im unlikely to take such advice seriously.

    "prepares own manhood for verbal onslaught".

    is that what the kids are calling it these days?

  • #195 6 years ago

    @LPXO: I don't really get what you're saying here man. Tell ya what, let's just call a halt to this nonsense. I don't give a shit if you're hung like a bull, and bedding the finest women to be found in the non-inbred gene-pool. More power to you if you are...

  • Stickman #196 6 years ago

    In-breds FTW! 6 fingers round it makes your cock look bigger.

  • reality_cheque #197 6 years ago

    Stickman: I'll take your word for that...

    Let's all put LXPO in our ignore list, and go back to the mass debate we were having before.

    Editted to insert obvious joke (and remove broken HTML)
    Edited by 2 at 25/01/06 @ 12:44

  • jack_klugman #198 6 years ago

    and go back to the happy debate we were having before.

    Do we have to? ;)

  • reality_cheque #199 6 years ago

    Jack, you gotta admit it's better than insulting each other. If we want to do that, we could just go back to having fanboy wars ;)

  • rinoaMW #200 6 years ago

    /leaves

  • asphaltcowboy #201 6 years ago

    "If we want to do that, we could just go back to having fanboy wars"

    DS FTW!

  • reality_cheque #202 6 years ago

    Megadrive 4evar!

    My console is bigger than your console! (hmm, was that the idea behind the original xbox?)

  • jack_klugman #203 6 years ago

    3DO FTW!

  • Teeth #204 6 years ago

    www.animatedboobies.c om

  • reality_cheque #205 6 years ago

    Ah, good ol' Teeth keeping the conversation mature and sensible :p

  • Teeth #206 6 years ago

    I said my bit earlier :p (girls'll still be there so nothing's changed)