MS: Halo 3 outsold six PS3 titles combined
Greenberg goes on offensive pre-E3.
Affable Xbox 360 mouthpiece Aaron Greenberg has stirred things up ahead of next week's traditional Sony vs. Microsoft E3 battle by claiming that Halo 3 sales are more than most of Sony's first-party line-up put together.
"Just in from research team (NPD): Halo 3 has outsold Resistance 1 + 2, Uncharted 1+2, Killzone 2 and God of War III COMBINED....wow," Greenberg tweeted overnight.
Microsoft said in January 2008 that Halo 3 had sold 8.1 million copies worldwide, and according to unofficial VGChartz data it passed the 10 million threshold last August, since when it has also joined the Xbox Live Games on Demand line-up.
According to Sony, the two Uncharted games have sold over 4.5 million combined, while God of War III was quickly reported to have hit 1.1m worldwide, and Killzone 2 and the original Resistance: Fall of Man both topped 1m. Data for Resistance 2 doesn't seem to be available.
Greenberg is often referred to by Destructoid as Microsoft's "Minister of Propaganda" - a label he once gave Eurogamer the impression he rather enjoys - and is intimately involved in orchestrating the platform holder's E3 press conference, which takes place next Monday, 14th June, at 10am PST / 6pm BST.
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Sure they look nice, but the key ingredients just arent there.
Halo sells because the most important component - the gameplay - is head and shoulders above any competition.
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These mouth pieces are just embarrassing, the constant playground shouts of "we are better than you!" from supposedly professional people is one of the reasons I started to go off the consoles this gen.
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Clearly Mr Fraud you cant have played any of the PS3 games he mentions.
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Resistance 1+2?
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What? Yeah I will give you 2 perhaps (Didnt enjoy it as much as 1) but 1 was my first game on PS3 and it was frikken awesome and it played just fine. I had lots of online sessions with it too which all in all was pretty well implemented and well, you know. Pretty Good To Play!
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As for the potshots, i can never understand why people get so worked up about them. No offense to bad09, but getting turned of, in what my opinion is the best gen of consoles yet, just becasue some mouths are shooting off, is either forum hyperbole, or you're very, very easily annoyed.
They're doing their job, they're making noise. Ignore it.
In fairness though, GOW3, and Uncharted 2 are stand out games, and probably did deserve better sales figures, but i've long since traded them in, yet i kept halo 3, and even replaced it when i cracked the disc. There is something halo3 that i go back to every few months. Its hard to argue with that.
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Right from the first xbox and Halo 1 it was awesome*, I remember going home more or less every lunch time to play it with a buddy and that loyalty and model aint going to be broken easily.
The 360 has a HUGE install base all over the world and when titles that have the history and prestige of a Halo game, everyone is in.
It just the way it is.
*Halo 1 was awesome but I havent bothered with any of the others. Im not part of that community. I had a bash on ODST recently and it just didnt take.
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Totally agree with you, man.
Even worse - in my opinion - is they created proper hordes of disciples... 360 fanboys proud of 'their' sales, PS3 ones with their paintings in motion...
Really, this new breed of fanboys (even if they arent 'boys' anymore, by any means) is what I blame this gen for the most.
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Their stats would shame Aaron and have Sony's feeling even more inadequate!
Aye the sales are never an indictaor of quality, but rather that of having some right stuff; such as how to appeals to say, the kids or how to best fleece fools of their money!
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I own a PS3 and have played all the mentioned exclusives. I even bought a couple of them. Sold most of them on pretty quick though.
Demons Souls and wipeout are the only PS3 exclusives that have truly quality gameplay.
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It was all good fun( resistance games were a bit of a slog).
Gaming is fun.
There's a difference between consoles you say??
I'm meant to prefer one over the other you say?
No. It's ALL good.
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That may well be your opinion but im sure the hoards of people that Curshed Hades in GOWIII, concqured the train section in Uncharted 2 and shot lots of Helghast in the face in Killzone 3 would disagree.
You can't honestly say they arent "Very good to play"
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They were not six totally different games. There was two original games there, four of them are sequels.
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lol cus the figures are as embarrassing as the game was?
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He is talking to the shareholders!!!
How can a gamer care about sales figures??? Gamers care about games.
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"You can't honestly say they arent "Very good to play" "
Uncharted 2 was okay, didnt want to play any further through GoW3 than the demo, but Killzone was not even mediocre. It was just plain bad. Bad to play because of bad controls, bad characters, bad dialog and predictable and tired level design and encounters.
The resistance games were pretty shit too, as was the first uncharted.
So apart from uncharted 2 I can honestly say those games are not very good to play, which is why they did not sell well. Basically they only sold to PS3 loyalists, not people interested in good games.
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He is talking to the shareholders!!!
Wait so now Shareholders are Xbox 360 fanboys to?
It must have been a hoot with Nintendo's shareholder meeting in Japan.
We sold 10x more copies of Wii Play than there are Xbox 360 consoles hur hur hur
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Im not denying the validity of the claim, Halo sold gazillions (and rightly so, I believe), but these PR guys boasts are awfully boring and childish. Pandering to the audience mindset, I suppose.
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You are right they were all bad... Stop talking shit.
Uncharted 1 on Metacritic
Uncharted 2 on Metacritic
God Of War III on Metacritic
Killzone 2 on Metacritic
Resistance 1 on Metacritic
Resistance 2 on Metacritic
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but sony could do the same spin and say uncharted 2 sold more than Halo wars , Banjo and Splinter cell combined.
it's pointless fanboy baiting for games sites and simple marketing spin for investers
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You do know these sales are USA only right?
What sales figure would you consider as "selling well" the Uncharted franchise has sold a 4.5 million which is very good, can't expect every "selling well" game to achieve 10m+ sales.
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It'll be like parent trap, we get the guy from Microsoft and the guy from Sony to have dinner together, and then it'll all be fine I swear it. We would have the Swiss army knife of game consoles, azzah! (I think all of the games mentioned are the equivalent of crappy blockbusters, all flash no substance)
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Anyway, I think we are well past the point in this generation that single console owners are envious of each others' games. If I were to confine myself entirely to Sony exclusives, there would be little time for anything else. I can only imagine it's the same for the other side.
And both these jokers already lost their lunch money to Nintendo.
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I'm simply amassed how easy SDF can be riled up...kinda sad for Sony though,hundreds of millions $$$ poured into those titles and nobody seems to care
It doesn't tell much about those Sony titles but it does say something about Halo 3...
People really really like Halo 3.
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Using metacritic to quantify a games quality is about a valid as me quoting a telephone directory as my list of close and personal friends.
Retards and platform specific (biased) reviews skewing results are what you will find at metacritic, nothing more. It just so happens that retards lies and bias are the things that Sony and its PS3 excell at, hence the scores. It certainly isnt because of the games.
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Greenberg is a douche who can only boast about US numbers as that's where 360 is strongest...never says anything about the slim halving the 360s install base
Anyway E3 soon
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Oh please do tell us what you think of Wii play.
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Perhaps you are right, but it certianly gives a good indication that they are not as you say "BAD". Perhaps not great, perhaps not amazing but certianly not "BAD".
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Are there a truth in the belief that a good number of PS3 installed are used purely as HD home media? As that would help accounts for the gap far more than the advantages of coming on the market first?
What about the views that a good number of the earlier/older X360 sold have since been made obsolete due to RROD and would actually be much less than the double installed base advantage? Then the disparity of the attach rate is made much worse!
Or perhaps in the end..... there is simply no mystery, as the Yanks are even crazier when it's come to Halo and it will just sells and sells and explains all this!
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"This proves conclusively that my Xbox360/PS3 is better than PS3/Xbox360. All Xbox360/PS3 owners are total tards. Halo/Uncharted is the shit, you fanboys with the other console are just jealous. I have played all Xbox/PS3 exclusives and they are all shit whereas all PS3/Xbox exclusives are fookin great."
Please delete as appropriate. Now you can happily skip past the idiots and read the comments that actually have something interesting to say, rather than slogging through the same tired flamewar nonsense by people who actually think they have some kind of affiliation with an enormous multinational corporation who couldn't give less of a shit about any of us.
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God of war 3 sold more than splinter cell.
uncharted 2 has sold more than alan wake.
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Gran Turismo is by far the most popular sony exclusive and has been a flagship title for them just as halo has been for microsoft, and has done very well sales wise.......It'll be interesting to see how many PS3 gamers it attracts.
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In the games industry you are only as good as your last game, MS have basically dumped on the PC gamers (flight sim, age of empires both gone, other key titles having no pc games), there releases this year have been alittle lightweight (I am sure others may disagree), but what i am trying to say is... your only as good as your current year... so work on that, and not passed glories, as thats where Sony went wrong (and hopefully learnt their lesson).
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Prologue is at 4million which was with a much smaller install base so your point has no foundation really
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This is the stupidest phrase on the internet. http://ww w.youtube.com/watch?v=WAOxY_nHd...
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So hypothetically if GT5 matches Halo 3 in terms of overall sales, that doesn't matter because there are already other titles that are better than it despite selling less?
*smirk*
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It's a given that everyone's going to have a go and poke fun in retrospect given how the last 5 years have turned out.
It's been pretty funny to watch. Funny and expensive. Damn.
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Halo: Combat Evolved was awesome though and none of the sequels have come close to capturing the atmosphere and scale of that game. I still remember the day I saw the demo running on an Xbox pod in GAME and how my jaw dropped when I saw and played it for the first time. It was the game that sold the Xbox to me.
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Similarly, I think Halo 3 and its predecessors are the most over-rated games on the planet. I mean, I enjoy blasting people in Halo 3 from time to time, but in all honesty, multiplatform shooters such as Battlefield Bad Company 2 have surpassed it. As much as I despise Modern Warfare 2, that too has far more people playing it than Halo. What Greenberg failed to mention is that COD4 knocked Halo 3 of its 2 month long perch at the top of Xbox Live most played charts effortlessly. It only regained it when World at War was released a year later and the user base was split between World at War players and COD4 players.
Since Halo 3 the numbers have been far lower. Halo Wars barely managed 3 million and ODST managed only a little better than that. A lot of people fell for the hype when it came to Halo 3, as they did with Modern Warfare 2. I remember 8 years ago when Metal Gear Solid 2 was sold out everywhere because there was so much hype about it at the time. The game itself is the weakest in the series. Subsequent MGS games haven't sold anywhere near the same numbers as interest died down after the convoluted second installment.
The Halo Reach beta hasn't done much to change that either. The MP might have a few new bells and whistles, but it's still the same old Halo. The franchise is starting to stagnate and needs fresh ideas. Bungie moving on from it is a good thing in my book, as it allows a new team to inject new ideas into the franchise.
As much as I love my 360, If I had to choose between them it would definately be the PS3 for me. There's just a lot more value there. Free online and lots of variety between the games. More importantly, PS3 has a lot more single player stuff which I prefer over online gaming.
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Course, he has to say this shit about games. Has everyone forgotten xbox 360 is now the console of controllerless games. they've seen the future and the future is lag! Ill be with Sony till my death. Ps1 dominated, best graphics best games, Ps2 dominated, best graphics best games, Ps3 dominates with the best graphics and best games.
Do I really care if the anti-aliasing in red dead redemption makes the stuff that's 500 feet away look slightly blurrier on the ps3 compared to the 360 when I gain Infamous, Killzone, Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted, Little big planet, Resistance, last guardian, ratchet and clank, Motor storm, Grand turismo, God of War, flower, Socom,Heavy rain,ff14, mod nation racrs, mag , yakuza, the list goes on and on.
360 has Halo, Mass Effect (awesome) Alan wake (flop) some second rate Japanese rpg's, crackdown, forza, shadow complex and gears of war.
What do you want, choice or higher sales?
Btw, I own over 60 ps3 games. I dunno why they don't sell so well I have them all, and 2 copies of LBP!
I think there is still stigma that the ps3 is more expensive. I do understand the low attach rates though. take modern warfare. I know a lot of people who only own that one game. Same goes for Halo, They just own and buy one game. I have over sixty games, but there are millions of people who only have one or two games. Those people buy off pure hype. They aren't savvy as to looking into a game before hand. I see more Sony commercials than xbox.
The thing is both consoles have an 8 game attachment rate. The difference is on the ps3 those 8 games have a lot more variety than the 360. On 360 everyone's got halo in there 8 games for instance.
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All the sadder when the boast amounts to "the hole that I piss out of is bigger than yours", rather than, shall we say, a more universally recognised metric.
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That's true in life, but in business boasting about how good you are is generally a smart move.
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I find it odd how you censored the word 'shit' the first time but not the second. Did your inner rage come out there? Are you insecure like Greenberg as well where you have to justify the console you represent by 'shitting' on the other? Grow up
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Dunno, sometimes I expect to play games on it, sometimes I like to browse the shop, sometimes watch a flim with the missus. What I didn't expect was YLOD on my "fat" version. Got a slim recently; it's decent, oh no sorry, it's "sh*t" or "shit" depending on your attention to detail...
Couldn't be bothered with the first bit of your post, as, in my opinion, sh*t games don't sell well. Shit consoles wouldn't sell that well either, the smell would be unbearable after a few hours of play
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Mass fanboy idiocy
Halo bashing
Darren being a tool about Halo again ^^
PS3 bashing
= all met.
GJ PEEPS
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All those PS3 games are better than Halo 3, it's a shame more people don't own a PS3 so they could play these really great games.
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As Mr Churchill is reputed to have said: there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
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Many people prefer 360 exclusives over PS3 exclusives. Fact. The myth that only PS3 has good exclusives is fanboy drivel.
Personally I only enjoyed 2 PS3 exclusives enough to own them, but own and regularly enjoy a large number of 360 exclusives.
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You missed that other expectation, generic 'I'm above it all' posts.
Good job.
Peep.
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OH. It's for Xbox...THAT'S why.
@Nazo: LOL
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This proves conclusively that my Xbox360 is better than PS3. All PS3 owners are total tards. Halo is the shit, you fanboys with the other console are just jealous. I have played all PS3 exclusives and they are all shit whereas all Xbox exclusives are fookin great.
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* December 2009 - GT5P worldwide sales 4,65 million; [link url=http://w ww.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html
]http://ww w.polyphony.co.jp/english/list....[/link]
** April 28, 2008 - "SingStar brand have sold 12 million units across PAL territories, FIVE MILLION of which came in the 12-month period ended March 2008."; [link url=http://www.videogamer .com/news/singstar_sales_march_past_12_million_in_pal_territ ories.html
]http://ww w.videogamer.com/news/singstar_...[/link]
December 3, 2009 - "SingStar Sales Hit 20 Million"; [link url=http://www.edge-online.com/news/singstar-sales-hit- 20-million
]http://ww w.edge-online.com/news/singstar...[/link]
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Fanboys will usually find any excuse to claim a game is overrated if its been well received on a rival platform to their favoured one(specifically between MS and Sony... Nintendo's offerings are sometimes thrown with praise to present a false image of objectivity in their persona).
PS3 fanboys do overrate the exclusives though, it has to be said!
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All he has managed to do, is highlight how brainwashed American gamers are, and how quality and sales figures are totally unconnected.
Not contempt with highlighting the stupidity of his followers, he goes one further by using ONLY NPD data, which only tracks US sales, which conveniently for him, is the only region where the Xbox brand is strongest and the PS3 brand the weakest. Had he looked at global numbers it would have painted a very different picture.
Any sane person will look upon Greenberg's trash talking with the laughable contempt it deserves.
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I think if you want to be objective that could be said of any platform really.
Me personally i like PS3 exclusives, not fussed about Xbox ones, and really dont like Wii games... but you know what, thats just an opinion and opinion doesnt equal fact, just like you stating that PS3 fanboys overate their exclusives... perhaps they just prefer them.
I personally dont see why people go mad for Zelda or Mario (I really dont like the style of nintendo games), but i certainly dont have an issue with anyone who might like them. Sometimes you just have to understand different people like different things and leave it at that
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Normal people don't care about bu bu bu exclusive bullshit...people just buy games that they like...scary thing for fanboys
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But the pedant in me can't let Aba88oir's "and with Halo 3 vs SingStar** they would have lost" comment slide without pointing out that the Singstar sales link he quotes from is for all Singstar titles across all past and present Sony consoles.
If you're going to throw that kind of thing into the mix, you need to tot up all Halo: CE (Xbox, PC and Mac), Halo 2 (Xbox and PC again), Halo3, Halo Wars and Halo: ODST sales and then compare it to all Singstar sales across all platforms. A quick squiz at me old and (un)trusty friend Wikipedia seems to indicate sales in excess of 27 million for the whole franchise, quite a bit more than the "20 MILLION" Singstar sales you mention.
Still, doesn't stop this whole disgrace of a comment from Greenberg being another example of selectively choosing figures which represent what you want them to. Should be a law against it, but then it would stop politicians and news outlets from having anything to say, I guess.
On second thoughts, yeah, ban it. Fucking liars.
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You really do talk a right load of shit.
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Note the dates and the sales between them:
"April 28, 2008 - "SingStar brand have sold 12 million units across PAL territories, FIVE MILLION of which came in the 12-month period ended March 2008."
December 3, 2009 - "SingStar Sales Hit 20 Million"
5 million in PAL territories between March 2007 and March 2008. ~8 million worldwide (not an exact figure as the earlier figure didn't represent the worldwide sales) between March 2008 and December 2009. I think it's safe to say the figures represent the sales of recent entries of the franchise.