MotionPlus tech not exclusive to Nintendo Comments by Robert Purchese
Maker says there's "more interest out there".
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Now we wait for the imitators.
Oh, and for the first guy, no, the remote has 3 and the nunchuck has 3. Together, they become 6. The motion plus will make the remote a six-axis on its own, therefore with the nunchuck the total will come to 9. Maths FTW.
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"With six degrees of freedom you can basically make any movement at all..."
"Six degrees of freedom is the holy grail..." Well, I'll be damned, maybe Sony were right after all!!! EDIT: Does the MotionPlus add-on have a port for the nunchuck to connect? I haven't noticed any in the available pictures...
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Mustabuster
08/08/08 @ 11:01
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The 6 degrees of movement are directional movement in the x, y z planes and rotational movement in the x, y, z planes. This makes 6 altogether. You don't add the nunchuck to make 9 degrees of movement.
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seasidebaz
08/08/08 @ 11:02
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@razorus: No. Just no.
The wiimote and Sixaxis both have 6 axes. Up and down, forward and backward, left and right, pitch, roll, and yaw. 6 all round. edit: must learn to type faster...
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asphaltcowboy
08/08/08 @ 11:08
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baz, aren't the pitch, roll and yaw only when you're pointing at the screen?
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seasidebaz
08/08/08 @ 11:14
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@asphalt: no, otherwise I wouldn't be able to do spin in Wiisports bowling
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FireMonkey
08/08/08 @ 11:26
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The current system has no yaw (flat spin).
In bowling games and such, you put side spin on with a horizontal motion, not rotation (and or with some rotation whilst the WiiMote is held downwards, which is then picked up by roll) If you place the WiiMote flat on a table, and rotate it nothing is detected, unless the pointer is pointing at the sensor bar, and then you can pick up some positional position, but that obviously fails once you point away from the bar. The simple way I have explained what info it picks up, is to imagine a ball on string hanging from the bottom of the Wiimote. The difference in angle between the WiiMote and the string is the info you can receive (hence no yaw). The new things gives you that extra rotational info.
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mcwildcard
08/08/08 @ 11:36
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Goes to show, at the end of the day a good idea is a good idea, no matter who has it.
Sony: Motion sensing controllers eh? We'll have a bit of that! Nintendo: Six axis' eh? We'll have a bit of that! |
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Eighthours
08/08/08 @ 11:51
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Sounds golden, Virginia.
:) I can tell you've been thinking that one up all morning, Rob! |
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Muddtallica
08/08/08 @ 12:10
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JonFE: Yes, you can connect a Nunchuk through the MotionPlus. The jetski segment of Wii Sports Resort uses both.
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Mustabuster and seasidebaz; I'm correct, thank you very much.
The Wii remote on its own only has three axes of movement. The Nunchuck also has three. A game that uses both objects (let's take Red Steel for example) will therefore be using 6 axes of motion altogether. The motion plus adds another 3 to the REMOTE, making it 6-axis by itself. Plus nunchuck = 9. Hang on, let me make that clearer. The nunchuck and remote each have 3 yes? However, they are the same. So it's like having two of the same thing. The MotionPlus will make the remote have more. Also don't forget that the remote has a laser pointer, which when aimed at the screen, can allow you to "rotate".
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seasidebaz
08/08/08 @ 12:59
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@Razorus: No, you are still wrong, I will admit on further research that the IR bar takes the value up to pseudo-6 axis, but you don't add them together. 9 axes means you that you need to have a 7th axis, ie moving through time either forwards or backwards, an 8th axis, probably moving through microdimensions (something to do with string theory I think), and a 9th axis, which is probably something to do moving through the microdimensions within other microdimensions.
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gingerlink
08/08/08 @ 13:11
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more to the point of the article being the motion plus not being exclusive to nintnedo
the only thing that worries me about this is how Nintendo said they'd attempted to make the wiimote a peripheral for the gamecube, but found there was too much lag as it was not calibrated to the console. Surely, if this was the case, there will be a similar problem with new motion sensing controllers turning up on other consoles |
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haha, seasidebaz, I just realised both our mistakes. My wording was wrong, but I hope you can see what I meant.
It's physically impossible to have more than 6 axes of motion, yes, I get that. But what I'm saying is, remote+nunchuck+motion plus, each one has three axes. Yes, remote and nunchuck have the same and motionplus has 3 new directions, so it's still 6-axis, but there are nine accelerometers, or whatever they call them. |
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seasidebaz
08/08/08 @ 13:27
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but found there was too much lag as it was not calibrated to the console
Too much lag was actually due to the CPU being too slow. I read about this just before the Wii was launched, they apparently had a prototype somewhere but the sheer volume of data coming from the remote meant that the processor got bogged down trying to work out what was happening. @Razorus: I got what ya meant ;) |
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seasidebaz
08/08/08 @ 13:29
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Oh yeah, and it may not be exclusive but it might as well be, this "interest" will be coming from 3rd-party manufacturers. Microsoft keep saying that motion controllers are a gimmick, and Sony won't pay to license the tech, so I think it's pretty much Wii-centric for now.
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"Oh, and for the first guy, no, the remote has 3 and the nunchuck has 3. Together, they become 6. The motion plus will make the remote a six-axis on its own, therefore with the nunchuck the total will come to 9. Maths FTW."
No.. The wiimote has accelerometers (measures speed you're moving in a certain direction). The problem with this is it doesnt know the direction it's facing AT REST. Thus the reason why you can just do crappy quick shakes to do the same thing as a movement. The motionplus improves that by adding gyroscopes.. So it knows where it is at rest. Nothing is stopping sony/msoft using gyroscopes.. in fact the sixaxis already is... |
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It's too late for this generation; My guess is that MotionPlus functionality will be at best an additional menu option in Wii games and will only be available with box-in games if a third party licences the system for Xbox or PS3. Motion-sensing has to be ubiquitous on a platform (i.e. built-in at launch) for developers to take it seriously.
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ManicMarvin
08/08/08 @ 15:53
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*dons pedant hat*
The wiimote has accelerometers (measures speed you're moving in a certain direction). The accelerometers measure acceleration, not speed (hence the name). Which is why it's doubly difficult to get position out, especially without the orientation that the gyro will provide, because you have to integrate once to get speed, then again to get position. |
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IronCladChicken
09/08/08 @ 22:40
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@peterfll
I thought the same thing... then again Ninty did steal the balance board idea from some start up called Amiga from 1983... JoyBoard
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3william56
11/08/08 @ 07:59
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sends me back in time :D. I just stickytaped two sony controllers togther, and got 12 axes. In fact, pressing X and Square now
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