New Forza 2 track tomorrow

By Tom Bramwell Published 25 October, 2007

Set wallets to automatic.

Forza Motorsport 2's first downloadable race-track will go live tomorrow, 26th October, developer Turn 10 has said.

Speaking to GameSpot, lead designer Dan Greenawalt revealed that it's Twin Ring Motegi in Japan, and that it will cost 600 Microsoft points (GBP 5.10 / EUR 6.98).

"Why Motegi? Motegi was already on a short list of tracks with international name recognition and cool gameplay moments that we started researching immediately after finishing FM2," Greenawalt explained.

"However, knowing how long it took to create each environment [three to five months, apparently], Motegi moved to the top of the pile because of how many ribbons that we could give players with this one environment. Basically, we knew that Motegi would give players the most gameplay bang!"

And it will certainly give Microsoft's coffers a fair old bang at just over a fiver. What do you reckon, Eurogamers? Too much?

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Comments (47) Latest comment 4 years ago

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  • Jowiddaflo #1 4 years ago

    five pounds for a track????

  • mattigan #2 4 years ago

    I wouldn't pay £5 for the full game!

  • InfiniteFury #3 4 years ago

    £5 is not a micro-payment. Next.

    Edit - what where the PGR2 booster packs like, I can't remember? Something like a whole new city (and all the work that entails), somewhere between half a dozen and ten tracks and about 4-5 new cars and I seem to remember all that costing £4-something.
    Edited by 2 at 25/10/07 @ 10:01

  • weeno #4 4 years ago

    way too much!

  • Arwin #5 4 years ago

    Tracks are important to me, but I do think it should be in proportion to the rest of the game. Say that half of the work for Forza went into creating tracks = $30 (I'm being generous). Next divide that by the number of tracks in the game ... fifteen? So that makes $2 a fair price. Five pounds then would be a healthy profit, but assuming that not everyone buys the track so there's less of a turnover, 2.99 seems the right price for this that still leaves plenty of room for profit.

    But they'll charge whatever they can get away with I'm sure. And right now your average Xbox owner is still wealthy, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did get away with it.
    Edited by 1 at 25/10/07 @ 10:02

  • rob230 #6 4 years ago

    I want it but sod £5, will get it when it's free or get some points for a gift at xmas

  • rashes #7 4 years ago

    I think this price might be above most peoples tipping point. At least I hope so.
    Must be aimed at people that are still playing multiplayer.

    THey will do the old GRAW trick of not being able to join any games where someone has already bought the content so you end up buying it so your game searchs aren't restricted.

  • CocoPops #8 4 years ago

    £5 seems a bit steep for just 1 track!!

    Maybe 2 or 3 tracks, but not just 1.

  • SteveB #9 4 years ago

    Seems expensive.

    How can you use this new track ? If it's time trials and online only then I'll give it a miss, but if it's incorporated into the career mode then I might be tempted. Does anyone know ?

  • SharkVLion #10 4 years ago

    Too expensive; should be £2, £3 at most

  • homerramone #11 4 years ago

    At £5 for one measly track ill stick with PGR4 (which already has waaay more tracks than FM2 anyway). I enjoyed Forza 2, but it got real thin real quick simply giving you the same tracks over and over, but with a few more laps :-(
    Seems to me they probably deliberatley kept the number of tracks down so they could sell more !
    Well they can keep em !
    150-200 should be the max for one track - and thats pushing it !

  • InfiniteFury #12 4 years ago

    @ Arwin

    The thing is under the umbrella of the price you've quoted for the game you've also already paid for:

    Music - licensing work, royalties and implementation
    General audio
    AI
    Any common assets
    Bulk testing (OK, they've got to make sure sticking in a new piece of content doesn't shaft the whole thing)
    Game engine

    etc etc

    This is a spank, nothing more nothing less. Unfortunately I suspect there'll be no shortage of willing bottoms.

    Now I think about it, £2.99 rings a bell for those PGR2 booster packs and I remember when we were up in arms about THAT amount, should have been on the disc and what have you.
    Edited by 1 at 25/10/07 @ 10:13

  • kiroquai #13 4 years ago

    £5 for Motegi? Erm.. no. £5 for Le Mans Sarthe or Bathurst? Possibly.

  • BadDevotions #14 4 years ago

    bring on brands hatch!

    /keeps wishing.

  • Gnort #15 4 years ago

    Does not compute. Even if all you paid for in the main game was the 13 or so tracks, and Turn 10 programmed the game engine, modeled the cars, stamped the discs and printed the manuals ex gratia, that would still only be GBP3, or about 350 MSP per track.

    I love me some Forza, but this DLC needs to be boycotted. Unfortunately, like the Guitar Hero DLC, enough people will charge out there and buy it to vindicate Turn 10's filthy little bit of extortion.

    Edit: I seem to have said exactly the same thing as Infinitefury. Must...type...faster...
    Edited by 1 at 25/10/07 @ 10:23

  • layleeloo #16 4 years ago

    I agree with all comments as well as infinate fury's. Yes we were all up in arms about £3 for PGR2 etc, however we need to remember time has moved on and the time it takes to program a track like in forza 2 is far greater than that in pgr2 due to the graphical and environmental enhancements etc.

    I do agree £5 is too much though - only in relevance to the game as someone said. If they charged that for the tracks in the orignal game it should have been over £75. So yes, it is too much - but we do need to understand it takes a lot more effort to program. i think however if the price was lower, they would re couperate more money back as more wpuld buy it. Rather than charging a lot and only a few (theoretically) buying it.

  • Raziel #17 4 years ago

    Ever stop to wonder if they didnt allready have this stuff done during development, and just leave it out on purpose, so they can sell it later?

  • Agent_Llama #18 4 years ago

    "Ever stop to wonder if they didnt allready have this stuff done during development, and just leave it out on purpose, so they can sell it later?"

    It was clearly done with Viva Pinata etc etc.

    The Katamari incident was bad enough, this is equally so. But like people have said, folks will fork out for it and the bank balance will justify Microsoft's actions. Meh.

  • systems #19 4 years ago

    If you read the original Gamespot interview you'll see:

    Q. Motegi is known for its dual-track nature--a road course and an oval. How many variations will you be able to run in the game, and how are the different ribbons configured?

    A. Four variations, including three road courses and the oval.

    So it's a fiver for four "tracks" in one racing area. I agree that it's a bit much, but this game needs more tracks more than anything. £3 would be about right (i.e. 10% of the retail price for the whole game).

  • LOLLERS #20 4 years ago

    "Ever stop to wonder if they didnt allready have this stuff done during development, and just leave it out on purpose, so they can sell it later? "

    If they were going to do that, you'd have thought they would do it much sooner, you know when more people were actually still playing the game?

    £5 is a lot really, but it's also not when you realise it's comparable to a pint of beer which will give you an hours entertainment at most. Don't forget that this one track (well, 4 tracks to be exact) has to go through the same testing and certification process as the whole game did, which is not cheap. I'm not saying they're not going to profit from it because they obviously are, it's a business. But Turn 10 are probably not going to release a full game for another 2 years so it seems fair enough if it stops them going under...

    Edited by 1 at 25/10/07 @ 10:46

  • mkreku #21 4 years ago

    ONE track?! Gee, how generous.

  • Anthony_UK #22 4 years ago

    The extra cites for Gotham 2 were actually already on the disk…..you merely paid your £4.00 to unlock them!

    That was disgraceful, although I still bought them at the time  Regarding Forza although I don’t mind paying for content that is honestly created after game has shipped and not just held back, £5 for one track is still to expensive bearing in mind there’s less tracks in Forza 2 than there was in the original Forza in the first place!!!

  • dynarama #23 4 years ago

    Just put £5 towards PGR4.

    Got bored of Forza2 in about 10 days - customisation was great but the racing left me cold.

  • Gnort #24 4 years ago

    @LOLLERS

    While I do sympathise with the "it's not really a lot of money" argument, the problem is that there is quite a lot of DLC that we're interested in, and if it's all premium priced, it builds up and adds quite a lot to what can already be a fairly costly pastime.

    Bear in mind that before the microtransaction era that Microsoft so happily welcomed us into, this sort of thing would probably have been released for free (if it was done at all, which it might not have been).

    Also, I live in South Africa, where a pint of beer is roughly the equivalent of £1.
    Edited by 1 at 25/10/07 @ 10:56

  • plok #25 4 years ago

    Forza cost £40 and had loads of cars and tracks, a box and nice manual. 1/8 of that cost for one track I don't think so!!

  • groovychainsaw #26 4 years ago

    Unfortunately ,forza got boring once you realised that career (later on) simply involved racing for 1/2 hour, thrashing your opposition and getting bored, with no way to step up the challenge. don't see how one track will improve that, I'll stick to PGR4, which, as someone mentioned, gets you rather more tracks for £30...

  • Altrezia #27 4 years ago

    Too expensive - not buying. I love forza, but have already spent £50 on the game.

    If they release 10 more tracks, equallying GranTurismo's race-track-count, does that really make the game worth £100? I dont think so.

  • rhubarbandcustard #28 4 years ago

    Forza 2 is a stayer in most people's gaming collection. I would rather support the Forza 2 title by buying DLC than simply buying a new title. Besides which, Forza 2 has literally hundreds of cars making for serious amounts of variation in races. Adding new downloadable tracks over time is a great idea which I for one fully support. One new environment (with multiple track variations) every three months please.

  • inomine #29 4 years ago

    Instant buy!

    I couldn't care less about the car-packs they brought out, what with there already being far too many cars in that game, but an extra track is a great addition. Would be nice if they can get it integrated into the single-player game.

  • Toothball #30 4 years ago

    @ SteveB
    How can you use this new track ? If it's time trials and online only then I'll give it a miss, but if it's incorporated into the career mode then I might be tempted. Does anyone know ?

    This is what I'm more interested in. Driving round Paris in PGR2 was nice, but it was a little aimless really. Fun for multiplayer, but you didn't get the same feel for the place as you did with the other cities in the career mode. Even some kind of arcade races would be better than just the track to race. Having said that, I'll probably buy it anyway because I'm a sucker for new content.

  • DDevil #31 4 years ago

    I'll consider this one. But I've been burnt buying extra content that no-one else uses before (GoW map pack anyone?)

    Here's a map of the track if anyone is interested.

  • pinhead #32 4 years ago

    How about the top gear test track and downloads of 40 classic top gear programs via marketplace as the BBC cannot be seen to be favouring anyone as a public broadcaster.

    ;-)

    /gets coat

  • dk_rare #33 4 years ago

    I have already spent 50 quid on the special edition, I don't think I will be buying any more cars and tracks. If they release 10 tracks, that is another 50 quid. Not to mention the cars. If I fell into the micropayment trap I could end up paying for the entire game all over again :(

  • DDevil #34 4 years ago

    @ Pinhead: Yeah, you better get your coat, because that Top Gear content was provided by BBC Worldwide who are basically a separate company who are allowed to commerically sell BBC programmes etc. I'm not sure how it works exactly, but that's the basic gist of it :-)

  • estoo #35 4 years ago

    A fiver for one track is way too much, appreciate they take ages to make but what about upscaling and touching up some tracks from forza 1? That wouldn't take that long.....

  • SBfistfun #36 4 years ago

    Daylight robbery I tells ya

  • Perjoss #37 4 years ago

    too little too late,
    we needed this maybe 2 or 3 weeks after launch, and not at this price either. Forza has lost much appeal since its launch, especially with FUN driving games here like pgr4.

  • superdelphinus #38 4 years ago

    £5 is a joke

  • cyber_nicco #39 4 years ago

    Jesus,

    You are a bunch of cheap bastards, aren't you?

    Let's see, what do you get for fiver... A relatively cheap lunch that you will enjoy for an hour or two if you were hungry, or an additional track to enjoy your favorite racing game on. I would get a LOT more from the latter...

    That being said, cheaper is better...

  • XBoxDragon #40 4 years ago

    "The extra cites for Gotham 2 were actually already on the disk…..you merely paid your £4.00 to unlock them! "

    No they weren't, the music inbetweens for the cities was, but the actual cities were not, thats why the downloads were about 200MB each.

  • DAN.E.B #41 4 years ago

    No chance way too much! looks like this sort of things gonna get worse and worse! the old XBOX DLC was much better value for money.

  • Darren #42 4 years ago

    Stuff that... £5 for ONE track. How about £5 for 5 or 10. And why didn't the game itself contain more new tracks instead of recycling the already overfamiliar and dull ones from the Xbox version. I was bored of Forza 2's tracks within a couple of hours of playing the game!

  • Darren #43 4 years ago

    @Cyber_nico - Look at it like this... £40 for a game with 18 tracks, £45 for a game with 19. Doesn't look like such good value now does it? ;)

  • X #44 4 years ago

    Pathetic value, like a lot of Marketplace downloads. Some people just go crazy with points.

  • yagisencho #45 4 years ago

    I might actually be tempted...if my 360 hadn't just gone TU with the Red Ring of Death.

  • BBIAJ #46 4 years ago

    @ Darren:

    You didn't actually bother to read the article properly, did you, or systems' post for that matter?

    It's three road tracks, plus an oval, technically making it £1.25 per track.

  • oneiros #47 4 years ago

    Don't know how official this is: http://fo rums.forzamotorsport.net/forums...