Oblivion horse for PC gamers

By Tom Bramwell Published 5 April, 2006

Plus details on future DLC.

Elder Scrolls developer Bethesda's unveiled e-commerce site obliviondownloads.com, where owners of the PC version of new title Oblivion can purchase downloadable content made available to their Xbox cousins.

The first item on the agenda is the Horse Armour Pack, which was released on Xbox Live Marketplace this week for 200 Microsoft points (just over £1.50). PC owners must pay $1.99 for the 6.2MB pack, which gives players the ability to buy and equip armour for their horse.

Bethesda's new site also makes reference to the next two bits of downloadable content - Orrery and Wizard's Tower. The former will be a quest to repair a bit of Dwarven astrological kit, gaining certain abilities relating to lunar cycles as a result. Wizard's Tower, meanwhile, will introduce a new property you can stay in, grow herbs and do other stuff in, although whether it'll be part of a quest is unknown.

Following the reaction to the release of the premium horse armour yesterday, Bethesda's also commented on its pricing, claiming they based it on existing content pricing like Kameo's Christmas Costume, which cost 200 points. We told you that bitch was no good!

"It certainly may be the case that some plug-ins will appeal to some folks and not others, but we hope we'll be able to provide a good variety so that there's something for everyone...and hopefully more than one something for everyone," Gamespot were told by those, er, 'backing the saddle'.

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is out now on PC and Xbox 360. It's very good.

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  • InfiniteFury #1 6 years ago

    This is actually starting to sully my enjoyment of the vanilla Oblivion now. I can't even begin to imagine how much a new quest would be, let alone new abilities.

    That might sound ridiculous to some of you and we can go around the same argument we had yesterday all day long but I can't help it. To some people, it's nothing, to others it's a real pile of sh*t.
    Edited by 1 at 05/04/06 @ 09:54

  • groovychainsaw #2 6 years ago

    Well, that's maybe a bit more like it. Special dwarven equipment quest thing, maybe worth more like £1.60.... if it's interesting.... any plans to do short reviews of the content EG? :-P

  • InfiniteFury #3 6 years ago

    As in comedy, timing is everything.

    This game hasn't been out for two weeks yet.

  • PearOfAnguish #4 6 years ago

    I really do not like where this is leading...just a short time ago we'd have got this stuff for free.

  • octo #5 6 years ago

    Fuck them in their money grabbing arseholes.

  • MrChuckles #6 6 years ago

    ffs, if you don't wanna pay £X for a small piece of gameplay, don't buy it, it's not that difficult. Tbh if no-one buys it at these ridiculous prices, then they should drop (supply and demand).

    I'm working on a 360 game at the moment and we will be releasing additional content once we ship, but i hope we don't charge these prices too, it is a bit embarrassing.

  • Talha #7 6 years ago

    Hey, I will pay upwards of $10 for a mod called InstantRatKill.

  • Aysir #8 6 years ago

    Surely for the PC one you could just add the stuff in using the TES editor contruction kit? What's the point of buying such useless things?

  • Dizzy #9 6 years ago

    I think where they are trying to go is just like MMORPGs. Instead of charging monthly fees (for extra content), they will just realease extra content on a regular basis. Will it work? Maybe... I guess a lot of companies now are inspired by the money spinning WoW.

    I dont mind paying for extra stuff... I do mind paying for useless stuff (like horse armor) but I guess, just like ringtones and picture packs, some people don't mind at all.

    "Surely for the PC one you could just add the stuff in using the TES editor contruction kit? What's the point of buying such useless things? "

    Apparently you cannot import new meshes. New quests are also a big problem since you have to add voice to everything ;) So mod makers might be limited (just like WoW strangely) to UI mods and texture/effect mods.
    Edited by 2 at 05/04/06 @ 10:22

  • groovychainsaw #10 6 years ago

    Also, it's extremely rare the mod-makers come up with mods that match the quality of professional programmer (such as an exstensive quest with voice etc.).

  • Kiigan #11 6 years ago

    Oh, quit moaning everyone and just vote with your wallets. It's worth trying this stuff - and if it doesn't work out, if consumers aren't interested, they'll have to offer DLC with more value in future. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It is interesting though that no one bleated as loudly about the Kameo "Santa costume" or the music downloads for Ridge Racer 6. Look at the first comment in this thread:

    "This is actually starting to sully my enjoyment of the vanilla Oblivion now."

    That's just mental.
    Edited by 1 at 05/04/06 @ 10:34

  • smelly #12 6 years ago

    FUCK THAT!

    Right, i'm boycotting this game now, dont care how good it is. No-one makes me pay for what amounts to a patch.

  • Kiigan #13 6 years ago

    smelly, I don't think you understand what a patch is.

  • Furbs #14 6 years ago

    Well for one, this is paid for PC DLC, secondly, neither of those games sold as well, or were as anticipated as much as Oblivion.

    Its not just a case of "not buying it". Companies need to know its not so much the price issue as the principal and by complaining about it it makes our feelings known. Its interesting that the Orrery content is basically going to just unlock a room that is already in the retail game. Not exactly ethical is it?

    But yeah, smellys comment is slightly retarded :)
    Edited by 1 at 05/04/06 @ 10:36

  • Mildew #15 6 years ago

    Bring on Oblivion Flat Pack Furniture! The missing screw in each set is another 1000 points.

  • Evil_Badger #16 6 years ago

    I just hope all these little downloads (and a hell of a lot more) will be included in the first proper expansion pack.
    Edited by 1 at 05/04/06 @ 10:51

  • InfiniteFury #17 6 years ago

    It is mental Kiigan and I acknowledge as much in my post.

    The issue is not the content it's the £40-50 for the game two weeks ago and "oh wait, oh shit, look what we found behind the sofa, here you can have it for £2.50" If you like being taken for a mug that's up to you but appreciate that some people don't like the principle of the thing.

    It's all about the timing really.

    With regards to Kameo I think that was generally included in the "All gamerpics/themes are a rip-off" - it wasn't really news for me at least, it was yesterdays moaning :-)
    Edited by 1 at 05/04/06 @ 10:55

  • SIDEARM #18 6 years ago

    Jesus guys - these reactions are way over the top. Like the man said if you dont want to buy the stuff then dont. Problem solved. I am quite happy to pay for new content if it means I will be getting good quality extensions to an already great game. And if it helps them fund the making of our next elder scrolls adventure then thats great too. Do try to remember that these companies have to make money to exist. Producing free content is a drain on their resources for little gain (few people will find an incentive to buy the game new from the promise of free content). So there trying to make some money - good for them too many smaller developers have gone under recently.

  • InfiniteFury #19 6 years ago

    Also, the difference between Kameo and Oblivion is that RPGs (and RPG players in general) are completist affairs, which is what makes it feel like such a strong-arm approach IMO

    The whole drive behind any decent RPG is to give you access to loads of different things in the world and open it up. It's just fucking mean. Tight.

    I've put that really badly but I think you get my point.
    Edited by 2 at 05/04/06 @ 11:01

  • Talha #20 6 years ago

    Recently someone in Gamespot's excellent Freeplay features opined that Oblivion may be the last great 'Western' RPG we see, due to shrinking of the market and high development costs.

    If that is what it takes, let them charge - we are thankfully capable of deciding whether it is worth the money. Quite frankly I won't mind paying a few more pounds in order to keep them working on their next game. All the same, they should at least make the content WORTH the asking price.

  • smelly #21 6 years ago

    smelly, I don't think you understand what a patch is.

    In the past gamers have gotten this sort of thing for free as a thank you for buying the product.

    However, i'm feeling slightly cynical about this "cheers for your money for the game, but if you want the FULL game, you'll have to pay us another 3 quid.. and another 3 quid again in a few weeks, etc etc".


    Maybe past games have spoiled me?

    Edited by 1 at 05/04/06 @ 11:07

  • Bumbuliuz #22 6 years ago

    People seem to be going gaga over this horse armor thing. If you dont want it dont buy it!! It´s so simple. You arent beeing forced to do anything you dont want to do. Personally Im all for this, I bought my horse a new shiny Elvish armor. I also understand people that dont want this. BUt the uprorar people are spewing over the web now is idiotic. There is no "Evil Hand" guiding your vallet to buy anything you dont want or dont need. Do I feel that this pack could have been cheaper? Yes I think so, 100-150 points would have been better. But I still like what they are bringing out in the future, new quests and new stuff. Will I buy it? No doubt about it, yes. I am a big fan of Bethesda and I will try to support them any way I can. Like with Sports Interactive, theese 2 companys bring out fantastic games and deserve me full support. But heyh thats just my opinion, it doesnt have to be yours.

  • InfiniteFury #23 6 years ago

    I have/had no qualms paying for the following:

    £8.99 per month: Warcraft
    £7.00-ish: PGR2 track packs (I actually bought this *twice* after a dead box)
    £can't remember: Halo map packs
    Various other content

    Don't begrudge a penny of the money spent and I'll be the first in line with my £20-ish for the Burning Crusade.

    Bringing out and charging for minimal content (piece by measly little pieces) and not two weeks after the game is released is a different matter entirely.

    With regards to the development costs increasing on next-gen games - I could've sworn there was a 60%+ mark-up on the RRP of 360 games.
    Edited by 2 at 05/04/06 @ 11:17

  • smelly #24 6 years ago

    People seem to be going gaga over this horse armor thing.

    What about the missions, etc etc they're on about?

    Isnt this in effect episodic content? Or are people happy with buying unfinished games only to pay for the extra content later?

    Just a thought. More i think about it, the more i dont see a problem with it. Just interested in a conversation about it now.

  • Bitkari #25 6 years ago

    How much for tomtom satnav for my horse?

  • Frogger #26 6 years ago

    And at the same time, Nadeo is giving away Trackmania free extensions and even a free full game to thank the gaming community...

    I love Bethesda's work too, I hope they will produce a 5th episode in the Elder Scrolls serie, but I don't think they need to SELL useless things like that for that. The game is successful enough to cover the production costs and to give the publisher enough confidence to invest in another sequel. Doesn't it ?

    The reason why people react this way is because they are scared that such commercial behaviour becomes a standard in the future, making them pay for every little stupid thing they used to get for free.

  • Talha #27 6 years ago

    @Frogger : Hey come on, don't drag Nadeo into this - they are benevolent entities hell-bent upon giving hours of FREE enjoyment to the world at large. Sometimes I think they must be aliens!! :-)

  • Fozzie_bear #28 6 years ago

    Its interesting that the Orrery content is basically going to just unlock a room that is already in the retail game. Not exactly ethical is it?

    If that's the case then that's pretty poor. It shows that that Bethesda bloke who responded on a forum (linked somewhere in the forum) by saying that this was new content done since the game went into testing as a bit of a bullshit merchant. If it's new - then maybe that's ok. If it's stuff which you've already paid for and have to pay to unlock then that's a rip-off.

    I always felt pretty much the same about GBA games which had unlockable stuff if you hooked it up to the GC version. It's making you pay extra for content you've already got.

    Really hope that this is a disaster for Bethesda but can't see it. If it's all existing content then they don't really need many sales to turn a profit on it do they? Just a shame that it's going to encourage other developers to treat their customers with similar contempt.

    Of course you can chose not to pay for it - but if they can get away with this then what will other people try and get away with next. Bet it isn't long before a multiplayer game has 'optional' weapons which can be bought at a premium to give you an edge over other players.

  • Mho7276501 #29 6 years ago

    tweak guide has posted up some links to mods that deal with the crap distance textures. This isnt the .ini file thing and they are free.

    http://www .tweakguides.com/Oblivion_4.html

  • thegamesthething #30 6 years ago

    "We told you that bitch was no good!"

    You're still wrong, it's still a great game, as many of us told you back :) .

    I didn't buy the Christmas costume, nor will I the horse armour. 25 - 50 points would be more like it.

  • HoraceGoesSquiffy #31 6 years ago

    I think what's bothering everyone is the feeling of the getting the thin end of the wedge. Why would a developer push to include feature *X* in the first release when they can charge for it later?

    In the past, I guess we've been spoilt by not quite so business-focussed devs and publishers who say "Well we meant to get this in the gold disc, but didn't quite make it - but as we "meant" to; here, have it for free for the sake of the 'community'". Sadly this attitude is getting more and more rare, but understandably so. These people make games as a business, not solely for our benefit and enjoyment.

    And if one more person says "If you dont like it, don't buy it..." I swear I'll chew my own ears off. Of *course* I want the bloody horse armour and extra content, I just want to have a whinge about it before I fork out...

  • Moonprince #32 6 years ago

    HA! Which reminds me of DoubleDragon. Memories rubbish, but couldn't you insert an extra 20p to buy a weapon?

    Anyway, I think in the EULA there's a paragraph stating that all mods released belong to Bethesda also. They could therefore take a mod someones done for free on pc, and sell it to the xbox masses. Kind of on topic and something I found interesting.

    I doubt they'd ever do it though...

  • Talha #33 6 years ago

    THey didn't charge for Hot Coffee on GTA, even though Rockstar are evil! ;-)

    Nobody seems to be paying attention to my golden words - if the content is WORTH the money, it is ethical and a positive way to generate revenue. If it is NOT, it is a rip off

  • justsomeone #34 6 years ago

    some people have more money than sense. did you know that there are over 4000 discrete items in oblivion? let's say that horse armor is 4 items, that's $2000 dollars for the whole game if you were to buy the items alone as individual parts. i guess if bethseda can find enough suckers then fair play to them, but any company would really have to be a bunch of profiteering scumbags to try this one on. espsecially on a userbase of RPGers who are, let's face it, not the most reality-based types in existence.

    did you know there's a mod that permanantly removes the ability to fast travel in oblivion? can you image the perversity of someone who really *wants* to inflict that sort of punishment on themselves for the sake of realism, and then ask yourself if they would be prepared to pay money for content that took you 15 seconds to create?

    bleed the fools dry, i guess, is the new motto over at bethseda.

  • kingmob #35 6 years ago

    "Its interesting that the Orrery content is basically going to just unlock a room that is already in the retail game. Not exactly ethical is it? "

    I've seen a screengrab from someone who no-clipped (or something) into the Orrery and, as far as the vanilla game goes, it's a completely empty room. I expedt the downloadable content will, you know, actually put an Orrery in there.

  • lennon #36 6 years ago

    If I ever get to a stage where I need any more content from Oblivion I will worry about it then.

  • Artemus #37 6 years ago

    Stop kidding yourselves, all this stuff was already built when they shipped the game. There's been no extra work.

  • udat #38 6 years ago

    "Wow. I bought a salmon and cucumber sandwich from morrisons today, it was more expensive than this content.. but i know they atleast put 1 minute into making it."

    Um, not really the same thing. They couldn't sell that same sandwich 100,000 times could they?

    Still not sure how I feel about this issue. Could go either way.

  • Genji #39 6 years ago

    I will start to get worried if they make you pay for patches. Bug fixes and such.

    I also find it interesting that PC gamers can complain about this, and yet feel chuffed about spending hundreds of dollars on graphics cards, RAM, shiny new CPUs, etc, just to be able to play these games at all.
    Edited by 1 at 05/04/06 @ 15:04

  • Furbs #40 6 years ago

    If you spent £50 in a restaurent, would you expect to be charged £1 for the mint imperial?

  • Dynamize #41 6 years ago

    I guess it makes business sense. It just makes me feel sad, browsing the "Plug-ins" for Morrowind section of elderscrolls.com. Armour, quests, sounds, entertainers. All free, all offered as a courteousy or "thank you" to customers.
    Morrowind was hugely successful, Oblivion as much if not moreso. What changed? I don't think Bethesda's had to go begging just yet.

  • jonnyreb #42 6 years ago

    Apparently the next expansion will be special 'Death-Ray eyes' for your horse.

  • I_Have_The_Power #43 6 years ago

    "If you spent £50 in a restaurent, would you expect to be charged £1 for the mint imperial? "

    No - but I would if I had another scoop of ice cream - which is a better analogy for this...

  • Genji #44 6 years ago

    If I went to an expensive restaurant and paid top dollar for ordinary food in miniscule servings, I would scream "daylight robbery" at the price of the food, not at the mint.

    I don't like mint, and hardly think it is necessary for a meal to be festooned with minty freshness afterwards.

    COME ON, MINT LOVERS! LET'S GET THIS PARTY STARTED!

  • justsomeone #45 6 years ago

    actually, a much better analogy is that if you paid £25 for an indian meal, ran out of rice, and were then asked for £1 *per grain* of rice thereafter.

    i mean, the entire game cost £25, asking £1 for just one set of extra items is really ludicrous in comparison.

    um - i realise i made essentially this point already but...i...well it was such a good point that it needed saying again. ok? no? well sod yer then.

    oh - i thought of another one - becasue scoops of ice cream don't do it for me, i've never needed another scoop of ice cream, who the hell has ice cream and then asks for one more scoop? well, my kids do now i think of it. but anyway, i've been to places where my kids asked for another scoop and they got one for free, because nice places are nice to kids, so that doesn't even work. no sir.

    anyway, my much greater analogy is that if you ask for a refill of coffee they don't charge you, not filter anyway, and if they do then you should break your mug over their dang heads, right?

    why are we all talking about food now?

    mmmm, mint imperials.

  • I_Have_The_Power #46 6 years ago

    "actually, a much better analogy is that if you paid £25 for an indian meal, ran out of rice, and were then asked for £1 *per grain* of rice thereafter"

    Carrying on with the theme of food - you're just 'mincing' words now...


    Edited by 1 at 05/04/06 @ 17:16

  • Prehensile_Plant #47 6 years ago

    Has anyone bought this bloody thing and got it working? See, myself and some others witn a none-us install of the game are having the same installer error. If Bethesda released it for US version only but let everyoen spend money on it, I;m going to be annoyed.
    Edited by 1 at 05/04/06 @ 17:22

  • Furbs #48 6 years ago

    No alot of US gamers are having issues with it too. Theres some sort of product activation thingy which is causing problems (lol, product activation for a two dollar upgrade - kinda disproves the "they have to claw money back somewhere" line).

  • werewolf2000ad #49 6 years ago

    "If I ever get to a stage where I need any more content from Oblivion I will worry about it then. "

    This is exactly what's so fucking hilarious about all this whining - There's already more stuff in Oblivion than the average player will ever actually see, yet people are acting like the game was gutted and released half-finished in order to 'force' people to buy extra content. The disconnect from reality is astounding.

    Of course, if Bethesda had stuck a dozen or so of these various add-ons together on a disk and sold it as a £10 - £20 expansion, hardly anyone would bat an eyelid, because we're used to that kind of pricing/amount of content for expansions... Except, that is, for those of you who'd be complaining that you only wanted *these* bits, and not *those* bits, and you don't want to pay for all of them, and why can't you just buy *these* bits separately, you could make them like, downloads or something...

  • UncleLou #50 6 years ago

    The disconnect from reality is astounding.

    I find your naivety just as astounding. This isn't about the horse armour. This is about the precedent Bethesda are trying to set.

  • MrAtheist #51 6 years ago

    Well get used to this kids, with development costs continuing to shoot ever higher, publishers/devs are going to try and squeeze every last drop they can.

    Micro-payments are here to stay.

  • werewolf2000ad #52 6 years ago

    "I find your naivety just as astounding. This isn't about the horse armour. This is about the precedent Bethesda are trying to set."

    Oh yes, because they're the first people to ever ever do anything like this, aren't they? (He said in a sarcastic tone of voice). What did you people think the Xbox Live marketplace was for, exactly? No precedent here, folks. Hell, there's nothing new here at all - This is just standard expansion pack content, being doled out in smaller, cheaper chunks than usual. I would have thought people would appreciate having greater choice over what extras they can pick and choose rather than having to shell out a wad of cash for all or nothing, but no.

    And the point I was actually making with the 'disconnect' comment still stands - The idea that they ripped people off by keeping back a notable amount of content from the original game is just fucking ludicrous.

  • Furbs #53 6 years ago

    On the PC, yes, yes they are.
    Have you got any proof content WASNT held back? There is a precedent for it you know, not to mention the horse armour has been seen in pre-release vids.
    Edited by 2 at 05/04/06 @ 20:06

  • Talha #54 6 years ago

    A few points.

    (1) There is nothing wrong with charging for extra content, provided it is good-ish value

    (2) There is nothing wrong with exrtra content that COMPLEMENTS a game and EXPANDS it, rather than COMPLETE it

    (3) There is nothing wrong with ignoring this horse armor, as many have rightly pointed out, Oblivion will last most players a few years. In that respect, Oblivion delivers an un-heard of value for money

    (4) This horse armor thingy is (a) too expensive and (b) bug-riddled, apparently and (c) doesn't fulfill any one of the two conditions above. Therefore, it sucks.

    (5) Greater content has been given away by LESSER/'POORER' devs in support of their games in the past for FREE . So it is not irrational or 'whinemongering' to expect Bethesda to be able to give away a damned horse armor in view of the spectacular success Oblivion has met.

    Therefore, there is nothing wrong with the CONCEPT of micropayments for extra content, but in this particular case it is stunningly bad value. While I fully support Bethesda for putting this on the market, I don't think it represents a good purchase. I guess they'd be better off charging for the Construction Set.

    There. This is the be-all and end-all of all posts, as hopefully all of you, who were arguing over TWO DIFFERENT THINGS with shameful results, are staring in stunned silence at this piece of unparalleled reason and eloquent beauty. Now go and kick yourselves
    . ;-)
    Edited by 1 at 06/04/06 @ 07:51

  • kali_mist #55 6 years ago

    Never mind "horse armour" what about "horse-charmer"
    I'd pay for the ability to ride a horse. Everythime I try to get up on my steed, it just moves away. I would like to build up some "horse-charmer" points? Ill try sleeping in the stables. Maybe I can "sneak up"

  • Genji #56 6 years ago

    I am stunned.

  • BartonFink #57 6 years ago

    @Talha spot on.

  • MikeD #58 6 years ago

    "(5) Greater content has been given away by LESSER/'POORER' devs in support of their games in the past for FREE . So it is not irrational or 'whinemongering' to expect Bethesda to be able to give away a damned horse armor in view of the spectacular success Oblivion has met."


    And by bethesda themselves, don't forget. The morrowind official plugins were great fun.

  • Halo.Jones #59 6 years ago

    You can always get the PC version for free, I noticed that the horse armour is floating around on the newgroups already, not sure about being available on torrents but I wouldn't be surprised.

  • kangarootoo #60 6 years ago

    @Talha

    "There. This is the be-all and end-all of all posts, as hopefully all of you, who were arguing over TWO DIFFERENT THINGS with shameful results, are staring in stunned silence at this piece of unparalleled reason and eloquent beauty. Now go and kick yourselves"

    LOL, nice one.

  • dk_rare #61 6 years ago

    Obvlivion just dropped a few notches down on my "Games To Buy Next" list

  • I_Have_The_Power #62 6 years ago

    "Obvlivion just dropped a few notches down on my "Games To Buy Next" list "

    why? coz there's a few wobbly bottom lips in here about a little patch that you ***don't have to buy***?

    more fool you then...

    Edited by 1 at 06/04/06 @ 18:19

  • dk_rare #63 6 years ago

    Someone else summed it up better than my paraphrasing, but I don't like to buy an incomplete game for premium price and then told that I need to buy an unknown amount of extras at one quid fifty each just to get the complete game. It's fucked up, I mean some games make you earn these extra things by unlocking them with high scores or progress... this game forces you to pay cash for them.

  • Groggen #64 6 years ago

    It's so easy to just say "Don't like it, don't buy it, quit whining etc etc".... But you fail to see the problem here.. _If_ this turns into a goldmine for Bethesda, why on earth would they want to release big worthwhile expansion packs for 20£ when they could release the same amount of content as plugins amounting to 200£.

    And if they do release an expansion pack it will for sure be stripped down since much of the content they produced have already been released as plugins. Or they have had less man hours into the expansion pack since some resources have been busy with the creation of "useless" plugins.

    I think most of us doesn't simply "refuse" to buy any content at all.. most of us just want good value for our money. Think Bioware's premium content, 5-10 bucks for -5-10 hours gameplay, new items, new music etc etc... Now, that is value for money, at least perceived value. 2 bucks for 2 skins, or a room with a few alchemy items, or a house aint good value for money in the long run.



  • I_Have_The_Power #65 6 years ago

    @DK_rare and Groggen

    Right, first up it's Microsoft's business plan to have paid for content - Bethesda are just charging for the PC content as part of a deal with Microsoft. Otherwise, Why the hell would people by the 360 version with its paid for content when they could get it for free on the pc?

    Secondly, the game IS complete. The horse armour is an additional nicety if you go in for that kinda thing. You went to a shop, you bought the game - and its a complete (and very in-depth) package. Some horse armour doesn't make the game complete in any way, shape or form. If there are any bug fixes to that, they will be free, but you can't go around saying; "Well i paid for my game - i want limitless content and support forever!" Its not practical and by alot of dev studio's not feisable. That horse armour probably took an artist and coder 2 days create and implement - so thats at least £200 worth of work at the lowest wage bracket in the industry.

    no but you're right, "i fail to see the problem here" - i 'fail' to see that greedy consumers see it as their right to get a limitless experience and not expect to pay a measly amount for it.... Oh and yes, all dev studios are out to screw us all over and pry the money from our cold dead fingers...

    Edited by 1 at 07/04/06 @ 11:22

  • Groggen #66 6 years ago

    @I_Have_The_Power

    Correct me if I am wrong but I have a very hard time to believe that MS and Beth have a contract that states that all PC plugins should cost money. If that is the case, the business is even worse than I thought. I can understand since they cost on the 360 they have to charge PC as well due to other reasons (profit, morality, equality etc etc)

    Why would anyone want to buy a 360 version if the PC plugins were free? First of, Morrowind sold like hotcakes on Xbox and was available on PC for much cheaper price. Second, not all people have the PC power to run the game at the same quality as a 360. Thirdly, many like the idea of a couch, huge TV and controller. If we should follow your logic, NO games would be sold on console except for exclusives since it's always cheaper on the PC.

    What we are trying to argue for is that we might (I say might since none of us can predict how Beth will handle this in the future) end up paying 200-300£ for the same amount of content that previously cost us 80£(MW+expansions+free plugins). Instead of having the "bloodmoon-for-OB" for 20£ they might instead choose to release 100 mods for 1-2£ each. Is that a good direction for us customers??

    But in the end, it's all up to Beth and what marketing plan is the most profitable for them. They are a business and are fully entitled to whatever they want to do. If we want it, fine.. if we don't want it, it's their loss I guess..

  • I_Have_The_Power #67 6 years ago

    "Correct me if I am wrong but I have a very hard time to believe that MS and Beth have a contract that states that all PC plugins should cost money"

    no - as far as i am aware, their contract is that any content that is available for the 360 and that is made available for the PC has to be paid for. Granted, Beth might decide that this is what they want to do for ALL thier content, but i guess that lies with them.

    I agree with you on 'why' people would want to buy a console version, but this thread is about people moaning about paying for PC content, so that point is kinda mute.

    Your 3rd point, and seemingly a trend in forums, is that people speculate, and others jump on the band-wagon. You are right when you said; "I say might since none of us can predict how Beth will handle this in the future" - i was just trying to make people see logic, and from a dev studio's point of veiw. As i said, a large number of PC users (again, what this thread is about) seemingly feel that ALL content should be free to them, and are of the understanding that the game they left the shop with is an incomplete package - which is utter rubbish.

    overall you're right tho - You, me and all the other's here have no idea whats going on in the CEO of Beth's head - it just annoys me when people whine about what 'might happen' in forums.


    Edited by 1 at 07/04/06 @ 12:20