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MW2 street date "most broken in history" News

PC Xbox 360 PlayStation 3 News by Games Industry.biz

9 November, 2009

The release date for Modern Warfare 2 has been one of the most disregarded in the history of UK games retail, according to SimplyGames MD Neil Muspratt.

Evidence suggests that many online retailers received stock of the game as early as last Wednesday and shipped it immediately, he told GamesIndustry.biz; an action which has led to hundreds of cancelled pre-orders for stores adhering to the official November 10 release date.

"So far it appears that the street date of Modern Warfare has been one of the most commonly broken in the history of UK games retailing. We only got our stock on Saturday and have had to pay for every copy to go out by courier in order that it reaches people tomorrow.

"We've seen dispatch notes, delivery reports and hundreds of cancelled orders from people who received their copy early."

Retailers have further concerns too that even after stock is sent to customers they could experience high numbers of returns and refunds as the supermarkets slash prices as low as GBP 25.

There are fears, said ShopTo CEO Igor Cipolletta, the title will be devalued by these supermarket deals, both upon launch and in the future as the value of trade-ins and second hand stock is impacted.

"We invested a lot of money and energy to ensure our customers receive their game on release date and hope that the most awaited game of the year is able to retain its value, but fear that loss leaders are both devaluing a new product and consequently affecting second hand and trade-in prices also," he commented.

Cipolletta called for publishers to consider "categorising" their customers as a result before they see themselves hit by the actions of the supermarkets.

"This may be something that Activision and others can control. We feel that there are currently enough specialist retailers and etailers to supply and cover the market, and publishers do not need supermarkets and similar to promote such titles as this and FIFA," he said.

"Publishers may need to begin categorising their customers and supplying the right product to the right ones. For example, a mass market title like Professor Layton may be more oriented to a supermarket, whereas a 'hardcore' title such as MW2 might be better suited to specialist retailers, otherwise we may find ourselves in a position where there will be less unit sales, which will hurt publishers and their investments as a result.

"I hope publishers are looking into this and make changes where appropriate."

Earlier today several specialist retailers praised Activision's handling of MW2's launch so far, saying it has dealt with it to the best of its ability.

The sentiment was echoed by Cipolletta who blamed the early sending out of copies of the game on etailers selling European stock not meant for UK customers.

"Activision has done a good job with the direct account holders that they are dealing with," he said. "I don't see how they can improve on this, with some stock always being outside of their control."

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RobotRocker
09/11/09 @ 18:14
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Consumers to Retailers: "Get over yourselves you pricks"
the_sas_man
09/11/09 @ 18:17
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It's a two edged sword using postal deliveries. In this day and age of postal hell, how an earth can a retailer make 100% sure the game arrives on day or release?

If a game arrives early, publisher is mad but gamer is happy.

If a game arrives late, gamer is mad and retailer suffers.

Unfortunately, it's one of those necessary evils of big releases, especially by post. It's not a practice the film industry has to worry about (unless illegal copies).

Likewise, if you receive a DVD release or CD album early in the post there doesn't seem to be the same debacle as games. Not sure why that is, just an interesting point.
Ducklord
09/11/09 @ 18:21
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Actually, it's probably just that this game is big enough for people to notice. I mean, would anyone care if a Harry Potter game was sent early by every retailer in existence?

And if Sainbury's are selling at £26, my moral highground will be well and truly surrendered.
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Rich72
09/11/09 @ 18:22
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£25? i'd buy one on 360 and ps3 to play with both sets of mates. a trip to asda in the morning me thinks, just to check
Derblington
09/11/09 @ 18:24
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These 2 do like to whinge.
the_sas_man
09/11/09 @ 18:25
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So it's confirmed Asda is doing it for £25?
carlitoswagon
09/11/09 @ 18:25
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Thanks GAME for my courier delivery this afternoon. I love you!

p.s. All haters can watch the montages on youtube.
Gazza_UK
09/11/09 @ 18:31
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£25 at Tesco if you buy another "chart game"
the_sas_man
09/11/09 @ 18:31
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@MrEd..

£32 is still very good! I just heard a lot of people on forums saying it's £25 at ASDA. I've yet to see any proof of this either, but still tempted at the £32.
the_sas_man
09/11/09 @ 18:33
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Scrap that - Sainsbury are doing it for £26!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009/nov...
Xeopuppy
09/11/09 @ 18:35
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Who cares about Retailers, get it off Steam...
Paperghost
09/11/09 @ 18:38
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They should "categorise" 55 RRP as rather silly, then we might be more receptive. Until then he can kiss my shiny metal asda.
sigmagoat
09/11/09 @ 18:39
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ShopTo CEO Igor Cipolletta having a good whinge.... LOL Cry moar
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09/11/09 @ 18:42
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I can't help think that part of this has been caused by the inflated RRP set by Activision. Surely there wouldn't have been as much of a clamour to get the lowest price.

Well, I mean there still would have been low prices by supermarkets and so on, but I still got the cheapest price I could rather than pre-ordering from Play like normal because of it. Fuck you Bobby Kotick, and stick your £55 RRP up your fat spotty arse.
jonsaan
09/11/09 @ 18:45
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Competition is good.
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09/11/09 @ 18:46
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Many online retailers have broken street date due to the fact a two day postal strike was only just averted. Can hardly blame them for wanting to avoid disappointing customers with late delivery.

As for the price war, it's just the supermarkets squeezing smaller retailers as usual. Great for us consumers in the short term, but not so good for competition, choice, and a whole lot of jobs long term.
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09/11/09 @ 18:48
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This is the supermarkets flicking the V's at Activision for putting the RRP at £55 and I for one am all for it. Im a big fan of IW but Activision's hype machine almost killed my interest in this game.
Mark1412
09/11/09 @ 18:48
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I ordered from shopto but please, Igor, tell me why I shouldn't return my £42.99 copy when I can either get it for the same price earlier from another online retailer, or £26 at midnight tonight from Sainsbury? I mean, that's earlier than you too!

I know it's hard for retailers, but one of the reasons I buy online is to get games earlier than street date.

Obviously that's totally a consumer point of view there.
Machetazo
09/11/09 @ 18:50
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50% more popular than GTA IV on Amazon.
http://www.videogamer.com/news/modern_wa...
serpantdarius
09/11/09 @ 18:50
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"The sentiment was echoed by Cipolletta who blamed the early sending out of copies of the game on etailers selling European stock not meant for UK customers"

yeah because shopto never used to sell eu copies of games that weren't meant for uk customers.
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09/11/09 @ 18:51
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Amazon are doing the game for £32 although if you order now you dont get it dispatched until the 10th!
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09/11/09 @ 18:53
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yeah because shopto never used to sell eu copies of games that weren't meant for uk customers.

Indeed, that's pretty bloody hypocritical considering the number of titles I've had from Shopto that very obviously weren't UK sourced copies.
p00ntang
09/11/09 @ 18:55
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Where's the review then?
spazmo
09/11/09 @ 18:55
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The Hype machine in full effect.
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09/11/09 @ 19:01
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The embargo that Activision has put on any reviews is absolutely tragic. Only the Telegraph seems to have dared break it.
bratmandu
09/11/09 @ 19:02
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Game and Gamestop - please get bent you sons of bitches. The amount of hassle I've had from both stores over the last 10 years outweighs any sympathy I would have had for the demise of the high street retailer. Internet shopping/downloading straight to console is the future, adapt or die.
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09/11/09 @ 19:08
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when I can either get it for the same price earlier from another online retailer, or £26 at midnight tonight from Sainsbury? I mean, that's earlier than you too!

LOL seriously.. i recommend you send your game back and then see if you can go pick it up from one of the supermarkets (not that Im supporting ShopTo as ive never purchased from them). You know the supermarkets buy probably about 2 to 3 thousand of these games and sell them off cheap. Why, because they are loss leaders and they dont want to lose that much money. They can get the good press that they sold an item at an amazing price. You will find the majority of people will turn up and not actually get a copy (it wouldnt surprise me if half the staff get the game before it goes on the shelf as well).

So by all means try it, I hope your lucky, but most people will find the item out of stock and will probably have to buy it from the normal retailers anyway.

Ive actually got it pre-ordered from Asda, but I can bet that when i turn up tomorrow, they wont have any pre-order stock (which kinda kills the whole concept of pre-order). So i will probably be buying it elsewhere. Its a shame the Big stores are getting the press for actually not doing much for the buyer (say 5000 copies when compared to probably a couple of hundred thousand sold is not much).
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09/11/09 @ 19:09
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"We invested a lot of money and energy to ensure our customers receive their game on release date and hope that the most awaited game of the year is able to retain its value, but fear that loss leaders are both devaluing a new product and consequently affecting second hand and trade-in prices also,"

I don't see how this will affect the second hand values?

asda/tesco/sainsburys and morrisons will sell these at a loss for a few days only. once they've cleared out
their intial batch, it'll be back upto full RRP ala FIFA10.

CoD MW is still approximately £25 to £30 second hand after how long now?
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09/11/09 @ 19:13
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09/11/09 @ 19:20
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Mines getting returned to shopto as soon as it arrives, do they really expect customers to pay £15 over the odds and be happy about it. Even some small token gesture could have saved the sale but many just seem to want to pretend the price war isn't happening in the hopes people don't realize.
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09/11/09 @ 19:26
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The irony in this situation is overwhelming. Activision try to sell Modern Warfare 2 for more money than any other 'standard' Xbox 360 game in the past, and yet it is now one of the cheapest blockbuster releases there is. It's even cheaper than ODST was, and that was just an expansion.

Once again, the irony...

Anyway, I'll be hopping on the train to Asda tomorrow. It's a confirmed £25?
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niteninja
09/11/09 @ 19:27
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Gamestation are refusing to price match with the supermarkets same as blockbuster.
Still have the trade in advantage though.
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09/11/09 @ 19:32
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To what extent does the Royal Mail strike all affect this though? After all, if Play.com were to wait until the day before the day before launch to send their pre-order copies out, then they'd have a million angry people on the phone when it took another week to get through the Royal Mail backlog. I'm not making excuses for anyone here, but...
Mercatoria
09/11/09 @ 19:39
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why is this a problem if a game is released early. I just dont get it.
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09/11/09 @ 19:46
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There are usually some pretty hefty fines involved for stores breaking street date so I can see why they would be a little miffed.
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09/11/09 @ 19:50
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there's at least 170,000 people who have played this already on xbox live (that was my rank after one game of team deathmatch), the guy at the top of the leaderboards has clocked over 3 days playtime already ...

the good news is so far the game is really good
makeamazing
09/11/09 @ 19:51
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why is this a problem if a game is released early. I just dont get it.

Read above :) but in short its called a unfair competative advantage.
niteninja
09/11/09 @ 19:52
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Morrisons going to announce their price at about 10 o clock uk time.
Are game retailers now obsolete?
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"Anyway, I'll be hopping on the train to Asda tomorrow. It's a confirmed £25?"

No, it's £32 at ASDA - read the thread!
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09/11/09 @ 19:57
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"This may be something that Activision and others can control."

It sure is, Mr Retailer. They could make it so everyone can sell their games for a more than reasonable £25. But they won't, so you'll just have to either shut up or go and find a new business.
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"Anyway, I'll be hopping on the train to Asda tomorrow. It's a confirmed £25?"

"No, it's £32 at ASDA - read the thread!"

Ah, okay then. Still, pretty cracking deal, compared to the £44 GAME is selling it for.
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09/11/09 @ 19:58
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I find the price debate ridiculous. If a shop wants to sell it for almost no profit whatsoever or maybe even at a loss it is their decision. The industry is big enough so we really don't have to worry about less competition. There are more than enough sales out there for everybody.

On the other hand I agree that selling games too early is bad and fines should be accordinly rough. However, I think this is also the publisher's fault. Why choose a Tuesday to release your game? That gives retailers just one business day to ship the game and every other shop an entire weekend to sell the game. Why not release it on a Friday like everyone else? More than enough time to ship the game and let's face it: People want to play this over the weekend. If they preordered and are going to get it on Friday they will be happy, I doubt hordes of gamers will cancel their preorders just because they can get it on Thursday in Asda. As long as they get it before the weekend everyone will be happy.

Another possibility would be to actually lock the game until the day of release like it's the case with games released on Steam. Buy the game/Preload the game but you can't actually start it before it is released. It would be difficult to pull off because I am sure that there are still some 360s out there with no internet connection (which obviously isn't a problem on Steam if you download the game from the internet anyway).
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09/11/09 @ 20:04
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I like Igor and while I appreciate he has a business to run, I do think he tried to give as much value as he can to customers.

However, it just seems like sour grapes here that he can't rival the buyng power of the big supermarkets. Rather than lobbying publishers to implement bizarre genre segregation as he proposes, he should be pressuring ELSPA and the big three manufactures to lower license fees so that it's more of a level playing field to start with.
Jay-ITFC
09/11/09 @ 20:06
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"The sentiment was echoed by Cipolletta who blamed the early sending out of copies of the game on etailers selling European stock not meant for UK customers."

Pot. Kettle. Black.
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However, it just seems like sour grapes here that he can't rival the buyng power of the big supermarkets

Ironically the Supermarkets are not actually buying that many copies as ive heard (for FIFA is was in the low thousands). Its not the buying power thats the problem, its the ability to make a loss on such products, they can afford to make a loss on the copies 9 (as they are rich) and have purchased a low number anyway. If people think thats fine, well i guess it is if you get a copy that cheap, but i reckon not that many people will :D...
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"Our anger at ourselves for essentially sucking too much to actually be competitive is causing us to become unreasonably loud and whiny, as has become normal for this kind of circumstance. Moreover, our unwarranted sense of entitlement, and the mistaken belief that anyone actually cares about our welfare even though we transparently do not care about anyone other than ourselves, is once again plain for all to see" said a spokesman for specialist retailers, when we swooped on him in search of a comment in the brief window between spitting his dummy and sucking his thumb. "I never asked to be born you know. It's not fair. I hate you." he added.
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"Our anger at ourselves for essentially sucking too much to actually be competitive is causing us to become unreasonably loud and whiny, as has become normal for this kind of circumstance. Moreover, our unwarranted sense of entitlement, and the mistaken belief that anyone actually cares about our welfare even though we transparently do not care about anyone other than ourselves, is once again plain for all to see" said a spokesman for specialist retailers, when we swooped on him in search of a comment in the brief window between spitting his dummy and sucking his thumb. "I never asked to be born you know. It's not fair. I hate you." he added.

LOL! :D
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Pirotic
09/11/09 @ 20:18
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I'd love to ask shopto why they charged cards and refused to cancel orders around the exact time sainsburys announced the price cut, despite them not having it in stock at that point.
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09/11/09 @ 20:21
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I just phoned Asda in Colchester and they refused to confirm the price.
However, Asda in Basildon DID confirm at £32 quid.

Both are confirmed open at mid-night tonight the game will go on sale from 00:01.
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Must. Post. Another. MW2 Article.


I can't wait until tomorrow when the game is finally released and Activision finally lift the review embargo so we can get the last of the MW2 shit out of the way and read about some decent games. I haven't really been bothered about this franchise for a few years now, it's stale and tired and needs to do something different, or just stop to make way for a new IP, whichever IW feel more like doing.

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