PS3 Virtua Tennis 3 in 1080p Comments by Tom Bramwell

No how can this be. They must be lying. Or something.

Omg.

thats really nice, now all we need is someone to sell a tele that can handle 1080p for less than the price of a small car, mind you by the time ps3 comes out over someone might

Virtua Tennis 3 will run at 1080p on PlayStation 3 =! "Right now the game is at 720p and we are aiming to have it reach 1080p by the time the game is wrapped," the spokesperson said.

Not that it really matters though.

Not really.

"Right now the game is at 720p and we are aiming to have it reach 1080p by the time the game is wrapped,"

Read the article.That´s a quote about Ressistance.Virtua Tennis 3 was displayed already at 1080p.

This'll be the way of things to come. More developers will take advantage of the feature as they learn more about the console. No brainer.

Now that's really good news and seems to hint at the PS3 being quite a graphically capable beast after all especially considering how detailed both Resistance and Virtua Tennis 3 are, with the latter running at 60 fps I believe. Shame that it'll be a long before I get to see those games running in 1080p though... :(

LOL at people who can't accept that developers are already producing games in HD.

This is so unfair. Sega Tennis for the Xbox 360 could easily match this if it had been in development for the same number of aeons the PS3 version has. There will be no difference between the two systems' graphics where cross platform titles are concerned. None I tell you!

;)

Virtual tennis has a very limited field of display so 1080p is possible. I don't think this is the case with Resistance hence the 720p with (jump on the bandwagon) hopes of hitting 1080p.

It's kind of like saying we have space invaders running at 1080p i.e. it's not like there is anything major going on (on screen) to stop you doing so!

+1 for penhalion

@ drumbaby:

But chances are that X360 owners will still be able to take a 1080i output and de-interlace it, which would be as close to 1080p as one could get. So everybody can enjoy HD. Of course, if the PS3 can output 1080p, why not use the feature?

Gotta love Sega :) I wish they came back with an uber-powerful console. They would kick BOTH Fony and M$ a$$e$.

@penhalion

....yeah...that's it. Space Invaders.

:|

It's pong at 1080p, whoo-hoo!

I think some MS spokesperson thought this was not going to happen (for games to run in 1080p). Here we go.

I think some MS spokesperson thought this was not going to happen (for games to run in 1080p). Here we go.

Whenever a Sony spokesperson makes a wrong guess, it's because it was bullshit. Whenever a MS spokesperson makes a wrong guess, it's because what he said was "taken out of context".

LOL at people who can't accept that developers are already producing games in HD.

Yeh, it must be really hard for ppl to accept the first HD games like VT3.

Oh well.

Somehow, in some way, this is bad news.

I'm not sure quite how yet, but I'm sure you guys will help me with that one if you dig deep enough ;)

Indeed. But I love them all. Especially those down to earth blogs that Microsoft runs.

Whenever a Sony spokesperson makes a wrong guess, it's because it was bullshit. Whenever a MS spokesperson makes a wrong guess, it's because what he said was "taken out of context".

Who says he was wrong, aiming for and getting there are two different things and powerfull marketing tools. Besides, he said first year iirc (bash my head in if I'm wrong ;) ).

"Yeh, it must be really hard for ppl to accept the first HD games like VT3."

err 720p is a HD format. 1080i is a HD Format. 1080p happens to be the highest but that doesn't make VT3 the first HD title - any 360 title did that at launch LAST YEAR.

Indeed.

edited and removed due to my stupidity and cross reading of two unrelated stories in the same news item.

Mondays, eh ? Who'd 'ave 'em !

Somehow, in some way, this is bad news.

I'm not sure quite how yet, but I'm sure you guys will help me with that one if you dig deep enough ;)

Well, to be fair, you dont have to dig very deep.

Up to now, very few developers have managed to hit the PlayStation 3's highest single-monitor resolution, although some are hopeful of being able to do so.

Hopeful? Some developers are 'Hopeful' that they make use of one of the consoles main selling features? I bought a new car the other day because I was assured that Ford were 'Hopeful' the 5th gear would work......

I know you were being sarcastic, but despite the VT news being good (looking forward to seeing it) the rest of the article isnt massively positive.

Given that the Ps3 has a 7900 gt class cpu it is not surprising that games with reasonably small environments can do 1080p (I run 2560x1600 for many games on my pc)

BUT I believe that for larger games the memory constraints will cause issues. Assuming double buffered screens you save 35MB of ram approx by going with 720p vs 1080p (assuming no aa overhead etc). And in a machine with 512mb in total that is a LOT of textures

I was surprised that both sony and Msoft did not go with 1 gig of ram for the consoles, because that would make 1080 p (or 1080i for xbox) rather easier to support in long run.

Carpathian:

The "Right now the game is at 720p and we are aiming to have it reach 1080p by the time the game is wrapped," comment isn't referring to VT3 at all... it's about Resistence!

I thought that all games were natively 1080p...

Can't you run most PC games in 1080p if you have the hardware?

The only difference is that the PS3 is a console - thusly meant to be played round the TV with a few mates (especially games like VT3).

For the price of a TV that supporst 1080p and the PS3, you could buy one hellova PC, and play a lot more games, at a lot higher res. than 1080p, at a lot higer framerates. - Go Figure.

IMO 720p/1080i is about the right price point for the current TV tech market. We are already begining to the the downside of developing for higher resolutions (unreadable text etc.). I think a lot of people on this site forget about the large majority of the market that still play their games on a SCART < 30" TV

Can't you run most PC games in 1080p if you have the hardware?

Sure, 1080p means non-interlaced (progressive) 1920x1080 resolution. You just need a telly that supports that or a video projector that is capable of showing that. Or if you want you can also use a monitor.

LeDilettante: THAT really matters. Given how my family can't distinguish between SD and HD TV, I'm sure they'll spot the difference between 1080i and 1080p.

Would you like to tell us what program source have you used when you've tested your family if they can spot the difference. Also, please enlighten us what kind of a screen you have.

1080p isn't really a feature, it's more of a capability. Which is NO bad thing.

"Now that's really good news and seems to hint at the PS3 being quite a graphically capable beast after all especially considering how detailed both Resistance and Virtua Tennis 3 are, with the latter running at 60 fps I believe."

Well it'd have to be, otherwise it's functionally identical to 1080i, isn't it?

1080i/60 = 1080 line Frame sent in two 540 line fields, fields sent 60 times a second
1080p/60 = 1080 line Frame sent in a single 1080 line field sent 60 times a second

If they're only updating a 1080p display every other frame, that's the same visual resolution and frame rate as 1080i/60.

For the price of a TV that supporst 1080p and the PS3, you could buy one hellova PC, and play a lot more games, at a lot higher res. than 1080p, at a lot higer framerates. - Go Figure.

So you're comparing the cost of a PS3 + 1080p HDTV to a PC + cheap LCD monitor? How about comparing the cost of a shit hot PC rig to a PS3, both on the same display...

Will the real 1080p please stand up . . .

Some questions -

1. is 1080p at 60fps, or at 30fps, no one knows yet and it makes a huge difference.
2. is it true 1080p, or like PGR3's upscaled non-720p
3. Will we see more games in 1080p over time, as the console is pushed technically, or less because as the graphical bar is pushed upwards, with games competing for the best possible 720p graphics, there actually becomes less spare power to do 1080p.

I'm gonna get a 1080p LCD monitor for my PS3, only costing me a extra £550.

Plus I can use it on the PC aswell, so good all around for me. :D

Why are people shocked? The PS3 is more powerful than the 360 afterall....

"I'm gonna get a 1080p LCD monitor for my PS3, only costing me a extra £550"

Make sure it supports HDCP, otherwise you may be unable to play blu-ray discs at 1080p in the future.

Some of you people are going to have some crappy time playing fun games in the near future.

Take Garulon for instance. Sounds like he's going to be spending time counting the frames per second and doing math instead of concentrating on the game experience.

@ Rhinoxius - It does, through DVI I beleive. :)

Maybe you shouldn't be asking a woman about these things. My mum still asks me how to copy and paste. :P

Resistance being at 1080p would be very impressive indeed.

However, seeing as VT3 only has to display a maximum of 4 highly detailed characters, and is hardly a graphical powerhouse, this announcement doesn't mean very much - and is no indication in itself that a whole loadof PS3 games are going to run at 1080p.

But as I said, if Resistance can do it, then it's impressive. I doubt it will though.

Why are people shocked? The PS3 is more powerful than the 360 afterall....

I'd like the PS3 to be an amazingly powerful console, after all you'd have to be some kind of sad rabid fanboy to want something to be worse, just so that your console looks better.

What I dislike is Sony's posturing over 1080p/real HD, it's a standard that hasn't come of age yet, but sony keep trying to push it as a technical advantage over 360, it simply isn't.

It's also largely unrelated to how powerful a conso;e is, it's what you do with the pixels onscreen, not how many you have! I'd rather see an army of a 100 soldiers in 720p, fighting on a massive battlefield, then look at two tennis players, or two brawlers in 1080p.

Wonga: There are so many things you could do with the SPEs that would help in outputting 1080p that makes that statement untrue.

Does it really matter to 99% of the gamers who don't have 1080p displays? Probably not, unless devs end up spending too much time trying to support this which they could have spent optimising for 720p.

It is quite funny to read the comments from people who previously claimed it wouldn't be done now claiming its the wrong sort of game. :-).

Christ...from the moaning going on in this thread, you'd think Sony were shitting through your letterbox, not offering a neat little feature.

Who cares if not everyone will be able to take advantage right away? If you've got a TV capable of displaying 1080p, this is good news. If you haven't, I'm sure 1080i will look great too. Get over it.

.... and it's hoped someone, somewhere can get hold of a TV that displays it. Let's face it, 1080p TV's are rare at the moment and will be for some time. If you buy a HD TV in the UK, under £2,000 then your gettting a 720p tv.

Most PS3 fans shouting we told you so, will never see a 1080p TV and most won't even get a HDTV at all. So really, the developers are wasting a lot of time (and probably money) even bothering.

I will be buying a HDTV next week. It will be 720p (as practically all of them are). Perfect for gaming on the 360 and PS3. Still, good luck to the developers and Sony. I just don't want foolish gamers on SD tv's (or 720p tv's) harping on about how good something is that they will never even see.

Why are people dissing PS3 games outputting 1080p.

I don't think people was bitching that MS was supporting 720p/1080i resolutions on the Xbox.

Well first off is it actually confirmed to be running at that resolution as of now? or do we just have some people at the event who seem to think they can tell if it's 1080p or not by simply looking at it?(in which case they could well be wrong)

@Disc: Sorry but thats nonesense, the resolution is nothing but fillrate bound and a) The SPEs have nothing to do with that b) As its fixed(clock speed * the number of pipes) you can not do anything to help that other skimping elsewhere to save bandwidth. c) 360 and PS3 are much different thanks to the newer Xenos tech but its fair to say they are pretty even in fillrate(in raw terms PS3 has a slight advantage but this is meaningless>> for example add textures and 4xAA and the 360 has a 2x advantage... its just not supported as MS thought it was too early for that... I agree).

Still I suppose for the very few its a nice option to have, I do wonder if it will be at the expense of framerate though, for those that said they have the option for some PC games to do that: Video cards can have twice the available memory and around twice the bandwidth with their on-board memory than what the RSX will have>>> RSX = 256MB @ 22.5GB/sec >>> 7900 = 512MB @ 51.2GB/sec.

hey cool, 1080p

I'd be pretty surprised if they could get Resistance up there. that would pretty much confirm the PS3 is considerably more powerful for me

err 720p is a HD format. 1080i is a HD Format. 1080p happens to be the highest but that doesn't make VT3 the first HD title - any 360 title did that at launch LAST YEAR.

Someone obviously missed my sarcasm.

As for 1080p; if they manage to do it on VT4, good for them. However, a dev should question himself where the balance is between getting it/costs in and how many ppl will actually have a 1080p tv.

I.E. If building this feature in will delay your game by 2-4 months (and thus miss xmas) while only 1% of your target audience has the means to use it, your not doing something very effective. You might want to consider releasing it through the online service after the game is launched.

Now if something like 20%+ had acces to 1080p, it would be a different story of course.