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Xbox 360 News by Ellie Gibson
Microsoft has refused to confirm rumours that flagship title Project Gotham Racing 3 won't run at 720p - but they're not exactly denying it, either.
"The only performance number a gamer should care about is the output, as that is what is actually viewed and enjoyed," a Microsoft spokesperson told Eurogamer.
"Xbox 360 gives developers incredible flexibility to create the stunning hi-def images that gamers are currently enjoying. Different developers select different combinations of techniques to produce those amazing graphics, but it’s only the output that matters."
Microsoft has previously stated that all Xbox 360 games will run in high definition - according to a statement on Xbox.com, "Games are required to be authored for 720p and 1080i."
But a poster on the Bizarre Creations forum, going under the name of MoonFace, claimed that this wasn't the case with PGR3.
"I have a review build of PGR3 and every time we capture a screenshot (which takes directly from the graphics buffer inside the machine) it punts out at 1024x600," the poster wrote.
"This is unlike any of the other Xbox 360 games we have so far screegrabbed, which have all given screenshots of 1280x720... The signal is outputting at 720p and it fills the screen like anything else, but the fact is, the source is a 1024x600 display."
MoonFace went on to note that this "isn't exactly a reason to go and cancel a pre-order," saying he wouldn't have noticed unless capturing screenshots and that PGR3 "does look better than any other game I've ever seen."
Bizarre has declined to comment on MoonFace's claims, despite repeated requests from other posters - which is unusual, since PGR3 staff regularly post on the forum. Nor did Bizarre respond to Eurogamer's request for comment.
Microsoft did, however - and the spokesperson told us that this isn't an issue for gamers: "What is going on behind the scenes in the code or the HW to get the incredible visuals for Xbox 360 is not what gamers care about.
"They just care about playing great looking and innovative games, and that is exactly what Xbox 360 and the launch lineup has provided."
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"The only performance number a gamer should care about is the output, as that is what is actually viewed and enjoyed," a Microsoft spokesperson told Eurogamer. then why oh why do microsoft keeping on ramming down our throats "the future of gaming is hi-def.?" i agree with you fatfish, so as long the game looks true to the screenshots we have seen, i am happy.
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The Bodybuilder
16/11/05 @ 11:44
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Quick questions EG, when the rumours (or fact) that the ps3 games at e3 were rendered, did you hunt down sony with e-mails to find out the truth?
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well I think its a good news item. The fact that they can't get it running at 60fps is bad enough, but then the fact that they can't even get it running at 720p properly is really annoying. Will I notice a difference? Possibly not although I would assume large screens will show more blury textures than smaller ones. My biggest annoyance is the lack of 60fps. I assume all this will be fixed in PGR4 in 18 months time.
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"Quick questions EG, when the rumours (or fact) that the ps3 games at e3 were rendered, did you hunt down sony with e-mails to find out the truth? "
rendered ps3 games, how dare you? please leave this site we will not have any wild accusations thrown around, the ps3 is the next generation you fool those were not pre-rendereed and for your information all those games also ran at 120fps /waits for all the blind fools stating they are unable to see any bias. |
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@All_Action_Hero : MIcrosoft says that every 360 game will run at at least 720p. Someone finds out that this is apparently not the case with their FLAGSHIP LAUNCH RACER. Meaning that it is outputting LESS than what your display is capable of. Also meaning that it is calling into question one major selling mantra adopted by MS.
EG reports it. How does that make them pro-Sony? This is getting sick. Just see how many other 360 stories there are on the site today. EDIT: ALthough I agree, when a game looks like this, nitpicking is unfair and you can't really tell the difference anyway, especially since I don't have an HDTV. So peace. EDIT 2: Lots of good 360 reviews (including PGR3) on IGN and GameSpot. Get, set, go!!!!
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well I think its a good news item. The fact that they can't get it running at 60fps is bad enough, but then the fact that they can't even get it running at 720p properly is really annoying.
as is my understanding, this was done to bump up the framerate towards the 60 mark. Talha, it does output at 720p, it just has 1024x600 at the frame buffer, which is why this was only noticed when games journalist began taking screens from there. |
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@ Talha
Talha, are you a prick or just plain stupid Eurogamer are reporting on a rumour posted on the Bizzare forums, there is no evidence behind the story, it is just speculation. If you go onto the bizzare creations forum you will find that bizzare have stated that they do not comment on rumours and that the thruth will be found when the game is released. Also where were all the articles stating the ps3 stuff was rendered BS on the eurogamer website Talha you may wish to remain blind to the truth but dont have a go at others who dont wear rose tinted glasses when it comes to eurogamer. |
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Dr_Actually
16/11/05 @ 12:08
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"why oh why do microsoft keeping on ramming down our throats "the future of gaming is hi-def.?" "
because they are desperate to play up their perceived USPs before PS3 steamrollers it technically... Then thing is with hi-def is that after you've played a game for ten minutes you kind of stop noticing it... |
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king_skins
16/11/05 @ 12:11
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its wierd tho that when people started asking MoonFace for more details (setup, screen, how he had setup the resolutions on the console, how he was getting the screen shots from the buffer, where he got the game, how he got the game) he wouldn't answer...
very strange this one... |
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@cha cha: First of all before calling anyone a prick or stupid, it is a better idea to read their whole post.
Second, OK maybe I have rose tinted glasses - since you are so clear in your vision the EG site is no longer for you. You seem to have a lot of time to not only read the third-rate news items on this site but respond to stupid forum posters. Third, differing from someone's opinion is NOT THE SAME AS HAVING A GO AT THEM. For one thing, I didn't call All_Action_Hero a prick. Edit: Four, read some of the other posts before this one. ;)
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i apologise for my ineloquence on my last post
but all i am statin is that, since when has it been common practice to report news based on what some geezah said on a forum. This news article is poorly researched and secondly gives a negative impression of PGR although their is no proof to substantiate any of the so called news in the article |
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Derblington
16/11/05 @ 12:26
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chacha - it's not poorly researched, they couldn't get people to talk. Those who did comment didn't say anything useful.
Arnie - it's not negative to the 360 although it might make MS look tits to some people that care about this stuff. And if it's old it means that other websites/forums have covered it too, why don't you go and troll them? |
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king_skins
16/11/05 @ 12:35
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USP = Unique Selling Points
Dr_Actually @ technical superiority, you make it sound much better than in actually is. There is a Video on 1up, in the 360 hardware porn items that one of the guys said he talked to the guy that made the MGS4 video and he said that it was also possible on the 360... |
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@Fluffy: Don't worry, if you believe the posters, this place is full of PS3 these days. For evidence, just look at the homepage. Second, it is a lame reason to desert me - you are seeing someone else, admit it you lying, cheating.... person!!!!
@Genji: That is incredible news, I will be able to ditch my wife then!! (No wife = more money = X360 + PS3 + HDTV = heaven) |
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