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Wii News by Games Industry.biz

20 November, 2006

Nintendo of Canada exec Pierre-Paul Trépanier has told our sister site GamesIndustry.biz that the company is already raking in the cash following yesterday's launch of the Wii.

"We make a profit on the system itself," Trépanier said. "Unlike our competitors, we don’t have ulterior motives; we’re not in it to sell HD TVs, or to become the operating system in the living room or anything like that.

"We’re in the gaming business, and we have to make money from everything we sell - and we are making money from day one on the Wii."

According to Trépanier, Nintendo is still on track to meet shipment targets for the Wii - and he confirmed that North America will get the lion's share.

"We have 4 million units ready to go, which is something our competitors have struggled with... Historically a bit more than half of our worldwide shipment would go to North America, I think that’s probably a good estimate."

But despite the healthy stock supply, Trépanier conceded, the Wii is still likely to sell out this Christmas: "We do estimate there will be supply issues within the first few weeks."

However, he continued, "We’re receiving a constant supply. Every week there is a flow of product to the marketplace. The extremely complex and sophisticated supply system ensures that product will be delivered quickly to the stores that need it.

"We have a good supply management system that evaluates fairly well the demand and pull from each individual store depending on its size, class, location, seasonality and things like that," Trépanier explained.

"We’re not putting fixed numbers for stores; we really assign quantities based on historical pull."

Trépanier went on to defend Nintendo's decision to launch the Wii just two days after PlayStation 3, stating, "The timing is great as it’s pre-Thanksgiving, which is a very important commercial consideration in the United States, and it’s great for the holidays.

"And the great news is the feedback we’re getting from media and consumers and all of our research is that the Nintendo Wii really is the pretty girl at the party this year."

Trépanier's comments came at a Wii launch event held at the Ontario Place theme park. Members of the press, public and games industry were all invited to attend, and the response was positive despite long queues to play the most highly anticipated titles (with Ubisoft's Red Steel proving particularly popular).

Trépanier declined to put a figure on the number of Wii units shipped to Canada, but did say that the territory represents "about ten per cent" of the North American market. Analysts have estimated that as many as 200,000 consoles were available in Canada at launch.

"Canada is more important than its actual market size," Trépanier said.

"Not only is Canada 10 per cent of North America, which is significant, but the Canadian subsidiary of Nintendo is widely regarded as one of the best subsidiaries in the world on a whole bunch of measures including profit per employee and market share."

The Nintendo Wii will launch in Japan on December 2, six days ahead of the European release.

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SeesThroughAll
20/11/06 @ 17:04
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"Unlike our competitors, we don’t have ulterior motives; we’re not in it to sell HD TVs, or to become the operating system in the living room or anything like that.

"We’re in the gaming business, and we have to make money from everything we sell - and we are making money from day one on the Wii."


Actually, he's right.
brokenkey
20/11/06 @ 17:04
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Trépanier - someone who drills holes into other people's heads.
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nickthegun
20/11/06 @ 17:07
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But they must sell them to us for a loss! This is the business practice we are used to!

And so on and so forth.........

Good on them for having a realistic product. Im glad MS didnt use this strategy or i could never have afforded a 360, but still, fair play to them.
JayPee
20/11/06 @ 17:14
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Oh FFS.

The sole aim for ALL these companies is to increase the value of their stock any way they can.

Get off your high horse Nintendo.

The counter arguament of course is "Well, if I just buy a 360, don't invest in any other technology that could lead to an alterior motive have I not basically got more for my money than a Wii? Because, as you say, you are making a profit on the Wii, and MS/Sony are making a loss on thier units. Therfore I summise that if I were to just buy the consoles and the games, better "value" would not be the Wii."

For a fucking start I can't watch a damn DVD on this Wii.

Oh, and there are tangiable reasons your hardware is deliverable on the scale you mention.
Foxclose
20/11/06 @ 17:18
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Why can't they repraise it better like saying: we have no ulterior motive by not making a heavy loss?!

But no they have to boast and say we cashing in, right NOW!! LOL!

Mortey
20/11/06 @ 17:19
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Profit is king to all companies, true but, I don't see why being able to watch a DVD on Wii would have any point on a sale? Why watch it on a Wii when everybody has a DVD player. Also Nintendo stuck to the word by saying it is a gaming machine....

Look at the DS, it does nothing except play games, the PSP does everything, the DS has pissed on it regarding sales though.

Do one thing well not a lot badly...
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chupachups
20/11/06 @ 17:23
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"Good on them for having a realistic product."

Shame on them for charging £40 a game when they're already making a profit on the consoles.

I'd love to pay more up front for the hardware in exchange for cheaper games, but Nintendo want us to pay more up front for the hardware AND have expensive games.
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Kostabi
20/11/06 @ 17:24
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So this is how Gamecubes are recycled.

/runs.
nickthegun
20/11/06 @ 17:24
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I think the DVD issue is simply that it is so ubiquitous and so cheap to implement, its hard to see why you would leave it out.

But, again, if most of you customers wont use it and you can shave off $5 per unit, then why not?
nickthegun
20/11/06 @ 17:28
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"Good on them for having a realistic product."

Shame on them for charging £40 a game when they're already making a profit on the consoles.

I'd love to pay more up front for the hardware in exchange for cheaper games, but Nintendo want us to pay more up front for the hardware AND have expensive games.


Oh, dont get me wrong, i probably wont buy a Wii for almost that exact reason, but you cant fault them for having a solid business plan. People will pay £40 a game and they know it. They are also charging as much for the console as they can get away with and thats not including 'optional' extras like controllers.

But, ultimately (and as i said during the clover closure) gaming is not charity work. They will charge as much as they can for as long as they can and laugh all the way to the bank while doing it.

rinoaMW
20/11/06 @ 17:29
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well they're gonna need that profit to pay for all the lawsuits about damaged equipment:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthr...

;)
sickpuppysoftware
20/11/06 @ 17:29
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Unlike our competitors we make sure you pay the full amount for each console, and then some. Kerching!

Bend over and take it, you love it
IAmBatman
20/11/06 @ 17:36
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"Our competitors are giving you far more than your money's worth. But we aren't."

I know it's business, but surely this isn't something they want to advertise to buyers, is it?
chupachups
20/11/06 @ 17:45
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"Oh, dont get me wrong, i probably wont buy a Wii for almost that exact reason, but you cant fault them for having a solid business plan."

There's nothing especially solid about making a profit on the hardware, in many ways it's risky because it'll reduce sales. The PS2 did okay but it was sold at a loss (at least to begin with), and so do all the makers of "free" phones you get from phone networks.

In fact I think Nintendo has missed a huge chance with the Wii by making it so expensive and the games so expensive. People new to games (which Nintendo keep going on about) aren't going to suddenly be converted to gaming if the console costs £180 and the games cost £30 to £40, it's too expensive. Those prices are reasonable to existing gamers, but not to the average non-gamer.


"They will charge as much as they can for as long as they can and laugh all the way to the bank while doing it."

They can charge what they like, but that doesn't mean that charging more brings in more profits. Profits depend not just on margins (the profit per sale) but volumes too (the number of sales). If you put the margin up, the volumes go down, and the amount you lose because of reduced volumes can wipe out the amount you gain because of increased margins.

Videos have a smaller margin than games, yet the video industry is larger than the games industry because they sell in such huge volumes, and they sell in such huge volumes because they only cost about £15. Games need to get closer down to this level if they want to attract similar-sized audiences.
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TheJanitor
20/11/06 @ 17:56
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while too much ambition can hurt, nintendo's lack of it will ruin them.
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20/11/06 @ 18:05
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I don't care how Nintendo as company will do. I am more interested in the games they will have for Wii. Red Steel looks like fun and Zelda is probably excellent.

I am just hoping Wii won't be like DS. Now, don't get me wrong, I like DS, but there's only a few really good games for it. Especially games that have longer lasting appeal. There are no good RPG games and even Zelda is taking forever..

Trepanier is saying Wii is the pretty girl in the party. Well, hopefully it's not as shallow as the pretty girls usually are.
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20/11/06 @ 18:11
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"Videos have a smaller margin than games, yet the video industry is larger than the games industry because they sell in such huge volumes, and they sell in such huge volumes because they only cost about £15."
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Erm... isn't the game industry larger than the film industry and the TV industry combined (or so I heard)? Also, Wii games (on play.com at least) cost £12 less than PS3 games. Not trying to be a fanboy here (hell, I'm not even sure I'll buy a Wii), but I find it somewhat strange that people are surprised at Nintendo wanting profit.
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20/11/06 @ 18:16
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Quoting that games cost "£40" is about as realistic as quoting the RRP for 360 games. Nobody with any sense pays that now, even for new titles. Independent retailers on the street and their web counterparts see to that. Gears of War is £34.99 in many places at the moment.

£40 will be RRP for the Wii titles - watch 'em come in under that in the real world....
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20/11/06 @ 18:29
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Urm, until you re-coup the development costs, I'm afraid your selling the Wii at a loss. And infact this system is more doomed than the Cube, I mean who in the like is gonna buy a game like COD3 with crappy graphics on the Wii, when they can get a next gen version on the 360 or PS3. Even with the Wii remote, it's hardly like aiming with a gun.

I think I'll stick to the Cube version of Zelda & my 360 thankyou very much !

PS. From a former Nintendo fan boy, now XBox & 360 fanboy.. Nintendo you let us down so badly with the Cube broadband adapter!!
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themerlin13
20/11/06 @ 18:30
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Wii Wii Wii all the way.........to the bank!!
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20/11/06 @ 18:36
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Funny how many business experts are in this thread. But I'm more amused by those "haha they just want to make money and nothing else"-guys:

That's exactly what he said! Read the fucking article next time!

The "ulterior motive" (that they don't have) is clear in Sony's case: Push BluRay and HD movies to sell TVs, and also in Microsoft's case: Become the main provider of the "living room OS". Their consoles are like trojan horses for that case, and so they subsidize heavily. That's really all he said, and like SeesThroughAll put it "Actually, he is right"
MadMirko
20/11/06 @ 18:38
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Nintendo you let us down so badly with the Cube broadband adapter!!

ROFL, this thread is going to be priceless... :)
Schiraman
20/11/06 @ 18:44
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In what way is this news?

We've known for a long time that the Wii doesn't contain cutting edge components and thus would be cheap to make - and we've known for a long time that Nintendo have no intention of passing that saving onto consumers.

This isn't even the first time they've bragged about it.

Seems like an odd thing to be rubbing in gamers' faces, but OTOH it's nice to see that Sony don't have a monopoly on saying stupid things.
AOFanboi
20/11/06 @ 18:51
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There's nothing especially solid about making a profit on the hardware, in many ways it's risky because it'll reduce sales.

Only potential sales. If you're going to make 5 million units of something, price it at a point where it will sell 5 million units, not at a price that might have sold 10 million units - you'll make a loss, disappoint 5 million users and create an eBayer's Paradise.

Yes, Sony, I am looking at you.
Steroyd
20/11/06 @ 19:02
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So er... yeah about that Zelda review...
n3rdh8r
20/11/06 @ 19:07
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"and all of our research is that the Nintendo Wii really is the pretty girl at the party this year."

Cheap, tiny and with nice gadgets!
Horstachio
20/11/06 @ 19:08
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It doesn't mean much. The gamecube were also profitable from day one.
George Roper
20/11/06 @ 19:13
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Excite Truck looks ace, in comparison to Motor Storm.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
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20/11/06 @ 19:49
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in other words: we are taking all your consumer surplus . our games cost less to produce but we charging a comparable price to sony+ms.

all i can say is: bastards!!
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20/11/06 @ 19:49
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Er.. Santino? I suspect he just wants a review of Zelda as soon as possible :)
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20/11/06 @ 19:50
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A $200 million ad campaign in North America and they claim to be making a profit from day one? Damned fine work.
ratso
20/11/06 @ 19:53
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"and you dont know our system is essentially game cube hardware. so we are charging well over cost price because people are fools".

im surprised nintendo admitted to this, it makes no business sense to tell people that your getting all the benefits of the transaction

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20/11/06 @ 19:59
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"Wii profitable from day one"

ie. 360 and PS3 are, pound for pound, better value.

Well done Mr Nintendo, the 360 looks an even better option for many after reading that I'm sure.
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20/11/06 @ 20:06
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I think the DVD issue is simply that it is so ubiquitous and so cheap to implement, its hard to see why you would leave it out.

But, again, if most of you customers wont use it and you can shave off $5 per unit, then why not?


I think it's actually a licensing issue more than anything. It's not the technology that would put the cost up, it's licensing. You have to pay X amount to somebody if your device plays DVDs
DanMW
20/11/06 @ 20:13
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I understand from reading an article (about how much $€N¥ is losing on PS3) that M$ now makes $75 or so on every 360
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20/11/06 @ 20:15
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Too expensive. Price difference between the Wii and the 360 in the UK at least, makes their claim of an easy entry point, frankly laughable. I'm surprised they haven't worked this one out yet - the number of times they've had products pretty much fail here.
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20/11/06 @ 21:39
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er... Santino I want EG to review Zelda I got the impression from gamespot that the reviewer.

a)doesn't like the wii at all (complained about the controls ALOT).
b)He would rather be masterbating over... sorry playing GeoW than playing Zelda (he complained about low res textures on Zelda...on the wii... WTF!?! ).

In comparison to IGN who was like a horney teenager locked in Playboy Mansion for the night.

I'm just curious on EG's stance on this supposed-to-be-better-than-OoT-Behemoth Epic game.
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20/11/06 @ 22:13
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Prices for Wii games are currently £35 with one large scale, and blatantly obvious, online store.
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20/11/06 @ 22:47
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How wouldn't it be profitable. By all accounts its a Gamecube with a a different controller. I haven't spoken to too many people that are overly impressed at this point with it except for the people I know who have children. Apparently Wii is for the "kids". Zelda is the only decent game and why wouldn't I just buy the Gamecube version instead?
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20/11/06 @ 22:53
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/walks in
/asseses situation
/pulls out minigun
/kills all frothing-at-the-mouth rabid MSony fanboys
CJF
20/11/06 @ 23:04
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@Oasis

I'm don't think I read the comments that you were quoting, but for the multinational manufacturer of a gaming console to want to produce the most successful gaming console isn't exactly ulterior :P. Supplying an HD product that is ostensibly a gaming console, when you also supply HD TVs is ulterior.

@ everyone else regarding price. Nintendo have widely been reported (by Eurogamer / gamesindustry in addition to others) as having wanted to keep the retail price down. We're being milked here, because British consumers are always milked (by both companies and the government), but I suspect it's largely down to retailers for keeping the price inflated, rather than Nintendo itself.

And also, I was pretty pissed off when I saw games prices at £40 a piece. Nintendo had bleated on and on about keeping prices down, which seemed hypocritical, but most online stores are doing all games for no more than £32.99 with free delivery (e.g. play.com), so that pretty much assuaged my irritation (especially considering those are launch prices).
HenryMancini
20/11/06 @ 23:16
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Isn't a "Trépanier" someone who drills holes in other people's heads?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning - weird.

BTW - Got my Wii on Sunday morning here in the US... bought it primarily for Zelda, which is magnificent. The pack-in sports games are way more fun than I anticipated. The console UI is pretty neat, and I really want to try out some of the "social" aspects of it... not sure where to start though.

Red Steel is ok-ish, not amazing... here's hoping more decent content comes down the pipe pretty quickly.

Compared to my 360, the gfx are on the < side of "poor". But in the fun stakes - it's way up there. Love it!
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20/11/06 @ 23:16
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A few points here:

Ulterior motive - can't believe that any of you doubt this with Sony and MS. MS would just looovvve to own your living room and Sony really are desperate to push the HD thang after the relatively dysmal sell-through performance of HD TVs. I'm only surprised that the PS3 doesn't make tea and give you a handjob in the morning as they've plumbed so much other superfluous shit into it!

Nintendo making money - well, hard to criticise a company for attempting this. Don't get me wrong, I think the Wii is outrageously overpriced in the UK but so is everything in this shithole country ...

Better 'value' from the other consoles - maybe for some of you but for me, my year of 360 has been pretty shit. I don't have a HD TV (47" SD which I'll be replacing next year cos it's due - 5 years old - but would never do JUST for games given it's going to cost me £2.5k to do it!). Therefore, the HD ability is useless, the DVD player is the 3rd one in my house, the ability to playback music and movies on my TV is cool except that I can't hear anything cos the 360 is so bloody loud and I can't stream movies without giving M$ yet more cash to extend my PCs Media Centre (or something). So, its a games machine then and nothing else for me and I suspect lots of others too. As I've alluded to above, the PS3 is even worse in this respect. Blu-Ray? What for?! How much???!!!

Nope, give me a GAMES machine any day, I'm not interested (yet) in the other shit, especially at the uber-price it weighs in at.

Come 08/12/06, I'll be playing Zelda and around the end of the year, I may even have finished it and it'll be 10x better than anything I've experienced in 12 months of 'next-gen gaming' (pulleeezzz). When I'm done, I'll take a few days off then start it off from scratch again. Now that's value for £39.99 (£29.99 at Argos!)

dredd97
20/11/06 @ 23:31
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gee somebody didn't like Zelda and it's a bloody conspiracy all of a sudden?

I feel more suspicious if the reviewer gives a game 100% (and Zelda TP has a few already) because no game is perfect, and not even Zelda can claim that, because if it has issues or slight problems, they can't be papered over just so the review gets 100%...by giving a game 100% your basically saying that this game is perfect there is nothing wrong with it at all...but we humans aren't perfect and we reflect this in the things we build (or program)....
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Analysts are saying that Wii is costing Nintendo around about $100 USD to make at the moment, which means that the $250 price point is making them a huge profit.

I doubt that the Wiimote and Nunchuck controllers are costing anywhere near as much to make as their price point suggests, either, and most US retailers apparently ran out of controllers before they ran out of Wiis, so it's safe to say most of the early adopters were buying 3 extra.

I don't see why they need to gloat to the media that they're taking their customers for a ride, though.
dredd97
20/11/06 @ 23:34
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so your basically a fanboy then bonker?
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20/11/06 @ 23:38
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my apologies steroyd got the wrong end of the stick there! ive deleted the post sorry bout that, yeah i would like to hear eurogamers take on zelda.
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Bonkers?

if you dont care about "all the other shit" why are you complaining about your problems in trying to use "all the other shit"
if you dont have an hdtv, why did you get a 360 knowing it would only be put to full use with an hdtv
if you cant hear the movies and tv over your 360 you dont have a very good tv, even - they have speakers built in usually!
if you cant figure out you can put movie files on a memory stick, a hard drive, a cd, a dvd or stream through windows media player, oh well

and finally, why did you say the important thing is games and yet you failed to mention games when talking about your 360...
oh well.
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21/11/06 @ 02:25
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Why all the bitching about gamespots review of zelda?

He gave it 8.8/10!!!!

>gee somebody didn't like Zelda

He did like it, he gave it 8.8/10!!!


Yes it has issues, story so far isn't great, graphics are obviously gamecube standards, the wii controlls dont ALWAYS work as well as you'd like (but 99% time do).. But it's STILL an ace game.

I'm a nintendo fanboy, so far i've put in 10 hours on zelda, and so far i'd say that review is spot on.

BUT it's STILL the best game i've played all year.

You guys really need to get over this "lower than 9.9/10 means the reviewer thinks its crap" attitude
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>yet you failed to mention games when talking about your 360...


To be fair.. erm.. nope too easy, and itd wind people up too much :-)

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