US lawyer links GTA with US school murder plot News

Parasitic smartass grabber! >:(

A stupid, psychotic teen guy's problem does not lie in violent videogames!
...maybe his parents should look somewhere else.

Killing simulators?!? This cannot be serious!

I would love to ask that Yank lawyer this

"So you think that a video game with cartoon graphics is what set this young boy off? You don't happen to think it might have been the 20 gun shops he passed on the way to school every day which he was legally entitled to go into and have a good look around at REAL guns and REAL ammunition, you don't think that might have had an effect at all?"

I think he's right because we all learn how to kill people with a gamepad, and the AI is as advanced as the real humans' intelligence. /sets his homing missiles to target stupid lawyers.

can we read somewhere words from this genius?

Oh FFS, there should be some kind of law against twats like this, never mind video games! The industry should be able to get a restraining order or something preventing him from speaking publically about games, surely it damages the industry and costs people's jobs whether it is a baseless sham or not.

It's almost as if Rockstar are paying this man to sell their games. First he puts Manhunt back into the charts, now he's causing a load of hype for GTA:SA, which is conveniently out in a couple of weeks. They must love all the free advertising!

"The technique of killing civilians and then first-responders when they get there is the primary scenario to win in all the Grand Theft Auto games,"

Erm, no its not.

Anyway - isn't GTA 18 certified in the US ? If so how did he get a copy ?

I suppose his parents could have bought it - but then its never the parents fault - is it ?

"The technique of killing civilians and then first-responders when they get there is the primary scenario to win in all the Grand Theft Auto games," - points out he's never played the game!

and second - it'll do nothing but bump GTA up the charts

and third - the fact that Manhunt was found in the victims house

and fourth - "has yet to actually win a case against a videogame publisher" - HA HA HA, excuse my childish laughter.

why doesnt he sue the gun makers and the bullet makers? sue the medium not the alleged cause! Tosser!

Don't worry boys, I'll sort this one out. I know where he lives, and what he looks like. I'll get over there pronto, sneak up on him, and suffocate the fucker with a bag.

Um...


No, wait...

Nah, what you wanna do is go up to the roof and get your armour, grab the rocket launcher from the alleyway, steal a sports car and hide until the police forget about it and then drive up to his house and crash the car so badly into his hedge/fence that it blows up, and fire a rocket straight into his bewildered face.

The washington sniper / halo thing is the best one he has come up with.

This wasn't his, but I also liked the linking of Columbine to Final Fantasy.

These people are so creative they should be designing the games. We'd never see their plot twists coming.

I'd love to see an interview with him.

So killing pedestrains and ambulance workers is essential to completing the game. You know, if he had a level that looked like his school, I might have bought it - it is a violent game - but this is beyond grasping for straws. Perhaps they should also sue the makers of Chess (India?) if they find a chess board in his room - after all, that can teach you tactical movement... Knight to teacher!

btw 'manhunt' was a huge bait on rockstar's behalf and they all bought it!

The 18 certified does mean that they do not think children under the age of 18 is capable of dealing with a videogame that portrays violence...

If you really do believe that; I think you can completely blame the killing on a game as well...

"The 18 certified does mean that they do not think children under the age of 18 is capable of dealing with a videogame that portrays violence..."

Nope, it means that the BBFC believe that.

Before Video games/films/music what the hell did people blame for the reason their child went out and murdered people. and it did happen you can look it up, murders have been commited by children for years/decades/ages.

so in the 1800 what/who did they blame? ye olde rockstar?

as a rule we're quick to pass the blame as we don't want appear responsible! "wasn't me guv"

i've been watching 18 videos from a very early age (which i think was irresponsible of my parents) and to this day have not committed a violent offence or adding to that any sort of offence! i guess this is due to knowing what's right and what's wrong, being taught well by those who raised me!

I don't see why we should look directly at the games industry the music industry or the film industry when one phsycho does something stupid.

>so in the 1800 what/who did they blame?

"He must be a devil child! BURN HIM!"

mad_caddy, masturbation led to madness and premature death... So, I guess they'd blame whatever they found funneh to blame at the time.

Honestly, way before GTA, in 1500, teenager bitches, simulated attacks, and blamed commoners on villages, saying that XYZ had casted a spell on them, so those people were dragged by the inquisition, tortured with instruments that'll make you throw up, just to think on how they are used and eventually killed. So, before GTA, they blamed spirits, different clothes, or maybe using more the left hand, or being blind/mute...

Let's go blame genetics!

Royal Fool, offsprings were to blame for their parents beaviour. If the father was a thief, so should the son be... and as weird as it might sound it makes some sense - although humans ain't THAT 2d, and what defines our ways into society isn't just our genetic heritage, but our personal social experience as well.

He must be right about it being a killing simulator used by gangs, surely? I mean before the GTA series came about, millions of criminals were bewildered by the fact that once they went on a murderous rampage, police showed up. They _needed_ the game to help them make that connection of cause and effect...

THIS is his website...
with email address... ;)

can we read somewhere words from this genius?

www.stopkill.com. Don't go there if you are of a nervous disposition, it may make you want to damage the man. IGN had a great article a few months ago (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/536/536062p1.html), which seems to have been edited since I last read it, annotingly. Used to have lots of quotes from Jack Thompson saying things like "We have them in our sights and are going to blow them out of the water". He probably realised this language may have been prompted by videogames, and sued himself.

Max

From the website:

"One current horrific example is a video game made available by Sony and Take-Two Interactive called Manhunt. This game allows you to train yourself to kill people by placing plastic bags over their heads while you watch them struggle while suffocating."

I object. Firstly, as has been said before, it's available on Xbox and PC too. But mainly, you don't get "trained" to suffocate someone. Surely everyone knows that humans can't breathe through plastic. And anyone who puts a bag over someone else's head knows it won't be good for them. How does that person need a game to tell them this?

What they would need training in, is how to get the bloody bag over the targets head while the target was thrashing around, fighting back and actively objecting to the whole affair.

It's hardly just a question of pressing "square" is it? I reckon some form of physical training might be necessary.

i'm still waiting for someone to sue walt disney for tom and jerry - how violent? Makes me want to smack people with frying pans, that's for sure.
How about the simpsons? they bought us itchy and scratchy and show us how to blow people up regularly!

Ban them, BAN THEM ALL!! MWuahhahahahah

I believe some of these psychotic teens are also cruel to animals, so it must be the pet shop's fault that they turn out how they are,
Or maybe they saw an episode of dawson's creek and that turned them into mindless killers.

the point is, any number of links between violent behaviour and every day activities could be made, but maybe there would be more progress, if instead of pointing the finger and worrying about little timmy's disposition after a game of tetris. Parents actually taught kids to be nice to each other instead of passing the blame and expecting the rest of society to sort it out.

I'm right about dawson's creek though!

I dunno... I find stuff like Evangelion more depressing. The borderline betwen insanity and sanity sometimes is so thin... then again, I did get hit in the head as a child quite often (t'is true)

I'm going to play pikmin so I can learn how to make him do random tasks like open doors and knock down walls.

I see he is religious as well...

>I see he is religious as well...

Yep. Far Christian Right all the way. Which makes it surprising that he blamed Halo for John Allen Muhammad's sniper run. Instead of Islam.

But I suppose there is less money in suing Muslims since other people in the US are kind of on top of that one already.

the kid would have done it he was so close, on his way had to jump on the top of turtles heads then do a loop the loop collecting rings before rocket jumping over the school fence

then realised he hadn't b82b43b8b84b86 and totally forgot all his weapons

an elderly eyewittnesses was quoted saying "wft lolz noob, pwnd"


/lick american idiot dog brain

wasnt John Allen Muhammad an ex military guy or something anyway?
so after leaving that he went on to train on Halo....i see!

Computer games clearly do not afect the way we behave... if they did, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills whilst listening to repetitive music ;)

This guy must really want this game to sell more than it will already! Classic Rockstar strategy!

Stupid US legal System, that guy should get a 'Stella' award.
Idiot Lawyers like that should be stuck off for even bringin that case

If the US legal system had any" Standards" there wouldnt be IDIOTS LIKE THIS TAKING STTOOOOOOOPID FRICKIN CASES LIKE THIS. :|
that is all.

I always wonder, do those people actaulyl fully realize how stupid the things are that they're spouting out in their press releases?

The fact that GTA is based on real world crime not the other way around.
Gangs kill people so Rockstar made a game about it, not the other way around.

The guy gets his ass handed to him every time:

trained by the US military, not video games
victim owned Manhunt not the defendand

Why does he even bother?

he may be onto something.......i'm planning to use jet set willy to prepare myself for clearing out the loft..... and when half life 2 comes out i'm gonna use it to er prepare to erm sort the garden out...... you hear that suzie? ... its preparation

Shinchan, you're forgetting that in the wrong hands, EVERYTHING will promote violence.

Even little white bunny rabbits.

i believe there was a very old game (can't remember what system but believe it was on the atari) in which you played a cowboy with wood and you had to get from one side of the screen to the other so you could rape the tied up native american woman! nah! not violent!

Video games have always been evil, i remember a game called leapster in which you had to jump over moving traffic, or get run over!

now that didnt get blamed when kids played chicken!

>now that didnt get blamed when kids played chicken!

The press were too busy blaming violent videos at the time. Now they are something that we show to kids to stop them playing games.

That'll do the trick. No worries.

If you ask me my opinion if game influence our actions, yes they do. Specially "kids", who are more suceptible to violence and sex, they shouldn't contact such violent and sexual media when underage...
Which is all the point. They shouldn't be playing the game for starters, it's not the game that turns their heads, but the repeated violence (which can be accumulated through TV, videogames or even music), that eventually distorts their already twisted visions of reality. Now, I know, firsthand, that a kid won't go beserk after playing GTA. I played GTA1 I was still a kid, and my cousins likewise. But we have something this kids don't. Parents. But parents ain't to blame for giving no attention or social education to their kids. The truth is, whomever got them the games is to blame. Personally I'd make a law similar to the already existing ones on the movie business, that would see fines and possibly emprisonment to someone selling 18+ games to a minor. That's the whole problem. Sure the parents should teach their kids to behave, but ignoring their kids it's their decision... Shops want to profit no matter what (publishers as well), so they don't have any problem selling GTA to a kid... With such a law, being enforced, the kids would be forced to take their parents with them to buy the game - giving them the responsibility of the media kids consume.

Obviously this isn't as simple as that. There is a great deal of piracy going on arround the world. Kids this day, with internet and broadband don't need to set foot in a shop to get the latest game (and usually they won't because kids usually don't have the money to buy games), but I can't blame piracy either for it either. Here the fault is the parents, because they gave such a broad media medium to their kids.

Of course that internet is a great tool. Videogames, movies and music great entertainment. And we all know we saw porn, watched the latest 18+ flick, etc when we were still 18-... And kids will always get their hands on media which is not "suitable" for them. The real awnser to stop this stupid kids going bananas with dad's AK47 Special Collector's Edition, is 2 things. First, restrict weapon access - in Portugal no one can buy a gun just for personal protection... Seccond, parents should start tending their kids again... you know like in the old times, when psicobullcrappers didn't teach us how to treat the kids. Kids would be smacked in the ass when they diserved. Nowadays "they" say have a conversation with the child. Ever tryed to have a conversation with a child? With all this protection surrounding them this days (and at the same time lack of), kids are all growing to be wrotten spoiled psicothic brats. I tell ya, next time your kid does some shit at school, wallop him with the back of your hand really strong. If you do it right, and scare him enough, he'll think twice before doing it again.

We can't reason with kids. They are unreasonable. They are KIDs. Ence we have to institute our social behaviour laws, through respect and fear. Sounds bad, but it has always been like that. And it's like teaching a dog to take his morning dump outside of the house. Once it is taught, it should stick for the rest of his life.

guns are readily available in canada yet they have some of the lowest rates of gun crime and indeed crime in the world

I blame society!

/get's coat!

mad_caddy, but you are canadians. You, unlike other stupid humans, don't seem to glorify violence. Look at your armed forces. I mean, I know we spend lot's of our budget buying 3rd hand submarines... which is stupid because Portugal would be rapped by anyone in a war anyway, but the real reason for the submarines being bought, was that the jet7 could take trips in it.

But everywhere outside of Canada, people cherish people killing maiming and torturing each other. People download real movies released by terrorists slitting throats and shooting people in the head, because they find it amusing... Rotten society. Canada is quite high in a place I'd like to live in... 4th to London, Japan, and Finland.

I might move to the US and become a Lawyer. Sounds like a bloody easy job.

8% of the Americans have a law degree. That's why there are so many stupid cases. Because there are far too many people trying to be a lawyer. I guess it's quite hard to make a living out of it though...

Doesn't Unreal Tournament come from Canada...? :P

For the record i'm British not canadian

8%? I think that's a bit of wrong statistic. By them counts over 20million Americans have law degrees.