Microsoft hosts PC gaming event News

Fevil May Cry?

Awesome.

Also, I cannot believe 1 million people actually pay for Hellgate each month.

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@ Eraysor

I thought that to, apparently Fevil may cry is about a swedish model with the hump.....

http://www.nocturnalmodels.com/Modellbes...

SO which one of the exciting new games isnt on a console? I love my PC, but the state of commercial games is depressing. Good job there's lots of indie/russian games to keep things interesting.

^ I agree, an even more annoyingly, the odd console game I want for my PC (Battlefield Bad Company) isn't coming out, grrrrr. Finding it hard to justify spending the money to upgrade these days.

Lol, Ellie is drunk. Bit early, isn't it?

No Roccoco McSpuffers game?

Wow, that's it. Showing off some PC games. Where is your Steam equivalent ? They really need to get their arse in gear.

I predict that PC gaming will have a resurgence after this generation of consoles as MS and Sony ditch the high end expensive games market to go for family friendly games ala Nintendo. Mark my words. MARK THEM....

Hey guys! PC gaming isn't dead! Just look at these games that are also out on the consoles!

You might be on the money there. Don't know about the rest but I most certainly will move back to the pc again if there is no highend console that focusses on the hardcore.

The thing about these "LOL YOU CAN GET THAT ON A CONSOLE TOO LOL" arguments is that they work exactly the same the other way around. Why the hell would I want to buy a 360 when I get (often, though not always) superior versions on the PC I already own?

The 360 has about 7 or 8 games i'm interested in that are exclusive to that console, but that's it. So don't go around shouting pc gaming is dead just because it has a lot of cross-platform games..

^^ Because I do not want to spend the price of a 360 every 6 months to keep upgrading my fecking PC.

Because I want a game that has been developed for 1 chipset - minimizing crashes, lock-ups etc.

Because I want an online service that already has all my friends on it and makes it easy for me to hook up with them.

Because I don't want to shut down everything that's running on my PC just to play a game.

Etc etc.

Okay, good job you don't need to unless you're smacking the side of your pc with a crowbar then?

Seriously, where the hell does this "every 6 months" myth come from? Also, what the hell are you buying that costs the same as a 360?

If you spend 600 quid on a PC brand new right now you won't need to upgrade it for at least 2 years. Grr.

A 360 is about £150 now?

I easily spent more than about every 6 months just trying to keep up.

Lol, well if you insist on having an absolute top of the range ultimate uber PC then that's hardly the fault of PC gaming. I have a 8800 2gb dual core etc generic mid-range to high-end computer, would cost about 550-600 quid if bought now, and this plays everything that is out now great on high settings (with the exception of crysis, which needs medium-high settings) and will play everything that comes out this year great on high settings too. I haven't spent a penny on it in almost a year (and, by the way, I haven't spent 40 quid a year for the privilege of playing online, nor have I spent 30-40 quid RRP on every game I've bought, which is at least 3 or 4 a month usually).

I'm not trying to argue console gaming isn't cheaper, i'm just saying pc gaming isn't ANYWHERE NEAR as expensive as people love to say it is on these threads.

The most i'm thinking of splashing out on in the next 12 months is 2gb extra ram for about 40 quid.

Why? You patently don't need to

(This is to symmetry, btw)

@ symmetry
> A 360 is about £150 now?
> I easily spent more than about every 6 months just trying to keep up.

Then you're an idiot

P.s. in response to "it costs about 150 quid now":

I know! But 8800 GTs, Core2Duos and RAM all cost less than 100 quid. And if you're trying to say you would possibly EVER need to upgrade more than one component at a time within the space of a year then you're mental! MENTAL I SAY!

I admit that PC requirements have got a bit saner these days, and I haven't been a proper PC gamer for about 2 years, but I'm not lying about how much I used to spend, and I didn't have an uber PC either.

At the time it just seemed that every AAA title that came out required more memory, or faster CPU, or better graphics card.

Also, monitors were a big money sink if you wanted a good gaming one, these days they're ten a penny.

Ok, but us pc types must at least concede that the pc costs, say £6-900 over 5 years, whereas a console costs about £300 (lets assume you're a bit hardcore and buy at launch). And frankly, most of the PC ports are just higher resolution, which is ok, but if you want to play on a 32" screen, you're unlikely to run them at higher resolution anyway (unless you have a ridiculously expensive monitor, and I'm not counting those guys ;-). So the PC benefits are minimal.
And I get fed up with the contant cycle of patching, maintaining and generally looking after my PC. And frankly, if the best 'exclusive' they can give us is Crysis, I don't feel like I'm missing much by turning to the console 'dark side'. It just easier. And as I get older, I get lazier i guess. I still love the random stuff that the PC throws up that we don't see on consoles, things like stalker, peggle (although there's no real reason why either of those couldn't be on a console), but it does get increasingly hard to defend PC gaming as a sensible, rational choice. It's not, and thats why PC owners can get so touchy ;-).

I think that as more and more mainstream devs and pubs go to console heavy development the PC will have a resurgence as smaller devs spot a chance to make money in a market the big boys have left in favour of selling javascript games to your mum on £400 consoles.
I also like the fact i'm going home tonight to start messing about making my own game again with a minimum of fuss.

I like consoles but PCs are more flexible.

I do PC gaming, me: World of warcraft, and watching high quality porn.

I won't fork out for the latest video card, or have to ditch my RAM cos there arent enough slots to just add another stick. I wont spend days fucking about with drivers to get a game working. I wont have my PC as a primary gaming platform, ever.

Consoles rule. They are quick and easy to use. They dont need constant cuddling and reassurance that they are as not as old as they look, they dont need weekly maintenance (viruses, drivers, patches).

I just want to put a game disc in my gaming machine and play it. But best of all, I can invite friends round and we can all play together on the same machine! Imagine that, being in the company of good friends rather than being an angry lonely internet voice!

When I was a student and didn't have any money I used to have a grudge against PC gaming. Now that I have a job I've seen the light. If it's multi-platform I get it on PC.

I made a screw up though, got a lot of quotes from places when I bought my PC and at the place I bought it didn't specify I wanted a 512 8800gt and ended up with a 256mb.

I almost cried.

Consoles rule. They are quick and easy to use. They dont need constant cuddling and reassurance that they are as not as old as they look, they dont need weekly maintenance (viruses, drivers, patches).

I just want to put a game disc in my gaming machine and play it. But best of all, I can invite friends round and we can all play together on the same machine! Imagine that, being in the company of good friends rather than being an angry lonely internet voice!


On the other hand, their cheapness is a scam because games are much more expensive and you pay off your subsidised hardware with every game you buy, you pay through the nose for peripherals, the controls are limited, they're locked down systems where the platform holder has the final say, and a lot of the high profile stuff has been focus-group tested to death. Not to mention loading times, framerate problems, and vsync issues.

And I don't spend time with my friends sitting in front of the TV. So there. :-)

"I just want to put a game disc in my gaming machine and play it. But best of all, I can invite friends round and we can all play together on the same machine! Imagine that, being in the company of good friends rather than being an angry lonely internet voice!"

Ironically when I want to play a game I put the disc in and then play it! It's MENTAL. With mass effect, I don't even put a disc in, I just click an icoN! FUCK!

Also, considering the threads on the forums about "xbox live twats", it seems that it is the console types who are most affected by "angry internet voice".

Ironically when I want to play a game I put the disc in and then play it! It's MENTAL. With mass effect, I don't even put a disc in, I just click an icoN! FUCK!

Hehe, yes, nothing shows me more clearly that I live in a different universe than console-only gamers then when I read a lack of installation on a hdd as something positive. It's like people saying they prefer mules to cars to get around quickly because they don't need to search for the keys. :)

"Ironically when I want to play a game I put the disc in and then play it! It's MENTAL. With mass effect, I don't even put a disc in, I just click an icoN! FUCK!"

That's after you have checked you have the required minimum specs, double checked that the required specs are actually what you need to play at more than 2FPS, checked the game works with your video card, checked it works with your revision of the drivers, updated the drivers if necessary, and then actually installed the game. After that, yes it's pretty straightforward. Oh hold on, no it isnt. You need to check your input peripherals are supported, fuck about for a good long while getting the right balance between framerate and detail, choosing the resolution you should run at... *yawn*...

Gosh, that's just the same thing as buying a game knowing for 100% certain it will work on your console, and putting it in the drive and playing it within seconds. EXACTLY the same.

/sigh

The retardness of what seems like 80% of EG readers is unbelievable.

Either way, both consoles and PC's have their place. Pick whichever suits your needs best. Is it really that hard?

Some of the urban myths surrounding PC gaming are both amusing and depressing at the same time. Don't you just love ignorance...

/hasn't upgraded PC in bout 20months now still plays the latest games, cant remember the last time it crashed, doesn't have to disable much, although the fact that you do is down to MS and the stuff they leave running which is next to pointless for your average home user.

"fuck about for a good long while getting the right balance between framerate and detail

That's a good thing IMO. sick of playing consoles games with shoddy framerates cause devs refuse to cut back on the eye candy a little. Unacceptable that very very few games have achieve a stable 60fps, Christ, most still run at 30.

To be fair, the best console games hide their disc-based roots very well (eg somthing like GTA4). And you can't say that PCs didn't originate the 1 minute long loading screens (they are better now, but you need the upgrades to make them quick). But yeah, I've never had a problem with installations. Although of course, that does lead you towards the (relatively) expensive hard drive upgrades (less so for PS3, but still there...)

OK, you're making a lot of sense and I concede the point about peripheral costs and locked-in hardware, however, without consoles there would be no Rock Band. :)

That's after you have checked you have the required minimum specs, double checked that the required specs are actually what you need to play at more than 2FPS, checked the game works with your video card, checked it works with your revision of the drivers, updated the drivers if necessary, and then actually installed the game. After that, yes it's pretty straightforward. Oh hold on, no it isnt. You need to check your input peripherals are supported, fuck about for a good long while getting the right balance between framerate and detail, choosing the resolution you should run at... *yawn*...


:D

Spot the guy who has never ever owned a PC game in his life.

Lollercaust. Yeah, that's definitely what I did to play Mass Effect. I certainly didn't just buy it, put it in the drive, click install, wait 5 minutes, then play it. That didn't happen. I thought it did, but it clearly didn't. Maybe it was a dream?

Cost is an issue with PC gaming, but for me two main thing drew me away from PC more than the cost.

To be honest games I want seems to come to consoles now or PC and console. It wasn't always the case I remember longing for games like Tie Fighter/X-wing, Jedi Knight, Avp 1+2. Also PC always had the best versions of many games like Mafia (only version to own), Quake, Doom, HL etc. From this gen you can get the same version if not better from a cheaper console. OF course the FPS now has a new home on consoles which used to be PC ground which affected it as well.

Also for me online PC gaming was never really fun. For me, from my own experience, it seemed PC gamers took things a little to seriously. I remember being told off and booted from SW Battlefront games for flying x-wings without choosing pilot class - oh no!!! Sure we have the idiots on live but that's only a minority and in general people are nice and more importantly play for fun and don't take it seriously (well unless it's a American teen playing H3!)

@Katsumoto - actually what you did was wait 6 months, put it in the drive, click install, wait 5 minutes, then play it. :)

Touche (don't know how to do accents on this stupid mac keyboard)!

Of course, you lot are still waiting for Stalker ;)

Oke, this clusterfuck needs to be nuked from orbit. If you don't like PC gaming, why did you enter a thread about pc gaming just to say that pc gaming is lame? Are you really THAT insecure?

I'd just like to say I hate everyone here. Except FooAtari, you seem relatively normal. Everyone else have some biscuits and calm the fup down.

@Katsumoto

So you are every single PC gamer on the planet are you? You are willing represent EVERYONE that games on a PC?

No need to answer because I can tell you with 100% certainty that you do not represent every other PC gamer. You have a different hardware and driver setup from every other PC gamer.

That's the problem. Just because you have had an easy ride, doesnt mean millions havent had a bastard of a time getting a PC rig working.

Every console owner has the same experience when booting a game, unless their console is bust. It's consistent.

Try to think outside your own limited frame of reference. If PC gaming was as easy as you profess, then it would be more popular. It isnt, so it isnt.

I've done my fair share of PC gaming but gave it up because it's an awkward shit of a platform. Now I have WoW on my PC, and my lovely, juicy, precious porn and a blissfully trouble-free console setup.

I'm pretty sure I don't know a single pc gamer (and I know many) who goes through that list you just presented before playing a game. Also, console gaming is -currently- more popular, and even then only in the UK and US. Are you saying PC gaming only become a hassle in the last few years, and if not then why were PC games selling equally well or better than PS1 games in the late 90s? PCs were much MORE hassle back then, if anything.

Also, why is pc gaming more popular in, say, Germany, than console gaming? Is it because all Germans are tech-wizards? Maybe!

edit: In any event, even if I'm completely wrong, why do you people feel the need to come into every PC related thread and spew this sort of thing? I don't go into every 360 thread and moan about how mine broke within a week ;)

Given the general IT literacy levels in the UK that i have to deal with on a daily basis i half expect Tibet or Nepal to have higher IT technical skills in it's citizens than here. So no wonder the UK is the console island in Europe's PC centric market.

PC gaming is great. It certainly isn't as difficult as its reputation would have some people believe. Driver upgrading is required once in a blue moon and for the vast, vast majority of new PC games all you need to do is put the disk in the drive, click install, have a cup of tea whilst it does its thing and then before you know it you're off and playing. Not that different from having a PS3 from what I hear. A lot of the tweaking people do in PC gaming circles is done by choice, not out of necessity - some people actually like tinkering, you know?

And am I alone in thinking that the PC has one of the more exciting gaming line-ups for the next few months? Crysis: Warhead; STALKER: Clear Sky and Far Cry 2 (you just know the PC version will be the one to get) are all looking very nice indeed. About the only game on the horizon that I really feel I'll be missing out on due to owning a PC and not a 360/PS3 is Resident Evil 5.

I spent £830 on a new Vista PC (Q6600, 2x8800GT in SLI, 3GB RAM) back in March and I'm pretty sure I won't need to upgrade it for a good few years. It plays Crysis very well on "Very High" settings at 1280x1024 and everything else I just put up to the maximum settings available and it just works. Yes that £830 would have bought me two consoles, but I can also use it for internet, work, email, photos, media centre stuff - not all of which is available or as convenient on a console.

Maybe I'm lucky to be able to afford £830 in one go, but I've no regrets and I fully expect to stay PC gaming well into the future.

Noone says console gaming isn't a tad easier to set up. But the woes of PC gaming are over-dramatised and exaggerated like not much else on gaming forums. As aptly demonstrated by your posts on this very page.

In any event, even if I'm completely wrong, why do you people feel the need to come into every PC related thread and spew this sort of thing? I don't go into every 360 thread and moan about how mine broke within a week ;)

All I was doing when we sparked this whole thing off was responding to a question - Why the hell would I want to buy a 360 when I get (often, though not always) superior versions on the PC I already own?

I'm desperate to upgrade my PC and have been for a few months as mine's about 4 years old now and starting to creak but i can't as i have to save for a new deposit on a flat and there's a whole slew of PC games on the horizon that i have my beady eyes on.
I've needed a new rig since Silent Hunter 4 made my machine cry and i can't see that going to consoles anytime soon so i'm staying a PC gamer who happens to have a lot of consoles too.

/ wants to be home playing God Hand

Try to think outside your own limited frame of reference. If PC gaming was as easy as you profess, then it would be more popular. It isnt, so it isnt.

I'm pretty sure that the pc gaming market dwarfs or at least rivals the console market in Europe and worldwide. There was a list of European sales a while back and the fact that consoles are only available in a tiny selection of countries...
All we hear is console manufacturers who boast about their (questionable) sales and one central counter for the Americans.

PC games sell a lot less because there is a far greater lineup to compete with than the tiny selection consoles put forth every year. The PC games market is one of the busiest and most competitive markets out there. No big console manufacturer to spend millions on marketing for you or give you time slots so there is no competition.

I'll add this thread to the many others like it to memory for the next time console owners are bitching and whining that the PC crowd are getting some crappy DLC for free. "Waaaaah! Waaaaaah! I had to pay! I knowingly bought into a totally closed and locked system and now I'm whinging about it!"; or the next time someone complains that their console up and died on them, and they can't just buy a more reliable part :)

Seriously though, what does it matter to you what games people play on what machines? So farticusmaximus (...), you didn't have a great time when you played on PCs. So you got a console. Good for you. Why are you here telling PC gamers they must be idiots for enjoying their PCs? Why are you (badly) explaining everything that is wrong and bad about PCs, to people who have no idea what you're talking about?

This gaming machine tribalism is the weirdest shit, but since I haven't bought a console since the N64/Dreamcast, it hasn't affected me. Until it becomes clear that, strange people that they are, console gamers seem to declare a truce amongst themselves so they can all point the finger at PC gamers. Aces. I guess it's kind of sweet that the only thing you can agree on is your bizarre resentment towards PCs. "Those people are enjoying their PCs. Outrageous! Unglaublich! They must be mentally destitute, socially maladjusted and possibly sexually perverted! Needs must I go and explain to them that they're wrong."

On to the actual topic at hand: Heh, that game lineup looks shit; with the exception of Ghostbusters and possible Mafia 2. You're not going to "save" PC gaming with crap like that, MS.

Ah, screw this.

Yes, you're right. PC gaming is dead. We are all losers and [insert favourite insult here]. You are great, your [insert favourite console here] is the best thing since [insert previous generation of favourite console here] and easily beats the [insert most hated console here].

Happy now?

@ Symmetry - sorry, that comment wasn't aimed at you, and now you've pointed it out I am aware of being vaguely hypocritical on that point. But if you look at other similar threads you will see this happens a lot :)

@Katsumoto

"I'm pretty sure I don't know a single pc gamer (and I know many) who goes through that list you just presented before playing a game."

I'll admit that if you know your stuff really well and have a certain degree of skill/luck in picking compatable/well supported PC components then sure, PC gaming can be relatively hassle-free. Also granted, funds allowing, the results will be superior to a console as there is usually more power available in a PC in the same time frame.

I guess being a programmer, and constantly being called on by friends and family to fix drivers, do updates, restore deleted files and stuff has jaded my view of PC's. The average person can fuck a PC right in the ass in minutes, to the degree it needs a reformat and OS reinstall. Dont say it doesnt happen because it does, and I have to fix it, more often than I'd like.

I also spent the best part of a year punching my PC on a daily basis (no joke, I've got a dented to fuggery PC case) because the lovely new x1600pro I bought wouldnt work with half the games I had. The manufacurer (Sapphire) knew of the problems, just chose not to update the drivers as new cards were more important than customer support.


"edit: In any event, even if I'm completely wrong, why do you people feel the need to come into every PC related thread and spew this sort of thing?"

Same reason as posting on any thread I guess. A mixture of being bored, overreacting to anti-my-preferred-platform comments, and having a bit too much opinion to keep in one's gob. ;)

Apologies for coming on strong and getting a bit 'high and mighty' with y'all. Modern consoles owe everything to the PC gaming legacy, so of course PC's can't be dismissed.

I just wish PC's didnt hate my guts so much. I've only ever had grief from them, so I turn my back on them and say 'you aint no son of mine.'... apart from when I want a bit of sausagehand. Then the PC and it's browser is my best friend in all the world. For a few minutes. ;)