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Wii News by Robert Purchese
Developer High Voltage has attacked the mentality of developers making games for Wii, claiming most end products "don't even look as good as the latter day PS2 titles".
The comments came after High Voltage whipped the wrappers off its Wii project The Conduit - a first-person shooter boasting to be among the most technically advanced games on the console.
"We think it's a real shame that publishers and developers aren't taking advantage of the technical possibilities of the Wii platform. Most Wii games don't even look as good as the latter day PS2 titles and that's a real slap in the face to consumers," Kerry Ganofsky, boss of High Voltage, told IGN.
"We believe that third-party developers need to step up to the plate and deliver. The Wii platform is capable of a lot more than what consumers have seen so far. We're hoping to raise a new bar."
The Conduit is based around government conspiracies and is set in the aftermath of an alien attack on Washington. You, as Agent Ford, get drafted in to find out the truth, with plenty of brain-splatting to be done on the way.
High Voltage believes this kind of mature content is exactly what the Wii needs.
"There is this pervasive and cyclical argument that Wii consumers don't want mature titles, when there aren't those types of products available to them. And even more frustrating is the claim that Wii consumers only care about great gameplay," added Eric Nofsinger, creative boss on the game.
"Of course they care about gameplay, but we believe if given the choice, they would want great graphics as well. It's just a cop out. With Conduit, we are trying to make a Wii game that looks like a 360 title."
The Conduit will feature motion-sensing controls. They will be widely customisable in a similar fashion to Medal of Honor: Heroes 2 which, alongside Metroid Prime 3, happens to be a large source of inspiration for the game.
However, High Voltage is yet to attract a publisher for The Conduit, and no date has been set for release.
High Voltage was the developer behind the PSP version of 50 Cent: Bulletproof, and is enjoying chart success at the moment with Ben 10: Protector of Earth.
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Triggerhappytel
18/04/08 @ 13:16
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Unknown developer comes out bashing all Wii games saying how his will be so different... if we hadn't heard this sort of stuff before then it might be half way interesting. Good luck to 'em, but do they have to be so irritatingly bullish about it?!
"With Conduit, we are trying to make a Wii game that looks like a 360 title." I can tell you now, bud, you're gonna fail. |
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strange_powers
18/04/08 @ 13:22
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There such a variety in quality of Wii graphics... First party stuff like Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 look especially amazing for a non-HD consloe, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros and Wii Sports go for simple, elegant and effective designs. But the shovelware designed to lure unsuspecting rubes out of their £19.99s ("OOH NINJABREAD MAN! SOUNDS LIKE GINGERBREAD, SEE? DO WANT!") looks uniformly awful.
But wasn't it the same on the PS2, PS1, Mega Drive, Amiga, C64? |
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I think he's missing the whole point of the Wii. If you're going to make a good, attractive game for the Wii then you're wasting your time cos nobody's going to buy it. Ugly licensed and party games, cheap to make and big, big profits.
Yes, because Nintendos big franchises have struggled horribly and not had people buying them atall! Oh, wait....... |
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I don't know about "most" Wii games but I did watch an advert the other day for a Wii title (can't recall which one but must have been pretty big to be on TV) and I really thought at first it was an advert for some retro XBLA title or something. It looked like the games industry had taken a step back 10 years and I would agree that that particular title "looked like crap".
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"With Conduit, we are trying to make a Wii game that looks like a 360 title."
W... wh... what?!? They've managed to get Wii games to run in hi-def 720p then? ;) Seriously though, it's great news that Wii developers acknowledge that most of its games look substandard and are attempting to get something better than PS2/GC quality out of it. Good luck to them I say. |
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MrChuckles
18/04/08 @ 13:44
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'Most Wii games "look like crap", But ours won't, says High Voltage.'
Half of that statement is true. |
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"I think he's missing the whole point of the Wii. If you're going to make a good, attractive game for the Wii then you're wasting your time cos nobody's going to buy it. Ugly licensed and party games, cheap to make and big, big profits."
You honestly believe that people will NOT buy games BECAUSE they look good. That's really, really strange thinking. |
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Pac-man ate my wife
18/04/08 @ 13:53
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Art Style > Teh Graphix!! every time for me
Look at Okami for instance, it's still gorgeous to look at. |
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Two things. Play the original gamecube rogue leader through your Wii. The graphics are stunning, why the hell aren't more games like that? Off the top of my head that game is 6 years old. Play Burnout 3 on an XBox. The graphics are likewise awesome. I always understood the Wii to be as powerful as an Xbox, but these are two games that show how bad some of the graphics have been, even compared to first gen gamecube titles. It would be nice to see a game that really pushes the boat out. The first party efforts that are great are the exception, not the norm.
I have a Wii and have no specific problem with the graphics; I think this is the first generation that's proved that graphical leaps will no longer drive the industry. But some of the stuff is pretty laughable, I'd like to see titles that can really show the Wii off. |
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Triggerhappytel
18/04/08 @ 13:57
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Oh, for God's sake everyone, I don't think Zomoniac was entirely serious...
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daz_john_smith
18/04/08 @ 14:02
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Their tech demo, although nice, doesnt really look as impressive as Metroid Prime or some of the nicer bits of Mario Galaxy. It's also all well and good having nice graphics but innovative use of the WiiMote will be key too.
I'd also read that the Wii is supposed to be technically on a par with the original XBox, but the lack of HDD for quick texture and content streaming could be holding it back from replicating games like Doom 3 and Half Life 2. I agree that alot of Wii games look pretty damn awful, but I think with the right art style and quality gameplay it shouldn't really matter. |
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Godlikegenius
18/04/08 @ 14:12
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Graphics have always been an afterthought to me.
Assassin's Creed looks stunning, but isn't half as enjoyable as Galaxy or Metroid are. Good graphics make a good game even better, but they don't make a bad game good. And bad graphics don't make a good game bad in my opinion. |
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JetSetWilly
18/04/08 @ 14:15
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Had to laugh when my RSS feed popped up with:
News: Most Wii games "look like crap" (Wii) That ain't news! Comedy glod. |
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Most devs are putting their C teams on Wii. Few Wii games look as good as GC games last gen...which is crazy...you'd think they could at least re-use their decent old engines and boost the framerate/effects.
The fact that smaller independent devs are managing to make 40mb Wiiware games that look better than 90% of disc based retail games just shows the lack of effort that big publishers are making.
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kangarootoo
18/04/08 @ 14:35
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"Problem is, the shots of this game 'look like crap' too."
I thought that too when I sawe some of the screens, but the video does look a whole lot better and tbh it does look better than almost everything else on the platform. I would say though that a tech demo has at its heart the need to look as pretty as possible. The time and cost, not to mention the impracticability, of making a whole game look that way is something else though. I wonder how well their tech demo would run with a few animated character rigs jogging about the place? "Shit developers will always make shit games for the most successful console." Shit looking games are cheaper to make. That doesn't mean the games themselves are shit and it certainly doesn't mean the devs that make them are necessarily shit either. Its simply a matter of time and money. You spend less, you get less, regardless of how talented (or not) your team is. |
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Pac-man ate my wife
18/04/08 @ 14:36
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"The fact that smaller independent devs are managing to make 40mb Wiiware games that look better than 90% of disc based retail games just shows the lack of effort that big publishers are making."
Hopefully this fact alone will mean they'll have to raise their game. If you can get WiiWare titles downloaded directly for less money yet which look nicer and play better means good times ahead! |
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SlackMaster
18/04/08 @ 14:40
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That's because on the Wii apart from in-house developed games and the odd 3rd party title most games on the console are shovelware... If people keep buying it these games will keep getting made.
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Tetragammatron
18/04/08 @ 14:43
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"News: Most Wii games look like crap"
I wouldn't call it news per se. |
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BadBoyBonner
18/04/08 @ 14:53
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I feel sure that Factor 5 will display what an accomplished 3rd Party developer can come up with on the Wii.
EDIT - at least graphically.
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asphaltcowboy
18/04/08 @ 14:55
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You lot might mock, but their tech demo is actually pretty impressive...
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farticusmaximus
18/04/08 @ 15:05
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"Play Burnout 3 on an XBox. The graphics are likewise awesome"
Hmmm.. they were pretty smart at the time of release, but the game really does look like low-res lego now.. still, all is forgiven for it being the best arcade racer in history (WITH F-ING RESTARTS!) ;) Some of the 'Wii looks shit' phenomenon may be due to the proliference of HD TV's. Wii games will not, can not, look any more than 25% (warning! made up number) as good as a 360/PS3 game on a 720p+ resolution TV for a number of reasons, not purely resolution although that is a large factor. Low poly counts can be masked by clever/hires textures. Not so on the Wii as it doesnt have the video ram available to store the necessary textures, or the system ram/bandwidth to stream in textures. Also the Wii GPU, regardless of resolution, cannot throw anywhere close to the amount of lighting effects and particle effects around as the HD consoles, and doesnt have the CPU horsepower to make up for the GPU deficiency in that area. Still, I'd rather have a playable but ugly game than a good looking crap playing game.. which is why I play Burnout 3 and not Paradise, and why I'd rather play Wii Tennis than Uncharted.. |
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sadakos_fury
18/04/08 @ 15:13
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agreed.
my wii is hooked up to the same hdtv as my 360. even with component cables it still feels like you're peering into mudtown through a grimy window. doesn't mean i play resi 4 any less though. do you think this is the limit for wii graphics or will we see a ps2-style latter day renaissance? |
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farticusmaximus
18/04/08 @ 15:25
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"do you think this is the limit for wii graphics or will we see a ps2-style latter day renaissance?"
Resi 4 is a pretty smart looking game on the Wii, probably the current benchmark, and we're only a short way into it's lifecycle. I'd expect to see some improvement but probably not a huge amount. Nintendo games have never really 'swung that way' stylistically though and to be honest I dont think the Wii's appeal would suffer at all if games never got any better looking on it. It already has it's target audience captivated. |
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jamie_fear
18/04/08 @ 16:11
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"With Conduit, we are trying to make a Wii game that looks like a 360 title."
That's the most stupid thing I've heard all day and for obvious reasons too. Standard Definition does not equal High Definition. |
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"With Conduit, we are trying to make a Wii game that looks like a 360 title."
That's the most stupid thing I've heard all day and for obvious reasons too. Standard Definition does not equal High Definition. Your comment just about trumps it. It's pretty obvious that he's not talking about a technical impossibility like the 360's resolution. |
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Sweet. This is what I'm waiting for. Just push the Wii's graphics, and MAYBE you could make them look at least as good as early 360 games, such as Perfect Dark Zero or DOA4 (which weren't massive leap forwards in graphics, let's be honest).
Also, here's the IGN link to some screenshots and the tech demo. IMO, the screenshots look a bit mreh, could use some resolution and texture, but the tech demo is quite impressive. http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/867/86749...
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It was Ooooh so promising until i read:
High Voltage was the developer behind the PSP version of 50 Cent: Bulletproof "I don't understand how so many wii games look cak compared to how I felt about GC games" It's because no-one seems to be willing to put the money towards making them - thinking/hoping it'll be a passing fad. "Just push the Wii's graphics, and I guarantee you could make them look at least as good as early 360 games" Why wait? Mario galaxy/metroid 3 already do just that. |
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Slipstream
18/04/08 @ 20:17
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Haha, a bold statement, but a true one nonetheless!
This, of course, doesn't apply to all developers, but I'm sure alot of us have come to realise the publishers/developers taking advantge of the Wii's mainstream appeal, Ubi, EA, Popcorn Arcade... By making games that seem/sound appealing, they know there are people out there who will make the purchase despite graphics. Yeah of course graphics don't make a game blah blah, but I do enjoy visually appealing games, especially if the gameplay is just as novel. The Wii is in need of something that can make it appeal to the more ("Nah the Wii is shit mate, the graphics are awful") type of players, because people like this do exisit I'm afraid. =P |
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