Kutaragi slags off rivals

By Ellie Gibson Published 9 June, 2005

Can't they all just get along?

As the next-gen console war heats up, Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has launched an(other) attack on his company's competitors.

In an interview with Japanese website Watch Impress, Kutaragi confirmed Sony's commitment to making the PS3 a console for grown-ups - undoubtedly a response to Nintendo's recent talk of 'All-Access Gaming' for the whole family.

"From the start, we intended to make not just a game machine for kids, but a computer for entertainment that adults throughout the world could enjoy," says Ken.

"Other companies may talk of game machines, but we've always referred to 'computer entertainment,' even in our press materials. It's entertainment and also a computer. That's what's important."

Kutaragi went on to take a swing at Microsoft, accusing J Allard and co of doing nothing more than playing catchup.

"This time, Microsoft has stated clearly that it is going after PlayStation. However, they're going not after the PlayStation 3, but the PlayStation 2. They were looking at 2, and that's why [Xbox 360] became like that," he reckons.

Kutaragi compared the current next-gen battle with the one that was fought by the PS1 and 3DO, saying there are clear parallels in terms of how the console specs have been interpreted.

"People probably won't be able to understand the difference between PS3 and Xbox 360 if the spec charts are just lined up," apparently.

"However, at E3, a suitable number of people said that they were glad they came and saw rather than just looking at the specs. When the PS3 is actually released, this will spread and people will come to understand."

The SCE president then talked about the power of the PS3's Cell technology versus the inner workings of its rivals: "Other companies may have high definition graphics, but the internals are the same. For the most part, they don't do calculations. For the most part, they don't do physics - they just add movement through motion capture.

"Even if you display beautiful high definition visuals, you can't immediately tell if it's being calculated in real time by the Cell," Kutaragi continues.

"However, if you look closely, the difference between things that are being calculated and things that are simply being changed and moved is clear."

It's all about real-time, essentially, as the PS3 demos on show at E3 proved, says Ken: "They used real-time on-the-fly calculations rather than pre-rendering and pre-calculations. For the graphics too, determining which movements to make were all calculated."

We're not sure we completely understand what he's on about, in all honesty, but it's clear that the emphasis is on calculators.

And finally, Kutaragi explained - sort of - why the PS3 doesn't contain a separate sound chip: "It's obvious... Because [the audio] is all calculated [through Cell]. Sound is not the about the number of voices, but is itself an object." Righty ho.

So there you have it - the latest shot across Microsoft's bows from the good ship Sony. What next? Allard calls Kutaragi a "little bitch"? Iwata says Xbox 360 "looks a bit gay"? It's everything to play for...

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Comments (106) Latest comment 7 years ago

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  • smelly #1 7 years ago

    cue the fangirls...

  • Derblington #2 7 years ago

    Eat that arnieofdarkness!

  • drumbaby #3 7 years ago

    apparently

  • octo #4 7 years ago

    This is what I want to see.

    Ken dressed as Ronald Mcdonald eating a fistful of gherkins.

  • mattigan #5 7 years ago

    This is what I want to see.

    Ken dressed as Ronald Mcdonald eating a fistful of gherkins.

    Calculated in real time!!

  • Tonka #6 7 years ago

    we've always referred to 'computer entertainment' ... It's entertainment and also a computer.

    Aha, now I get it. Actually no... It's what now? An entertaining computer? Could you please explain that one more time.

  • darkmistx #7 7 years ago

    Getting in before the inevitable flamewar starts.

  • Kengro #8 7 years ago

    That guy needs a jawlock. He is plain stupid

  • mattigan #9 7 years ago

    If you can't immediately tell the difference between Cell & Hi Deff graphics, then. . .

    What's the difference?

  • Blerk #10 7 years ago

    Iwata says Xbox 360 "looks a bit gay"?

    lol!

  • Tonka #11 7 years ago

    If you can't immediately tell the difference between Cell & Hi Deff graphics, then. . .

    What's the difference?

    You can't tell...
    Edited by 1 at 09/06/05 @ 12:06

  • mattigan #12 7 years ago

    Then what's the point of waiting for the PS3? You may as well get a 360

  • IronGiant #13 7 years ago

    More waffle.. still, i'm happy to sit back enjoy current gen games and wait to check out all 3 new machines at leisure :)

  • octo #14 7 years ago

    Iwata and Kutaragi say:

    "Anyone who buys an xbox360 is the Devil"

    Krusty the Clown replies: "ME LIKEY VERY MUCH!!!!"

  • phAge #15 7 years ago

    Sweet Jesus does that man talk some *serious* bollocks. Even *if* the PS3 is more powerful than the X360 (a distinct possibillity) - he sure as fuck don't know it.

    "For the most part, they don't do physics - they just add movement through motion capture".

    Thats just... retarded, Ken.

  • Darkedge #16 7 years ago

    The battle must be bloody close if Ken's going to go on record like that. Sony are a little worried.

  • mattigan #17 7 years ago

    He should change his name to Ken Retaradi.

  • #18 7 years ago

    told you so

  • Madder-Max #19 7 years ago

    Sounds just like the spouting liquid pooh that was everywhere about the emotion engine in the PS2...

    Putting everything on one chip cant be a good thing surely and doesn't the 5.1 in the Xbox calculate the sound in real time?

  • asphaltcowboy #20 7 years ago

    What the f*ck is he talking about?

  • ToxicTed #21 7 years ago

    Remember back in one of the first issues of Official Playstation Magazine 2, from E3 2001 when the specs of Xbox just had been made official. A whole page of young Ken having a go at Xbox and everything that was wrong with it, and how it was so much more inferior to his own Playstation 2. And he was oh so right back then, wasn't he?

    Do not trust this man.

  • WhiteSaturn #22 7 years ago

    Hmm, strange but if you look at the design of the Cell chip it will most likely be at a disadvantage compared to the 360 when calculating physics and AI

    Its all to do with cache size and PPC and SPE and other stuff I vaguely remember, but there was a big deal about both chips being crappy for that sort of stuff at the GDC

  • #23 7 years ago

    it seems eurogamer look the other way when kutaragi speaks.

    where's the pages of criticism we had when allard stepped out of line? are there any editorials in the works to discuss kutaragi's inane comments?

    no? thought not.

  • JHuxley #24 7 years ago

    "where's the pages of criticism we had when allard stepped out of line?"

    I thought there was an obvious line of cynicism running through the entire article, but maybe you missed it.

  • beep #25 7 years ago

    It's all just waffle. Anyone who takes this crap seriously is the one with the problem.

    Enjoy your games instead of whining.

  • tpfkanep #26 7 years ago

    The more I hear this guy speak, the more he leaves a bitter after-taste in my mouth... no more sucking for me.

  • freedumb #27 7 years ago

    'We're not sure we completely understand what he's on about, in all honesty, but it's clear that the emphasis is on calculators.'

    Witty comment of the week

    Edited by 1 at 09/06/05 @ 12:42

  • Ulgen #28 7 years ago

    I see alot of you misunderstand what he meant by calculating. Let me explain how I see it.

    What we're used to from games so far are animations, made by artists in 3D-modelling software. The better the animations, the more lifelike the character.

    Not on the PS3. (At least on the techdemos seen so far.) I think he means that the movement is not pre-animated, but calculated on the fly. The characters calculate how to move, where to put the limbs, to be able to do stuff, like running and sitting.

    Take a look at the KillZone trailer again. Noticed those guys jumping out of those crafts when they land? They jump, they land, but they start running in the middle of the "stand up"-"animation". Normally, what we've seen, they'd first play the "jump out"-animation, which includes the "stand up"-animation. When that's done, they'll play the "start running"-animation, which goes over in the "running"-animation.

    See my point? In the KillZone demo, this isn't pre-animated. It's calculated on the fly! Physics is so much more than ragdoll and bounding boxes. This is the next level, and I hope XBox360 devs pick up the thread, 'cuz pre-animation will quickly look stiff when the PS3 comes along...

    (Damn, this was rather much for a comment... ;p )
    Edited by 1 at 09/06/05 @ 13:04

  • JHuxley #29 7 years ago

    Ulgen - I hear what you're saying, but the Killzone trailers were pre-rendered. So too Motorstorm.

  • Tweakmonkey #30 7 years ago

    This time, Microsoft has stated clearly that it is going after PlayStation. However, they're going not after the PlayStation 3, but the PlayStation 2.

    This was clever.

    For the most part, they don't do physics - they just add movement through motion capture.

    This wasn't.

  • smelly #31 7 years ago

    "Then what's the point of waiting for the PS3? You may as
    well get a 360 "

    May as well get a pc.. as all the games seem to be pc conversions anyway.. oh look.. i've already got one, using it to type this.. Just before I go off to play gta:sa on it..

    I'll do what i did this gen then.. wait for pc conversions of the games i want to play on the other 2.. and buy nintendo machine for great games...

  • Netfreak #32 7 years ago

    Ken talks like Itagaki, except he is not that funny.

  • smelly #33 7 years ago

    "In the KillZone demo, this isn't pre-animated. It's calculated on the fly!"

    Well it wasnt but even if it was.. like a replay in (for example) gran toursimo.. making a animation look pretty on the fly is a lot easier than making a real time engine look good on the fly.

    anyone thinking that they'll actually be playing games to the quality of that in game will be very much mistaken.

    Makign things look good with pre-determined camera angles, lighting, etc etc is easy.. doing same wizardry with an in game camera less so.

    So much so, that when it comes to all the fps/racing games you'll end up seeing.. i doubt joe bloggs on the street could see the difference between those games on his xbox and the so called next gen.

    Which, i believe is nintendos point of.. "it's not how much power, it's what you do with it".

    Why will joe bloggs upgrade if he cant see any real difference? It's not going to be like the difference between ps1 and xbox. Case in point : How many people out there believe that the ps2 is more powerful than the cube, for instance? If they cant see the difference there.. will they really care for next gen?

  • bionutz #34 7 years ago

    Ken didn't play Halo apparently. Now, that's some physics I didn't see on the PS2!

  • JHuxley #35 7 years ago

    "anyone thinking that they'll actually be playing games to the quality of that in game will be very much mistaken."

    And how do you know exactly? The Killzone trailers may be pre-rendered but that doesn't mean we won't be playing games looking that good sometime over the next few years. Maybe even on the Revolution.

    ARGH! I promised myself I wouldn't repond to fanboy posts. I just can't help myself :'(

  • mcmonkeyplc #36 7 years ago

    J. Alltard and Ken Retardi a match made in heaven!

    It appears the fangirls are assembling!

  • deaner #37 7 years ago

    People seem to be getting worked-up over nothing.

    Ken (albeit in a confused and misguided manner) seems to be trying to explain that in the PS3, Sony have tried to rework how games are interpreted from raw information into what the player sees and hears.

    He seems to claim that the Cell will interpret data from a more basic lower level than current consoles, allowing for more variables to be included. This should in turn allow for better physics etc.

    He claims that in the XBox360, the data is interpreted into the player experience in a similar way in which current generation consoles do. Therefore pointing out that although the lights are brighter and the gloss shinier, there's not really anything new there to enhance the gaming experience.

    He could have a valid point, or it could be another Emotion Engine.

  • deaner #38 7 years ago

    It's also worth pointing out that Sony have said that what was shown of PS3 visuals at E3 were video recordings of material that was being created on the fly and that was because in a live presentation, it is just prudent to do so. Otherwise you end up with another 'Gates98'/'Blue Screen of Death' fiasco.

    So yes, what you saw of Killzone was created on the fly, but the output was captured on video, and then shown to you.

    So to say it was pre-rendered is somewhat inaccurate.

  • Dizzy #39 7 years ago

    >So to say it was pre-rendered is somewhat inaccurate.

    To say that someone actually belives that is somewhat stupid.

    PS3 will not be able to do anything that 360 cannot do. Nuff said. The only difference might be 6 months extra speed.... but like I said. The 360 CPU is actually newer than Cell and based on cell tech, it could be the *real* next gen.

  • Ulgen #40 7 years ago

    @JHuxley: I know those demos where pre-rendered. But they show a bit of what Sony has up it's sleeves. Right now, I really want a PS3, but believe me, I'll check out those gameplay movies to see if Sony has delivered before I run out an buy one. If the actual presentation (graphics and physics) in KillZone and Motor Storm is not on par with the trailers seen on E3, Sony can cram that breadbox up their a**. ;-)


    @smelly: No, it wasn't the camera angles that impressed me. I know how the right editing can make anything look cool; that's why I only download actual gameplay movies from new games (GameSpot is a marvel there) to see if they're any good. I know that the camera angles that make replays in GT4 look so good would never work when you actually played the game, and therefore your bound to the normal boring angles (behind or inside the car). Which in turn makes the game look more conventional when you actually play the game than on the trailers shown.

    No, KillZone showed another quality. It seems it's about to overcome some shortcuts made in other games so far. Ever noticed that developers only use ragdoll physics on dead enemies? Ever noticed how dead terrorists in Counter Strike: Source are flung all over the place by grenades, but a barely surviving one (standing right next to the explosion) stands firmly? When you shoot them or 'nade them and they don't die, they have the usual "ouch I'm hit"-animation, until their health is depleted, and all of a sudden they're slapped around like a... yeah, a ragdoll. Why can't they use ragdoll physics on an enemy that is still alive? The reason is simple: Where would the "stand up"-animation start? You don't know how the model is lying when you create the "stand up"-animation. It could be lying on the floor, hanging over a railing, or sloped against the wall.

    This, I believe, is about to change, with the technology KillZone is showing. Now the character would be able to calculate how to get up (and still seem convincing) after being thrown into a pile of rubble.

  • WhiteSaturn #41 7 years ago

    The PS3 TECH DEMOS were real time. That means the rubber duckies etc. KillZone was an interpretation of what the next gen KillZone will look like. So says man from Guerrilla. That means it was prrrreeee-rendered.

    Also the final design for the PS3 GPU hasn't even been finalised. There are no prototype chips at all. The demos were running on the next gen Nvidia PC card, in SLI mode no less. Thats straight from an Nvidia conference. So the real time demos that were shown were running on at LEAST £1200 of graphics card alone.

    Also seems strange that these cards would even work with the cell, more likely they were connected to a nice PC with liquid cooling overclocked to hell, that one is from my imagination though.

  • Feanor #42 7 years ago

    Nope, it was prerendered.

  • Khanivor #43 7 years ago

    The dude was speaking absolute bollocks. Yet the continuation of bollocks post-E3 leads me to consider that Sony may actualy be getting scared over the reality of the next-gen, rather then the shite that's been spouted to incite the fanbois.

  • octo #44 7 years ago

    Someone kill me immediately.

  • smelly #45 7 years ago

    as i said.. it doesnt matter.. the games wont ever look that good for a variety of reasons.

  • Ulgen #46 7 years ago

    "PS3 will not be able to do anything that 360 cannot do. Nuff
    said."

    Correct. And the games' quality are in the hands of the developers.

    The difference seems to that the PS3 developers are willing to go new ways to create impressive games, but the XBox360 devs are a bit stuck in the old PC-dogma of "wait until ATi and nVidia puts more features in the gfx hardware, and then exploit that to make better looking games". They don't take the responsibility in their own hands. They just "run with the mill", to exaggerate a bit. Yes they innovate, but not with the presentation. There wasn't one single game that really impressed me on E3 from the XBox360. Yes they looked good, but only so much as you'd expect from more powerful hardware. But what was seen from the PS3? Wow!!! And that wasn't thanks to camera angles and more detailed textures...

  • sephy #47 7 years ago

    I like the way some people are bitching about Kutaragi, but forgetting the utter bollocks Iwata was coming out with on a weekly basis around DS launch (and this is a company who told everyone at E3 that they like being second)

  • deaner #48 7 years ago

    Pre-recorded is not the same as pre-rendered.

    Dizzy: "PS3 will not be able to do anything that 360 cannot do."

    That's just ridiculous conjecture.

  • Ulgen #49 7 years ago

    smelly wrote: "as i said.. it doesnt matter.. the games wont ever look that good for a variety of reasons."

    I guess we'll see when the PS3 is released. And I really, really, really hope you're wrong. ;) But I'm prepared to be disappointed...

  • trevd72 #50 7 years ago

    basically what he is saying i think is that motion capture takes a serious of movment and uses these to animate a footbalelr for example in pro evo. with physics the players move according to physics, the animation is calculated on the fly according to what is happening and the environment.

    that what i think he means by:

    "For the most part, they don't do physics - they just add
    movement through motion capture".

  • Yaz #51 7 years ago

    "Pre-recorded is not the same as pre-rendered."

    Deaner, if you look at EVERY comment from Sony regarding Killzone, they say everything except "Yes guys, all that you saw in Killzone was running in real-time on PS3 hardware". You will not find any such comment ANYWHERE. Instead they say things like "It's all gameplay" or "It's representative of the game" or "It uses ingame assets" etc.

    For the PS3 demos, the Unreal engine demo, Fight Night etc, you will find CLEAR statements that they were running in real-time.

    Phil Harrison confirmed that for the tape of PS3 games, some was real-time and some was rendered (or they say 'done to spec').

    Hence it's clear to me that Killzone and Motor Storm are not real-time demonstrations, overwise Sony would have made this clear from the beginning.

  • deaner #52 7 years ago

    Yaz: "Hence it's clear to me that Killzone and Motor Storm are not
    real-time demonstrations, overwise Sony would have made this
    clear from the beginning."

    You're free to draw what conclusions you may, but it's unwise to assume that these aren't representative of the visuals that the console is capable of just because you didn't get to see him switch on a console and load them up.

    The only way is up.

  • Polymath #53 7 years ago

    @Ulgen
    Actually, to say that Sony is alone in pioneering the use of real-time calculations is neglecting the fact that MS and MSR have implemented this type of technology for graphics -- There've been a number of tech articles about this already, pertaining to trees, grass, and the like. Calculating on the fly is where the next quantum leap in "realistic graphics" is going to come from. Pre-rendered art costs a lot of time and money, whereas algorithms that build a form from kernels... complete with variations -- sort of digital graphics DNA... that's got a lot of potential.

    The XBOX apparently will use this process to reduce graphics bandwidth between the GPU and CPU, so... it's already being implemented.

    More to the point... let's just wait until we have the games on hand. Without effective implementation in actual games, tech demos are worthless.

  • Polymath #54 7 years ago

    @ Deaner
    The converse is also true.

  • deaner #55 7 years ago

    Polymath...

    I love you and I want to have your babies.

  • Yaz #56 7 years ago

    "You're free to draw what conclusions you may, but it's
    unwise to assume that these aren't representative of the
    visuals that the console is capable of just because you
    didn't get to see him switch on a console and load them up."

    Whether the console is capable of such visuals or not is a different arguement to whether what we saw was real-time or pre-rendered. I'm not saying it's pre-rendered because it's impossible, I'm saying so because at present, those appear to be the facts.

    My opinion of Killzone is that the finished game 'may' exceed that movie in certain ways, but will probably be worse in others, such as framerate (perhaps) and especially the models which are perfect in that movie (perfect curves with no visible polygon edges to be seen). I expect models with less polygons and extra detail added through normal mapping (as in Doom3, only better). Overall, even with less detail, they could still maintain the look and feel of that movie, just not quite to the same quality in certain areas.

    We'll see. :)
    Edited by 1 at 09/06/05 @ 16:36

  • deaner #57 7 years ago

    Mark Rein:

    "But most of those movies, which I probably watched 3 or 4 during rehearsals for the event, look very achievable and some were probably rendered on the actual box but in non-real-time. When a system is year away, heck even with a system is 6 months away, it is reasonable to expect the power of the dev kits would still only be a fraction of the power of the final system.

    I know we'll certainly be able to achieve much more on the final box than we were able to show in our demo after working with the early dev kit for only ~2 months. As Tim mentioned our demo only really showed off the power of RSX and then still we're talk about an RSX that's nowhere near as fast as the final one will be. When we get home from E3 we'll also start diving seriously into the power of the cell processor. This is a very powerful system!

    Sony's cell demos were extremely cool and inspiring but are totally achievable, and over time even surpassable, by third developers like us because, as Tim Sweeney said, the development environment is made up of parts we're already intimately familiar with: OpenGL, NVIDIA graphics, Linux, and PowerPC."

  • GuiltySpark #58 7 years ago

    i dont think anyones gonna be able to afford a god damn ps3 anyway

  • #59 7 years ago

    Deaner just wrote this thread's equivilant of STFU :)

    Well quoted Deaner :)

  • Lothar Hex #60 7 years ago

    Every spokesman for every company makes my head hurt, but Kutagari talks the most bollocks out of all of them. I like the fact he's still claiming everything shown was real time, where as it has been proved most of the E3 stuff was CGI video.

    NOW WATCH AS KUTAGARI WRESTLES A BEAR! RAAAARGH!

  • Carrybagma #61 7 years ago

    Who is Mark Rein? Not a Sony guy, surely?

    The EG E3 coverage and subsequent articles suggested that the E3 demos were run off a cell - not the RSX. Is this not true?

  • RealFolkBlues #62 7 years ago

    @Kutaragi- I'll believe it when I see it. 32 times more powerful than a PS2? I don't believe that for a heartbeat. The PS3 will no doubt be very powerful, and more than likely will have the best stats out of the next generation, but then again, this could also be yet another "Blast Processing." I'm reserving my judgement, for now.

  • captain-future #63 7 years ago

    hahar but a computer for entertainment that adults throughout the world could enjoy.

    h.m.p. and glay'z are happy to hear that "adults" part...

  • Yaz #64 7 years ago

    "But most of those movies, which I probably watched 3 or 4 during rehearsals for the event, look very achievable and some were probably rendered on the actual box but in non-real-time."

    Yes, I read that at the time, but it doesn't alter the comments I made, especially as Mark agrees that certain footage was probably not running in realtime, and that MOST of the movies look very achievable (notice he doesn't stick his neck out and say ALL the movies). So as I said, the question of whether Killzone was real-time or whether it will be possible on the PS3 is a different issue.

    I've given my opinions on how I think Killzone will turn out above. What's your thoughts on the matter? Do you agree? Do you feel it will be 100% like the movie in every respect? Do you feel it will be better? Or even worse perhaps?

    Carrybagma, Mark Rein is president of Epic Games.
    Edited by 4 at 09/06/05 @ 18:37

  • Dizzy #65 7 years ago

    >Dizzy: "PS3 will not be able to do anything that 360 cannot do."

    >That's just ridiculous conjecture.

    No it's called Moore's Law...

    There are rules to this game. Sony people seem to forget the laws of physics sometimes...
    Edited by 1 at 09/06/05 @ 18:44

  • #66 7 years ago

    what a bullshit thread.

    the ps3 exists only on paper, the cell processor isn't even finished. not a single one.

    how can you comment on it?

  • Galvanizer #67 7 years ago

    I appreciate how Ken Kutaragi has more beef with Microsoft then Sony.

    Ninty aren't really up against Sony anyway. They are going there own way. It's Microsoft that wanna top Sony and Kutarai knows that.

  • Yaz #68 7 years ago

    "the ps3 exists only on paper, the cell processor isn't even finished. not a single one."

    Er, Cell does exist, it's the RSX which isn't finished yet, therefore developers are currently using devkits with nVidia's 6800 Ultra (or twin 6800 Ultras?).

    Likewise for the XBox 360, although ATI's GPU exists (and was at E3 on ATI's booth), the 3 core CPU has yet to reach developers (but they will be getting it soon I believe, together with the final GPU in the beta devkits).
    Edited by 3 at 09/06/05 @ 19:08

  • Yaz #69 7 years ago

    "I appreciate how Ken Kutaragi has more beef with Microsoft then Sony"

    Yep, Microsoft are the real target, just as they were in 2001 when Kutaragi claimed the XBox was finished before it even begun and that the graphics were rough (and now have a GPU from the same company responsible for those 'rough' graphics :)).

  • savant #70 7 years ago

    Looks like Sony are running scared to me. Xbox360 looks like it has some serious clout. Check out the articles on arstechnica for some of the CPU details.

    Oh, and if anyone believes that the Killzone 2 demo is realtime _still_ then you deserve to be slapped. IT WAS PRE-RENDERED! Gah! I will eat my hat if the end game looks remotely like that CGI.

  • #71 7 years ago

    it was clearly pre-rendered.

    some people just live in a frikkin dreamworld.

  • space_ace #72 7 years ago

    wow
    not just games console, not just entertainment center, but also a calculator!

  • Darth_Flibble #73 7 years ago

    I really hope Ken Kutaragi is skull fucked to death, can't stand the moron and his bullshit hype

  • Ulgen #74 7 years ago

    @Polymath:
    I didn't say Sony invented the techology we see here, just that they seem to be the first to implement it in games available to me. MS and XBox360 does not seem to offer the same "quantum leap", even though they could, technically.

  • Les #75 7 years ago

    "The difference seems to that the PS3 developers are willing to go new ways to create impressive games, but the XBox360 devs are a bit stuck in the old PC-dogma of "wait until ATi and nVidia puts more features in the gfx hardware, and then exploit that to make better looking games"."

    What I understand from gathering information from various sources on the net, is that the 360 will follow the standard "stronger CPU, faster GPU" evolution of computer hardware. Yes, it'll use multiple processors instead of a single one, but you can't really call that innovative.

    Sony's Cell processor on the other hand follows a different path. It packs a ridiculous amount of processing power, but besides its SPUs are very flexible (and easy to program) and can be anything a programmer wants them to be. In the hands of a skilled development team, the PS3 should be able to do things that aren't possible on 360. Multi-platform games will probably not be the titles that will show PS3's true power.

  • BartonFink #76 7 years ago

    Said it in the forums this morning.
    Newsflash
    Ken Kutaragi - In man speaks utter bollox shocker - It's becoming all rather Emotion Engine.

    Methinks Sony are running scared and are mud slinging all over the place - Shit some of it might even stick.
    Edited by 1 at 09/06/05 @ 22:30

  • Dirtbox #77 7 years ago

    ..And there was me thinking the fanbois would run amock with this...

    ;)

  • deaddwarf #78 7 years ago

    ulgen - "but the XBox360 devs are a bit stuck in the old PC-dogma of "wait until ATi and nVidia puts more features in the gfx hardware, and then exploit that to make better looking games".

    Exactly my thoughts. ;)

  • belziah #79 7 years ago

    fanboys

    the doctor will see you now!

  • Captain-nippon #80 7 years ago

    Ken retardi have Phd. now you do you how stupid you are when you insult him. Bill Gate is a dropout and a thief. J. Alltard is a retarded rockstar wanna be.

    Father Ken is the mastermind that help sold 90 millions PS 2 Vs REALLY REALLY REALLY stupid J. Alltard and his 20 millions Xfart.

    So who is stupid the guy here? The guy that invent something that sold 90 millions units or the guy that invent something that sold 20 millions units.


    It's really funny how Ken said all the MS fanboys are stupid and even stupier and you still don't even know it.

  • Captain-nippon #81 7 years ago

    "" "I appreciate how Ken Kutaragi has more beef with Microsoft then Sony"

    Yep, Microsoft are the real target, just as they were in 2001 when Kutaragi claimed the XBox was finished before it even begun and that the graphics were rough (and now have a GPU from the same company responsible for those 'rough' graphics :)).""

    Was Ken wrong?

    Or did the Xfart been hiding in my dad underwear?

    PS 2 will have a 7 years cycle from 1999-2006. Xfart have a 4 year cycle from 2001-2005.

    So who's really scared here I wonder? MS was so afraid of Sony that they want to release next gen ahead of Sony, knowing they can't beat SONY.

    The number don't lies does it. Xfart was dead before it even got started. Sony will still continue to sell PS 2 even with the PS 3 launch, MS will discontinue the Xfart because no one want to smell like farts.

  • Genji #82 7 years ago

    Dear god.

  • BartonFink #83 7 years ago

    Good grief!

  • Ulgen #84 7 years ago

    "with the comments Sony is making attacking all its rivals it seems they are the ones who are scared."

    They all attack each other, MS, Sony and Nintendo, stating their platform is the better. It's just standard marketing war. As for scared, I think they're all scared. It'll be one titaneous battle when they're all on the stage. Allthough Nintendo is targetting a slightly different audience, they'll still rival over who's sold more.

  • Les #85 7 years ago

    "The 360 CPU is actually newer than Cell and based on cell tech"

    What both CPUs share is that they are built around the PowerPC platform. Development on the 360 CPU started after Cell development but it's not a 'newer' CPU, it's just a modified version of the standard G5 PowerPC processor and therefore didn't need as long a development cycle as the next-gen Cell processor. And it certainly doesn't contain 'cell tech', as the technology is owned by IBM, Toshiba and Sony, not just by IBM.

  • captain-future #86 7 years ago

    Ken retardi have Phd. now you do you how stupid you are when you insult him. Bill Gate is a dropout and a thief. J. Alltard is a retarded rockstar wanna be.
    (...)
    So who is stupid the guy here?

    some questions:

    a) PhD in what field?

    b) If Bill Gates is so stupid as you make him look, why is he so stinking rich?

    c) nice world view BTW. (academic = supertroopers, dropouts = morons)
    Edited by 1 at 10/06/05 @ 09:50

  • Dizzy #87 7 years ago

    >And it certainly doesn't contain 'cell tech', as the technology is owned by IBM, Toshiba and Sony, not just by IBM.

    Really?

    "IBM drew on the results of the same Broadband Processor Architecture (BPA) (== Cell) initiative that produced the Playstation 3's Cell processor in order to furnish the next-generation Xbox with a truly next-generation core that looks set to last at least the five-year life of the average game console." (http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-1.ars )

    I know it is nice to pretend Cell is some kind of incredible piece of technology...

  • w00t #88 7 years ago

    So...

    Ignoring the rivalry between to unreleased consoles for a second, this 'animation on the fly' stuff. Is it the same sort of thing that Will Wright is using in Spore? He calls it procedural animation, and the game calculates the animation for the crazy creatures you create based on it's shape and limb arrangement.

  • Yaz #89 7 years ago

    "Or did the Xfart been hiding in my dad underwear?"

    Well you should know, you write like someone who only emerged from his Dad's underwear a few years before the XBox!

    "It's really funny how Ken said all the MS fanboys are stupid and even stupier and you still don't even know it."

    Oh the irony.
    Edited by 1 at 10/06/05 @ 11:17

  • Ulgen #90 7 years ago

    @w00t:
    I'm not sure about this, but as I see it Spore does not calculate the creature's movement "on-the-fly", but rather each time the creature evoles and gains new attributes. When the animations (and models) are calculated, they are fixed until the next time changes appear. I might be wrong though.

  • Kengro #91 7 years ago

    WTF has this idiot got a phd in ??? Bullshit ???

  • darkmistx #92 7 years ago

    "b) If Bill Gates is so stupid as you make him look, why is he so stinking rich? "

    By backstabbing other companies, and stealling ideas. How else do you think?
    Edited by 1 at 10/06/05 @ 13:13

  • Ulgen #93 7 years ago

    darkmistx: "By backstabbing other companies, and stealling ideas. How else do you think?"

    But it doesn't necessarily make him "stupid", now, does it? Bad person, evil, whatever... But stupid? No.

  • Captain-nippon #94 7 years ago

    Godfather Ken had a Ph.D in Engineering. Stupid. Dont be afraid of the true. Go to Google and find out. If you're shit talking someone better know who what ya talking about fools.

    Gates rich=Smart? When in Rome did that happen? freaking retarded idealistic fools.

    Hey Kengro?

    if Ken is so Stupid, how come he can create a best selling consoles ever. Not just one, but TWICE. Over 100 millions PS and 90 millions ps 2. that's quality of a stupid man right? Don't forget the 5 millions PSP.

    Now i really feel sorry for MS. I would really hate/LOVE to read your description on the MS IDIOT. Since these morons can't get their xfart pass 30 millions units. Not to mention a very short life cycle, half that of the PS 2.

    SCARE OF SONY?

    No doubt, why else would MS take their lose and run.

    So does this mean that xfart 720 will come out in 2007? that's half of the 4 years cycle xfart had.



  • Captain-nippon #95 7 years ago

    "catpaint nippon can you be any more of a Sony fanboy, jesus.

    xfart?? how old are u?

    MS scared? with the comments Sony is making attacking all its rivals it seems they are the ones who are scared."

    How can Sony be SCARED with 90 millions PS 2 sold, and counting. 100 millions units by PS 3 launch. Scared, Hardly.

    Ken is going what he's been doing for the past 10 years. Selling his products.


  • Polymath #96 7 years ago

    General comment:
    Wow... we've really reached new lows...

    Where's BGIE?

    @Ulgen... technically, neither have implemented those ideas... at least not in games for sale. I expect to see the approach popping up in all sorts of games, however. In a sense, you've seen the approach in the Lord of the Rings movie, with the way they individualised the renderings and movements of each animated soldier.

    Virtual worlds... Heady stuff.

  • ave #97 7 years ago

    I propose a new feature, allow us to vote for people to be banned, whoever gets the most vote each days gets the boot.

    Today I NOMINATE: Captain-nippon

  • Captain-nippon #98 7 years ago

    Ave. you're so funny. It's too bad you're a xbox nutcase, otherwise i think we could've been friend.

    Lavalant, you're funny too, in a sad way.

    """""""""" """""""""" """""""""" captain nippon, face it sony are finished, their psp sales are dying compared to the DS outselling it 3 to 1 in japan, their blu ray format is going no where now toshiba are going ahead with HDDVD and even hidio kojima prefers the xbox360 to the ps3."""""""""&q uot;"""""""""&q uot;"""""""""&q uot;

    DS sold 5. 2 millions units, PSP sold 5 millions units. So where is this 3-1 coming from? Sony shipped 3 millions units at the end of march. I think you need to go back to school and learn Math all over again. BAKA....

    Is Toshiba HD DVD going anywhere? Do you a HD DVD player? Probably NOT. Just because Toshiba is releasing another format Sony Tech is automatically going to DIE? Afterall, both systems haven't been full released yet. You make a lot sense. Jumping to conclusion before know the facts make you a weak minded fool. You're HATRED for Sony had clouded you simple MIND.

    As for Hideo-san comments on the PS 3. HE NEVER SAID HE PREFERS the xbox360 to the ps3. he said PS 3 is like having a special dinner once a month, and X360 is once a week. MEANING little boy, the PS 3 is Special and better than the x360. Because once you eat something once a week, you GET BORE with it.

    """""""""" """""""""" """""the ps2 done very well dominating all competition, but every dog has its day, look at nintendo, they sold more consoles than sony ever will, and their next one may be their last. """""""""" """""""""" """""""""" """""""""" """"""""

    So what chance does Microsoft have of ever selling more console that Nintendo? NEVER.

    In the last 2 generations Sony has been beating Nintendo at ever corners. PS 2 will reach 100 millions units by the end of the year, and counting. Xbox will never ever reach that number. You can deny it if you want to, denial is offer reserved for individual who are LIKE YOU, can't see the TRUE.

    Microsoft will never sale more console than Sony. that's a FACT. You can take that to your sleep. The next console MS is done for good. No one will buy xbox because everyone will wait for the better system, the PS 3.

  • Carrybagma #99 7 years ago

    Captain Nippon: I can't say I agree with anything you say, but I'm enjoying the way you say it.

    I nominate 'Mad Cap.' for poster of the week.

  • Carrybagma #100 7 years ago

    Oh hang about - 'Mad Ken' has trumped you already:-

    http://www. theinquirer.net/?article=23878

  • darkmistx #101 7 years ago

    "The Xbox 360 is expected to ship with a 20GB hard drive as standard. It is not expected to be running Linux. "

    Haha, you don't say!

  • ave #102 7 years ago

    "Ave. you're so funny. It's too bad you're a xbox nutcase, otherwise i think we could've been friend. "

    And where did you get that opinion from?
    The fact you need to label someone who thinks your spouting absolute rubbish, an xbox fanboy purely because they think you're an idiot, says all anyone needs to know about you.

  • Captain-nippon #103 7 years ago

    lavalant, you didn't finish high school math did you? 5.4 millions DS Vs 5 millions PSP. 3-1...I believe you.*_* but you're right. Let wait for a year before we continue to discuss this. I agree DS is going very well.

    Sony blue ray have all the big name supporter, IBM, HP, Samsung, Matsushita, Hitachi, Dell even Apple, Sony Pictures, Disney, MGM and Bandai. So who's on HD DVD side?

    "mystic meg is a fake you know"

    Mystic Meg might be fake, but the 100 millions PS 1 and 90 millions PS 2 Is NOT.

    Sony will have Linux preinstalled in the hard drive, a fully functional OS. X360 will not have any OS in their system, not even window. Because that would hate window sales. Too bad for MS. This mean you you can't use the x360 as a full functional computer because it does not havean OS and therefore can't use any applications. LIke image editing or Photoshop or words document.

    The Linux in PS 3 will allow the system to be function as a Super Computer and a game console. It can edit image, access words document , photoshop and even support Bit Torrents files. basically do everything a Computer can and MORE.

    So now you see that PS 3 is the superior system, Please buy 3 systems when it release.

  • Yaz #104 7 years ago

    "This mean you you can't use the x360 as a full functional computer because it does not havean OS and therefore can't use any applications. LIke image editing or Photoshop or words document."

    LOL! Since when is that a problem? The X360 is a games console, not a computer.

    "The Linux in PS 3 will allow the system to be function as a Super Computer and a game console. It can edit image, access words document , photoshop and even support Bit Torrents files. basically do everything a Computer can and MORE."

    Sure, once you've purchased the HDD with Linux pre-installed, and then purchased the applications, oh and a mouse and keyboard perhaps, and so on to build up your 'computer'. So, how much are you willing to spend for this 'console'?

    I can do all that and MUCH MORE on my PC today, with countless applications available commercially or for free on the internet. So even if I do purchase a PS3 in future, I couldn't care less about using it as a PC.

    The PS3's strength is in the floating-point power of the Cell processor, so multimedia applications will benefit GREATLY (when or if such applications eventually arrive on the PS3 that is). Yes Cell is about twice as fast as the X360 CPU for such applications, however the Cell processor is no better than any other 3.2Ghz processor for running general purpose applications, whereas the 3 core CPU in X360 is FAR better than Cell for such applications, and so will be the dual core CPU's coming soon from AMD and Intel.

    So yes, the PS3 will make a first rate console, but in general, a second rate PC. Still to each his own. ;)

  • Captain-nippon #105 7 years ago

    Yaz, thanks for your info man. Something worth reading.

    I agree and disagree with you though.

    """""""""" """""""This mean you you can't use the x360 as a full functional computer because it does not havean OS and therefore can't use any applications. LIke image editing or Photoshop or words document."

    LOL! Since when is that a problem? The X360 is a games console, not a computer.""""""""&qu ot;"""""""

    This is not about having problem or NOT. It's about having the Extra, to be able to do the extra. Having say that, PS 3 can be use as a Computer and a Game Console. Having said that for the second time, PS 3 is far more Superior the the Apple Mac Mini. And because the X 360 can't be use as a computer it will limit itself.


    """""""""" "Sure, once you've purchased the HDD with Linux pre-installed, and then purchased the applications, oh and a mouse and keyboard perhaps, and so on to build up your 'computer'. So, how much are you willing to spend for this 'console'?""""""""&q uot;"""""

    $80 bucks for an 80 GB HDD, 20 bucks for a mouse and 30 bucks for an keyboard. that's an additional $130 plus the price of the PS 3, let say for now $300. that's a total of $430-$500. For a 3.2 Ghz Chip and 512 Ram, Plus all it abilities to connect through the Networks. Let see you go you and buy a PC with that kind of power and abilities for $430-$500 bucks.


    """""""""" """""""""I can do all that and MUCH MORE on my PC today, with countless applications available commercially or for free on the internet. So even if I do purchase a PS3 in future, I couldn't care less about using it as a PC."""""""""&qu ot;"""""

    If you the PS 3, why not use it as a second computer. It'll be a lot cheaper than to buy a new PC. Why not set it up and network your PS 3 and computer together. Don't just use it for game.

    """""""""" """""""""" """The PS3's strength is in the floating-point power of the Cell processor, so multimedia applications will benefit GREATLY (when or if such applications eventually arrive on the PS3 that is). Yes Cell is about twice as fast as the X360 CPU for such applications, however the Cell processor is no better than any other 3.2Ghz processor for running general purpose applications, whereas the 3 core CPU in X360 is FAR better than Cell for such applications, and so will be the dual core CPU's coming soon fromd AMD an Intel.""""""""" """""""""" """"""""""

    But since the Xbox 360 can't be use as a Computer, it wouldn't really matter if the X360 CPU can do better in general Applications since you can't do application on it in the first place. And because the PS 3 can do general applications like editing photo.

    """""""""" "So yes, the PS3 will make a first rate console, but in general, a second rate PC. Still to each his own. ;)"""""""""&quo t;""""""'

    yes, the PS 3 is a first rated console and the x360 is second rated console.

    As for the PS 3 being a second rated PC, I think you're just jumping the gun here.

    For start it has a 64 bits, 3.2 ghz chip, with 7 vector cores. basicaly it's a multi cores chip. This is Super Computing we taking about.

    Which mean it can out perform any INTEL and AMD chip on the market. I am using an intel 32 bits, 3.2 ghz single core from Intel. The Cell blow my intel chip out of the water from start to finish.

    I willing to bet the Cell can blow any computer system you have at home right now? even if you do have a 3.8 ghz from Intel. The Cell will still out perform the 3.8 ghz from intel any day of the week.

    AS for duel core from Intel and AMD. Big problem, HEAT. Same thing can be said about the X 360 cpu, since it has 3 CORES. OVER HEAT. The X360 cpu cores will be 3 times hotter than the Cell.

    By the way the Duel core from Intel and AMD cost between $600-$1000, that's only for the chip itself. That's 3 times the price of the PS 3. With that kind of price you can get 3 PS 3 and for the same kind of Power.


  • ave #106 7 years ago

    wtf captain-nippon, you surpass yourself with every post!

  • Yaz #107 7 years ago

    As I won't be around for a few days, I'll make this my last post in this thread.

    "This is not about having problem or NOT. It's about having the Extra, to be able to do the extra. Having say that, PS 3 can be use as a Computer and a Game Console. Having said that for the second time, PS 3 is far more Superior the the Apple Mac Mini. And because the X 360 can't be use as a computer it will limit itself."

    And that's the problem I have with your arguement. I understand where you're coming from, but at it's heart, these are games consoles we're talking about, and therefore playing games is the most important reason for owning one. So whilst extras are of benefit to some (as was Linux to a minority of PS2 owners in Japan), it's not a disadvantage to be without such 'features'. Linux is also available for modified XBoxes too, turning the XBox into a mini-computer, but again that's something which appeals to a minority. The same would probably happen on the X360 too. Still, I will be watching the progress of Linux on the PS3 with interest.

    "$80 bucks for an 80 GB HDD"

    Price for a 3.5" HDD perhaps, but the PS3 requires a 2.5" HDD, which is more expensive.

    "...that's an additional $130 plus the price of the PS 3, let say for now $300. that's a total of $430-$500."

    And the price of software?

    I'm not against anyone doing this with their console, in fact, I'm all for it, just as I was with the current generation. All I'm saying is that whilst paying a price to build up your console in this way and taking the time and effort to create a sizable software library may appeal to some, for the majority, the PS3 will just be a games console, and therefore not having Linux on the X360 (until it is hacked liked the XBox), is not a disadvantage.

    "yes, the PS 3 is a first rated console and the x360 is second rated console."

    That's were we differ, because BOTH of these consoles will be first rate. The X360 appears to have a slightly faster and more advanced GPU (with it's embedded ram offering free AA and other features, and unified shader architecture), the PS3 has the advantage of a CPU with more floating-point power. But in the end, it depends on how easy it is to tap into the power of both consoles, so overall I think there is very little to seperate the two as games consoles technically. Therefore for many gamers, it going to be about the games.

    "Which mean it can out perform any INTEL and AMD chip on the market. I am using an intel 32 bits, 3.2 ghz single core from Intel. The Cell blow my intel chip out of the water from start to finish."

    That's the misunderstanding, Cell has been designed for massive floating-point power, and in that respect it does blow away Intel and AMD. This is because the extra cores in Cell are for floating-point operations. The main core in Cell runs the actual applications (as with current processors) and performs integer operations, leaving the remaining cores to perform their floating-point 'magic'. But for running programs and performing integer operations, Cell only has ONE core for this task.

    In contrast, the X360 CPU has 3 identical 3.2Ghz cores. EACH core runs program code, and performs integer and floating-point operations. The 3 cores in total offers floating-point power just over half of that of Cell, however in total you have 3 cores for running program code and 3 cores for integer operations, compared to just ONE on Cell. Hence for running general applications, the Cell processor is no better than a 3.2Ghz Intel/AMD processor, whereas the X360 CPU has the equivalent of 3x 3.2Ghz processors (probably offering 2x the power in reality).

    For tasks heavily dependent on floating-point operations, such as encoding mp3's, encoding/decoding movies or performing image processing, 3D calculations etc, the Cell processor is far superior, hence it's place at the heart of the PS3. In all other areas however, it's just like any other 3.2Ghz processor, and this is where the X360 CPU, and duel core processors from Intel and AMD are superior.

    "AS for duel core from Intel and AMD. Big problem, HEAT. Same thing can be said about the X 360 cpu, since it has 3 CORES. OVER HEAT. The X360 cpu cores will be 3 times hotter than the Cell."

    Heat is a problem for all the new processors. That's why Cell is running at 3.2Ghz, instead of the maximum 4.6Ghz. The 7 extra cores in Cell are not 'heat free', they'll be generating just as much heat as those 2 extra full cores in the X360 CPU, hence at 3.2Ghz, both processors are probably generating about the same amount of heat (do you think 3.2Ghz for both is a coincidence? ;)). Raise the clock speed any higher, and both CPUs will be generating too much heat for either Sony or Microsoft to keep cool within the space available in their consoles. Afterall, both CPUs originate from the same IBM PowerPC technology.

    "By the way the Duel core from Intel and AMD cost between $600-$1000, that's only for the chip itself. That's 3 times the price of the PS 3"

    Well 2-3 times, but point taken. However, this is nothing new for completely new CPU technology on the PC. It was a similar case for the very first 486 and for the first Pentium, but such prices always falls quickly in the PC market. So I'll expect it to drop to a price similar to today's processors after about a year.

    Anyway Captain, thanks for offering a good responce, one which was FAR better than your 'XFart' posts above. I hope you'll post more to the quality of today's post rather than that of the last few days. If so, then I'll look forward to further discussions with you in future, even if we disagree. :)
    Edited by 1 at 12/06/05 @ 12:05

  • Captain-nippon #108 7 years ago

    Yaz, dude did you have to write a NOVEL? but informative though.

    I agree with you on the Game Console idea. There's no doubt about it, I am gonna play game on the PS 3. And games should come before all these. However, if you CAN use it as a computer than WHY NOT USE IT. Remember this isn't about the Game industry, it's about the digital entertainment living Room. Which mean it represent the overall concept of lifestyle within your home.

    Look at Apple and Intel, the Mac mini is suppose to be the computer in the living room. Intel have a similar computer like the Mac Mini for the living room. Mac Mini cost $500-$700, way more than the PS 3, and way less power and capabilities. Sony have PS 3 to complete with Intel and Apple head on. PS 3 is way superior to the Mac Mini and way less price.

    Whatever the price of the 80 GB and 160 GB HDD for the PS 3 is, it's still going to be cheaper to buy a PS 3 than a brand new computer for the kind of power the PS 3 is offering. As for softwares, well ilt's not free for the PC either...Unlike window Linux is Free.

    Microsoft won't have window on the Xbox because it will hurt sale of Window in the PC market. As for hacking the Xbox, not everyone can do this. I am talking about big percentage of people that really can't hack the xbox to install Linux. So it's better to have linux preinstalled and ready to go for the general public or it's pretty sure a losing battle.

    I agree that both system is very powerful, a lot more powerful than the current GEN. However, the P3 is more oriented and Network friendly than the X360. The PS 3 is design handle and stream HD and multimedia contents at the faster degree than the X360. That include downloading from the Internet or accessing the network by computer to computer for using the PSP to access the PS 3. This is where the PS 3 can over perform the x360. For some people like me and you, this is a important design of the PS 3.


    """""""""" """""""""" """Which mean it can out perform any INTEL and AMD chip on the market. I am using an intel 32 bits, 3.2 ghz single core from Intel. The Cell blow my intel chip out of the water from start to finish."

    That's the misunderstanding, Cell has been designed for massive floating-point power, and in that respect it does blow away Intel and AMD. This is because the extra cores in Cell are for floating-point operations. The main core in Cell runs the actual applications (as with current processors) and performs integer operations, leaving the remaining cores to perform their floating-point 'magic'. But for running programs and performing integer operations, Cell only has ONE core for this task.

    In contrast, the X360 CPU has 3 identical 3.2Ghz cores. EACH core runs program code, and performs integer and floating-point operations. The 3 cores in total offers floating-point power just over half of that of Cell, however in total you have 3 cores for running program code and 3 cores for integer operations, compared to just ONE on Cell. Hence for running general applications, the Cell processor is no better than a 3.2Ghz Intel/AMD processor, whereas the X360 CPU has the equivalent of 3x 3.2Ghz processors (probably offering 2x the power in reality).

    For tasks heavily dependent on floating-point operations, such as encoding mp3's, encoding/decoding movies or performing image processing, 3D calculations etc, the Cell processor is far superior, hence it's place at the heart of the PS3. In all other areas however, it's just like any other 3.2Ghz processor, and this is where the X360 CPU, and duel core processors from Intel and AMD are superior.""""""""&qu ot;""""""""


    I am impress of your break down. You must know a lot about Micro Chips. A lot more tha me. I know when I am beating.

    The price of duel core chip will drop within one year, but not this current chips price, that's a big drop.

    You probably the second smartest guy in this forum. Second to me of course.

  • Kengro #109 7 years ago

    "Super computer" ??? A supercomputer is 10 tf... Ps3 is 2 tf... No, not a supercomputer in sight...
    The cell was rejected by apple's boss for not beeing good enough...
    I smell some more sony lies here... If there's another emotion engine in the making here i feel sorry for sony.
    And why the hell ship the hd with linux?? I can't stand linux and will never buy a hd with that shit on it.
    I'm not a ms or nintendo fanboy, i'm a fan of consoles... And truth... So we will see sony, i do hope this is not another emotion engine

  • Ulgen #110 7 years ago

    Good grief. And I thought .I. wrote long comments... :-/