PS3 Euro timing undecided

By Games Industry.biz Published 22 June, 2005

Says boss David Reeves.

Sony Computer Entertainment has not yet reached a decision on when the PlayStation 3 next-generation console will launch in Europe, with SCEE president David Reeves commenting that "you could be in for a surprise."

Reeves was speaking at the first day of the ELSPA International Games Summit in London, where he focused largely on issues affecting the current generation PS2 and the forthcoming PSP handheld - but took the time to answer a question about the schedule for PS3.

Responding to assumptions regarding the timetable for the European launch, Reeves said, "I don't think anyone has given a timing on the next generation in Europe... You could be in for a surprise."

After that hint - either tantalising or throwaway, depending on who you ask - he then deferred the issue back to Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi, saying that he "would like to think" that the platform will launch on Kutaragi's Spring '06 timeline in Europe.

However, Reeves stressed that the decision on when to launch in this territory is one which won't be finalised for some time - and earlier in his keynote, he had told the audience that SCEE actually enjoys being the last territory in the world to get new hardware, suggesting that this is an approach which is unlikely to change.

He also said that for now, SCEE is completely focused on the current generation.

"We're ready for [the next generation]," he said, "but our priority is PlayStation 2 and PlayStation Portable. That's where the money is for the next two years."

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  • Gareth.de #1 7 years ago

    We'll be last again - simple as.

    But I don't care anyway as I won't be buying anything from these arseholes.

  • Wrobel #2 7 years ago

    Christmas 2006

  • Captain Fetid #3 7 years ago

    SCEE actually enjoys being the last territory in the world to get new hardware

    Oh yes, ofcourse.

  • Teeth #4 7 years ago

    Here we go again...

  • Navi #5 7 years ago

    I don't think it really matters when the next generation consoles come out in England. I imagine most people will wait for there to be at least of couple of decent titles on each before buying one. I know it'll be a while before I get any of them, plenty of good stuff still around and to come.
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 10:25

  • Dizzy #6 7 years ago

    Who cares if we are going to be last? 360 will be here soon....

  • the_angry_monkey #7 7 years ago

    How does this guy still have a job after teh PSP thing! I mean dear God - Sony just don't seem to have a clue:

    "He also said that for now, SCEE is completely focused on the current generation.

    "We're ready for [the next generation]," he said, "but our priority is PlayStation 2 and PlayStation Portable. That's where the money is for the next two years."

    Oh really? Is that why PSP got practically no time spent on it during E3 and the Euro launch has been pushed back once again. It looks to me like Sony are focussing solely on the next gen!

  • AndyE #8 7 years ago

    Guys such as Reeves seem to think that gamers don't know what goes on in the US and Japan and how much better they're treated. PS3 = Easter 2007

  • Frogger #9 7 years ago

    The best part is about the possible "surprise" !
    It gives a place to imagination...

  • deaner #10 7 years ago

    I'd like to believe the reports that Sont are strongly considering a single International release date... but I think that may be somewhat idealistic on their part.

    They don't even have the encorporated fully finished technologies yet. They've been sending developers "closest-available-equivalent" builds.

    The safe bet is Christmas 2006. But hopefully that will give us a strong launch line-up and less chance of faulty units (As David Reeves said about the PSP).

    That said, my fingers are still crossed for summer 2006.

  • trevd72 #11 7 years ago

    i predict 9 months after the Jap release.

    "I don't think it really matters when the next generation consoles come out in England. I imagine most people will wait for there to be at least of couple of decent titles on each before buying one."

    My answer to this is that if we got it in Q12006 there would be good enough games to buy in Q2 becasue sont will release it here late it will be Q12007 when it willbe worth buying. the support for ps2 willd drop upon release of ps3. i guess it would be an opportunity to pick up those titles you missed for cheap.

  • Tabasco #12 7 years ago

    'David Reeves commenting that "you could be in for a surprise."'

    Aye - The PS3 will be out even later than you think...

  • Xerx3s #13 7 years ago

    "you could be in for a surprise." - That either means that hes gonna pull a fast one and rush the console to launch with the xb2 (not likely :p) or that he goes like, "hmm, well, we are $ony after all and feel like screwing those dumb twats that call themselfs our fans in europe over again. Lets not release it at all in Europe! Or perhaps 10 years later!" [...] Most likely the latter one.

    "he had told the audience that SCEE actually enjoys being the last territory in the world to get new hardware, suggesting that this is an approach which is unlikely to change." - Yeh shuff that one up yer arse $ony fanboys :p M$ actually seems to care for not screwing the EU gamers over this time (even if it would be an illusion, it would still be better).

  • jellyhead #14 7 years ago

    Sony are in danger of dropping the ball by annoying Europe and giving a hell of a lot of custom to microsoft.
    Dodgy ground Sony, sure they're huge but the bad feelings they're bringing to the surface with this stance will do them no favours. They may get people buying xbox and not waiting for ps3 or psp, especially if they alientate europe even more by making the psp region locked in europe.
    dodgy ground sony, dodgy ground.

  • deaddwarf #15 7 years ago

    hell - i want one as fast as possible!

    Hopefully they wont wait "that" (dec06) long for an european release.

    Already planning on buying myself a HD ready projector this fall.



  • #16 7 years ago

    They can take forever if they like. What you don't know you won't miss, but to be blunt, what you do know about SONY's games you won't miss either.

    Tekken 6001 (10th year anniversary edition) anyone? Anyone... ? C'mon it's nearly as good as Tekken 3 on the PS from 1998... but the graphics.. whoa!? GT 12 then?

    Shit being stuck in this 1990's Playstation legacy sucks worse then being stuck in a 16 bit legacy.
    Edited by 3 at 22/06/05 @ 10:40

  • drumbaby #17 7 years ago

    "But I don't care anyway as I won't be buying anything from these arseholes. "

    Sure they're bothered.

  • drumbaby #18 7 years ago

    "Shit being stuck in this 1990's Playstation legacy sucks worse then being stuck in a 16 bit legacy. "

    Someone stop this guy from having sly allegorical digs at Nintendo, will ya?

    :)

  • #19 7 years ago

    Ken Kutaragi: "Am I bothered? Do I look bothered? Am I bothered though? Does my face look bothered?"'

    The new Vicky Pollard! :D
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 10:42

  • #20 7 years ago

    Someone stop this guy from having sly allegorical digs at Nintendo, will ya?

    You don't remember Nintendo's Mario 64 then? It is quite old now mind. I think it was one of the games that kind of started this 3D revolution that SONY are now exploiting to death with their tired old, unimaginative franchises. In fact they'd learn a thing or two from Nintendo regarding the transition from 16 bit to 3D and apply it to the transistion from 3D to HD as J might say.

    Edited by 2 at 22/06/05 @ 10:53

  • #21 7 years ago

    moo ha ha ha ha!!

    *i told you all so a thousand times!*

  • deaner #22 7 years ago

    I see this article will serve as yet another forum for those wishing to tout their anti-Sony sentiments.

    Or am I not taking into consideration that it's cool and rebellious to take cheap shots at multinational corporations who build a system that isn't the one I might own?

    Just like it's cool and rebellious to write Sony as $ony?

    No, if Hitler didn't say J3W - then there's just no need.

    I'm off to go and slag off Toshiba because my TV is Panasonic.

  • wattoo #23 7 years ago

    "You don't remember Nintendo's Mario 64 then?"

    I do because they brought it out on the ds a few months back instead of putting in the effort to do a new game.

  • drumbaby #24 7 years ago

    "You don't remember Nintendo's Mario 64 then?"

    Yes. I remember it being a popular recurring flogged-to-death theme for a certain company beginning with Nint, and ending in Endo.

    You can't beat new franchises and innovation though, eh?

  • #25 7 years ago

    are you refusing to acknowledge that mario 64 was perhaps the most revolutionary game of the industry?

    amazing how you can ignore simple truths like that.
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 11:12

  • #26 7 years ago

    How about you slag off Toshiba for promising you the greatest TV ever. But it turns out that the TV only shows shit Black 'n' White films from the early 1900's, when Panasonic and Samsungs show colour and will display a range of quality movies.

    I like this first paragraph of this article!!

    "Sony Computer Entertainment has not yet reached a decision on when the PlayStation 3 next-generation console will launch in Europe, with SCEE president David Reeves commenting that "you could be in for a surprise."

    Europe doesn't want you're PS3, so there's really nothing to decide, quite simply don't bother releasing it, and save yourself from debating it. We're all well aware of this surprise, its call the X360, and it's the biggest wake up call SONY have ever seen.

    They need a good ol' slap in the face and I'm glad someone bigger than them, is going to do it!
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 11:14

  • Blerk #27 7 years ago

    Careful, Balor - you're splashing froth all over the page.

  • #28 7 years ago

    Nah, I'm provoking thought! Challenging Ideas, and hoping for some engaging conversation.

    It's not my fault, most of the audience is a simple, unimaginative bunch.
    Edited by 2 at 22/06/05 @ 11:19

  • #29 7 years ago

    yes, microsofts attempt at a worldwide simultaneous release is certainly putting sony to shame.

    thank god for micro$oft!

  • drumbaby #30 7 years ago

    Or rational.

  • max #31 7 years ago

    Given how easy it was to import a PSP, if there is a significant delay in releasing the PS3 in Europe I imagine I'll be importing one damn quickly. Perhaps the "surprise" will be SCEE owning up to being useless and recommending to Europeans that importing is the way to go :)

    Max

  • smelly #32 7 years ago

    why the rush to get one anyhows?

    Like the ps2, chances are the launch titles will be pap.

    I probs wont be getting a new console until at least a year after all their launches, and then i'll pick one for the games i want to play... And pay a LOT less for the console at that point too!

  • drumbaby #33 7 years ago

    Yeah Max...Maybe the surprise is total regional freedom....? That'd be nice.

    Unlikely -- but nice!!

  • Tweakmonkey #34 7 years ago

    What's this? I step into this thread and see so many spoilt brats throwing toys out of their prams. Did Sony actually say when the PS3 will be released anywhere? No. So it's all just supposition then. Who cares? There are plenty of good games to play this gen still.

  • Blerk #35 7 years ago

    I find it terrifically amusing how many people have nailed their flag to a particular machine already, despite there being no hardware, no games and no hard facts about any of them.

    Woe betide anyone who dares to keep an open mind and wait and see how they turn out before making a decision, ooooooooooh no.

    In fact, they've probably dragged Smelly outside and had him shot for talking sense.

  • pinhead #36 7 years ago

    This is to be expected, I predict christmas 2006 for a European release, if that. They have to produce the things in enough numbers for a worldwide release and they are not going to be able to do that for early 2006. Japan and the US will come first. I should have my 360 and revolution UK versions already claiming the real estate under the tv by then.

    Unless Sony can wow me with some real software on the machine that can lure me away. No sign of that in the near term though, unless you game journo's have some cunningly hidden information that you cannot share with us...

  • #37 7 years ago

    Take a Look at this It's only an unsubstantiated rumour, mongered by spong no less. But it's certainly believable!

    It also exemplifies what I'm saying. SONY have nothing in their arsenal and they know it. All they can do to win their fans over, is exploit to death tired old franchises. Shameless.
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 11:51

  • Blerk #38 7 years ago

    When those 'tired old franchises' sell hundreds of thousands of copies it's hardly surprising, is it? Woe betide any company should give consumers "what they want" and also make money in the process. No, they should be forgetting all that and creating loads of new franchises, effectively throwing away any customer loyalty and piss all that 'sure thing' cash away into the ether. That'd be a fantastic idea. In fact, I think I can hear Nintendo locking Mario away forever right now.

  • Tweakmonkey #39 7 years ago

    SONY have nothing in their arsenal and they know it. All they can do to win their fans over, is exploit to death tired old franchises

    Well done Balor - the link says that a new FFVII is being made for PS3. If it said Xbox 360 you'd be pissing your pants with excitement. Anyway, the number of sequels is nothing to do with Sony.

  • deaner #40 7 years ago

    Balor: "How about you slag off Toshiba for promising you the greatest TV ever. But it turns out that the TV only shows shit Black 'n' White films from the early 1900's, when Panasonic and Samsungs show colour and will display a range of quality movies."

    Over-reaction? Exaggeration? Discuss.

    Although people can whimper on about which of the next-gen consoles is technically superior, I don't think anyone could claim that the PS3 won't be a vast improvement on current-gen consoles. I don't think there's any example anywhere of a next-gen unit not being a step forward.

    Personally, I don't think the X360 will achieve the targets set by Microsoft. And I'm certain that the PS3 will sell at least as many units as the PS2.

    Sony's market share is safe as long as no-one is making any technical leaps greater than theirs. And no objective bystander could say that the PS3 looks as though it's going to be another N64.

  • #41 7 years ago

    I'm not surprised Final Fantasy sell loads, It's a good game. And being that good games are hard to find on that system it's understandable that SONY / Square Enix are going to milk it as hard as they can, they're businesses.

    'Woe betide' (LOL! Who speaks like that?)

    But yeah, EA give consumers what they want, I think most their games are shit too! But no doubt they'll forever hammer to death the FIFA, NFL brand name, while doing little to innovate, re-invent, challenge or change gameplay.

    So to be fair stop dogging Nintendo, because their brands do innovate, re-invent, challenge or change gameplay.!

    Edited by 3 at 22/06/05 @ 12:02

  • JHuxley #42 7 years ago

    LeDilettante: Sony may well loose ground with 50%, but they'd still emerge clear winners if those figures are to be believed.

  • deaner #43 7 years ago

    Balor...

    What do Microsoft "have in their arsenal"?

    Granted Halo is good, but tried and tested though they might be, the PlayStation has the likes of the Tekken, Gran Turismo, SOCOM, Pro Evolution Soccer, Metal Gear, Grand Theft Auto and Final Fantasy series'.

    And although other consoles may get some visually tweaked clones of some of these titles, they still remain PlayStation games, designed and built to run on the PlayStation.

    And newer and impressive titles such as Area 51 and God of War will only strengthen the range.

    As for experimental titles, Ico and Fantavision spring immediately to mind.

    I'd like you to correct me if I'm wrong, as I quite like Microsoft's little green blob - but it's certainly untrue to say that it's software range sports more "killer aps" than Sony's black brick.
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 12:06

  • Blerk #44 7 years ago

    Of course, SquareEnix is its own company and is not governed by Sony. If they decide to release a new version of FF7 it would be absolutely incorrect to accuse Sony of "milking their old franchises", because it's a Square product, not a Sony one.

    And I agree with Tweak. If they'd said it was to be on 360 you'd have been running around with it held high like some kind of pissing trophy.

  • teamonkey #45 7 years ago

    Balor: "'Woe betide' (LOL! Who speaks like that?)"

    People who don't use "LOL!" in general conversation.

  • drumbaby #46 7 years ago

    Balor's just pissing around...at least I don't think he can actually be serious with any of his comments.

  • #47 7 years ago

    Who cares if SONY sells more consoles, really Huxley? Stupid argument.

    I just want good games, you know.

    EDIT: People who don't use "LOL!" in general conversation. You try spelling a laugh! Funkin' hard work mate, seeing as laughing isn't a word.
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 12:11

  • drumbaby #48 7 years ago

    Buy a PS2 then...

  • deaner #49 7 years ago

    LeDilettante...

    I'm certain said analysts will be proved wrong. Sony will mantain their stanglehold on the games market into next-gen, because they own the Japanese market.

    The day Famitsu reports that there are more Microsoft units in Japanese homes than there are Sony units, will be a Hell of a day!

    Japan is still where most technical and conceptual videogame development is born, and so it is the strongest and most important market, from which all other markets take their cue.

  • drumbaby #50 7 years ago

    "Funkin' hard work mate"

    Last time I ever heard that said by a normal person was.....never.

  • #51 7 years ago

    And I agree with Tweak. If they'd said it was to be on 360 you'd have been running around with it held high like some kind of pissing trophy.

    Why would I?

    I can play it on PS1 and could play it on PS1 years ago. Same as Microsofts Conker, I dog that too, remakes are lame.

  • drumbaby #52 7 years ago

    "remakes are lame"

    Yet all 3 companies love remaking them.

  • Blerk #53 7 years ago

    What I can't quite grasp, Balor, is why you think Microsoft is any different to Sony in terms of franchise milking. Do you really think you're not going to see more Halo, more Project Gotham, more Ninja Gaiden, etc. etc. on the 360? Of course you are! Yet I don't see any criticism.

    Dead or Alive is one of the Xbox's biggest franchises, yet it's based off an original game that is pushing ten years old. Just like Tekken. It's still the same game, just prettier.

    The reason Microsoft don't release so many franchise rehashes is because they don't have many franchises to fall back on. You really think if Namco offered Microsoft the chance to release Tekken 5 on Xbox they'd pass it up? You don't think they'd kill to get their hands on some of Sony's major best-sellers?

    Of course they would. They're in it for money just like everyone else, and they'll produce what sells. New franchises will always take a back seat to tried and tested updates because it's too damn risky to create new games which might not appeal.

  • #54 7 years ago

    drumbaby you can argue semantics all you like, but in order to realistically believe your not being perceived as a pretentious twat, it's probably best you shut-up until you have any real substance as which to oppose my argument.

    This is a gaming site after-all.

  • Spiral #55 7 years ago

    Why the hell are so many people talking like third party franchises are always going to remain on the console line they're currently on?

  • Master Cheif #56 7 years ago

    Have Sony released (or leaked) any specs as of yet?? I mean its all well and good using the CELL Processor but do we know anything else about the console??

  • #57 7 years ago

    I'll certainly level an amount of criticism at Microsoft should they start exploiting franchises and doing little to evolve gaming, trust me, I'm watching Halo closely which isn't my favourite Xbox franchise at all.

    However, as it stands, Microsoft and it's franchises are in their infancy and while there are only a few real quality titles or many with the potential to be great I cannot criticise Microsoft for milking them, quite simply because they haven't.

    By all accounts, published across many gaming sites, the news is Microsoft appear to be doing the opposite of milking their franchises, they are acquiring new developers, they're collabortaing with new eastern and western partners on brand new exclusive IP's. Of late, there isn't much X360 news as a gamer, I've been perturbed by.

    Except for shaky B/C. :(

    Edited by 3 at 22/06/05 @ 12:39

  • Blerk #58 7 years ago

    But surely Sony are doing exactly the same? I don't remember seeing God of War or Shadow of the Colossus before for instance, and I certainly don't remember seeing an announcement that they'd be coming to any other system. New, high-quality games, and exclusive to the PS2. And that's just two examples from this year off the top of my head. What more do you want?

  • JHuxley #59 7 years ago

    "Who cares if SONY sells more consoles, really Huxley? Stupid argument."

    What? I was replying LeDilettante's post, it has nothing to do with you and your silly little fanboy rants.

  • #60 7 years ago

    But surely Sony are doing exactly the same?

    That's the thing they're not really are they. Nintendo are, so much so they're calling it a revolution! Microsoft are to an extent, and they gave it the dumb moniker 'HD era'.

    Either way both are showing signs of a evolving games and the way we play games. I'll admit concrete details are fairly thin, from both Nintendo and Microsoft right now, but I can look at the services and features the X360 provides aswell as the recently announced partnerships and rumblings of those partners ideas. I can listen to the rumours of Nintendo's new system and it's controls. I can look at their DS and see that there are new ideas and new franchises from top developers being supported.

    What have sony said, Tekken 6, MGS 4, GT 5 etc etc. They've shown nothing that suggest they're not going to give us the same type of games and experience we played 10 years ago.

    Eyedentify was the most interesting thing I saw from SONY press conference at E3. :/
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 12:52

  • spindizzy #61 7 years ago

    Balor - you may well be correct that the percentage of Xbox games that are new franchises is higher than on the PS2, but I'd be very surprised if the *total* number wasn't higher on the PS2. Surely it has way more games?

    The situation may reverse for the next gen, but maybe this is a conversation that can wait a few years, y'know, once we've seen the games and are in a position to judge?

  • the_angry_monkey #62 7 years ago

    I'm not taking cheap shots at Sony here and I will be considering my next gen choice very carefully - however for a machine that Sony are supposedl;y pinning their hopes on the PSP got neatly pushed under the carpet at E3. Sony are the ones hyping the release dates etc.

  • Danj #63 7 years ago

    Ha ha ha, this is the same guy who said all that BS about the PSP the other day! Why on earth anyone would believe him when he says the POS3 could be in for a spring 2006 Euro launch I don't know.

  • Darren #64 7 years ago

    What's the betting that demand for the PS3 will be so 'unexpectedly' high in America and Japan that European units will be diverted to those two territories and we'll get the console at least six months after everyone else?

    I think they are promising an early launch just to deter single console buyers from buying an Xbox 360 instead. After all, it wouldn't be the first time they've told 'porkies' would it...?

  • Tweakmonkey #65 7 years ago

    What have sony said, Tekken 6, MGS 4, GT 5 etc etc. They've shown nothing that suggest they're not going to give us the same type of games and experience we played 10 years ago.

    Balor - you're failing to grasp the fact that these games are not created by Sony themselves. How many times does it have to be said before you realise this?

  • #66 7 years ago

    It doesn't matter who makes the games, they are SONY games for SONY hardware, most people arguing against my point acknowledge that those games are synonymous with SONY. And it's ultimately down to SONY what licences it allows, exploits or decides it doesn't want anymore on its hardware.
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 13:20

  • Blerk #67 7 years ago

    It doesn't matter who makes the games, they are SONY games for SONY hardware

    Half right.

  • teabagger #68 7 years ago

    " How does this guy still have a job after teh PSP thing! I mean dear God - Sony just don't seem to have a clue"

    Ooooh, I dunno. Maybe it's because hardware shortages are not actually anything remotely to do with him?

  • ave #69 7 years ago

    "He also said that for now, SCEE is completely focused on the current generation."
    Then why arent they pushing to get the hundreds of titles published in japan/us, published in europe?

  • drumbaby #70 7 years ago

    "drumbaby you can argue semantics all you like, but in order to realistically believe your not being perceived as a pretentious twat, it's probably best you shut-up until you have any real substance as which to oppose my argument.

    This is a gaming site after-all. "

    Balor, my substance is pretty much in your face, you're just too hell bent on peddling your empty arguments to acknowledge it. All 3 major players are guilty of milking franchises. Msoft are already doing it even though they're comparitively in their infancy. They'll do it more and more with 360, just wait and see. It makes money and establishes the identity of your brand, albeit with a certain sect of gamers.

    Revolution actually living up to its name by avoiding rehashes? Yet again, we'll see, balor, we'll see.

    Btw, I take it you just inferred that I was a twat? Try and keep it civil balor, or people will start to suspect that you're a daft wanker with a small cock and shit for brains.

    :)

  • Tweakmonkey #71 7 years ago

    Balor - many games are updates of old franchises so get over it. This is not unique to Sony, and is something we all love and hate at the same time. It looks to me that the next-gen from Sony and Microsoft is simply an iteration of this gen and possibly the only real innovation will be the next Nintendo hardware. However when you criticise Sony for having too many sequels, you are failing to appreciate that it is simply a product of their previous success. Fast forward 2 years and you'll see many Xbox 360 sequels too...

  • Feanor #72 7 years ago

    "For next gen, I think I'll go X-box again for the very same reason. Don't care for Tekken, MGS, FF, GT and such like."

    I don't own any of those franchises, (though I borrowed and loved FFX), but I do own a bunch of good/fantastic PS2 exclusives: Devil May Cry 1 & 3, Ratchet & Clank 2, Wipeout Fusion, Xenosaga 1 and 2, Kingdom Hearts, Ico, Katamari Damacy, Magic Pengel, Dog's Life and Cookies & Cream. And SSX 3 may as well be PS2 only given how much you have to use the 4 shoulder buttons.

  • Wash #73 7 years ago

    Dont see why everyone cant get all of em with the supposed gap in release dates.

  • Tonka #74 7 years ago

    I think I can hear Nintendo locking Mario away forever right now

    Bowser tried that. It wont work ;)

    /I'm lame and off topic




  • #75 7 years ago

    "Half right."

    C'mon Blerk.

    You know! I know you kind of agree with what I'm saying. I know you're really not interested in Tekken 6 so much, when it's likely to be little different to Tekken 3. I know you're really not interested in Metal Gear Solid 4 so much when it's likely to be little different to Metal Gear Solid 1. I know you're not interested in Gran Turismo 5 so much, when it's likely to be little different to Gran Turismo 1 (with exception to Online play perhaps!).

    I know that you get a little excited when you first hear of console games, like KoTOR, Jade Empire, Fable or Full Spectrum Warrior, they're all refreshing gameplay experiences realised on the xbox platform. Games Like Forza, Ninja Gaiden, Splinter Cell, Halo take exisiting experiences and add a level of quality to them that is unique to the Xbox console, whether it be Live multiplayer, or impressive gameplay, impressive AI, impressive control etc etc.

    We've had announcements of new franchises on the way to Microsoft, to which we can anticipate again, more so than any of the pap I heard from SONY.

    So it puzzles me, why you want to defend sequelitis, franchise explotation, saturated genres regardless of the platform.
    Edited by 2 at 22/06/05 @ 14:11

  • Wash #76 7 years ago

    KOTOR was a great game... ahh teh memories.

    Sequels sell, EA make a killing off of samey near twice yearly releases. It's understandble that these mega companies only see the bottom line.

    Specially when games like Beyond Good & Evil are criminally overlooked. As a gamer tho it has to be natural to want new fresh ideas.

  • Dizzy #77 7 years ago

    >but do we know anything else about the console??

    We know it can display pre-rendered movies MUCH better than the 360.

  • Master Cheif #78 7 years ago

    There are 2 things that makes me pick an Xbox 360 over PS3, Number 1. The use of Windows Media Centre - this tool is what every Xbox owner wanted as it really gets rid of modding ur Xbox to watch films off the HDD. Number 2. Online Service - even though PS3 will have better support i feel that as i already have Xbox Live i dont really want to change service especially as other Xbox Live owners will most likely move over to the 360. Apart from these two points i feel that they will be fairly similar with titles released, especially now as companies cant afford to be exclusive. But tbh we dont really know enough of the PS3 software side (we know the estimated power)

  • drumbaby #79 7 years ago

    " know that you get a little excited when you first hear of console games, like KoTOR, Jade Empire, Fable or Full Spectrum Warrior"

    When are these games coming out then? Ah, but they're already out. One of them has already had a sequel -- KOTOR. The use of present tense for those Xbox games is a little misleading, balor. Intentional? :)

    So I guess we'll be not at all interested in playing their inevitable sequels, if your Sony-centric comparison is to be taken at all seriously? Even if you really loved the original Xbox games that started the franchises?

    "Games Like Forza, Ninja Gaiden, Splinter Cell, Halo take exisiting experiences and add a level of quality to them that is unique to the Xbox console, whether it be Live multiplayer, or impressive gameplay, impressive AI, impressive control etc etc."

    Forza will get a sequel. Its Msoft's stab at a GT sized franchise. Ninja Gaiden too (2). Halo already has one, with yet another due next year. If that's not a rapid rehash schedule I don't know what is. Splinter Cell...well, that's pretty much as sequential as it gets.

    So, you like the Xbox when it does franchises, and when it rehashes those sequels, but you don't like Sony doing the same thing? And you're saying Sony can't do good A.I., good gameplay, etc?

    Surely you're just being crassly ironic, eh, balor. :)
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 14:25

  • Blerk #80 7 years ago

    Balor, you obviously don't know me at all.

    As for 'defending' sequilitis, I didn't. I explained why it happens and that everyone is equally guilty, that doesn't mean I think it's a good thing. I like an original game as much as the next man, and I prefer to see new and innovative ideas to the same old themes rolled out again and again. But to dismiss an entire platform based on the fact that it has some games which you don't like is utterly beyond my comprehension. If you can't find the many, many fantastic games available on Playstation hardware then I counter that you're not looking hard enough. Or at all.

  • #81 7 years ago

    "When are these games coming out then? Ah, but they're already out. One of them has already had a sequel -- KOTOR. The use of present tense for those Xbox games is a little misleading, balor. Intentional? :)"

    Semantics again, tsk tsk. You know what I mean.

    "So I guess we'll be not at all interested in playing their inevitable sequels, if your Sony-centric comparison is to be taken at all seriously? Even if you really loved the original Xbox games that started the franchises?"

    Nope, I think you should air an amount of skepticism with anybodies sequels.

    "Forza will get a sequel. Its Msoft's stab at a GT sized franchise. Ninja Gaiden too (2). Halo already has one, with yet another due next year. If that's not a rapid rehash schedule I don't know what it. Splinter Cell...well, that's pretty much as sequential as it gets."

    They will, and I won't be anticipating them as much as I am anticipating Blue Dragon, Ninety-Nine Nights or Lost Odyssey for example. However, should they evolve or re-invent themselves and improve on their gameplay to a new level of quality unique to the Xbox then by all means they will be desrving of credit. If they're rubbish, if they're a re-hash, if they offer nothing new put a graphics facelife and a few new characters, then toss them to the curb, don't defend them.

    You are allowed to be jaded, cynical even, it's not a crime.

    "So, you like the Xbox when it does franchises, and when it rehashes those sequels, but you don't like Sony doing the same thing? And you're saying Sony can't do good A.I., good gameplay, etc?

    When did I say that?

    Halo 2 single player didn't really change do much to the gameplay, however it's scapegoat shall we say was it live component.

    Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, is a cash-in, I don't even consider it a true sequel, it's an expansion pack. I love Bioware, but they let me down there. :/

    Splinter Cell: Pandora is an admited Xpack of sorts, Chaos Theory the true sequel, and by all accounts its an excellent game.



    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 14:40

  • Bertie Verified Senior Staff Writer, Eurogamer.net #82 7 years ago

    This should give them plenty of time to region lock their systems to prevent importing too

  • #83 7 years ago

    Other than the two games I've named Blerk ( Grand Theft Auto and Final Fantasy) you're right I can't find these great games. :(

    The only rumblings I heard from you, and others on here are, God of War and ICO. What am I missing?

    The Getaway? Primal? PES? Devil May Cry? Onimusha?

    Edited by 2 at 22/06/05 @ 14:55

  • Wash #84 7 years ago

    "I love Bioware, but they let me down there. :/ "

    tbf, it was Lucas Arts there, Obsidian, awesome talent there should have been given the time to create a new engine. Bioware were right to trust them tho, they did as much justice to the sequel as they could in the short amount of time...



  • ave #85 7 years ago

    drumbaby:

    Perhaps Balor's thinking is that many of the PS2's core franchises, have already shown themselves to be suffering from sequilitis(I mean not just getting sequels, but getting sequels that add little, and at times actually make the game worse), whereas we dont know about the xbox's franchises yet.
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 14:54

  • #86 7 years ago

    Balor, again, you argue a convincing point.

    It is sad to see people like drumbaby try and argue a point with 'you have a small cock'.

    the guy should be ashamed of being so stupid.

  • Blerk #87 7 years ago

    What am I missing?

    Well, what about the wonderful Dark Chronicle? Gregory Horror Show? Katamari Damacy? All the Nippon Ichi games? There are dozens, if not hundreds.

    And counting games which began on the PS2 and got ported to other platforms later on you have dozens more - Silent Hill, Project Zero, Timesplitters.

    I don't quite get where you're going dismissing series like Devil May Cry, PES and Onimusha, either. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're not excellent games.

  • smelly #88 7 years ago

    That blerk bloke talks sense.. listen to him...

    Then buy a revolution, as you know it's going to have the best games *lol*.

    (hehe)

  • drumbaby #89 7 years ago

    "Semantics again, tsk tsk. You know what I mean."

    Well actually, semantics aside, I know where you're coming from....an extraordianry pro-Msoft anti-Sony bias. Or maybe just a desire to stir things up. That's how you come across to me. Tsk, tsk.

    "Nope, I think you should air an amount of skepticism with anybodies sequels."

    Certainly, on any platform. But you cannot seriously deny that getting an improved version of a treasured formula/ game isn't sometimes a very exciting thing. Sometimes it yields a disappointing result. Sometimes it results in a great and worthy sequel.


    "They will, and I won't be anticipating them as much as I am anticipating Blue Dragon, Ninety-Nine Nights or Lost Odyssey for example. However, should they evolve or re-invent themselves and improve on their gameplay to a new level of quality unique to the Xbox then by all means they will be desrving of credit. If they're rubbish, if they're a re-hash, if they offer nothing new put a graphics facelife and a few new characters, then toss them to the curb, don't defend them."

    You can be as disappointed by an unknown new gaming property as by a tried and tested sequel that sadly gets bungled. A new game isn't automatically a good game. And no, you haven't said that, but I'm just pre-empting your 'don't put words in my mouth' response.

    Ironically. :p

    "You are allowed to be jaded, cynical even, it's not a crime."

    Good.

    "When did I say that? "

    Overtly you didn't. I haven't seen one positive comment from you re Sony is all, and all anti-sequelitis rhetoric from you has used Sony sequels as examples. So I feel more than justified in assuming that.

    Like I said, I think you're having a little wind up at our expense. :) If I'm wrong...tough shit?

    "Halo 2 single player didn't really change do much to the gameplay, however it's scapegoat shall we say was it live component."

    Why was its live component a scapegoat? You mean its salvation maybe?

    "Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, is a cash-in, I don't even consider it a true sequel, it's an expansion pack. I love Bioware, but they let me down there. :/ "

    See, there's a bad sequel on Xbox then. You get them. It's not a 'crap sequel free zone', that's for sure. No, you didn't say it was...I know. :p

    "Splinter Cell: Pandora is an admited Xpack of sorts, Chaos Theory the true sequel, and by all accounts its an excellent game."

    Played it yet?

    "The only rumblings I heard from you, and others on here are, is God of War and ICO. What am I missing?"

    You really want to know? From my experience Katamari Damacy, Ghosthunter, Rez...No point making a list only for you to tear it down, but you get the idea balor.

    "The Getaway? Primal? PES? Devil May Cry? Onimusha?"

    The last two definitely. DMC 1 is a landmark action title. DMC 2 dropped the ball, but DMC 3 rescued the franchise. Onimusha has gone from strength to strength with each iteration. Truly the way a series should be handled. Whether you personally like or dislike the games is another matter. The thing is that these sequels are very dear to a lot of gamers hearts, and are as anticipated as a sequential book or movie or even a new CD by an established recording artist. New stuff is always good, but can disappoint. Old familiar stuff is sometimes a nice reliable comfort that can elate...or again, disappoint.

    You need the two.
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 15:15

  • drumbaby #90 7 years ago

    "Perhaps Balor's thinking is that many of the PS2's core franchises, have already shown themselves to be suffering from sequilitis(I mean not just getting sequels, but getting sequels that add little, and at times actually make the game worse), whereas we dont know about the xbox's franchises yet. "

    ave, how could we?

    It's not been around long enough to build a back catalogue like Sony's. Sequels lose something sometimes. Sometimes they gain. On Xbox...KOTOR, Halo 2, etc. Up and down in quality. same thing with PS2 properties. When you've been around as long and sired as many franchises obviously you've got 'further to fall' in that respect.

    Same thing on Ninty systems, with their love of The Rehash (tm).

    Balor tries his hardest to make it sound like Sony are the most guilty party. When quite clearly they're not.

  • Feanor #91 7 years ago

    "I'd rather play Ninja Gaiden, Halo, KUF, Forza, DeusEx, Fable, etc. But what does it for me maybe different from what does it for you, and that's all good. 'cos at the end of the day, that's what should motivate you in buying this or that machine, not some buffed up specs sheet. You'll be happy to buy a PS3, I'll be happy to buy a 360. (and it's almost a rhyme)."

    Well, I own an Xbox, have played both Halos and I'll be getting Ninja Gaiden Black. It's a bit odd that you have no interest in Devil May Cry 3 if you liked Ninja Gaiden so much...

    And I will be getting a 360 and a PS3 eventually. Both systems are going to have exclusives that I'll really want to play.

  • smelly #92 7 years ago

    "Same thing on Ninty systems, with their love of The Rehash "

    There's a MAJOR difference between "Rehash" and "Reinvent".

  • drumbaby #93 7 years ago

    There sure is. A rehash is a rehash. A reinvent is a reinvent, right?

    So?

  • ave #94 7 years ago

    Yes smelly, "Nintendo: RULER OF THE SEQUELS, SAVIOUR OF THE VIDEOGAMERS, KING OF INNOVATION"

    Look at me, im rolling my fucking eyes heavenward.

  • smelly #95 7 years ago

    Some fanboys just really dont "GET IT" do they?

  • ave #96 7 years ago

    Yes, it's quite obvious you dont.

    Hey, what exactly are we meant to be fanboys of again?
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 15:30

  • drumbaby #97 7 years ago

    Games and corporations and lumps of games-playing plastic that he doesn't like I guess.

  • #98 7 years ago

    "Certainly, on any platform. But you cannot seriously deny that getting an improved version of a treasured formula/ game isn't sometimes a very exciting thing. Sometimes it yields a disappointing result. Sometimes it results in a great and worthy sequel."

    I didn't deny, I acknowledged that some sequels can be credited. The fifth, sixth, seventh iteration though?

    "You can be as disappointed by an unknown new gaming property as by a tried and tested sequel that sadly gets bungled. A new game isn't automatically a good game. And no, you haven't said that, but I'm just pre-empting your 'don't put words in my mouth' response.

    Right. But I still anticipate new, interesting IP's more so than the fifth iteration of a games that has never changed. Ironically.

    "Overtly you didn't. I haven't seen one positive comment from you re Sony is all, and all anti-sequelitis rhetoric from you has used Sony sequels as examples. So I feel more than justified in assuming that.

    Liar! I said GTA and FF are great games. I said Eyedentify was the most interesting thing from SONY I saw at their E3 press conference. I said that the Playstation was an excellent console when SONY harness new ideas, when great games where being realised on it, even new genres where being imagined. They're positive comments.

    "Why was its live component a scapegoat? You mean its salvation maybe? "

    Perhaps.

    "See, there's a bad sequel on Xbox then. You get them. It's not a 'crap sequel free zone', that's for sure. No, you didn't say it was...I know. :p

    Right! I ain't gonna get the hump though and start hurling whimsical retorts. I'll admit that a franchise is old or a sequel is shit. I certainly won't adopt a dismissive narrow-minded attitude and defend it because it's business safe.

    Played it yet?

    Nope, which is why I said by all accounts. I will be getting the game and playing soon though. As you probably know playing videogames is expensive and time consuming hobby, we have to be selective sometimes.

    "You really want to know? From my experience Katamari Damacy, Ghosthunter, Rez...No point making a list only for you to tear it down, but you get the idea balor."

    Katamari is an NTSC game, if it ever graces our shores, I'll be honest, i'll buy it to see what the fuss is about.

    Ghosthunter, I've never heard of, but cheers for teh heads up, I'll look into it.

    Rez is Dreamcast game, and yes it alright, not quality though. :p

    Bored now.


    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 15:37

  • drumbaby #99 7 years ago

    Try Monster Hunter. You may like it. I love it to bits. Capcom make owning a PS2 a very good thing...most of the time.

    Sly Cooper 1 AND 2. Both utterly brillliant platform adventure games that blur the line between kiddy/ adult entertainment. SCEA, once again.

    Ratchet and Clank. Jak and Daxter. Sony exclusive. Very highly regarded.

    If you don't try you'll never know.

  • The-Bodybuilder #100 7 years ago

    >"You could be in for a suprise".

    Q1 2007. SUPRISE.


    >"but our priority is...PlayStation Portable"

    SIC!

  • drumbaby #101 7 years ago

    "Right! I ain't gonna get the hump though and start hurling whimsical retorts."

    Like 'pretentious twat'?

    Mmmm...okay balor, whatever.

  • #102 7 years ago

    I only implied you were being a pretentious twat, but I feel it was deserved on the strength of your comments prior. It appears that you took the message on board and started to show some of that rationality you was on about and with that your arguements became all that little more meaningful!

    Sorry if I offended, as I said I only wanted to provoke thought, challenge ideas.



    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 15:50

  • #103 7 years ago

    "Nintendo: RULER OF THE SEQUELS, SAVIOUR OF THE VIDEOGAMERS, KING OF INNOVATION"

    Steady!

    I think the fact that Nintendo recognises the limitations of technology is evidence of their maturity and far-sightedness. As the oft-quoted saying goes: Nintendo is, first and foremost, a gaming company not a technology company.

    There was a time when arcade games cost 10p or 20p in the UK at most. Along came Sega Enterprises Ltd, pushing the technology envelope ever higher and higher. The cost of playing an arcade game climbed ever higher and higher - 50p, £1.00, and then £2.00. The cost of ever increasing technology eventually led Sega to a creative and technological cul-de-sac - and partly contributed to the company exiting the hardware business entirely.

    Nintendo exited the arcade business before this happened - by fate or by design I don't know but they just did.

    Now fast forward to the coming generation: is Sony, the great Japanese tech company, and now Microsoft, leading their flock to a creative and technological dead-end?

    What Nintendo are doing is trying to break out of that vicious tech cycle and try something different. If you don’t try, you’ll never succeed. Sometimes they succeed and sometimes not. I’ll give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt. They do innovate. Try something new. Something different.

    Good luck to them, I say. I play h/held gaming quite a lot (I find it more accessible) but I've barely touched a TV console in a long, long time.

  • #104 7 years ago

    they did?

  • drumbaby #105 7 years ago

    "I only implied you were being a pretentious twat, but I feel it was deserved on the strength of your comments prior. It appears that you took the message on board and started to show some of that rationality you was on about and with that your arguements became all that little more meaningful! "

    No, they only became longer, because you didn't seem to appreciate/ understand my brevity. Implying I was being and saying I was being are the same thing...in both cases you should probably desist from being a prick.

    :)

  • ave #106 7 years ago

    "What Nintendo are doing is trying to break out of that vicious tech cycle and try something different."
    Yes, spend less on R&D, and charge exorbitant prices for 15 year old games.

    AMAZING.

    "I’ll give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt. They do innovate. Try something new. Something different."
    So do most companies - even EA.

  • #107 7 years ago

    "Balor's just pissing around...at least I don't think he can actually be serious with any of his comments."

    "Buy a PS2 then... "

    "Last time I ever heard that said by a normal person was.....never."

    Nope I didn't appreciate guff like that, it was pointless, it wasn't in relation to the actual argument, and to be honest, some of it was slightly offensive no matter how long the posts were.

    I don't think I was wrong to imply you were being a pretentious twat, in that instance. I did apologised for it though. Prick!

  • drumbaby #108 7 years ago

    "Balor's just pissing around...at least I don't think he can actually be serious with any of his comments."

    Well, you were just stirring stuff up, let's be honest now.

    "Buy a PS2 then... "

    Good advice though, considering you sound like you don't even own the console from your total ignorance of key AAA Sony titles. You said you wanted to play some good games. Well, were you serious about that? It's only an insult if you're a biased fanboy. Or are you as open minded as you say you are?

    "Last time I ever heard that said by a normal person was.....never."

    Just to put an end to your tedious pedantry re people's individual ways of expressing themselves on a forum. By illustrating your hypocrisy.

    "Nope I didn't appreciate guff like that, it was pointless, it wasn't in relation to the actual argument, and to be honest, some of it was slightly offensive no matter how long the posts were. "

    You come on and offer to enlighten us with your skewed twaddle and expect an irony free ride? LOL...okay. This is EG, not 'an audience with balor'. :)

    "I don't think I was wrong to imply you were being a pretentious twat, in that instance. I did apologised for it though. Prick! "

    Hardly an apology, balor. More of a condescending reinforcing of your previous assertion: 'Sorry you were a twat, but me rightfuly calling you so has done the job and modified your twattish behaviour'.

    Now, bugger off.

    /tries to pull hook out of cheek

  • Teeth #109 7 years ago

    I think we should ban the word "fanboy" as it's become a nonsense word.

  • captain-future #110 7 years ago

    "I don't think anyone has given a timing on the next generation in Europe... You could be in for a surprise."

    Should this raise my anticipation or is this just PR pep-talk?

    IMHO they will release PS3 at least with the same delay as PSP in Europe and guess what I don't care because:

    a) I will have imported a console

    b) I still will play current-gen

    c) I don't buy PS3

  • Spiral #111 7 years ago

    "Should this raise my anticipation or is this just PR pep-talk?"

    "You could be in for a suprise" = "You could wake up tomorrow morning next to Angelina Jolie". Admittedly, one of those is far more likely than the other.

    Hmmm, Jolie...

  • #112 7 years ago

    well, the thing is, Balor is right on the money.

    sony are up shit creek without a paddle. with a projected market reduction of 30% for next gen, the psp underperforming in japan (their home market), the 360 being the developers favoured platform, defective CELL processors, fraudulent 'in game' killzone footage, almost no exclusive killer aps, a high price tag, delays, legal battles wrecking their fanbase in Europe, and a legal challenge from george foreman over the use of his 'grill' design in the ps3.

    EDIT: no online strategy from sony either!

    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 16:48

  • Spiral #113 7 years ago

    Up shit creek is pushing it. However, were I about to face the biggest threat to my market dominance in ten years I would try and not piss off an entire continent by repeatedly telling them that they should be lucky they're treated like shit.

  • Derblington #114 7 years ago

    You're presumiong some of those things arnie. Regardless they'll still "win" next gen.

    edit: I can't see the PSP thing at the mo really hurting their sales. the vast majority of people who will buy the machine won't have read these news articles in any shape or form. Too many people seem to think that we are the peole that keep these companies afloat. It's the mass public that have done it, and they'll keep them there.
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 16:53

  • drumbaby #115 7 years ago

    Settling for that is better than settling for total annihilation :)

  • teabagger #116 7 years ago

    Good. God.

    Buy it or don't buy it.

    Either way, change the fookin' record guys.

  • #117 7 years ago

    I don't think you really have been listening to what I've had to say, drumbaby.

    I think that had you taken on board what I had said and argued the point rationally instead of dismissing everything in an instant or resorting to childish retorts then you perhaps would of understood my argument better.

    I think you should get it out of your head that my basis for me being here is to discredit SONY or flare up into a rant against the company to stir up trouble or take the piss and perhaps review my posts again. I've said more than once, what I was here for.

    I do own a PS2, I'm currently mid-way through FFX-2.

    Painstakingly recently completed Primal, Good story with great voice acting, aggravating gameplay though. :D

    "Bugger off", I'm gone, you peeps are no fun!


    EDIT: Arnie can see it, as can plenty others. SONY have been given a wake up call, a big slap in the face. They better do something about it, they better do something good. They should do something about it and they need to do it soon!
    Edited by 2 at 22/06/05 @ 17:06

  • Derblington #118 7 years ago

    What was their slap in the face?

  • #119 7 years ago

    " What was their slap in the face?"

    Competition, serious competition.

  • Teeth #120 7 years ago

    Anyone who's agreeing with arnieofdarkness has my profound sympathies :)

  • Derblington #121 7 years ago

    But they don't really seem worried about the competition. Obviously they are to some extent but not the amount you're suggesting.

  • smelly #122 7 years ago

    Lol.. the only people that seem to worry about the competition are the fangirls.

    I *STILL* dont see why on earth people have pledged an alegiance to any machine without actually seeing any complete games on any of them!

    Makes me giggle every time..

  • Kafeen #123 7 years ago

    You can always import one. Sony love it when you do that.

  • Derblington #124 7 years ago

    No, I just think the guy's a nutter :)

    He has a lot of faith in his product and high hopes. Sony are in a much better position than MS at the mo. They're going to get to see the competition for a whole year + before they release. They've got time and money to make a kick arse machine to wipe the floor with the 360 (not that I think they will and I don't want them to). They have a loyal fanbase that will increase with the PSP.

    MS are still playing catch up. They will continue to be in that position for the next gen. All of their cards will be on the table come christmas. Next year they'll have a hard time because the 360 will be old news. Too many people think the 360 is too early. We'll see.
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 17:41

  • JHuxley #125 7 years ago

    Balor, you spout ignorant comments like "SONY have nothing in their arsenal and they know it. All they can do to win their fans over, is exploit to death tired old franchises. Shameless" and expect people to think of you as a well reasoned, rational person?

    "I *STILL* dont see why on earth people have pledged an alegiance to any machine without actually seeing any complete games on any of them!"

    Indeed. The PS3 launch line-up hasn't even been announced yet people seem keen to debunk it as a sequel-riddled waste of money.

  • Derblington #126 7 years ago

    The PSP may not have done what's expected but it's still selling, and once more titles are released and the cross compatibility kicks in with the PS2 I think it'll lift a bit more. Plus the EU launch which will be popular no matter how much they fuck us about. Remember the majority don't know that they are.

    The 360 has a year to really gain some ground but I don't think it'll be enough. A lot of gamers will buy one but, possibly, the same amount if not more won't because it's arrived too early. The PS2 is still kicking out games, and the best games of it's life, and the PSP will take some focus off of the launch. Once the price drops will people think 'I'll get one now coz it's cheaper and there are 10 games I want' or will they hold out and put that money towards the PS3, the new toy?

    There are too many factors we don't know to put money on it just yet, but the things people are saying about Sony just aren't true in the bigger picture. Fucking Europe over won't damage them next gen, once you get a shiny new toy in your paws you forget the bad stuff.
    Edited by 1 at 22/06/05 @ 18:07

  • deaddwarf #127 7 years ago

    arnie still here?

  • belziah #128 7 years ago

    he's off munchin'

  • ProfessorLesser #129 7 years ago

    Jesus christ, this thread grew quickly.

    And surely laughing IS a word, Balor? You did a funkin' good job of writing it, anyways.

  • dj-danger #130 7 years ago

    I see this article will serve as yet another forum for those wishing to tout their anti-Sony sentiments.

    Or am I not taking into consideration that it's cool and rebellious to take cheap shots at multinational corporations who build a system that isn't the one I might own?

    Just like it's cool and rebellious to write Sony as $ony?

    No, if Hitler didn't say J3W - then there's just no need.

    I'm off to go and slag off Toshiba because my TV is Panasonic.


    Interesting metaphors. How about another, why are $ony behaving like Nazi's shooting every 10th importer?

  • #131 7 years ago

    nice to see sony getting sued as always, even if it is the movie division

    Marvel Enterprises and 20th Century Fox sue over Zoom movie due to striking similarities with the X-Men films.

    According to Variety 20th Century Fox and partner Marvel Enterprises have filed suit against Sony Pictures Entertainment and Revolution Studios, alleging that their upcoming Zoom is confusingly similar to "X-Men."

    Variety adds the complaint comes before Zoom, a comedy starring Tim Allen has even started production.

    Perhaps most disturbing to Fox, though, is Sony/Revolution's decision to release "Zoom" next May 12, just two weeks before "X3" comes out. Sony/Revolution were previously planning to release "Zoom" August 2006, but moved the date to May a week after Fox announced its bow date for "X3."

    In an unusual move for a copyright infringement suit, Fox and Marvel are making the release date a key part of the complaint.

    " 'Zoom's' release in May 2006 immediately before the release of 'X3' (or any release in proximity to the release of 'X3') is an unfair attempt by Sony and Revolution to manipulate the market and trade off the time, energy, resources and effort Marvel have invested in 'X-Men,' " the lawsuit states.

    Lawsuit notes that the graphic novel upon which the film is based, "Zoom's Academy for the Super Gifted," by Jason Lethcoe was not strikingly similar to "X-Men," but claims that the script has become a near-copy.

    is there no originality left in the whole company?

  • 3william56 #132 7 years ago

    Jeez Arnie, if you're going to be a fanboy, at least get your sums right. 70% to 50% is a 20% drop last time I checked. But at least it's of consistent accuracy to the rest of your froth.

    Compared to what Sony did to Nintendo and Sega (about 1st place 60% to 3rd place 20%, and 40% to zero respectively), it hardly qualifies as a disaster even if true. But the gi article is ONE company's speculation based on, well, nothing but talk. Ask a pro-Sony company, and they say Sony'll make 80% next time around. All meaningless until next year, when we'll find out for real.

    And if you'll engage your brain a few seconds before your keyboard finger, you might suss that Zoom is a parody of X Men and The Incredibles (and probably Batman, F4, Spidey and the rest) (http://www.imdb. com/title/tt0383060/) , so gee, they've got similar plotlines. Who'da thunk it? Like Hot Shots was the same as Top Gun. And Airplane was Airport. etc. etc.

    Christ, kid, back to pre-school. All the next Gen machines are going to be good. All are going to have some great games, choose any or all based on what you like. It's no big deal.



  • #133 7 years ago

    yet more faux insulting eurogamer drivel.

    keep up the good work. head on over to High Calibre if you fancy a proper debate without insults.

    if the best you can come up with is that i was 10% out with 1 of my many points (i'm sure it gives or takes a percentage point or two anyway, so i could be bang on the money or even further out), you'll get eaten alive son.

    nothing changes the fact that sony are losing their grip on the market, by xmas, it will be so obvious even Eurogamer will have to run the story.
    Edited by 2 at 23/06/05 @ 08:45

  • Genji #134 7 years ago

    So... why are you here?

  • #135 7 years ago

    where better to (attempt a mature) debate than in a room full of people who disagree?

    if only there was more of a constructive debate than there was playground name calling.

  • Blerk #136 7 years ago

    I do own a PS2, I'm currently mid-way through FFX-2.

    Yeeowch, Balor. You say there's nothing good on the PS2 and yet you're sitting there happily playing a complete dog-turd of a game? ;-)

  • deaner #137 7 years ago

    My final two cents...

    Cent #1: It is entirely possible that there will be delays in the PS3 launch, and that it may not be as technically superior to the X360 as people anticipate, and that it may not sport any Killer App's in the launch line-up. But you can be damn sure that on launch day it will sell more units across Japan than the X360 will have sold up to that point. And as I've said before, the world videogames market is born in the Japanese videogames market. And western companies hold little or no sway there. And so, the X360 will never lead the world videogames market.

    Cent #2: Delays to a concole launch have never harmed sales. In the long term, they have only strengthened them. On condition that the delays aren't +2 years.

  • drumbaby #138 7 years ago

    "Yeeowch, Balor. You say there's nothing good on the PS2 and yet you're sitting there happily playing a complete dog-turd of a game?"

    LOL!! How could someone with supposedly such a wise gaming head on his/her shoulders get it so damn wrong?

    :)

  • bloke #139 7 years ago

    The final session of the second day of the conf was a small panel fielding questions.

    Christmas 2006 for Europe was the opinion expressed for PS3 launch in Europe.

    Considering part of Mr Reeves presentation (which was surprisingly defensive and slightly petulant considering IMHO) was "Why Europe comes third and why we at SCEE like it that way" - (really, it was called something like that) - I can't find a compelling arguement against that view at this point.

  • teabagger #140 7 years ago

    yeah, no word on our christmas present either dammit

  • #141 7 years ago

    That's Irony!

    I've played lots of PS2 games that haven't been very good, I've been trying to tell that all through this thread! Welcome to acknowledgement, at last!

    Dog turd, though? It's hardly any different to FFX. Walk 5 seconds, do a random encounter, rinse, reapeat until cut-scene. :D

  • Spiral #142 7 years ago

    And as I've said before, the world videogames market is born in the Japanese videogames market. And western companies hold little or no sway there. And so, the X360 will never lead the world videogames market.

    Is this true any more? If this were the case then the XBox would have been buried in all three territories, it wasn't. The biggest selling game this generation was created by western developers. The biggest publisher in the west (even maybe the world?) for the last god knows how many years is EA. There are plenty of very popular franchises here in the west that weren't created in Japan. I don't think it's accurate to say Japan is the dominant market in video games any more.

  • #143 7 years ago

    i sold my PS2 due to the amount of naff games on it.

    MGS2 finally nailed the sale though, the console needed some quality titles, and they were too few and far between for me.

  • Blerk #144 7 years ago

    You do realise that MGS2 was released in 2001 don't you, arnie? There have been quite a few other games released since then.

  • #145 7 years ago

    yeah and i haven't missed out on many good ones.

    all hype, no substance.

    remember killzone the halo killer?

  • Derblington #146 7 years ago

    The situation has reversed now though, the Xbox has completely dried up on the game front, whereas the PS2 is throwing them out.

  • Blerk #147 7 years ago

    Killzone was only ever going to be good if you bought the hype, arnie. There are plenty of unhyped, unheralded classics if you bother to look. Stop reading IGN and start talking to actual people.

  • Tommyc352 #148 7 years ago

    /twiddles thumbs

    2006 then, and though its apparantly good to wait, so all the bugs are fixed etc - we will still get screwed on the price - something that wont be a suprise to anybody

  • #149 7 years ago

    i never read ign.

    there are still a few xbox titles im looking forward to before the 360 (which ain't far away chaps).

    far cry (that game the PS2 couldn't handle), half life 2 (same again), conker, midway...

    a mix of pc and new titles, but i prefer console to pc anyway, so i'm happy.

    god of war is the big PS2 title right?

  • Derblington #150 7 years ago

    GoW is the big title of next week, yeah.

    And I don't see any new titles in list there, matey.
    Edited by 1 at 23/06/05 @ 11:25

  • Carrybagma #151 7 years ago

    The corporate weasel squeals.
    The posters erupt.
    The flames rise!

  • bloke #152 7 years ago

    Tommyc352 - re price another detailed slide in Mr Reeves defensive presentation was to explain how Sony actually make less margin per PS2 sold in Europe compared to the USA.

    I have to tell you that I think this is probably true.

  • #153 7 years ago

    I challenged you for SONY's first party IP's. All you had for me was ICO, hardly a killer app. We'll reserve judgement on God of War for now, it'll probably be good, but only as good a generic hack 'n' slash pap can be!

    I challenged you for SONY's exclusives. Final Fantasy and the semi-exclsuive GTA were a given. All you had for me was Ghosthunter, Dark Chronicle, Gregory Horror Show, Katamari Damacy (NTSC game only) Disgaea and Phantom Brave.

    With exception to the two games I've acknowledge as killer apps. The rest are obscure games, they're not killer apps, I dare say that they're not even that great (Katamari needs to be released over here though), if people can only buy one console next gen, do you think those games will decide it for them?

    The future of games is not on a SONY machine, the future of games started with the great games on Xbox, it will escalate with even greater games and a greater way to enjoy those games on the Xbox360.

    I think my work is done here. :D

    P.S Watch Nintendo aswell, because the DS is an excellent little machine! I really hope that Nintendo are returning to form. And come the Revolution I hope they provide us with the same kind of excellence they're starting to display on the DS.

    "Save your energy for the winter!"
    Edited by 3 at 23/06/05 @ 12:32

  • Blerk #154 7 years ago

    You forgot Gran Turismo. That tends to sell 'a few' Playstations.

    Let's see your list of Microsoft first-party 'killer apps', then. Here's mine:

    1. Halo
    2. Halo 2

  • Tweakmonkey #155 7 years ago

    I think that without Halo, the Xbox would have sunk without trace. Microsoft were incredibly lucky with that one.

  • Derblington #156 7 years ago

    Xbox:
    Halo
    Ninja Gaiden
    Mech Assault
    PGR
    Fable
    KotoR
    Jade Empire
    Forza
    Riddick
    DOA
    Otogi

    PS:
    DMC
    GT
    ICO
    SotC
    GoW
    Okami
    Onimusha
    Soul Calibur (now exclusive)
    MGS (3 is exclusive)
    Genji
    Tekken
    Sly
    Ratchet
    Jak & Daxter
    Katamari
    Haunting Ground
    FF
    Numerous other JRPG's

    I can't be arsed to keep going. The future of gaming very much started with a Sony machine - the PS1 - they got to the top for a reason. I hope MS continue to get market share but they won't "win" the next gen.

    edit: MS did good with Live! but it's still a small percentage and not as popular as the PS equivalent.
    And if choice of games is going to sell the next gen, then from past experience people will go with Sony as they have a much bigger choice.

    And if you're going to discount GoW as hack'n'slash pap you can remove Ninja Gaiden from the Xbox list too, and that's possibly the second best game on the system, under Halo.

    And most of the Xbox games above have been released on the PC, how many of the PS exclusives listed have?
    Edited by 3 at 23/06/05 @ 13:47

  • #157 7 years ago

    you think the PS1 began the future of gaming?

    ha ha ha!!!

    the N64 did that!

  • Derblington #158 7 years ago

    In terms of delivering gaming to the masses and removing the need for geek, yes, the PS1 did that.
    Edited by 1 at 23/06/05 @ 15:58

  • deaner #159 7 years ago

    No-one can deny that the PS1 (or PSX and it was once called - but then that became something else) made gaming incredibly more main-stream than it had ever been before.

    A big part of that was Gran Turismo.

    The first game with the real "wow" effect.

  • #160 7 years ago

    i'm not talking about creating the dumbass casual gamer that sony love so much, i'm talking about 3D innovation.

    N64 all the way!

  • Derblington #161 7 years ago

    Yes, but arnie, 3D is now and is only a small part of games as a medium. If 3D is the future gaming then it's not the 360 is it, it's every console and that's not what Balor was getting at.

  • Tweakmonkey #162 7 years ago

    Arnie you're talking nonsense again - any real gamer will appreciate there have been many innovative games on the Sony platform. Real gamers appreciate games no matter what the console. You are just so blinded by your fanboyism that you can't see that.
    Edited by 1 at 23/06/05 @ 16:32

  • ProfessorLesser #163 7 years ago

    I want to ignore Arnie, Balor and that other guy that got on my tits a while ago, I forget who...

    But something's stopping me.

  • #164 7 years ago

    fanboyism.

    i love it. i criticise nintendo, i'm a ninty hater, i criticise microsoft, i'm an xbox hater, and now, i'm a sony hater!

    actually i am completely unimpressed with the PS2, and the PS3 looks like more of the same.

    but you guys should criticise more than you insult, it looks really bad on you.

  • Derblington #165 7 years ago

    You do plenty of insulting too arnie, eg: "you think the PS1 started the future of gaming? ha ha ha!"

    That's not gently pointing out that you disagree or that I'm wrong, you're trying to make me look stupid, yet you always point out when other people insult you. Insults and bullshit are rife on your forum too, I have actually been back a few times without posting.

    Just except you'll be called names when you try to defend one console over the next because in itself, that's stupid.

  • Tweakmonkey #166 7 years ago

    i love it. i criticise nintendo, i'm a ninty hater, i criticise microsoft, i'm an xbox hater, and now, i'm a sony hater!

    Be critical yes, but don't be a trolling Xbox fanboy - it just pisses people off.

  • captain-future #167 7 years ago

    fanboiz are just extremists... who gives a damn about their opinions.

    I'll bet no PS3 release in Europe before Q4 / 2006, Sony just likes to see how many people will import ;)
    Edited by 1 at 23/06/05 @ 19:03

  • #168 7 years ago

    i know you've been back without posting, i'm the admin, i can see when you're logged in.

    it's remarkable that my laughing upsets you when you are as insulting as you are.

    hypocrisy is rife...

  • Derblington #169 7 years ago

    I'm not upset at all, just pointing out the facts.

    And I haven't insulted you since I first came to High Calibur, and I apologised and explained it then.

  • teabagger #170 7 years ago

    " Though they [sony] were busy working on the graphics card which will be far superior than what MS's 360 has to offer :o)"

    Eh? you mean the PS3 graphics solution provided by NVidea? compared to 360s ATI? What are you going on about?

  • #171 7 years ago

    http://s11.invisionfree.com/H igh_Calibre/index.php?showtopic=1390&st=0&#entry305472
    high calibre members, there is an interesting debate awaiting you...

  • deaner #172 7 years ago

    teabagger: "Eh? you mean the PS3 graphics solution provided by NVidea? compared to 360s ATI? What are you going on about?"

    It's no secret that NVidea overtook ATI as the leading graphics hardware designer a long time ago.

  • #173 7 years ago

    Fixed Link! :)

  • Blerk #174 7 years ago

    Balor, I think the difference between you and most of us is that the majority of people on here don't care which machine is more powerful. It doesn't matter. You buy consoles because they have games you want to play, not because of the hardware spec.

    Well... normal people do.