Proper widescreen for PS2 Resi 4
Cube owners may cry here.
The PlayStation 2 version of Resident Evil 4, due out in Europe on November 4th, will feature proper a 16:9 widescreen mode where the GameCube version merely had an enforced letterbox at 4:3 that could be zoomed on proper widescreen tellys.
That's according to a report on IGN, which also states that the game will feature progressive scan support like its Cube sibling (although whether this will apply in Europe remains to be seen) and that Dolby Pro-Logic II surround sound will be there complement the experience.
IGN also talks of a new weapon, the PRL 412 (Parasite Removal Laser), which is used for sheering off the pesky Plaga - although nobody's sure whereabouts it's likely to be hidden in the game.
If true, the news of a proper widescreen mode in Resi 4 is tremendous news for PS2 owners but is likely to grate slightly with Cube followers, who had been lead to conclude that it was pretty much all that was possible on the hardware. Nope!
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I'm reminded that, as an advertising-funded website, it may be in Eurogamer's interests to provoke controversy and trolling flamewars - every 100+ comment thread to them is basically a 'kerching' of pageviews which their own reporters didn't have to bother writing for...
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/adds to list after Viewtiful Joe
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widescreen, schmidescreen....
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"long load times and fewer dynamic lights"
I see no reason for long load times - DVD's aren't slow and the PS2 can stream with the best of them. But thanks for nailing down what's wrong with the graphics. After looking at a lot of screenshots I noticed there wasn't much difference apart from slightly worse textures - but there was still something 'wrong' looking with the PS2 version. That something does look like the lighting
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Anyway, I think all RE games should be in black & white (with the 'gritty old film' effect over the top) in 4:3 ratio, so it feels even more spooky and like you are playing it on an old TV. Genius!.....but probably won't be widely accepted
/Back to drawing board
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I personally doubt we'll see such huge loading speed differences as in killer 7 (which was horribly slow on the ps2).
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There's no excuse for not supporting 16:9 these days.
Guess my Gamecube version will be up for part-exchange.
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I agree - the letterbox was stupid and insulting!
Awesome game though... may even buy the PS2 version also now
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It means the image would be tall on a 4:3 screen (the entire image taking up the screen) so that when widescreen is used on your tv, the image is stretched to the correct ratio 16:9.
"Guess my Gamecube version will be up for part-exchange. "
I bought it late but the Gamecube still has some good games on it that I wouldn't give up. The remake of RE1 and the best version of RE3 Nemesis for starters.
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Fillrate. Think how much CPU and GPU processing time was saved with 1/4 of the screen not being drawn. The GC can cope with more detailed texture and lighting than the PS2 but the PS2's pure poly and fillrate pushing grunt mean that the PS2 can handle a lower quality game with no boarders.
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And... new weapon? Plagas remover? That's... really unnecessary. And stupid too. Why wouldn't Leon just use it on himself? Unless it's different from the one at the end of the game...
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"(although whether this will apply in Europe remains to be seen)" - Heh, the EU prolly gets shafted again. ;p
"The GC can cope with more detailed texture and lighting than the PS2 but the PS2's pure poly and fillrate pushing grunt mean that the PS2 can handle a lower quality game with no boarders."
Im sorry, are we in diffrent dimensions? I thought i heard you say that the ps2 has power.
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/still can't be bothered to do that
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Do you feel so insecure that you can't admit another console's good points. :?
Games like Jak3, SnakeEater and Dynasty Warriors 5 are possible on the PS2 because of the poly-pushing grunt power that hp_on_toast was on about. This has been a relativly nice thread, don't try to turn it into another ignorant flaming war.
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I meant that I'll exchange my Gamecube version of RE4, not the console itself. I totally agree that there are a few good games on Gamecube, and that the Resident Evil remake is definately amongst them... Im not sure about RE3: Nemesis though. The GC version is the best version, but it's still the worst of the canonical Resident Evil titles.
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Yeah,. but looking at the screens, will you be happy with MUCH poorer qaulity visuals for the sakes of widescreen mode? I'd rather have higher quality gfx myself.
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RE:Remake had too many silly additions (expanding the lab section would have been better) and the original RE1 script / voice actors are great in the same way "Plan 9 FOS" is entertaining (ie, so bad it's good).
RE2 was soo much better than RE3 too - the trench coat tyrant was so much more scary than the naff looking nemisis with his crap rocket launcher!
If Capcom ever think about doing another RE Remake then it should be RE2 with the RE4 viewpoint on next gen consoles and they should expand the brief start in the streets of Raccoon City.
Anyway, back on topic. RE4 = great and all the PS2 RE fans without Cubes will see what the fuss is about.
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Whoops! Sorry, my misunderstanding there O.o ... though Resi3 was my fave before Resi4 (Nemesis was scary on first playthrough)
"will you be happy with MUCH poorer qaulity visuals for the sakes of widescreen mode?"
They don't look THAT much poorer actually. The PS2 never does screenshot well so i'll reserve final judgement till I see it 'in the flesh' so to speak. It is inferior Gfx-wise no doubt but I don't think it'll ruin the expeirence. As for part-exchange...You never get much for those things, especially for a game that now quite old. So i'd say just keep the old and buy the new one too
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It's pretty amusing how you say this when compared to the PS2, but if someone mentions Xbox's higher quality graphics you revert your argument to 'gameplay over graphics'.
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16:9 with PS2-graphics or 4:3 with zooming and Cube-graphics. Easy choice.
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Okay. You can have that. I loved Directors Cut. And you're spot on with regard to the original voice-acting. ("Jill? Wesker? What happened to Jill and Wesker?"
People shouldn't expect those PS2 screenshots to be a final representation of the PS2 game graphics. I've made that mistake before. And nowadays I'd happily swap some jaggies (which never really show during gameplay) to get rid of vertical borders. And then there's the additional content. Though the greatest bonus will be to be able to play such a good game on a good controller.
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You say it like theres a choice to make here. The Cube version was out ages ago and those people who wanted it bought it. The PS2 version is now coming out, the people who want it will buy it. Wheres the choice? Surely anyone who has a Cube has the game by now, right? The people who will buy RE4 on PS2 are now people who only have a PS2 and coudn't play it originally and fans of the series who are delighted at the extras.
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"I'm really excited about this game, with all these extras it makes me think!!!! Just how shit was the gamecube version anyway? "
If ever was a comment asking for a fight, that was it. My advise to everyone is - ignore the git. He clearly knows nothing.
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Headshot. Critical strike! "
Not really.. If yer not a monkey and you read that in CONTEXT. I was replying to the guy who was on about trading in his cube version for the ps2 one because the ps2 one has widescreen, so therefor he cares about his gfx content, and as such he surely wouldnt therefor want lower quality textures/lighting?
>Xbox's higher quality graphics
And I own an xbox so why would i do that? I normally only mention that when someone is refering to gfx in a game which is just YET ANOTHER racing/fps game, etc etc..
Honestly i wish you guys would read things in context before jumping down peoples necks throwing your dummies out the pram.
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Aysir, my friend. " I've forgot more than what you know. "
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Sorry, did I misunderstand your first comment?
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I'd love to know how you had fullscreen on a 4:3, considering the game was designed to run in letterbox on a 4:3.
Anyhoo, I thought the game was OK, but I finished it in a weekend. Not exactly the definition of loingevity.
Edit - hehe... I'll keep that typo in. I made me smile.
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So you're telling me this means he prefers graphics? Strange, because the 'I' and 'myself' in there would imply that you're talking about your own personal preferences. It's a funny old world.
so therefor he cares about his gfx content, and as such he surely wouldnt therefor want lower quality textures/lighting?
Blah, blah, blah. What he wants and what he said are irrelevant. I remember you banging on about how graphics were not important and it was all about gameplay when I was comparing with the Xbox, and now here you are saying I'd rather have higher quality gfx myself now that it suits you and your argument against with the PS2.
You can't have it both ways, kid. At least not on the same forum where people remember what you said last time.
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"hehe, if it's anything like the cube version you'll have to complete all the mercenaries stages on 5* to get the thing."
*MINOR MERCENARIES SPOILERS*
It can seem impossible, but it's worth the effort IMO. I'm still having fun playing the odd game of Mercenaries seven months after getting a GC and RE 4. Just got my high score on the Village to 115,000 with Wesker, and 110,000 on the Castle with Krauser.
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No it'll be letterboxed. Like when they used to show Widescreen movies on TV.
"Maybe this is a dumb question, but does the proper widescreen mode only matter if you have a widescreen TV? "
Yeah. I guess without it i'll just be like the Gamecube one...Letterboxed. Unless you feel like watching everything really tall and have it fill the screen.
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On a widescreen TV, the picture entirely fills the screen with no borders and no distortion of the picture.
On a non-widescreen TV, you will either have horizontal borders at the top and bottom of the screen (a 'letterbox' picture) or you will have a picture which is deliberately distorted (stretched) in order to fill the screen. Which of these, depends on the individual TV or specific game.
Personally, I'd rather not have borders or a distorted picture. Which is why, despite what will probably turn out to be a minor reduction in the quality game graphics - I'll be happy to get the PS2 version of RE4.
The bonus content and the opportunity to use the (in my opinion) superior control pad, are further incentives.
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Given the choice between widescreen and better quality gfx, the no brainer choice as they're both going to PLAY the same. So unlike the person i was replying to, i personally would return my better looking game just to play it in widescreen with worse graphics?
Now if the ps2 version was more FUN then as you quite rightly say, gameplay more important so i'd go for that.
I dont see what the problem is? Apart from you being mr literal about everything and taking stuff out of context?
The "gameplay over gfx" thing was about another thing altogether in a completely different context. I think it was probably on topic of handheld games? Where i'd prefer the pick up fun of the games on the ds over the graphical lushness of the games on the psp? Dunno.. But that's completely against the point here?
Why is this so hard to understand?
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And if you had a widescreen TV you could get it in full, widescreen mode anyway, by changing settings on your TV. RE4 looked just lovely on my widescreen. I don't think I would have benefited more from "proper widescreen."
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BTW: The lip sync in the voice acting is really bad on the IGN intro video of the PS2 version. Is this caused by widescreen or bad baud-rate whilst streaming?
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But personally I care because I have an HD widescreen TV and like to make the most of it.
And statistically, I am in the age bracket and income level of the "average PS2 punter". Which is mid-to-late twenties and more-than-enough.
If you believe it to be fifteen and on pocket money, you're information is more than a little out of date.
And as for comments regarding the volume of posts generated by an IGN article... is commenting on the volume of comments generated by an IGN article really any more viable?
It's reasonable to assume that due to their track record on the franchise, and due to the fact that news released through official and unofficial channels on the port have stated it - that the named additional content will be included. And so it's surely reasonable to discuss it.
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Then get an Xbox 360.
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Perhaps we wont be limited to a watered-down software portfolio after all!
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I'll wait for the Xbox version thanks.
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It's ironic that someone who has a reputation of acting like a brick wall when it comes to common sense asks someone why something could possibly be hard to understand. If only you would practice what you preach.
Actually, I believe the thread touched on Nintendo shooting themselves in the foot by offering a next-gen console that was below-par in the power department. While the XB360 and PS3 will be throwing around textured, light-sourced, bump mapped polygons like there's no tomorrow, the Revolution will be struggling to keep up I said. This is where you started banging on like a little fanboy that graphics were not important and that gameplay was king. Given the fact that EA etc. will be releasing games on all 3 formats, does it not seem unfortunate that the format you were supporting will have the inferior version when your attitude is now I'd rather have higher quality gfx myself?
I look forward to seeing what you post when you have your Revolution and the PS2 owners here have their PS3s. Will you then be tugging about graphics or gameplay? Does it depend on the weather? Do you roll a dice to see what you should say today? Or do you flip a coin?
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Oh, man. I LOVE these Eurogamer comments threads.
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You can speculate that the Rev will be under-powered but seeing as no one knows how much power its going to have (Capcom have said that they will port over RE5 if the console can handle it, so the developers have'nt even been informed), it seems like jumping to conclusions to me.
The other extra weapon that will appear in the PS2 version will be a crossbow, also a re-modeled Chainsaw controller is being released. The other extra is 5 extra missions staring Ada.
http://www. evilunleashed.com/v2/index.php
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Nintendo has never released a console and sold it at a loss. They have always made money from them - this is something all the fanboys are really happy about. Since they are only a games company and do not have the cash cows of MS and Sony (software and electronics in case I've lost you already) then this is the way they have to work.
Microsoft and Sony will be making substantial losses on their hardware, as even this website says.
Now, explain to me how Nintendo can put together a machine of equal specifications and sell it for a proffit, when neither Microsoft nor Sony (who even owns shares in the CPU that will be used) are able to do it.
Here are the possible solutions:
1. Nintendo consoles grow on trees, and all they need to do is harvest them.
2. Nintendo is able to persuade its manufacturers and suppliers to work for free. Or in fact, to pay Nintendo for buying from them.
3. Nintendo uses cheaper hardware, which by the very definition is either older or less powerful. Take a look in any magazine or on any website - the newest and most powerful are *ALWAYS* the most expensive.
Now, I'm looking forward to seeing which of those options you feel is the most realistic. Or perhaps you can offer your own possible solution? I'm all ears.
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You've got a great memory! I wish I had the resources to keep constant tabs on the opinions of the people on this board, and helpfully point out when they're contradicting themselves. Are you a journalist, by any chance?
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Lol.. Well i dont see how we've gone from whether i'd prefer widescreen or prettier graphics to whether or not i care about hi def games.
But as I dont own a hi def tv, and have no intention of buying one for the forseable future. And indeed if i was going to spend that much money on one, i'd much rather get a powerful pc. Yes, gareth, as you point out, i dont care the revolution doesnt have hidef. In fact, just like in this case, i'd much rather the power went to creating prettier low def graphics, with more lighting, more stuff on screen, etc than on hidef output i'm never going to see.
Give me a pc game on a low powered pc where i have to choose between detail and resolution.. and given the choice i'd turn up the graphics options to max first before i bother upping the resolution.
But i dont see what this has to do with my original point? Apart from just trolling?
"Nintendo has never released a console and sold it at a loss."
I'd ignore the rest of your post becasue that's rubbish for starters. But regardless, currently the ps2 is the least powerful machine and sells for approx Ģ110 quid new. The cube is easily more powerful and sells for approx Ģ50 new.
So that kinda puts a pisser on that argument doesnt it? But as i've pointed out in previous threads and you've stuck your fingers in your ears over.. No-one knows anything about revolution apart from 4 things we've been told:
1) it's small
2) it's as powerful as the other two
3) it'll be able to download old games via wifi connection
4) it doesnt have hidef output.
So unless you're going to stick to the facts of what we've been told, and not just go of on pure falicy make believe stuff, i suggest not talking at all? Especially when the thread is nothing to do with whatever it is you're ranting about?
Especially when all you're doing is going "ooh.. the next gen console im considering buying (although no little about yet) and isnt even out yet, nor have i seen games running on the completed hardware, is going to be better than another next gen console which we know next to nothing about... But you're obviously a fanboy of it as you've backed their decision to not use hidef"...
Gareth mate. I havent decided on ANY next gen console yet. And i wont until they're OUT and i've seen what GAMES are available on them. So sorry kid you wont win an argument like that with me. Now go run off and cry to your primary school teacher about it.
:-D
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Genji.. he has a SELECTIVE memory. If someone says, "actually i dont care about hidef games as i have no intention of buying a new tv for a long while", he reads that as "sony and microsoft sux, nintendo are kings, the ps3 is going to be poo", etc
and he then brings up the later in another thread which has got nothing to do with your original point! *sigh*
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nope ive been playing it on my 14" tv so it toatly fills the screen with no borders
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I agree that the Dual Shock is a better pad in general, but the left stick on the Dual Shock is not as good for fine aiming as the left stick on the GC pad. And that could be a problem for RE 4 on the PS2. I tried playing the Gc version using a third-party pad with analog sticks that were similar to those on a Dual Shock and it wasn't good.
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Neither do I. Who said anything about hi-definition? Certainly wasn't me. Please show me where I said *anything* about hi-defintion. It's pretty lame that you spouted a whole post (and a pretty long one at that) based on something no-one here - let alone me, your target - has said.
And then you have the nerve to accuse me of 'selective memory' and making stuff up? You really are a first class prick.
1) it's small
2) it's as powerful as the other two
Then perhaps they can tell us how they are going to dissipate all of the heat that comes from a 3ghz+ IBM PowerPC chip in such a small box? Cos no-one else has managed it. I'm sure Steve Jobs would love to know cos it's giving him serious problems with his laptops.
Or maybe you're just talking shit and they will in fact have a slower CPU in there?
I see. "Then" (hint!) your code is faulty though and won't execute.
if (anyoneActuallyCaresEnough == true) {
person = "pretty pedantic";
}
Care to run that through your compiler?
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Prick
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And if you didn't like my post then perhaps you should try popping your thumb out from your arse and stop being such a pedantic little idiot? I don't know if you were expecting some kind of badge or medal there, but you won't get one from me so don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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As opposed to a friendly hostile attitude? I had no idea such a thing existed.
Oh and I'm only aggressive with mongs who are too backward and simple to appreciate common sense (See smelly and his chums).
I think you're a tosser
Ooops, was I supposed to care what a degenerate thinks about me? I'm sorry to disappoint if I was. Why don't you go and play on the road, kid?
you belong on this site
Hey if you have something to say to the users of this site I'm sure they'd rather you said it directly to them. No-one likes a 2-faced little shite, do they smelly?
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Itīs the only system that could do justice to this great game, with proper graphical display allied to a decent widescreen/progressive mode...
WWWHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?
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I think you'll find that at least one system has already done it more than enough justice.